How much (£) should i budget for this trip?
Aug 28th 2005, 2:21 am
#46
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Re: How much (£) should i budget for this trip?
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:04:50 GMT, "Rubber Ducky"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>OK, i've kinda priced it up and this is what i've come up with:
>UK (Birmingham) -> GERMANY (Munich)
>BHX - MUC, Flight cost £400)
Don't know about the other fares, but the one above from Birmingham to
Munich....... 400GBP ??? Who's ripping you off for that fare ??
Just 3 years back we were over in the UK and flew from London to Hahn
just out from Frankfurt in Gemany and the fare with Ryan air was on
special 5GBP to get there and 11GBP to get back. To these figure we
had to add the airport taxes etc.
>GERMANY (Munich) -> POLAND (Auswitch, Warsaw)
>(Overland, estimate £200)
>POLAND (Auswitch, Warsaw) -> RUSSIA (St. Petersburg, Moscow)
>(Overland, estimate £200)
>RUSSIA (St. Petersburg, Moscow) -> INDIA (Delhi, Japiur)
>(SVO - DEL, Flight cost ~£450)
>INDIA (Delhi, Japiur) -> THAILAND (Bangkok)
>(DEL - BKK, Flight cost ~£275)
>THAILAND (Bangkok) -> HONG KONG
>(BKK - HKG, Flight cost ~£175)
>HONG KONG -> CHINA (Bejing)
>(HKG - PEK, Flight cost ~£200)
>CHINA (Bejing) -> AUSTRALIA (Melbourne)
>(PEK - MEL, Flight cost ~£1000, HKG - MEL, Flight cost ~£800)
>AUSTRALIA (Melbourne) -> FIJI (Suva)
>(MEL - SUV, Flight cost ~£850)
>FIJI (Suva) -> NEW ZEALAND (Auckland, Wellington)
>(SUV - AUK, Flight cost ~£300)
>(MEL - AUK, Flight cost ~£115, AUK - SUV, Flight cost ~£425)
>NEW ZEALAND (Auckland, Wellington) -> CHILE (Santiago)
>(AUK - SCL, Flight cost ~£650)
>CHILE (Santiago) -> PERU (Lima)
>(Overland, estimate £200)
>PERU (Lima) -> SOUTH AFRICA (Cape Town)
>(LIM - CPT, Flight cost ~£2,800)
>SOUTH AFRICA (Cape Town) -> EGYPT (Cairo)
>(Overland, estimate £400)
>EGYPT (Cairo)-> UK (Birmingham)
>(CAI - BHX, Flight cost ~£500)
>TOTAL ~£8,800 (inc. Bejing & Suva)
>TOTAL ~£6,800 (exc. Bejing & Suva)
>That flight from Lima to Cape town is the killer!!!!
<[email protected]> wrote:
>OK, i've kinda priced it up and this is what i've come up with:
>UK (Birmingham) -> GERMANY (Munich)
>BHX - MUC, Flight cost £400)
Don't know about the other fares, but the one above from Birmingham to
Munich....... 400GBP ??? Who's ripping you off for that fare ??
Just 3 years back we were over in the UK and flew from London to Hahn
just out from Frankfurt in Gemany and the fare with Ryan air was on
special 5GBP to get there and 11GBP to get back. To these figure we
had to add the airport taxes etc.
