I am an american traveling to europe
Mar 12th 2003, 2:10 am
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"The Reids" wrote in message
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> Following up to Tim
> >It wasn't thier National Day or anything was it ?
> >The same thing happens in Austria, on teh 26th November but only for the
one
> >day.
> Only happens in UK for football World Cup and it did also for Mrs
> Windsor's jubilee.
Ah yes I remember (the Silver one) - street parties and flags everywhere.
Very unusual.
Tim.
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> Following up to Tim
> >It wasn't thier National Day or anything was it ?
> >The same thing happens in Austria, on teh 26th November but only for the
one
> >day.
> Only happens in UK for football World Cup and it did also for Mrs
> Windsor's jubilee.
Ah yes I remember (the Silver one) - street parties and flags everywhere.
Very unusual.
Tim.
Mar 12th 2003, 2:20 am
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John Stolz wrote:
> Good point(s), well made. I always wondered why one should feel proud of
> your nationality, it is, after all, an accident of birth. Proud of one's
> achievement, perhaps, but proud of the bit of land you happened to be born
> in....hmmm. Should one also be proud of the town or street one was born in?
One might be proud of the accomplishments of one's nation provided one was
actively part of them. For example I vote, write to congresspeople when
a vote I consider important is happening, and do what I can as a private
citizen to affect my government.
Now if they would only do stuff that makes me feel proud. . . .
Right now it seems they ignore. me.
I would also say that a n immigrant, who had chosen a country, and gone
throught the years of waiting and the significant education required might
become a proud American.
> The advice to tone down the 'proud american' is well given, particularly at
> the moment when 'proud american' is all too easily translated into
> 'imperialist american' In someone elses country I always feel that a little
> humility is more becoming than pride.
Exactly.
Julie
Who is currently an embarrased american.
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> Good point(s), well made. I always wondered why one should feel proud of
> your nationality, it is, after all, an accident of birth. Proud of one's
> achievement, perhaps, but proud of the bit of land you happened to be born
> in....hmmm. Should one also be proud of the town or street one was born in?
One might be proud of the accomplishments of one's nation provided one was
actively part of them. For example I vote, write to congresspeople when
a vote I consider important is happening, and do what I can as a private
citizen to affect my government.
Now if they would only do stuff that makes me feel proud. . . .
Right now it seems they ignore. me.
I would also say that a n immigrant, who had chosen a country, and gone
throught the years of waiting and the significant education required might
become a proud American.
> The advice to tone down the 'proud american' is well given, particularly at
> the moment when 'proud american' is all too easily translated into
> 'imperialist american' In someone elses country I always feel that a little
> humility is more becoming than pride.
Exactly.
Julie
Who is currently an embarrased american.
--
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**********
Check out my Traval Pages (non-commercial) at
http://www.dragonsholm.org/travel.htm
Mar 12th 2003, 3:38 am
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We were just in Spain and had an absolutely awesome trip, we were sad to
leave. A couple of people commented on US policy, but in a very reasonable
way.
I doubt you'd have any real problems in most of Europe, I'm not sure what
Paris might be like these days though. I've run into some pretty nasty
people there in normal times. That said though, Paris is one of my top 3
favorite cities in the world, I just wish the $ were stronger against the
Euro.
Ralph
"Terry Liptak" wrote in message
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> I'm looking for some honest feedback. I, along with four friends, will be
> going to Europe. We plan to visit Paris, Munich, Prague, Berlin, and
> Amsterdam. We are proud Americans, but by no means cocky. We hope to have
a
> good time - meeting the people of Europe, and enjoying the many pubs.
> We have never been to Europe - and we can't change our trip now - do you
> think that we will come back having a bad time ? I keep seeing articles
and
> posts that say allot of terrible things about how the Europeans are
viewing
> Americans - and in turn the American people that travel to Europe.
