how important is it to get to versailles early?
Jul 20th 2004, 7:36 am
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how important is it to get to versailles early?
Hi there,from what i read getting to versailles before nine will avoid
queuing.From the map I reckoned to get there at nine would involve the
following:
leaving your downtown hotel around 7
getting to gare 'd Austerlitz by metro 7:20
queing for & buying ticket to versailles 7:45
finding platform 7:50
train arrives,embark 8:05
arriving versailles,disembark 8:40
walking from station to palace gate 8:55
This means getting up before six & skipping breakfast at the hotel
.
I wondered if someone who already went would share his/her
observations of queue sizes.I would be willing to wait 10 or 15
minutes in the queue if it meant i could enjoy a nice breakfast.but i
would dread to spend 45 or 100 minutes standing up.
also at versailles is it 1 queue at the gate or 1 queue per building?
Many Thanks,
Sam
queuing.From the map I reckoned to get there at nine would involve the
following:
leaving your downtown hotel around 7
getting to gare 'd Austerlitz by metro 7:20
queing for & buying ticket to versailles 7:45
finding platform 7:50
train arrives,embark 8:05
arriving versailles,disembark 8:40
walking from station to palace gate 8:55
This means getting up before six & skipping breakfast at the hotel
.
I wondered if someone who already went would share his/her
observations of queue sizes.I would be willing to wait 10 or 15
minutes in the queue if it meant i could enjoy a nice breakfast.but i
would dread to spend 45 or 100 minutes standing up.
also at versailles is it 1 queue at the gate or 1 queue per building?
Many Thanks,
Sam
Jul 20th 2004, 11:31 am
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Re: how important is it to get to versailles early?
Early is not particularly useful. You will have a bit of a wait for the
tours but it can be well spent in the gardens or having a snack for
lunch. There isn't much of a queue but you will have a wait until your
ticket time.
Sam wrote:
> Hi there,from what i read getting to versailles before nine will avoid
> queuing.From the map I reckoned to get there at nine would involve the
> following:
>
> leaving your downtown hotel around 7
> getting to gare 'd Austerlitz by metro 7:20
> queing for & buying ticket to versailles 7:45
> finding platform 7:50
> train arrives,embark 8:05
> arriving versailles,disembark 8:40
> walking from station to palace gate 8:55
>
> This means getting up before six & skipping breakfast at the hotel
> .
> I wondered if someone who already went would share his/her
> observations of queue sizes.I would be willing to wait 10 or 15
> minutes in the queue if it meant i could enjoy a nice breakfast.but i
> would dread to spend 45 or 100 minutes standing up.
>
> also at versailles is it 1 queue at the gate or 1 queue per building?
>
> Many Thanks,
>
> Sam
tours but it can be well spent in the gardens or having a snack for
lunch. There isn't much of a queue but you will have a wait until your
ticket time.
Sam wrote:
> Hi there,from what i read getting to versailles before nine will avoid
> queuing.From the map I reckoned to get there at nine would involve the
> following:
>
> leaving your downtown hotel around 7
> getting to gare 'd Austerlitz by metro 7:20
> queing for & buying ticket to versailles 7:45
> finding platform 7:50
> train arrives,embark 8:05
> arriving versailles,disembark 8:40
> walking from station to palace gate 8:55
>
> This means getting up before six & skipping breakfast at the hotel
> .
> I wondered if someone who already went would share his/her
> observations of queue sizes.I would be willing to wait 10 or 15
> minutes in the queue if it meant i could enjoy a nice breakfast.but i
> would dread to spend 45 or 100 minutes standing up.
>
> also at versailles is it 1 queue at the gate or 1 queue per building?
>
> Many Thanks,
>
> Sam
Jul 20th 2004, 4:20 pm
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Re: how important is it to get to versailles early?
Sam writes:
> Hi there,from what i read getting to versailles before nine will avoid
> queuing.
Since Versailles takes up a full day, waiting in a queue doesn't matter
much. I don't personally think that Versailles is worth queuing for,
but tourists do it anyway, since they've been led to believe that it's a
fabulous experience.
> I wondered if someone who already went would share his/her
> observations of queue sizes.