>GERMANY (Munich) -> POLAND (Auswitch, Warsaw)
>(Overland, estimate £200)
>POLAND (Auswitch, Warsaw) -> RUSSIA (St. Petersburg, Moscow)
>(Overland, estimate £200)
>RUSSIA (St. Petersburg, Moscow) -> INDIA (Delhi, Japiur)
>(SVO - DEL, Flight cost ~£450)
>INDIA (Delhi, Japiur) -> THAILAND (Bangkok)
>(DEL - BKK, Flight cost ~£275)
>THAILAND (Bangkok) -> HONG KONG
>(BKK - HKG, Flight cost ~£175)
>HONG KONG -> CHINA (Bejing)
>(HKG - PEK, Flight cost ~£200)
>CHINA (Bejing) -> AUSTRALIA (Melbourne)
>(PEK - MEL, Flight cost ~£1000, HKG - MEL, Flight cost ~£800)
>AUSTRALIA (Melbourne) -> FIJI (Suva)
>(MEL - SUV, Flight cost ~£850)
>FIJI (Suva) -> NEW ZEALAND (Auckland, Wellington)
>(SUV - AUK, Flight cost ~£300)
>(MEL - AUK, Flight cost ~£115, AUK - SUV, Flight cost ~£425)
>NEW ZEALAND (Auckland, Wellington) -> CHILE (Santiago)
>(AUK - SCL, Flight cost ~£650)
>CHILE (Santiago) -> PERU (Lima)
>(Overland, estimate £200)
>PERU (Lima) -> SOUTH AFRICA (Cape Town)
>(LIM - CPT, Flight cost ~£2,800)
>SOUTH AFRICA (Cape Town) -> EGYPT (Cairo)
>(Overland, estimate £400)
>EGYPT (Cairo)-> UK (Birmingham)
>(CAI - BHX, Flight cost ~£500)
>TOTAL ~£8,800 (inc. Bejing & Suva)
>TOTAL ~£6,800 (exc. Bejing & Suva)
>That flight from Lima to Cape town is the killer!!!!
Aug 28th 2005, 2:24 am
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Re: How much (GBP) should i budget for this trip?
"Des Small" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Rubber Ducky" <[email protected]> writes:
> > OK, i've kinda priced it up and this is what i've come up with:
> >
> > UK (Birmingham) -> GERMANY (Munich)
> > BHX - MUC, Flight cost £400)
> It's significantly less than that at the moment: I just booked it for
> about 190 GBP direct with Lufthansa. It was 40 GBP cheaper with KLM
> via Schipol, but it was also twice as long and it involved KLM which
> frankly I can live without.
> Where are you getting your prices? I used Expedia, which may be an
> improvement on your source.
Yeah my prices are from expedia but i've purposefully over-estimated. I can
fine tune these details further down the road.
Also is it true that in certain sceanios return tickets are cheaper than
one-way? Could there be the oppurtunity for profit here - selling the
return leg which I would not use?
RD
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news:[email protected]...
> "Rubber Ducky" <[email protected]> writes:
> > OK, i've kinda priced it up and this is what i've come up with:
> >
> > UK (Birmingham) -> GERMANY (Munich)
> > BHX - MUC, Flight cost £400)
> It's significantly less than that at the moment: I just booked it for
> about 190 GBP direct with Lufthansa. It was 40 GBP cheaper with KLM
> via Schipol, but it was also twice as long and it involved KLM which
> frankly I can live without.
> Where are you getting your prices? I used Expedia, which may be an
> improvement on your source.
Yeah my prices are from expedia but i've purposefully over-estimated. I can
fine tune these details further down the road.
Also is it true that in certain sceanios return tickets are cheaper than
one-way? Could there be the oppurtunity for profit here - selling the
return leg which I would not use?
RD
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Aug 28th 2005, 2:24 am
#48
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Re: How much (?) should i budget for this trip?
On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:03:34 +1000, "Scotty" <[email protected]>
wrote:
><[email protected] not really> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> AUZ$ would suggest to me that we have too many Kiwis here and they are
>> trying to take over "Our" dollar
>Too late dude, already done (just very secretely and not many people know
>it. 400,000 Kiwis cant all be wrong eh)
Probably more here than backl home in Kiwiland....
wrote:
><[email protected] not really> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> AUZ$ would suggest to me that we have too many Kiwis here and they are
>> trying to take over "Our" dollar
>Too late dude, already done (just very secretely and not many people know
>it. 400,000 Kiwis cant all be wrong eh)
Probably more here than backl home in Kiwiland....
Aug 28th 2005, 2:36 am
#49
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Re: How much (?) should i budget for this trip?
Where did you price these flights? It should be much cheaper than
that. The airlines' own websites usually give very expensive prices,
and sites like Expedia, Travelocity, etc. are also usually very
expensive for intercontinental flights. Your best option is to use a
company like airtreks.com or trailfinders.co.uk that specializes in
round-the-world airfares.
"PERU (Lima) -> SOUTH AFRICA (Cape Town)
(LIM - CPT, Flight cost ~£2,800)"
Try Lima -> Buenos Aires, and then Buenos Aires -> Cape Town
separately.
"UK (Birmingham) -> GERMANY (Munich)
BHX - MUC, Flight cost £400) "
Use Air Berlin or Ryanair or Easyjet to get from London to Munich
cheaply.