> I would like to believe that these are just isolated incidents, but I do
> not know for sure. How do you think four 20 something, open minded,
American
> guys would be treated in these countries ? We can't turn back now.
leave. A couple of people commented on US policy, but in a very reasonable
way.
I doubt you'd have any real problems in most of Europe, I'm not sure what
Paris might be like these days though. I've run into some pretty nasty
people there in normal times. That said though, Paris is one of my top 3
favorite cities in the world, I just wish the $ were stronger against the
Euro.
Ralph
"Terry Liptak" wrote in message
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> I'm looking for some honest feedback. I, along with four friends, will be
> going to Europe. We plan to visit Paris, Munich, Prague, Berlin, and
> Amsterdam. We are proud Americans, but by no means cocky. We hope to have
a
> good time - meeting the people of Europe, and enjoying the many pubs.
> We have never been to Europe - and we can't change our trip now - do you
> think that we will come back having a bad time ? I keep seeing articles
and
> posts that say allot of terrible things about how the Europeans are
viewing
> Americans - and in turn the American people that travel to Europe.
> I would like to believe that these are just isolated incidents, but I do
> not know for sure. How do you think four 20 something, open minded,
American
> guys would be treated in these countries ? We can't turn back now.
Mar 12th 2003, 4:24 am
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I read all these posts of scared Americans...
but I'm wondering: is it dangerous for a French man/woman to go in the US
today?
Do you beat us in the streets? do you attack us in the shops?
if it is not the case, so why do you think it can happen to you in Europe?
V.
"Terry Liptak" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> I'm looking for some honest feedback. I, along with four friends, will be
> going to Europe. We plan to visit Paris, Munich, Prague, Berlin, and
> Amsterdam. We are proud Americans, but by no means cocky. We hope to have
a
> good time - meeting the people of Europe, and enjoying the many pubs.
> We have never been to Europe - and we can't change our trip now - do you
> think that we will come back having a bad time ? I keep seeing articles
and
> posts that say allot of terrible things about how the Europeans are
viewing
> Americans - and in turn the American people that travel to Europe.
> I would like to believe that these are just isolated incidents, but I do
> not know for sure. How do you think four 20 something, open minded,
American
> guys would be treated in these countries ? We can't turn back now.
but I'm wondering: is it dangerous for a French man/woman to go in the US
today?
Do you beat us in the streets? do you attack us in the shops?
if it is not the case, so why do you think it can happen to you in Europe?
V.
"Terry Liptak" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> I'm looking for some honest feedback. I, along with four friends, will be
> going to Europe. We plan to visit Paris, Munich, Prague, Berlin, and
> Amsterdam. We are proud Americans, but by no means cocky. We hope to have
a
> good time - meeting the people of Europe, and enjoying the many pubs.
> We have never been to Europe - and we can't change our trip now - do you
> think that we will come back having a bad time ? I keep seeing articles
and
> posts that say allot of terrible things about how the Europeans are
viewing
> Americans - and in turn the American people that travel to Europe.
> I would like to believe that these are just isolated incidents, but I do
> not know for sure. How do you think four 20 something, open minded,
American
> guys would be treated in these countries ? We can't turn back now.
Mar 12th 2003, 4:37 am
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:24:26 +0100, v wrote:
> I read all these posts of scared Americans...
> but I'm wondering: is it dangerous for a French man/woman to go in the US
> today?
> Do you beat us in the streets? do you attack us in the shops?
Well, reading some of the posters around here, it kind of looks like some
of them might...
:-(
> I read all these posts of scared Americans...
> but I'm wondering: is it dangerous for a French man/woman to go in the US
> today?
> Do you beat us in the streets? do you attack us in the shops?
Well, reading some of the posters around here, it kind of looks like some
of them might...
:-(
Mar 12th 2003, 5:04 am
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:35:36 +0100, Wolfgang Schwanke
wrote:
>The Reids wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>> Realise that saying "God bless America"
>> would have people falling about laughing in UK. Even saying you are
>> "proud americans" would get a funny look. We don't do patriotism like
>> that.
