Italy & Air Conditioning.
Aug 16th 2003, 6:07 am
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Re: Italy & Air Conditioning.
Barbara Vaughan wrote:
>
> I think the article explains it very well: Italians believe that air
> conditioning can cause colds or stiff necks or other joint problems.
> Also many people believe that brusque changes of temperature are
> especially harmful, such as when you leave an air-conditioned store to
> go out on the hot street.
They're probably right! (Certainly most opera singers - even those born
in America - prefer to avoid air-conditioning when they can.)
>
> Besides, the need hasn't been as great in the past. Where I live, most
> summers are much more bearable than New Jersey, where I used to live.
> (And I didn't have air conditioning there, either.)
When I was growing up in our hot, humid midwestern summers, scarcely
anyone did! Often people would go to movies on hot summer evenings more
for the "refrigerated" air-conditioning than for whatever film was being
shown. (We complained a bit about the heat, but with the aid of fans
and wide-open windows, we survived - you don't miss what you've never
had.)
>
> I think the article explains it very well: Italians believe that air
> conditioning can cause colds or stiff necks or other joint problems.
> Also many people believe that brusque changes of temperature are
> especially harmful, such as when you leave an air-conditioned store to
> go out on the hot street.
They're probably right! (Certainly most opera singers - even those born
in America - prefer to avoid air-conditioning when they can.)
>
> Besides, the need hasn't been as great in the past. Where I live, most
> summers are much more bearable than New Jersey, where I used to live.
> (And I didn't have air conditioning there, either.)
When I was growing up in our hot, humid midwestern summers, scarcely
anyone did! Often people would go to movies on hot summer evenings more
for the "refrigerated" air-conditioning than for whatever film was being
shown. (We complained a bit about the heat, but with the aid of fans
and wide-open windows, we survived - you don't miss what you've never
had.)
Aug 16th 2003, 6:09 am
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>Question for Italians or anyone who has lived in Italy. What exactly
>is it that Italians are fearful of about air-conditioning? Is it an
>ailment, disease, rash? I worked as an air-conditioning technician in
>the US for several years and never came across this.
I lived in Italy for several years, in Naples. We had no AC, and managed to
live well. It did get very hot, but --so what... it is hot here too ( N M) one
reason that I noticed there was not a lot of AC, was, that it is was expensive,
also we were a certain amt of electricity in our home, we could run the
Reefer, and freezer , but not a lot of other things at once...
Rosie
>is it that Italians are fearful of about air-conditioning? Is it an
>ailment, disease, rash? I worked as an air-conditioning technician in
>the US for several years and never came across this.
I lived in Italy for several years, in Naples. We had no AC, and managed to
live well. It did get very hot, but --so what... it is hot here too ( N M) one
reason that I noticed there was not a lot of AC, was, that it is was expensive,
also we were a certain amt of electricity in our home, we could run the
Reefer, and freezer , but not a lot of other things at once...
Rosie
Aug 16th 2003, 10:09 am
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Re: Italy & Air Conditioning.
"Barbara Vaughan" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> "[email protected]" wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Question for Italians or anyone who has lived in Italy. What exactly
> > is it that Italians are fearful of about air-conditioning? Is it an
> > ailment, disease, rash? I worked as an air-conditioning technician in
> > the US for several years and never came across this.
> >
> > Reference the article link below.
> > http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/eu...y.heatwave.ap/
> I think the article explains it very well: Italians believe that air
> conditioning can cause colds or stiff necks or other joint problems.
I live in northern Italy, and I've never understood my fellow countrymen's
attitude
against air conditioning: as if spending sleepless nights in hot apartments
or baking in cars under the sun were healthy... I have air conditioning
installed at home and I've always used it for two months and a half every
summer. I couldn't sleep without. This year was one of the worst, since I
had to turn it on at the beginning of May, but the past summers were by no
means cool.
Regards,
Goerz
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> "[email protected]" wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Question for Italians or anyone who has lived in Italy. What exactly
> > is it that Italians are fearful of about air-conditioning? Is it an
> > ailment, disease, rash? I worked as an air-conditioning technician in
> > the US for several years and never came across this.