The flights from Delhi to Bangkok, Bangkok to Hong Kong, and Hong Kong
to Beijing will all be much cheaper if you buy them in the departure
city rather than in advance.
"SOUTH AFRICA (Cape Town) -> EGYPT (Cairo)
(Overland, estimate £400)"
Do you have any idea what is involved in going through Sudan, Ethiopia,
northern Kenya, and Mozambique overland?
that. The airlines' own websites usually give very expensive prices,
and sites like Expedia, Travelocity, etc. are also usually very
expensive for intercontinental flights. Your best option is to use a
company like airtreks.com or trailfinders.co.uk that specializes in
round-the-world airfares.
"PERU (Lima) -> SOUTH AFRICA (Cape Town)
(LIM - CPT, Flight cost ~£2,800)"
Try Lima -> Buenos Aires, and then Buenos Aires -> Cape Town
separately.
"UK (Birmingham) -> GERMANY (Munich)
BHX - MUC, Flight cost £400) "
Use Air Berlin or Ryanair or Easyjet to get from London to Munich
cheaply.
The flights from Delhi to Bangkok, Bangkok to Hong Kong, and Hong Kong
to Beijing will all be much cheaper if you buy them in the departure
city rather than in advance.
"SOUTH AFRICA (Cape Town) -> EGYPT (Cairo)
(Overland, estimate £400)"
Do you have any idea what is involved in going through Sudan, Ethiopia,
northern Kenya, and Mozambique overland?
Aug 28th 2005, 2:49 am
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Re: How much (GBP) should i budget for this trip?
"Also is it true that in certain sceanios return tickets are cheaper
than
one-way?"
Yes. If you simply walk up to an airport counter with a wad of 50 quid
notes and ask for a ticket on the next flight to Kathmandu, a return
ticket would be more expensive than a one-way ticket. But when you buy
tickets in advance from an agent, return tickets are often deeply
discounted, while one-way tickets are almost never discounted. There
are some cheap one-way tickets on "low-cost airlines", but those
airlines only fly within one country or within one region (e.g. Europe,
Southeast Asia), not between regions.
"Could there be the oppurtunity for profit here - selling the return
leg which I would not use?"
No - it would have your name on it, so another person wouldn't be
allowed to use it. If someone tries to sell you an unused airline
ticket it is almost always a scam.
than
one-way?"
Yes. If you simply walk up to an airport counter with a wad of 50 quid
notes and ask for a ticket on the next flight to Kathmandu, a return
ticket would be more expensive than a one-way ticket. But when you buy
tickets in advance from an agent, return tickets are often deeply
discounted, while one-way tickets are almost never discounted. There
are some cheap one-way tickets on "low-cost airlines", but those
airlines only fly within one country or within one region (e.g. Europe,
Southeast Asia), not between regions.
"Could there be the oppurtunity for profit here - selling the return
leg which I would not use?"
No - it would have your name on it, so another person wouldn't be
allowed to use it. If someone tries to sell you an unused airline
ticket it is almost always a scam.
Aug 28th 2005, 2:51 am
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Re: How much (?) should i budget for this trip?
Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Jan <[email protected]> wrote:
> [much deleted]
>> Hi Frank I'm not technically minded. The Op post appeared on my
>> computer complete with "pound" signs.
>> Which is what I said in my reply where indeed ,it does read on my
>> computer as "pounds". However on your reply, my pound sign reads
>> as question marks.
> As your postings also miss the proper encoding and MIME headers, you
> may want to read the instructions I posted earlier today for
> correcting this problem in Outlook Express.
What this below???
No, that's the whole point, it did not 'show' pounds. It 'showed' a
non-ASCII character, hex A3. Because it was not encoded (as it should
have been), its interpretation was undefined. If ones character set
was set to ISO 8859/1, it would come out as a pound symbol, but it's
rather unrealistic to expect such a setting, especially when posting to
international groups, like the OP did.
In short: The OP had:
> Subject: How much (£) should i budget for this trip?
^ unencoded hex A3 character
but it should have had:
> Subject:
> Re: How much (?) should i budget for this trip?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^
as some of the responses had. And it should have had:
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
as some of the responses had, but it didn't.
It's kind of funny/sad when people post a posting like this, i.e.
about a trip to many other countries, and expect people to adapt to
your currency, while you do not adapt to other character sets.
