Miss L. Toe

Horizon - BBC2 9pm tonight - UK.

1/8 - The Survivor's Guide to Plane Crashes

Science documentary series. Despite a widespread fear of flying, few people
realise that most plane crashes have survivors and that there are many
things that you can do to increase your chances of staying alive. This film
investigates the latest scientific research and meets people to discover
what they did to survive under horrific circumstances.

James Silverton

Hello, Miss!
You wrote on Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:24:06 +0100:

MLT> 1/8 - The Survivor's Guide to Plane Crashes

Has anyone seen the recent Economist? There is a letter to the
editor with a cynically different view of safety equipment and
putting one's head down.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.comcast.not

Bedders

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Miss L. Toe wrote in message
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    >Horizon - BBC2 9pm tonight - UK.
    >1/8 - The Survivor's Guide to Plane Crashes
    >Science documentary series. Despite a widespread fear of flying, few people
    >realise that most plane crashes have survivors and that there are many
    >things that you can do to increase your chances of staying alive. This film
    >investigates the latest scientific research and meets people to discover
    >what they did to survive under horrific circumstances.

i hear sitting on the wing (well, a seat near where it joins the main
fuselage anyway!) may give some extra chances, as this part is constructed
with stronger materials..

though any passenger would be affected, in a crash (the tv series Lost is
not realistic!)

Neil Williams

Bedders wrote:

    > i hear sitting on the wing (well, a seat near where it joins the main
    > fuselage anyway!) may give some extra chances, as this part is constructed
    > with stronger materials..

It would be if it wasn't full of hundreds of gallons of fuel.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the tail is a safer location, but then
there've been crashes where the tail has been lost. I think we can
probably conclude that it doesn't really make any difference where you
sit, but it can help your odds if you pay attention to where the exits
are and such.

Neil

Frank F. Matthews

James Silverton wrote:
    > Hello, Miss!
    > You wrote on Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:24:06 +0100:
    >
    > MLT> 1/8 - The Survivor's Guide to Plane Crashes
    >
    > Has anyone seen the recent Economist? There is a letter to the editor
    > with a cynically different view of safety equipment and putting one's
    > head down.
    >
    > James Silverton
    > Potomac, Maryland

I did like the statement of concern for identifying the bodies.

Mary Pegg

Neil Williams wrote:

    > I'm sure I read somewhere that the tail is a safer location, but then

Yup, I believe that is true (on average).

    > there've been crashes where the tail has been lost. I think we can
    > probably conclude that it doesn't really make any difference where you
    > sit, but it can help your odds if you pay attention to where the exits
    > are and such.

Getting out of the aircraft as quickly as possible is the number one
factor, AIUI - if you survive the initial impact, obviously.

--
Something like: "ntlworld" "com" "dot" "at" "marypegg"

TOliver

"Mary Pegg" <[email protected]> wrote ...
    > Neil Williams wrote:
    >> I'm sure I read somewhere that the tail is a safer location, but then
    > Yup, I believe that is true (on average).
    >> there've been crashes where the tail has been lost. I think we can
    >> probably conclude that it doesn't really make any difference where you
    >> sit, but it can help your odds if you pay attention to where the exits
    >> are and such.
    > Getting out of the aircraft as quickly as possible is the number one
    > factor, AIUI - if you survive the initial impact, obviously.

While the doctrine of "Getting there last!" (i.e., having the bulk of the
a/c and the pax absorb much of the initial impact) does have some validity
and statistics do show an amazing number of surrvivors from the aft seating
rows (likely because an a/c breaking at midfuselage may leave them flame,
smoke and fume free(mostly), obviously everyone can't sit in the tail.

Many lives could be saved were commercial carriers to shift to all
rear-facing seating, apparently proven to cause much resistance among folk
who travel. Many military a/c designed to carry passengers are arranged
this way, a step which does prevent the pile of detached heads against the
forward bulkhead in high spreed impacts (if the bulkhead itself hasn't
become small pieces deep in a crater). I do continue to wear my old dog tag
so that if the dreadful moment comes, and if heads don't separate, I'll
remain identifiable to spped up the insurance settlement by my carrier(s).

The best doctrine/safety measure in case of an impending crash is to (A)
Place one's head between one's kness, and (2) Kiss one's ass goodbye.

Having survived one almost wizard prang, I'll pass on a repeat.