> >
> > Reference the article link below.
> > http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/eu...y.heatwave.ap/
> I think the article explains it very well: Italians believe that air
> conditioning can cause colds or stiff necks or other joint problems.
I live in northern Italy, and I've never understood my fellow countrymen's
attitude
against air conditioning: as if spending sleepless nights in hot apartments
or baking in cars under the sun were healthy... I have air conditioning
installed at home and I've always used it for two months and a half every
summer. I couldn't sleep without. This year was one of the worst, since I
had to turn it on at the beginning of May, but the past summers were by no
means cool.
Regards,
Goerz
Aug 16th 2003, 2:28 pm
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Re: Italy & Air Conditioning.
In article <bgn%[email protected]>,
"Judith Umbria" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Spoken like one from a place where the rivers don't go almost dry in the
> summer. Italy uses fossil fuels for most electricity.
Thanks for the answer. The west and southwest states here have their
share of lack of water some years. (most years). Waiting for a friend to
return and see if the Rhine River cruise they were going on actually
went. News here in states says some cruises have been cancelled because
of the water levels on many rivers. Hope things improve soon for all of
you. I personally can't stand the really hot weather because of health
reasons.
--
Nancy Kay
"Patience is a Virtue"
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"Judith Umbria" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Spoken like one from a place where the rivers don't go almost dry in the
> summer. Italy uses fossil fuels for most electricity.
Thanks for the answer. The west and southwest states here have their
share of lack of water some years. (most years). Waiting for a friend to
return and see if the Rhine River cruise they were going on actually
went. News here in states says some cruises have been cancelled because
of the water levels on many rivers. Hope things improve soon for all of
you. I personally can't stand the really hot weather because of health
reasons.
--
Nancy Kay
"Patience is a Virtue"
remove no in e-mail address
Aug 16th 2003, 2:44 pm
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Goerz wrote:
> "Barbara Vaughan" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > "[email protected]" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Question for Italians or anyone who has lived in Italy. What exactly
> > > is it that Italians are fearful of about air-conditioning? Is it an
> > > ailment, disease, rash? I worked as an air-conditioning technician in
> > > the US for several years and never came across this.
> > >
> > > Reference the article link below.
> > > http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/eu...y.heatwave.ap/
> >
> > I think the article explains it very well: Italians believe that air
> > conditioning can cause colds or stiff necks or other joint problems.
> I live in northern Italy, and I've never understood my fellow countrymen's
> attitude
> against air conditioning:
Ignorance and superstition. Until relatively recently many Italians even
regarded refrigerators as evil devices.....
as if spending sleepless nights in hot apartments
> or baking in cars under the sun were healthy... I have air conditioning
> installed at home and I've always used it for two months and a half every
> summer. I couldn't sleep without. This year was one of the worst, since I
> had to turn it on at the beginning of May, but the past summers were by no
> means cool.
Don't forget that air conditioning also helps filter out dirt, pollen,
insects (no window screens in Italy!), noise, etc.
--
Best
Greg
> "Barbara Vaughan" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > "[email protected]" wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Question for Italians or anyone who has lived in Italy. What exactly
> > > is it that Italians are fearful of about air-conditioning? Is it an
> > > ailment, disease, rash? I worked as an air-conditioning technician in
> > > the US for several years and never came across this.
> > >
> > > Reference the article link below.
> > > http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/eu...y.heatwave.ap/
> >
> > I think the article explains it very well: Italians believe that air
> > conditioning can cause colds or stiff necks or other joint problems.
> I live in northern Italy, and I've never understood my fellow countrymen's
> attitude
> against air conditioning:
Ignorance and superstition. Until relatively recently many Italians even
regarded refrigerators as evil devices.....
as if spending sleepless nights in hot apartments
> or baking in cars under the sun were healthy... I have air conditioning
> installed at home and I've always used it for two months and a half every
> summer. I couldn't sleep without. This year was one of the worst, since I
> had to turn it on at the beginning of May, but the past summers were by no
> means cool.