I can't make head nor tail of the above !!! And I'm not fiddling with
things I don't understand. :-)
Which western countries computers don't understand GBP signs??? BTW I
usually put GBP and not the pound sign,
Jan
> Jan <[email protected]> wrote:
> [much deleted]
>> Hi Frank I'm not technically minded. The Op post appeared on my
>> computer complete with "pound" signs.
>> Which is what I said in my reply where indeed ,it does read on my
>> computer as "pounds". However on your reply, my pound sign reads
>> as question marks.
> As your postings also miss the proper encoding and MIME headers, you
> may want to read the instructions I posted earlier today for
> correcting this problem in Outlook Express.
What this below???
No, that's the whole point, it did not 'show' pounds. It 'showed' a
non-ASCII character, hex A3. Because it was not encoded (as it should
have been), its interpretation was undefined. If ones character set
was set to ISO 8859/1, it would come out as a pound symbol, but it's
rather unrealistic to expect such a setting, especially when posting to
international groups, like the OP did.
In short: The OP had:
> Subject: How much (£) should i budget for this trip?
^ unencoded hex A3 character
but it should have had:
> Subject:
> Re: How much (?) should i budget for this trip?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^
as some of the responses had. And it should have had:
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
as some of the responses had, but it didn't.
It's kind of funny/sad when people post a posting like this, i.e.
about a trip to many other countries, and expect people to adapt to
your currency, while you do not adapt to other character sets.
I can't make head nor tail of the above !!! And I'm not fiddling with
things I don't understand. :-)
Which western countries computers don't understand GBP signs??? BTW I
usually put GBP and not the pound sign,
Jan
Aug 28th 2005, 2:56 am
#52
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Re: How much (?) should i budget for this trip?
Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Rubber Ducky <[email protected]> wrote:
> [more wouldbe-pound characters without the required MIME headers]
> See if this helps (in Outlook Express):
> Tools -> Options... -> Send tab -> News Sending Format -> Plain Text
> Settings. I *think* you have "Message format" set to "Uuencode". If
> so, set it to "MIME", set "Encode text using:" to "None" and untic
> (i.e. do *not* set) the "Allow 8-bit characters in headers" option.
> If this works, then set your "Mail Sending Format" the same.
> You're welcome! :-)
Just seen this ....so I'm testing
££££££££££££££
Did that work? :-)
Jan
> Rubber Ducky <[email protected]> wrote:
> [more wouldbe-pound characters without the required MIME headers]
> See if this helps (in Outlook Express):
> Tools -> Options... -> Send tab -> News Sending Format -> Plain Text
> Settings. I *think* you have "Message format" set to "Uuencode". If
> so, set it to "MIME", set "Encode text using:" to "None" and untic
> (i.e. do *not* set) the "Allow 8-bit characters in headers" option.
> If this works, then set your "Mail Sending Format" the same.
> You're welcome! :-)
Just seen this ....so I'm testing
££££££££££££££
Did that work? :-)
Jan
Aug 28th 2005, 2:59 am
#53
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Re: How much (£) should i budget for this trip?
On 28 Aug 2005 07:36:17 -0700, "Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Where did you price these flights? It should be much cheaper than
>that. The airlines' own websites usually give very expensive prices,
>and sites like Expedia, Travelocity, etc. are also usually very
>expensive for intercontinental flights. Your best option is to use a
>company like airtreks.com or trailfinders.co.uk that specializes in
>round-the-world airfares.
>"PERU (Lima) -> SOUTH AFRICA (Cape Town)
>(LIM - CPT, Flight cost ~£2,800)"
>Try Lima -> Buenos Aires, and then Buenos Aires -> Cape Town
>separately.
>"UK (Birmingham) -> GERMANY (Munich)
>BHX - MUC, Flight cost £400) "
>Use Air Berlin or Ryanair or Easyjet to get from London to Munich
>cheaply.
Yeah, just after my previous post, I went and checked Ryan air's
website, and although the current special dates may not suit. as an
example they are currently offering say London (Stansted) to Frankfurt
(Hahn) for 0.05GBP plus taxes.
In fact they are currently offering this same fare structure to many
airports in Europe.