TMO

Frank F. Matthews

Neil Williams wrote:
    > Bedders wrote:
    >
    >
    >>i hear sitting on the wing (well, a seat near where it joins the main
    >>fuselage anyway!) may give some extra chances, as this part is constructed
    >>with stronger materials..
    >
    >
    > It would be if it wasn't full of hundreds of gallons of fuel.
    >
    > I'm sure I read somewhere that the tail is a safer location, but then
    > there've been crashes where the tail has been lost. I think we can
    > probably conclude that it doesn't really make any difference where you
    > sit, but it can help your odds if you pay attention to where the exits
    > are and such.
    >
    > Neil
    >

If you can predict what kind of crash there will be you can find a safer
place. Alas the location that is safer for one kind of crash is often
worse for another.

What you can do is limit the damage from some of the crash consequences.
Wear clothes that will not melt on your skin in a fire for example.
Wear secure shoes or sandals so that your feet are protected if you get
out of the plane. If you want to be paranoid then spend money on
something like a smoke hood.

And pay attention on how to get out in an emergency.

Runge

keep that to rec air group spammer

"Miss L. Toe" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de
news: [email protected] ws.net...
    > Horizon - BBC2 9pm tonight - UK.
    > 1/8 - The Survivor's Guide to Plane Crashes
    > Science documentary series. Despite a widespread fear of flying, few
    > people
    > realise that most plane crashes have survivors and that there are many
    > things that you can do to increase your chances of staying alive. This
    > film
    > investigates the latest scientific research and meets people to discover
    > what they did to survive under horrific circumstances.
    >

Tom Peel

Neil Williams schrieb:
    > Bedders wrote:
    >
    >> i hear sitting on the wing (well, a seat near where it joins the main
    >> fuselage anyway!) may give some extra chances, as this part is constructed
    >> with stronger materials..
    >
    > It would be if it wasn't full of hundreds of gallons of fuel.
    >
    > I'm sure I read somewhere that the tail is a safer location, but then
    > there've been crashes where the tail has been lost. I think we can
    > probably conclude that it doesn't really make any difference where you
    > sit, but it can help your odds if you pay attention to where the exits
    > are and such.
    >
    > Neil
    >

It would also help passenger safety if the morons who insist on dragging
all their luggage on board as hand baggage could be prevented from doing so.

T.


--
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au souffle du vent

Roland Perry

In message <[email protected]>, at 21:50:53 on Tue, 3 Oct
2006, Tom Peel <[email protected]> remarked:
    >It would also help passenger safety if the morons who insist on
    >dragging all their luggage on board as hand baggage could be prevented
    >from doing so.

I think the recent "liquid explosive" terrorists have made your wish
come true.
--
Roland Perry

x

Per James Silverton:
    > a cynically different view of safety equipment and
    >putting one's head down.

A loooong time ago, when the nation was having atomic attack drills in the
schools, there was the Atomic Attack Survival Position: "Lay on you back, raise
your legs into the air, drop your feet to the floor behind your head.... and
kiss your ass goodbye."
--
PeteCresswell

x

Per TOliver:
    > which does prevent the pile of detached heads against the
    >forward bulkhead in high spreed impacts

Do you have any professional experience in this area?

Some months ago, I had the misfortune to review some accident pix of the scene
after someone lost control of their bike on a curve at something over 110 mph.

The body/leathers looked untouched except that the head was missing - apparently
torn off instead of severed because all of the cervical vertebrae were sticking
out where the neck was.

What was left of the brain was a few feet further down the road, followed by the
head - still in the helmet, eyeglasses still in place.

My initial reaction was that the helmet had caught on something and, lacking
some sort of safety release on the neck strap, had been responsible for the
situation.

Could it have just been inertia as the body got momentarily hung up on
something?
--
PeteCresswell

Duh_OZ

Miss L. Toe wrote:
    > Horizon - BBC2 9pm tonight - UK.
    > 1/8 - The Survivor's Guide to Plane Crashes
    > Science documentary series. Despite a widespread fear of flying, few people
    > realise that most plane crashes have survivors and that there are many
    > things that you can do to increase your chances of staying alive. This film
    > investigates the latest scientific research and meets people to discover
    > what they did to survive under horrific circumstances.
===========
Assuming the plane breaks apart in mid air ----- pack a parachute?

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1147.shtm

Now, how do get the parachute out of the carry on apartment while the
plane breaks apart around you?

Alan S

On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 18:42:46 +0100, "Bedders"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >though any passenger would be affected, in a crash (the tv series Lost is
    >not realistic!)

No kidding!!

Darn, and I thought it was a documentary.

I was wondering why they never escaped but somehow the
cameramen got the pictures out...

Cheers, Alan, Australia