>I'm not so sure. Have you watched "Last night of the proms" lately?
Kind of you to mention that but I think it's 98% nostalgia.
73's
DG
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>The Reids wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>> Realise that saying "God bless America"
>> would have people falling about laughing in UK. Even saying you are
>> "proud americans" would get a funny look. We don't do patriotism like
>> that.
>I'm not so sure. Have you watched "Last night of the proms" lately?
Kind of you to mention that but I think it's 98% nostalgia.
73's
DG
Mar 12th 2003, 5:16 am
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On 12 Mar 2003 15:20:22 GMT, Juliana L Holm wrote:
>John Stolz wrote:
>> Good point(s), well made. I always wondered why one should feel proud of
>> your nationality, it is, after all, an accident of birth. Proud of one's
>> achievement, perhaps, but proud of the bit of land you happened to be born
>> in....hmmm. Should one also be proud of the town or street one was born in?
A good community is something you can be proud of especially if you
have made your contribution to it..
>One might be proud of the accomplishments of one's nation provided one was
>actively part of them.
Yes, and one's parents, surely. And of their parents to a certain
extent. If your grandad discovered pennicillin you would be proud of it
wouldn't you?
DG
>John Stolz wrote:
>> Good point(s), well made. I always wondered why one should feel proud of
>> your nationality, it is, after all, an accident of birth. Proud of one's
>> achievement, perhaps, but proud of the bit of land you happened to be born
>> in....hmmm. Should one also be proud of the town or street one was born in?
A good community is something you can be proud of especially if you
have made your contribution to it..
>One might be proud of the accomplishments of one's nation provided one was
>actively part of them.
Yes, and one's parents, surely. And of their parents to a certain
extent. If your grandad discovered pennicillin you would be proud of it
wouldn't you?
DG
Mar 12th 2003, 5:51 am
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In article ,
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
> "Terry Liptak" wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > We have never been to Europe - and we can't change our trip now - do
> > you think that we will come back having a bad time ? I keep seeing
> > articles and posts that say allot of terrible things about how the
> > Europeans are viewing Americans - and in turn the American people that
> > travel to Europe. I would like to believe that these are just isolated
> > incidents, but I do not know for sure.
>
> Worse: They are lies posted by American extremists as propaganda. Don't
> believe a single word of them.
>
> HTH
apparently some of them have been posted by non Americans [Australians]
for example pretending to be Americans --
Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
> "Terry Liptak" wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > We have never been to Europe - and we can't change our trip now - do
> > you think that we will come back having a bad time ? I keep seeing
> > articles and posts that say allot of terrible things about how the
> > Europeans are viewing Americans - and in turn the American people that
> > travel to Europe. I would like to believe that these are just isolated
> > incidents, but I do not know for sure.
>
> Worse: They are lies posted by American extremists as propaganda. Don't
> believe a single word of them.
>
> HTH
apparently some of them have been posted by non Americans [Australians]
for example pretending to be Americans --
Mar 12th 2003, 6:52 am
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Hello,
Come to Europe with an open mind. Europeans will welcome you with open arms
! :-)
"Terry Liptak" a écrit dans le message news:
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> I'm looking for some honest feedback. I, along with four friends, will be
> going to Europe. We plan to visit Paris, Munich, Prague, Berlin, and
> Amsterdam. We are proud Americans, but by no means cocky. We hope to have
a
> good time - meeting the people of Europe, and enjoying the many pubs.
> We have never been to Europe - and we can't change our trip now - do you
> think that we will come back having a bad time ? I keep seeing articles
and
> posts that say allot of terrible things about how the Europeans are
viewing
> Americans - and in turn the American people that travel to Europe.
> I would like to believe that these are just isolated incidents, but I do
> not know for sure. How do you think four 20 something, open minded,
American
> guys would be treated in these countries ? We can't turn back now.