>The flights from Delhi to Bangkok, Bangkok to Hong Kong, and Hong Kong
>to Beijing will all be much cheaper if you buy them in the departure
>city rather than in advance.
>"SOUTH AFRICA (Cape Town) -> EGYPT (Cairo)
>(Overland, estimate £400)"
>Do you have any idea what is involved in going through Sudan, Ethiopia,
>northern Kenya, and Mozambique overland?
>Where did you price these flights? It should be much cheaper than
>that. The airlines' own websites usually give very expensive prices,
>and sites like Expedia, Travelocity, etc. are also usually very
>expensive for intercontinental flights. Your best option is to use a
>company like airtreks.com or trailfinders.co.uk that specializes in
>round-the-world airfares.
>"PERU (Lima) -> SOUTH AFRICA (Cape Town)
>(LIM - CPT, Flight cost ~£2,800)"
>Try Lima -> Buenos Aires, and then Buenos Aires -> Cape Town
>separately.
>"UK (Birmingham) -> GERMANY (Munich)
>BHX - MUC, Flight cost £400) "
>Use Air Berlin or Ryanair or Easyjet to get from London to Munich
>cheaply.
Yeah, just after my previous post, I went and checked Ryan air's
website, and although the current special dates may not suit. as an
example they are currently offering say London (Stansted) to Frankfurt
(Hahn) for 0.05GBP plus taxes.
In fact they are currently offering this same fare structure to many
airports in Europe.
>The flights from Delhi to Bangkok, Bangkok to Hong Kong, and Hong Kong
>to Beijing will all be much cheaper if you buy them in the departure
>city rather than in advance.
>"SOUTH AFRICA (Cape Town) -> EGYPT (Cairo)
>(Overland, estimate £400)"
>Do you have any idea what is involved in going through Sudan, Ethiopia,
>northern Kenya, and Mozambique overland?
Aug 28th 2005, 3:24 am
#54
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Re: How much (£) should i budget for this trip?
On 28 Aug 2005 07:36:17 -0700, the renowned "Iceman"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Where did you price these flights? It should be much cheaper than
>that. The airlines' own websites usually give very expensive prices,
>and sites like Expedia, Travelocity, etc. are also usually very
>expensive for intercontinental flights. Your best option is to use a
>company like airtreks.com or trailfinders.co.uk that specializes in
>round-the-world airfares.
>"PERU (Lima) -> SOUTH AFRICA (Cape Town)
>(LIM - CPT, Flight cost ~£2,800)"
>Try Lima -> Buenos Aires, and then Buenos Aires -> Cape Town
>separately.
>"UK (Birmingham) -> GERMANY (Munich)
>BHX - MUC, Flight cost £400) "
>Use Air Berlin or Ryanair or Easyjet to get from London to Munich
>cheaply.
>The flights from Delhi to Bangkok, Bangkok to Hong Kong, and Hong Kong
>to Beijing will all be much cheaper if you buy them in the departure
>city rather than in advance.
>"SOUTH AFRICA (Cape Town) -> EGYPT (Cairo)
>(Overland, estimate £400)"
>Do you have any idea what is involved in going through Sudan, Ethiopia,
>northern Kenya, and Mozambique overland?
Last time I looked, a link from the LP website gave online price
quotes for all kinds of bizarre itineraries. You might want to look
carefully at the routing, it can suggest more efficient routes to
you-- for example, if you're forced to backtrack or to go via Europe
you might want to incorporate that part of the world in your trip at
that juncture.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
[email protected] Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Where did you price these flights? It should be much cheaper than
>that. The airlines' own websites usually give very expensive prices,
>and sites like Expedia, Travelocity, etc. are also usually very
>expensive for intercontinental flights. Your best option is to use a
>company like airtreks.com or trailfinders.co.uk that specializes in
>round-the-world airfares.
>"PERU (Lima) -> SOUTH AFRICA (Cape Town)
>(LIM - CPT, Flight cost ~£2,800)"
>Try Lima -> Buenos Aires, and then Buenos Aires -> Cape Town
>separately.
>"UK (Birmingham) -> GERMANY (Munich)
>BHX - MUC, Flight cost £400) "
>Use Air Berlin or Ryanair or Easyjet to get from London to Munich
>cheaply.
>The flights from Delhi to Bangkok, Bangkok to Hong Kong, and Hong Kong
>to Beijing will all be much cheaper if you buy them in the departure
>city rather than in advance.
