S Viemeister

garymac wrote:

    > In Scotland the best architecture is to be found in the Old town area of
    > Edinburgh and in the centre of Glasgow. If you want nature travel up the A9
    > to Inverness, the scenery is superbly rugged and Inverness is a great town
    >
If you wanr REALLY great scenery, continue on past Inverness - go up the
west coast, then along the north coast. You might even consider taking the
ferry over to Orkney.

Padraig Breathnach

Susan Wachob wrote:

    >Also Doolan - a little town on the west coast (Mayo maybe?)- is full of
    >Irish music and a great place to spend an evening- or two or three).
I think you mean Doolin, in County Clare -- some distance from Mayo!

    >Be sure to kiss the Blarney Stone. (Do you think I'd have written so
    >much here if I didn't get the gift of gab? They even sell you a
    >certificate attesting that you've kissed it and OFFICIALLY have the gift
    >of gab!) The second time I was there, they had spiffed it up a little
    >and made it safer-looking (so you can't fall of the castle wall
    >upside-down and backwards when you lean over to kiss it. But a little
    >old leprechaun-looking man holds your feet, so you won't even feel
    >(much) that you'll fall. Part of the local lore is that the local kids
    >sneak up at night and pee on the stone. Sounds very plausible to me.
Jaysus, don't go near the Blarney Stone! It's about as naff a tourist
trap as you can find.

    >If you like nature, you'll love a pony and trap ride across the Lakes of
    >Killarney. A trap is a tiny cart pulled by a pony. The ones that I've
    >been in hold 4 people. You get them at a broken down farm yard where
    >local men bring their ponies and traps for you to board (wear old shoes
    >or boots- it's mucky) and then they guide it over the Gap of Dunloe
    >which is a ride over a beautiful, barren gap in the mountains. The
    >scenery is breathtaking and unusual! When we did it, it ended at the
    >head of the Lakes of Killarney where you transfer to little boats that
    >take you across the lovely, quiet little Lakes to Muckross House where
    >your transportation takes you back to town.
They cost a bomb! Use your hire car, and drive slowly (don't, however,
attempt to cross the lake by car).


    >Another place I really enjoyed both times I was in the southeast was
    >the Rock of Cashel- where Brian Boru is reputed to have ruled
    >Ireland. A walk up a steep road to the ruins. The ruins are beautiful
    >and moving. The view from the graveyard outside is stunning.
All correct, except for the bit about Brian Boru. He was based in
Kincora, close to the very pleasant small town of Killaloe.


    >If you like gardens, I've heard Powers Court is supposed to be THE place
    >to see a glorious display.
Good. It's in Co. Wicklow, just to the south of Dublin. Perhaps better
is Mount Usher, also in Co. Wicklow.


    >A drive through the area south of Dublin was fascinating- be sure
    >someone (or a guide book) explains the peat fields and how they're
    >stacked and why, etc.
That's Wicklow, again. You will see more turf-cutting in the west
coast counties.


    >The Cliffs of Moher, the limestone caves in the Burren, the dolmens- all
    >in the northwest make a lovely day.
Southwest -- Co. Clare.

    >Ruined abbeys and castles all over
    >Ireland. (I didn't stop for EVERY one- but just about!)
    >Moran's Oyster Hut just south of Galway City was delicious.
    >A dinner at Bunratty castle is touristy but if you like that sort of
    >thing, is was fun. Serving wenches, eat with your hands (and ?maybe? a
    >fork) medieval music, etc)
It's better during the day, without the dinner. The folk park at
Bunratty is an excellent visit.

    >And the Book of Kells- breathingly gorgeous! It used to be that you
    >could only see it for a brief time as the line is pushed along- but I
    >hear that they've created a whole little room where you're shown and
    >told all sorts of things about it before you see it. And that one of the
    >things is a series of hugely enlarged illuminated pictures of the pages
    >to get to really "see" them. Would have been nice to have an idea what I
    >was about to see.
    >It's at Trinity college in Dublin which is lovely itself. Just wander.
    >If it's open, be sure to look at the long, old, beautiful library room.
    >(Can't think what it's called. It's where the Book of Kells used to be
    >displayed.)
The Long Room, in the Old Library. Worth seeing. I believe that its
image was used in the recent Harry Potter film. Look for the Brian
Boru harp there; the national emblem is the harp, and that one is the
model; you will find it reproduced on Irish coins and on letters from
government agencies such as the Revenue Commissioners.

PB

Barbara Mawdsley

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Had a wonderful tour of Scotland with Cameron Tours last March. He did
a customized and economical tour in his van, staying at B&B's. Highly
recommended if he fits your schedule.