Don't forget that air conditioning also helps filter out dirt, pollen,
insects (no window screens in Italy!), noise, etc.
--
Best
Greg
Aug 16th 2003, 8:42 pm
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Re: Italy & Air Conditioning.
In article <BYx%[email protected]>, Goerz
<[email protected]> writes
>I live in northern Italy, and I've never understood my fellow countrymen's
>attitude
>against air conditioning:
But are you Italian?
Have you always lived there?
These things make a difference.
--
Marie Lewis
<[email protected]> writes
>I live in northern Italy, and I've never understood my fellow countrymen's
>attitude
>against air conditioning:
But are you Italian?
Have you always lived there?
These things make a difference.
--
Marie Lewis
Aug 16th 2003, 9:33 pm
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as if spending sleepless nights in hot apartments
> or baking in cars under the sun were healthy... I have air conditioning
> installed at home and I've always used it for two months and a half every
> summer. I couldn't sleep without. This year was one of the worst, since I
> had to turn it on at the beginning of May, but the past summers were by no
> means cool.
*Don't forget that air conditioning also helps filter out dirt,
pollen,
*insects (no window screens in Italy!), noise, etc.
And of course it's so much better to install massive energy consuming
and costly air conditioning units than window screens.
They're not even very efficient at filtering pollen and dirt. My
asthma and allergies are much worse in air conditioned places. I get
stuffed up, wake up with a scratchy aching throat.... very healthy.
Noise, I'll give you that. The only time I wish I had a/c is when the
music is blaring on the street...
> or baking in cars under the sun were healthy... I have air conditioning
> installed at home and I've always used it for two months and a half every
> summer. I couldn't sleep without. This year was one of the worst, since I
> had to turn it on at the beginning of May, but the past summers were by no
> means cool.
*Don't forget that air conditioning also helps filter out dirt,
pollen,
*insects (no window screens in Italy!), noise, etc.
And of course it's so much better to install massive energy consuming
and costly air conditioning units than window screens.
They're not even very efficient at filtering pollen and dirt. My
asthma and allergies are much worse in air conditioned places. I get
stuffed up, wake up with a scratchy aching throat.... very healthy.
Noise, I'll give you that. The only time I wish I had a/c is when the
music is blaring on the street...
Aug 16th 2003, 10:02 pm
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Gregory Morrow wrote:
> Don't forget that air conditioning also helps filter out dirt, pollen,
> insects (no window screens in Italy!), noise, etc.
... and are perfect breeding places for mold. Also for some bacteria.
Have you ever heard of Legionnaire's Disease?
Barbara
> Don't forget that air conditioning also helps filter out dirt, pollen,
> insects (no window screens in Italy!), noise, etc.
... and are perfect breeding places for mold. Also for some bacteria.
Have you ever heard of Legionnaire's Disease?
Barbara
Aug 16th 2003, 10:07 pm
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Judith Umbria wrote:
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Question for Italians or anyone who has lived in Italy. What exactly
> > is it that Italians are fearful of about air-conditioning? Is it an
> > ailment, disease, rash? I worked as an air-conditioning technician in
> > the US for several years and never came across this.
>
> Neither. Resources are treated as finite and precious. You don't leave
> things on that you aren't using, you try to make homes that can be kept
> livable without excess fuel use.
While you and I may feel that way, I don't think the average Italian is
much of an environmentalist. There are a lot of Italians (mostly
elderly, however) who conserve electricity, but this is a reflex economy
that dates from the days when electicity was relatively expensive. The
young around here seem to think wasting resources proves your social
status. They leave their car engines running while they are in the bar,
they wouldn't be caught dead in a city bus, they won't walk anywhere if
they can drive there, and when they arrive they won't park more than
twenty paces from their destination, even if it means parking on a curve
with the hazard lights flashing.
Barbara
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Question for Italians or anyone who has lived in Italy. What exactly
> > is it that Italians are fearful of about air-conditioning? Is it an
> > ailment, disease, rash? I worked as an air-conditioning technician in
> > the US for several years and never came across this.