>"SOUTH AFRICA (Cape Town) -> EGYPT (Cairo)
>(Overland, estimate £400)"
>Do you have any idea what is involved in going through Sudan, Ethiopia,
>northern Kenya, and Mozambique overland?
Last time I looked, a link from the LP website gave online price
quotes for all kinds of bizarre itineraries. You might want to look
carefully at the routing, it can suggest more efficient routes to
you-- for example, if you're forced to backtrack or to go via Europe
you might want to incorporate that part of the world in your trip at
that juncture.
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
[email protected] Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com
Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
Aug 28th 2005, 3:47 am
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Re: How much (?) should i budget for this trip?
Jan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Rubber Ducky <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > [more wouldbe-pound characters without the required MIME headers]
> >
> > See if this helps (in Outlook Express):
> >
> > Tools -> Options... -> Send tab -> News Sending Format -> Plain Text
> > Settings. I *think* you have "Message format" set to "Uuencode". If
> > so, set it to "MIME", set "Encode text using:" to "None" and untic
> > (i.e. do *not* set) the "Allow 8-bit characters in headers" option.
> >
> > If this works, then set your "Mail Sending Format" the same.
> >
> > You're welcome! :-)
>
>
> Just seen this ....so I'm testing
>
> ££££££££££££££
>
> Did that work? :-)
Yes! Your headers now contain:
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
The relevant parts are 'charset="iso-8859-1"' and '8bit'. I.e. the
"Mime-Version: 1.0" header says that this article uses MIME
(Multi-purpose Internet Mail Extensions) and the "Content-..." headers
give the details.
So all is well now! Now that wasn't too hard, was it? :-)
BTW, I don't understand what kind of idiotic 'thing' would set OE
"Uuencode", because that's a thing of the (long gone) past. Do you have
any idea how it got set to that?
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Rubber Ducky <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > [more wouldbe-pound characters without the required MIME headers]
> >
> > See if this helps (in Outlook Express):
> >
> > Tools -> Options... -> Send tab -> News Sending Format -> Plain Text
> > Settings. I *think* you have "Message format" set to "Uuencode". If
> > so, set it to "MIME", set "Encode text using:" to "None" and untic
> > (i.e. do *not* set) the "Allow 8-bit characters in headers" option.
> >
> > If this works, then set your "Mail Sending Format" the same.
> >
> > You're welcome! :-)
>
>
> Just seen this ....so I'm testing
>
> ££££££££££££££
>
> Did that work? :-)
Yes! Your headers now contain:
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
The relevant parts are 'charset="iso-8859-1"' and '8bit'. I.e. the
"Mime-Version: 1.0" header says that this article uses MIME
(Multi-purpose Internet Mail Extensions) and the "Content-..." headers
give the details.
So all is well now! Now that wasn't too hard, was it? :-)
BTW, I don't understand what kind of idiotic 'thing' would set OE
"Uuencode", because that's a thing of the (long gone) past. Do you have
any idea how it got set to that?
Aug 28th 2005, 3:51 am
#56
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Re: How much (?) should i budget for this trip?
"Frank Slootweg" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
viestissä:[email protected]. nl...
> "Markku Gr?nroos" <[email protected]> wrote:
> [much deleted]
>> And naturally we are bound to ascii.
> See my posting about Outlook Express, earlier today. Also your "From:"
> line is not properly encoded (the 'o' with double-dot on top should be
> encoded, but isn't).
All terminals interpret characters one way or another. "Properly" here is
something most subjective.
viestissä:[email protected]. nl...
> "Markku Gr?nroos" <[email protected]> wrote:
> [much deleted]
>> And naturally we are bound to ascii.
> See my posting about Outlook Express, earlier today. Also your "From:"
> line is not properly encoded (the 'o' with double-dot on top should be
> encoded, but isn't).
All terminals interpret characters one way or another. "Properly" here is
something most subjective.
Aug 28th 2005, 3:57 am
#57
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Re: How much (?) should i budget for this trip?
Jan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Jan <[email protected]> wrote:
> > [much deleted]
> >> Hi Frank I'm not technically minded. The Op post appeared on my
> >> computer complete with "pound" signs.
> >> Which is what I said in my reply where indeed ,it does read on my
> >> computer as "pounds". However on your reply, my pound sign reads
> >> as question marks.