Barbara in CT

garymac wrote:

    >>What are the MSUT SEE sights there?
    >>I like nature better than the opera, and architecture better than modern
    >>
    >art
    >
    >>museums.
    >>
    >In Scotland the best architecture is to be found in the Old town area of
    >Edinburgh and in the centre of Glasgow. If you want nature travel up the A9
    >to Inverness, the scenery is superbly rugged and Inverness is a great town
    >gary
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Had a wonderful tour of Scotland with Cameron Tours last March. Â He did a
customized and economical tour in his van, staying at B&B's. Â Highly
recommended if he fits your schedule.

Barbara in CT

garymac wrote:


What are the MSUT SEE sights there?

I like nature better than the opera, and architecture better than modern


art


museums.



In Scotland the best architecture is to be found in the Old town area of
Edinburgh and in the centre of Glasgow. If you want nature travel up the A9
to Inverness, the scenery is superbly rugged and Inverness is a great town

gary








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Susan Wachob

Hi PB-

Yup- I made a number of errors in spelling and exact locations. You've
been very careful to correct each one. And criticize some that you
didn't have to correct. And you disagree with some of the things I
enjoyed. That's cool.

But you added very little.

Since you clearly know quite a bit, why don't you spend some energy
helping by suggesting some things that YOU think the writer might find
interesting instead of just the negativity? You probably have a lot to
offer.

Susan

Padraig Breathnach wrote:
    >
    > Susan Wachob wrote:
    >
    > >Also Doolan - a little town on the west coast (Mayo maybe?)- is full of
    > >Irish music and a great place to spend an evening- or two or three).
    > >
    > I think you mean Doolin, in County Clare -- some distance from Mayo!
    >
    > >Be sure to kiss the Blarney Stone. (Do you think I'd have written so
    > >much here if I didn't get the gift of gab? They even sell you a
    > >certificate attesting that you've kissed it and OFFICIALLY have the gift
    > >of gab!) The second time I was there, they had spiffed it up a little
    > >and made it safer-looking (so you can't fall of the castle wall
    > >upside-down and backwards when you lean over to kiss it. But a little
    > >old leprechaun-looking man holds your feet, so you won't even feel
    > >(much) that you'll fall. Part of the local lore is that the local kids
    > >sneak up at night and pee on the stone. Sounds very plausible to me.
    > >
    > Jaysus, don't go near the Blarney Stone! It's about as naff a tourist
    > trap as you can find.
    >
    > >If you like nature, you'll love a pony and trap ride across the Lakes of
    > >Killarney. A trap is a tiny cart pulled by a pony. The ones that I've
    > >been in hold 4 people. You get them at a broken down farm yard where
    > >local men bring their ponies and traps for you to board (wear old shoes
    > >or boots- it's mucky) and then they guide it over the Gap of Dunloe
    > >which is a ride over a beautiful, barren gap in the mountains. The
    > >scenery is breathtaking and unusual! When we did it, it ended at the
    > >head of the Lakes of Killarney where you transfer to little boats that
    > >take you across the lovely, quiet little Lakes to Muckross House where
    > >your transportation takes you back to town.
    > >
    > They cost a bomb! Use your hire car, and drive slowly (don't, however,
    > attempt to cross the lake by car).
    >
    > >Another place I really enjoyed both times I was in the southeast was
    > >the Rock of Cashel- where Brian Boru is reputed to have ruled
    > >Ireland. A walk up a steep road to the ruins. The ruins are beautiful
    > >and moving. The view from the graveyard outside is stunning.
    > >
    > All correct, except for the bit about Brian Boru. He was based in
    > Kincora, close to the very pleasant small town of Killaloe.
    >
    > >If you like gardens, I've heard Powers Court is supposed to be THE place
    > >to see a glorious display.
    > >
    > Good. It's in Co. Wicklow, just to the south of Dublin. Perhaps better
    > is Mount Usher, also in Co. Wicklow.
    >
    > >A drive through the area south of Dublin was fascinating- be sure
    > >someone (or a guide book) explains the peat fields and how they're
    > >stacked and why, etc.
    > >
    > That's Wicklow, again. You will see more turf-cutting in the west
    > coast counties.
    >
    > >The Cliffs of Moher, the limestone caves in the Burren, the dolmens- all
    > >in the northwest make a lovely day.
    > >
    > Southwest -- Co. Clare.
    >
    > >Ruined abbeys and castles all over
    > >Ireland. (I didn't stop for EVERY one- but just about!)
    > >
    > >Moran's Oyster Hut just south of Galway City was delicious.
    > >
    > >A dinner at Bunratty castle is touristy but if you like that sort of
    > >thing, is was fun. Serving wenches, eat with your hands (and ?maybe? a
    > >fork) medieval music, etc)
    > >
    > It's better during the day, without the dinner. The folk park at
    > Bunratty is an excellent visit.
    >
    > >And the Book of Kells- breathingly gorgeous! It used to be that you
    > >could only see it for a brief time as the line is pushed along- but I
    > >hear that they've created a whole little room where you're shown and
    > >told all sorts of things about it before you see it. And that one of the
    > >things is a series of hugely enlarged illuminated pictures of the pages
    > >to get to really "see" them. Would have been nice to have an idea what I
    > >was about to see.
    > >
    > >It's at Trinity college in Dublin which is lovely itself. Just wander.
    > >If it's open, be sure to look at the long, old, beautiful library room.
    > >(Can't think what it's called. It's where the Book of Kells used to be
    > >displayed.)
    > >
    > The Long Room, in the Old Library. Worth seeing. I believe that its
    > image was used in the recent Harry Potter film. Look for the Brian
    > Boru harp there; the national emblem is the harp, and that one is the
    > model; you will find it reproduced on Irish coins and on letters from
    > government agencies such as the Revenue Commissioners.
    >
    > PB