>
> Neither. Resources are treated as finite and precious. You don't leave
> things on that you aren't using, you try to make homes that can be kept
> livable without excess fuel use.
While you and I may feel that way, I don't think the average Italian is
much of an environmentalist. There are a lot of Italians (mostly
elderly, however) who conserve electricity, but this is a reflex economy
that dates from the days when electicity was relatively expensive. The
young around here seem to think wasting resources proves your social
status. They leave their car engines running while they are in the bar,
they wouldn't be caught dead in a city bus, they won't walk anywhere if
they can drive there, and when they arrive they won't park more than
twenty paces from their destination, even if it means parking on a curve
with the hazard lights flashing.
Barbara
Aug 17th 2003, 12:45 am
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"Barbara Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> While you and I may feel that way, I don't think the average Italian is
> much of an environmentalist. There are a lot of Italians (mostly
> elderly, however) who conserve electricity, but this is a reflex economy
> that dates from the days when electicity was relatively expensive. The
> young around here seem to think wasting resources proves your social
> status. They leave their car engines running while they are in the bar,
> they wouldn't be caught dead in a city bus, they won't walk anywhere if
> they can drive there, and when they arrive they won't park more than
> twenty paces from their destination, even if it means parking on a curve
> with the hazard lights flashing.
> Barbara
Whew! Around here when I leave my outside light on if I am coming in late I
get a lecture. I got caught working outside in the garden with the TV
morning show on inside and got another lecture.
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> While you and I may feel that way, I don't think the average Italian is
> much of an environmentalist. There are a lot of Italians (mostly
> elderly, however) who conserve electricity, but this is a reflex economy
> that dates from the days when electicity was relatively expensive. The
> young around here seem to think wasting resources proves your social
> status. They leave their car engines running while they are in the bar,
> they wouldn't be caught dead in a city bus, they won't walk anywhere if
> they can drive there, and when they arrive they won't park more than
> twenty paces from their destination, even if it means parking on a curve
> with the hazard lights flashing.
> Barbara
Whew! Around here when I leave my outside light on if I am coming in late I
get a lecture. I got caught working outside in the garden with the TV
morning show on inside and got another lecture.
Aug 17th 2003, 9:37 am
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"Marie Lewis" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> In article <BYx%[email protected]>, Goerz
> <[email protected]> writes
> >I live in northern Italy, and I've never understood my fellow
countrymen's
> >attitude
> >against air conditioning:
> But are you Italian?
> Have you always lived there?
Yes and yes.
Regards,
Goerz
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> In article <BYx%[email protected]>, Goerz
> <[email protected]> writes
> >I live in northern Italy, and I've never understood my fellow
countrymen's
> >attitude
> >against air conditioning:
> But are you Italian?
> Have you always lived there?
Yes and yes.
Regards,
Goerz
Aug 17th 2003, 8:05 pm
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Following up to Barbara Vaughan
>While you and I may feel that way, I don't think the average Italian is
>much of an environmentalist. There are a lot of Italians (mostly
>elderly, however) who conserve electricity, but this is a reflex economy
>that dates from the days when electicity was relatively expensive. The
>young around here seem to think wasting resources proves your social
>status. They leave their car engines running while they are in the bar,
>they wouldn't be caught dead in a city bus, they won't walk anywhere if
>they can drive there, and when they arrive they won't park more than
>twenty paces from their destination, even if it means parking on a curve
>with the hazard lights flashing.
LOL, they will have to change.......one day!
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>While you and I may feel that way, I don't think the average Italian is
>much of an environmentalist. There are a lot of Italians (mostly
>elderly, however) who conserve electricity, but this is a reflex economy
>that dates from the days when electicity was relatively expensive. The
>young around here seem to think wasting resources proves your social
>status. They leave their car engines running while they are in the bar,
>they wouldn't be caught dead in a city bus, they won't walk anywhere if
>they can drive there, and when they arrive they won't park more than
>twenty paces from their destination, even if it means parking on a curve
>with the hazard lights flashing.
LOL, they will have to change.......one day!