> >
> > As your postings also miss the proper encoding and MIME headers, you
> > may want to read the instructions I posted earlier today for
> > correcting this problem in Outlook Express.
>
> What this below???
No, my other post, which you saw later and responded to. I have also
responded there. Just following up the other points here.
[deleted]
> Which western countries computers don't understand GBP signs???
Well, *my* "Newsgroups:" header/list (also) says "rec.travel.asia"!
What about yours? :-) I.e. this is not the UK or Europe or "western
countries".
> BTW I usually put GBP and not the pound sign,
Very wise, i.e. why make things difficult when there is a simple
solution? In the past I didn't use the Dutch guilder/florin symbol
either, and now don't use the Euro symbol, but just say "EUR" or "Euro".
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Jan <[email protected]> wrote:
> > [much deleted]
> >> Hi Frank I'm not technically minded. The Op post appeared on my
> >> computer complete with "pound" signs.
> >> Which is what I said in my reply where indeed ,it does read on my
> >> computer as "pounds". However on your reply, my pound sign reads
> >> as question marks.
> >
> > As your postings also miss the proper encoding and MIME headers, you
> > may want to read the instructions I posted earlier today for
> > correcting this problem in Outlook Express.
>
> What this below???
No, my other post, which you saw later and responded to. I have also
responded there. Just following up the other points here.
[deleted]
> Which western countries computers don't understand GBP signs???
Well, *my* "Newsgroups:" header/list (also) says "rec.travel.asia"!
What about yours? :-) I.e. this is not the UK or Europe or "western
countries".
> BTW I usually put GBP and not the pound sign,
Very wise, i.e. why make things difficult when there is a simple
solution? In the past I didn't use the Dutch guilder/florin symbol
either, and now don't use the Euro symbol, but just say "EUR" or "Euro".
Aug 28th 2005, 4:07 am
#58
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Re: How much (?) should i budget for this trip?
Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Jan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Rubber Ducky <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> [more wouldbe-pound characters without the required MIME headers]
>>> See if this helps (in Outlook Express):
>>> Tools -> Options... -> Send tab -> News Sending Format -> Plain
>>> Text Settings. I *think* you have "Message format" set to
>>> "Uuencode". If so, set it to "MIME", set "Encode text using:" to
>>> "None" and untic (i.e. do *not* set) the "Allow 8-bit characters in
>>> headers" option.
>>> If this works, then set your "Mail Sending Format" the same.
>>> You're welcome! :-)
>> Just seen this ....so I'm testing
>> ££££££££££££££
>> Did that work? :-)
> Yes! Your headers now contain:
>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> format=flowed;
>> charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> The relevant parts are 'charset="iso-8859-1"' and '8bit'. I.e. the
> "Mime-Version: 1.0" header says that this article uses MIME
> (Multi-purpose Internet Mail Extensions) and the "Content-..." headers
> give the details.
> So all is well now! Now that wasn't too hard, was it? :-)
> BTW, I don't understand what kind of idiotic 'thing' would set OE
> "Uuencode", because that's a thing of the (long gone) past. Do you
> have any idea how it got set to that?
I'm using a Gateway laptop, less than 2 months old. It was on its original
settings. The only change I'd made was to Download "QuoteFix".
Do I need to alter my mail settings too?
Jan
> Jan <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Rubber Ducky <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> [more wouldbe-pound characters without the required MIME headers]
>>> See if this helps (in Outlook Express):
>>> Tools -> Options... -> Send tab -> News Sending Format -> Plain
>>> Text Settings. I *think* you have "Message format" set to
>>> "Uuencode". If so, set it to "MIME", set "Encode text using:" to
>>> "None" and untic (i.e. do *not* set) the "Allow 8-bit characters in
>>> headers" option.
>>> If this works, then set your "Mail Sending Format" the same.
>>> You're welcome! :-)
>> Just seen this ....so I'm testing
>> ££££££££££££££
>> Did that work? :-)
> Yes! Your headers now contain:
>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> format=flowed;
>> charset="iso-8859-1";
>> reply-type=original
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
> The relevant parts are 'charset="iso-8859-1"' and '8bit'. I.e. the
> "Mime-Version: 1.0" header says that this article uses MIME
> (Multi-purpose Internet Mail Extensions) and the "Content-..." headers
> give the details.