Miss L.Toe

"Christian M. Nielsen" wrote in message
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    > What are the MSUT SEE sights there?
    > I like nature better than the opera, and architecture better than modern
art
    > museums.

One thing to add to those suggested already is the National Museum of
Ireland in Dublin. I found it (near Merrion Square) to be a fasciating
glimpse of the ancient Irish past and in a very nice building as well. It's
small so it shouldn't take more than an hour or so to see.

Padraig Breathnach

"Miss L.Toe" wrote:

    >One thing to add to those suggested already is the National Museum of
    >Ireland in Dublin. I found it (near Merrion Square) to be a fasciating
    >glimpse of the ancient Irish past and in a very nice building as well. It's
    >small so it shouldn't take more than an hour or so to see.
It is fairly good, and it's free. It's on Kildare Street, only a short
stroll from Trinity College. The Museum also has a larger display at
Collins Barracks, about 2 km. away. There is a bus link between the
two premises.

PB

Fustanella

    > What are the MSUT SEE sights there?

If you're big on stone circles, standing stones and stuff, the guy who runs
www.megalithomania.com was a wealth of information about Ireland. He noted a
stone back behind an Army training range which was well worth the hunt.

Other bits which stood out for us were the Cliffs of Moher, the mountain
drive from Killarney to Kenmare (there's another way back that's a bit out
of the way but less stressful), using the train-system throughout the Dublin
area for sight-seeing, Kinsale on the south coast, the Rock of Cashel and
staying at Dromoland Castle near Shannon airport.

Miss L.Toe

"Padraig Breathnach" wrote in message
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    > "Miss L.Toe" wrote:
    > >One thing to add to those suggested already is the National Museum of
    > >Ireland in Dublin. I found it (near Merrion Square) to be a fasciating
    > >glimpse of the ancient Irish past and in a very nice building as well.
It's
    > >small so it shouldn't take more than an hour or so to see.
    > >
    > It is fairly good, and it's free. It's on Kildare Street, only a short
    > stroll from Trinity College. The Museum also has a larger display at
    > Collins Barracks, about 2 km. away. There is a bus link between the
    > two premises.
    > PB

Ahh - So it's the same museum is it - Not two museum with the same name ?
I did get a bit confused when I saw a sign pointing to the National Museum
of Ireland in the wrong direction - so I ignored the sign :-)

I had assumed that the one at the barracks was a military museum - So is it
just a bigger but similar version of the Kildare street one. (planning my
next visit already)

P.S. for anyone going soon - Waiting for Godot at the Gate theatre is very
good. (IMO)

Padraig Breathnach

"Miss L.Toe" wrote:
    >"Padraig Breathnach" wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> "Miss L.Toe" wrote:
    >> >One thing to add to those suggested already is the National Museum of
    >> >Ireland in Dublin. I found it (near Merrion Square) to be a fasciating
    >> >glimpse of the ancient Irish past and in a very nice building as well.
    >It's
    >> >small so it shouldn't take more than an hour or so to see.
    >> >
    >> It is fairly good, and it's free. It's on Kildare Street, only a short
    >> stroll from Trinity College. The Museum also has a larger display at
    >> Collins Barracks, about 2 km. away. There is a bus link between the
    >> two premises.
    >> PB
    >Ahh - So it's the same museum is it - Not two museum with the same name ?
    >I did get a bit confused when I saw a sign pointing to the National Museum
    >of Ireland in the wrong direction - so I ignored the sign :-)
Usually a good idea in Ireland.

    >I had assumed that the one at the barracks was a military museum - So is it
    >just a bigger but similar version of the Kildare street one. (planning my
    >next visit already)
The Kildare Street premises is relatively small. In fact, it has got a
good deal smaller during my lifetime as space was taken from it for
other purposes (principally to accommodate parliamentary and
government offices in adjacent buildings).