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
UK walking "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
(The reply-to address is a spam trap)
Spain,cuisines and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Aug 17th 2003, 8:05 pm
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Following up to Judith Umbria
>with the TV
>morning show on inside and got another lecture.
you watch daytime TV? You watch Italian day time TV??
--
Mike Reid
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UK walking "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Spain,cuisines and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
>with the TV
>morning show on inside and got another lecture.
you watch daytime TV? You watch Italian day time TV??
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
UK walking "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
(The reply-to address is a spam trap)
Spain,cuisines and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Aug 17th 2003, 10:43 pm
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"The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Following up to Judith Umbria
> >with the TV
> >morning show on inside and got another lecture.
> you watch daytime TV? You watch Italian day time TV??
> --
> Mike Reid
I get my dose of news, cookery and bits of this and that, almost every
morning with "Uno Mattina." Wanna make something of it? In addition, it
improves my Italian to hear it spoken colloquially in conversation. Oh thou
superior soul. Mikey, Mikey, what will we do with you?
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> Following up to Judith Umbria
> >with the TV
> >morning show on inside and got another lecture.
> you watch daytime TV? You watch Italian day time TV??
> --
> Mike Reid
I get my dose of news, cookery and bits of this and that, almost every
morning with "Uno Mattina." Wanna make something of it? In addition, it
improves my Italian to hear it spoken colloquially in conversation. Oh thou
superior soul. Mikey, Mikey, what will we do with you?
Aug 18th 2003, 1:27 pm
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XOR wrote:
> as if spending sleepless nights in hot apartments
> > or baking in cars under the sun were healthy... I have air conditioning
> > installed at home and I've always used it for two months and a half
every
> > summer. I couldn't sleep without. This year was one of the worst, since
I
> > had to turn it on at the beginning of May, but the past summers were by
no
> > means cool.
> *Don't forget that air conditioning also helps filter out dirt,
> pollen,
> *insects (no window screens in Italy!), noise, etc.
> And of course it's so much better to install massive energy consuming
> and costly air conditioning units than window screens.
Why not both? Here in the States is considered rather "white trash" not to
have window screens...
And modern a/c units are getting ever more effecient...using your reasoning
I guess we'd all be better off living in caves and using whale oil lamps.
Not real energy consuming or costly, that.....
> They're not even very efficient at filtering pollen and dirt.
If you have a decent filtering system they sure are.
My
> asthma and allergies are much worse in air conditioned places. I get
> stuffed up, wake up with a scratchy aching throat.... very healthy.
Drop round your local chemist for some nostrums to help alleviate these
ailments....
> Noise, I'll give you that. The only time I wish I had a/c is when the
> music is blaring on the street...
My street is fairly noisy and I have to have some "white noise" going year -
round in my bedroom (either a/c or a fan).
--
Best
Greg
> as if spending sleepless nights in hot apartments
> > or baking in cars under the sun were healthy... I have air conditioning
> > installed at home and I've always used it for two months and a half
every
> > summer. I couldn't sleep without. This year was one of the worst, since
I
> > had to turn it on at the beginning of May, but the past summers were by
no
> > means cool.
> *Don't forget that air conditioning also helps filter out dirt,
> pollen,
> *insects (no window screens in Italy!), noise, etc.
> And of course it's so much better to install massive energy consuming
> and costly air conditioning units than window screens.
Why not both? Here in the States is considered rather "white trash" not to
have window screens...
And modern a/c units are getting ever more effecient...using your reasoning
I guess we'd all be better off living in caves and using whale oil lamps.
Not real energy consuming or costly, that.....
> They're not even very efficient at filtering pollen and dirt.
If you have a decent filtering system they sure are.
My
> asthma and allergies are much worse in air conditioned places. I get
> stuffed up, wake up with a scratchy aching throat.... very healthy.
Drop round your local chemist for some nostrums to help alleviate these
ailments....
> Noise, I'll give you that. The only time I wish I had a/c is when the
> music is blaring on the street...
My street is fairly noisy and I have to have some "white noise" going year -
round in my bedroom (either a/c or a fan).
--
Best
Greg