> So all is well now! Now that wasn't too hard, was it? :-)
> BTW, I don't understand what kind of idiotic 'thing' would set OE
> "Uuencode", because that's a thing of the (long gone) past. Do you
> have any idea how it got set to that?
I'm using a Gateway laptop, less than 2 months old. It was on its original
settings. The only change I'd made was to Download "QuoteFix".
Do I need to alter my mail settings too?
Jan
Aug 28th 2005, 5:44 am
#59
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Re: How much (?) should i budget for this trip?
Jan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
[much deleted]
> > BTW, I don't understand what kind of idiotic 'thing' would set OE
> > "Uuencode", because that's a thing of the (long gone) past. Do you
> > have any idea how it got set to that?
>
> I'm using a Gateway laptop, less than 2 months old. It was on its
> original settings. The only change I'd made was to Download
> "QuoteFix".
Thanks for the feedback. Strange that some company (i.e. either
Microsoft or Gateway) would set/default_to such a strange setting.
I wonder how it was for "Rubber Ducky"/David, i.e. who set it to
"Uuencode"?
> Do I need to alter my mail settings too?
Yes, it's the same issue. If you correspond with someone who may not
have set his/her native character set to ISO 8859/1, your special (i.e.
non-ASCII) characters will come out wrong. Note that that has nothing to
do with were they *live*, but what their native setting is, i.e. for
example a Polish person in London.
For some idea what ISO 8859/X is all about, see for example
<http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859.html> (That's not the best
reference, but just the one Google gave for an "I'm Feeling Lucky"
search on "ISO 8859".)
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
[much deleted]
> > BTW, I don't understand what kind of idiotic 'thing' would set OE
> > "Uuencode", because that's a thing of the (long gone) past. Do you
> > have any idea how it got set to that?
>
> I'm using a Gateway laptop, less than 2 months old. It was on its
> original settings. The only change I'd made was to Download
> "QuoteFix".
Thanks for the feedback. Strange that some company (i.e. either
Microsoft or Gateway) would set/default_to such a strange setting.
I wonder how it was for "Rubber Ducky"/David, i.e. who set it to
"Uuencode"?
> Do I need to alter my mail settings too?
Yes, it's the same issue. If you correspond with someone who may not
have set his/her native character set to ISO 8859/1, your special (i.e.
non-ASCII) characters will come out wrong. Note that that has nothing to
do with were they *live*, but what their native setting is, i.e. for
example a Polish person in London.
For some idea what ISO 8859/X is all about, see for example
<http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859.html> (That's not the best
reference, but just the one Google gave for an "I'm Feeling Lucky"
search on "ISO 8859".)
Aug 28th 2005, 5:44 am
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Re: How much (?) should i budget for this trip?
"Markku Gr?nroos" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> "Frank Slootweg" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
> viestiss?:[email protected] l...
> > "Markku Gr?nroos" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > [much deleted]
> >> And naturally we are bound to ascii.
> >
> > See my posting about Outlook Express, earlier today. Also your "From:"
> > line is not properly encoded (the 'o' with double-dot on top should be
> > encoded, but isn't).
>
> All terminals interpret characters one way or another. "Properly" here is
> something most subjective.
No, it isn't. That is why MIME, ISO 8859/X, etc. were invented. If you
properly encode, then anyone with a MIME compliant newsreader can
properly display the 'o' with double-dot on top, provided of course that
the display device can respresent that symbol.
So why don't you just change the setting? Do you *want* to make it
difficult/impossible for people to see the proper spelling of your
name?
>
> "Frank Slootweg" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
> viestiss?:[email protected] l...
> > "Markku Gr?nroos" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > [much deleted]
> >> And naturally we are bound to ascii.
> >
> > See my posting about Outlook Express, earlier today. Also your "From:"
> > line is not properly encoded (the 'o' with double-dot on top should be
> > encoded, but isn't).
>
> All terminals interpret characters one way or another. "Properly" here is
> something most subjective.
No, it isn't. That is why MIME, ISO 8859/X, etc. were invented. If you
properly encode, then anyone with a MIME compliant newsreader can
properly display the 'o' with double-dot on top, provided of course that
the display device can respresent that symbol.
So why don't you just change the setting? Do you *want* to make it
difficult/impossible for people to see the proper spelling of your
name?