When the new museum was opened, I was charmed to find things on
display which I had not seen for many years, and much that I had never
seen.

The cream of the collection is displayed in Kildare Street.

    >P.S. for anyone going soon - Waiting for Godot at the Gate theatre is very
    >good. (IMO)
Probably. Nearly everything done at the Gate Theatre is very good!

PB

Markm

"Christian M. Nielsen" wrote in message news:...
    > What are the MSUT SEE sights there?
    >
    > I like nature better than the opera, and architecture better than modern art
    > museums.
    >
    > --
    >
    > Mvh / Regards

Scotland:

For nature/scenery you will be spoiled for choice. My favourite is to
drive up the small west coast roads, try from Oban going north up past
Port Appin towards Fort William. Maybe Applecross if you have time.
Hills, Islands, sea & white beaches. Some people like Glencoe - it is
a very 'dark' steep sided valley (glen) although maybe that adds to
the history (massacre of Glencoe). Loch Lomond (my favourite is the
small east coast road) is very pretty, but can be busy if the weather
is nice. Numerous other scenic places throughout the Highlands, and
the lowlands/borders ars also nice if you like less rugged, more
rolling scenery.

For architecture, definitely Edinburgh #1 with the castle and lost of
old buildings. Stirling is also quite nice. Countless other castles -
Eilean Donnan (sp?) on mainland but near island of Skye is probably
one of the most photographed. Have fun, and if you are coming late
summer/fall remember insect repellant for the Midgies......

Mark

Todd

I visited both in October. I really enjoyed the west coast of Ireland, the
Dingle Penninsula especially and Connemara for it's pristine beauty and
remoteness.

In Scotland, I enjoyed the isle of Mull, Iona, and Staffa. If you're there
in July, definitely to to Staffa. You'll see the friendly puffins. I
stayed in Oban, which is a friendly and quaint little town, if a bit quiet.

Enjoy your trip.
Todd

"Christian M. Nielsen" wrote in message
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    > What are the MSUT SEE sights there?
    > I like nature better than the opera, and architecture better than modern
art
    > museums.
    > --
    > Mvh / Regards
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Johnnyj

Christian M. Nielsen wrote:
    > "Padraig Breathnach" wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >
    >>In Ireland, most of the best scenery is to be found on the west coast
    >>-- almost anywhere along that coast.
    >
    >
    > OK; Thx a lot.
    >
    >
    >>Dublin has some good Georgian architecture.
    >>What about historic sites and social life? We do some good stuff in
    >>those areas.
    >
    >
    > I like historical stuff better that social life (if it's the same as night
    > life??) Of cource I'll see your night life too, but it's not the main reason
    > for me to travel there.
    >
You should try to find some rural Irish pub, sadly they are decreasing
in popularity, but there are still some great places to go and have a
bit of craic!(I know that word is a bit tourist-ized, but there is no
better word to describe it - "fun"? nah, craic is way better!).
JohnnyJ

Christian M. Nielsen

Thank you all for your participation and good advices.



When going to Scotland (I think I'll spend most time here), what part should
I stay in, to get the best nature experience. It should also be close to old
architecture. I know this maybe is too much to get from one spot, so maybe
several suggestions would be more the thing for me.



Like



"City 1" close to xxx and yyy and zzzz

"City 2" close to ddd and ggg and hhh



Etc.



Do any have a rough suggestion on how much money I/we should bring pr. day?
We can easily live in small rooms on a low budget hotel. The bed/room is
just for sleeping and not a place to stay more than necessary. We'll be a
couple travelling together, so a double room should be our most wanted. We
do not plan to make food our self, but would like to try the local things
when being out. Breakfast is usually fruit , juice and buns, so that's
cheap.


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Mvh / Regards

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Christian M. Nielsen

"Fustanella" wrote in message
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    > > What are the MSUT SEE sights there?
    > If you're big on stone circles, standing stones and stuff, the guy who
runs
    > www.megalithomania.com was a wealth of information about Ireland. He noted
a
    > stone back behind an Army training range which was well worth the hunt.

Thx a lot for the link. I really enjoyed the pictures at his site. We have
something like that in Denamrk too.

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Owain

Susan Wachob wrote
    > As for Scotland-One of my favorites is the gravesite of Rob Roy in a
    > tiny church graveyard. He's a national hero but the gravesite is simple.
    > Can't remember the exact location- but along
    > the east side of Loch Lomond.

Balquhidder

http://www.lenymede.demon.co.uk/photscot3/photo4.html
http://www.theladeinn.com/Out&about/robrroy.htm

Owain