Come to Europe with an open mind. Europeans will welcome you with open arms
! :-)
"Terry Liptak" a écrit dans le message news:
[email protected]...
> I'm looking for some honest feedback. I, along with four friends, will be
> going to Europe. We plan to visit Paris, Munich, Prague, Berlin, and
> Amsterdam. We are proud Americans, but by no means cocky. We hope to have
a
> good time - meeting the people of Europe, and enjoying the many pubs.
> We have never been to Europe - and we can't change our trip now - do you
> think that we will come back having a bad time ? I keep seeing articles
and
> posts that say allot of terrible things about how the Europeans are
viewing
> Americans - and in turn the American people that travel to Europe.
> I would like to believe that these are just isolated incidents, but I do
> not know for sure. How do you think four 20 something, open minded,
American
> guys would be treated in these countries ? We can't turn back now.
Mar 12th 2003, 9:05 am
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"Deep Floyd Mars" wrote:
>Apparently? It is possible to fudge the headers on a post to make it look
>like it has originated from elsewhere. Any good troll could tell you how to
>do this. ...
"Any good troll"? Show me a good troll, and I will be astonished.
PB
>Apparently? It is possible to fudge the headers on a post to make it look
>like it has originated from elsewhere. Any good troll could tell you how to
>do this. ...
"Any good troll"? Show me a good troll, and I will be astonished.
PB
Mar 12th 2003, 9:55 am
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> In article ,
> Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
> > "Terry Liptak" wrote in
> > news:[email protected]:
> >
> > > We have never been to Europe - and we can't change our trip now - do
> > > you think that we will come back having a bad time ? I keep seeing
> > > articles and posts that say allot of terrible things about how the
> > > Europeans are viewing Americans - and in turn the American people that
> > > travel to Europe. I would like to believe that these are just
isolated
> > > incidents, but I do not know for sure.
> >
> > Worse: They are lies posted by American extremists as propaganda. Don't
> > believe a single word of them.
> >
> > HTH
> apparently some of them have been posted by non Americans [Australians]
> for example pretending to be Americans --
Apparently? It is possible to fudge the headers on a post to make it look
like it has originated from elsewhere. Any good troll could tell you how to
do this. And you cannot assume the location or nationality of anyone here,
especially as it is a travel group, as not everyone is in their country of
origin.
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DFM
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> In article ,
> Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
> > "Terry Liptak" wrote in
> > news:[email protected]:
> >
> > > We have never been to Europe - and we can't change our trip now - do
> > > you think that we will come back having a bad time ? I keep seeing
> > > articles and posts that say allot of terrible things about how the
> > > Europeans are viewing Americans - and in turn the American people that
> > > travel to Europe. I would like to believe that these are just
isolated
> > > incidents, but I do not know for sure.
> >
> > Worse: They are lies posted by American extremists as propaganda. Don't
> > believe a single word of them.
> >
> > HTH
> apparently some of them have been posted by non Americans [Australians]
> for example pretending to be Americans --
Apparently? It is possible to fudge the headers on a post to make it look
like it has originated from elsewhere. Any good troll could tell you how to
do this. And you cannot assume the location or nationality of anyone here,
especially as it is a travel group, as not everyone is in their country of
origin.
---
DFM
Mar 12th 2003, 10:31 am
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> apparently some of them have been posted by non Americans [Australians]
> for example pretending to be Americans --
Be well and truly assured that no Australian worth their salt would ever
want to be seen as an American!
> for example pretending to be Americans --
Be well and truly assured that no Australian worth their salt would ever
want to be seen as an American!
Mar 12th 2003, 3:55 pm
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:30:20 +0800, "PDaVis"
wrote:
>She them stormed off out of the store without completing her purchase. A
>great ambassador for her country.
>If you want to be a good American tourist, just a hint, don't expect
>everything to be like it is at home.
Why treat her as an "ambassador for her country"?? Why not just as
another person responsible for her own actions, and act accordingly?
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wrote:
>She them stormed off out of the store without completing her purchase. A
>great ambassador for her country.
>If you want to be a good American tourist, just a hint, don't expect
>everything to be like it is at home.
Why treat her as an "ambassador for her country"?? Why not just as
another person responsible for her own actions, and act accordingly?
---------------------------
A truly cool book:
The World Is Already Yours
Conscious living in the real world
www.alreadyyours.com (sample chapter, etc...)
Mar 12th 2003, 4:31 pm
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> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:24:26 +0100, v wrote:
> > I read all these posts of scared Americans...
> > but I'm wondering: is it dangerous for a French man/woman to go in the
US
> > today?
> > Do you beat us in the streets? do you attack us in the shops?
> Well, reading some of the posters around here, it kind of looks like some
> of them might...
First, internet news groups attract trolls.
Second, Americans are much less concerned about all this than Europeans seem
to be. Americans who support the president are not out in the street, they
are working and living their lives. They could care less where you are from.
Third, there has been some publicity about hostility to muslims in the US
but I think most of that is coming from a few muslim groups that seek
publicity. I see muslims around and no one looks nervous. We do not have the
large muslim ghettos that exist in France and some other European countries.
Most of the anti-French stuff you will read is sophomoric humor. Some of it
is pretty funny and I am not happy with Chirac but many Frenchmen are not
either. I have visited France many times and tend to agree with most
Frenchmen from the countryside that Parisians are rude, just like New
Yorkers are rude. The personal aspect of this, not government to government,
is vastly over-blown.
Michael Kennedy
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[email protected]...> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:24:26 +0100, v wrote:
> > I read all these posts of scared Americans...
> > but I'm wondering: is it dangerous for a French man/woman to go in the
US
> > today?
> > Do you beat us in the streets? do you attack us in the shops?
> Well, reading some of the posters around here, it kind of looks like some
> of them might...
First, internet news groups attract trolls.
Second, Americans are much less concerned about all this than Europeans seem
to be. Americans who support the president are not out in the street, they
are working and living their lives. They could care less where you are from.
Third, there has been some publicity about hostility to muslims in the US
but I think most of that is coming from a few muslim groups that seek
publicity. I see muslims around and no one looks nervous. We do not have the
large muslim ghettos that exist in France and some other European countries.
Most of the anti-French stuff you will read is sophomoric humor. Some of it
is pretty funny and I am not happy with Chirac but many Frenchmen are not
either. I have visited France many times and tend to agree with most
Frenchmen from the countryside that Parisians are rude, just like New
Yorkers are rude. The personal aspect of this, not government to government,
is vastly over-blown.
Michael Kennedy
Mar 12th 2003, 4:55 pm
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grey wrote in message
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> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:30:20 +0800, "PDaVis"
> wrote:
> >She them stormed off out of the store without completing her purchase.
A
> >great ambassador for her country.
> >If you want to be a good American tourist, just a hint, don't expect
> >everything to be like it is at home.
> Why treat her as an "ambassador for her country"?? Why not just as
> another person responsible for her own actions, and act accordingly?
Ummm... because she was obviously not Dutch, and exhibited behaviour that
may have been acceptable in her own country, but is not in Holland.
When in Rome...
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DFM
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> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:30:20 +0800, "PDaVis"
> wrote:
> >She them stormed off out of the store without completing her purchase.
A
> >great ambassador for her country.
> >If you want to be a good American tourist, just a hint, don't expect
> >everything to be like it is at home.
> Why treat her as an "ambassador for her country"?? Why not just as
> another person responsible for her own actions, and act accordingly?
Ummm... because she was obviously not Dutch, and exhibited behaviour that
may have been acceptable in her own country, but is not in Holland.
When in Rome...
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DFM