That depends on time of year, weather, day of week, etc., but they can
vary from scarcely anything at all to 60-120 minutes, occasionally more.
In long queues a large portion of the queue is outside.
> I would be willing to wait 10 or 15 minutes in the queue if
> it meant i could enjoy a nice breakfast.but i would dread to spend
> 45 or 100 minutes standing up.
Versailles is not worth a 100-minute queue, and perhaps not even a
45-minute queue.
However, if you can't stand up for 100 minutes, you shouldn't go to
Versailles at all. There is virtually no place to sit down, and it's an
entire day or half-day of extensive walking.
> also at versailles is it 1 queue at the gate or 1 queue per building?
Typically one queue for each type of tour, so two or three queues, plus
another wait for the tour to actually start.
There are no queues for the gardens.
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> Hi there,from what i read getting to versailles before nine will avoid
> queuing.
Since Versailles takes up a full day, waiting in a queue doesn't matter
much. I don't personally think that Versailles is worth queuing for,
but tourists do it anyway, since they've been led to believe that it's a
fabulous experience.
> I wondered if someone who already went would share his/her
> observations of queue sizes.
That depends on time of year, weather, day of week, etc., but they can
vary from scarcely anything at all to 60-120 minutes, occasionally more.
In long queues a large portion of the queue is outside.
> I would be willing to wait 10 or 15 minutes in the queue if
> it meant i could enjoy a nice breakfast.but i would dread to spend
> 45 or 100 minutes standing up.
Versailles is not worth a 100-minute queue, and perhaps not even a
45-minute queue.
However, if you can't stand up for 100 minutes, you shouldn't go to
Versailles at all. There is virtually no place to sit down, and it's an
entire day or half-day of extensive walking.
> also at versailles is it 1 queue at the gate or 1 queue per building?
Typically one queue for each type of tour, so two or three queues, plus
another wait for the tour to actually start.
There are no queues for the gardens.
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Jul 20th 2004, 9:25 pm
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Re: how important is it to get to versailles early?
could i buy my return ticket the night before? do i buy it from the
gare or can i get a multizone ticket from any metro station?
thanks
"Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Early is not particularly useful. You will have a bit of a wait for the
> tours but it can be well spent in the gardens or having a snack for
> lunch. There isn't much of a queue but you will have a wait until your
> ticket time.
>
> Sam wrote:
>
> > Hi there,from what i read getting to versailles before nine will avoid
> > queuing.From the map I reckoned to get there at nine would involve the
> > following:
> >
> > leaving your downtown hotel around 7
> > getting to gare 'd Austerlitz by metro 7:20
> > queing for & buying ticket to versailles 7:45
> > finding platform 7:50
> > train arrives,embark 8:05
> > arriving versailles,disembark 8:40
> > walking from station to palace gate 8:55
> >
> > This means getting up before six & skipping breakfast at the hotel
> > .
> > I wondered if someone who already went would share his/her
> > observations of queue sizes.I would be willing to wait 10 or 15
> > minutes in the queue if it meant i could enjoy a nice breakfast.but i
> > would dread to spend 45 or 100 minutes standing up.
> >
> > also at versailles is it 1 queue at the gate or 1 queue per building?
> >
> > Many Thanks,
> >
> > Sam
gare or can i get a multizone ticket from any metro station?
thanks
"Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> Early is not particularly useful. You will have a bit of a wait for the
> tours but it can be well spent in the gardens or having a snack for
> lunch. There isn't much of a queue but you will have a wait until your
> ticket time.
>
> Sam wrote:
>
> > Hi there,from what i read getting to versailles before nine will avoid
> > queuing.From the map I reckoned to get there at nine would involve the
> > following:
> >
> > leaving your downtown hotel around 7
> > getting to gare 'd Austerlitz by metro 7:20
> > queing for & buying ticket to versailles 7:45
> > finding platform 7:50
> > train arrives,embark 8:05
> > arriving versailles,disembark 8:40
> > walking from station to palace gate 8:55
> >
> > This means getting up before six & skipping breakfast at the hotel
> > .
> > I wondered if someone who already went would share his/her
> > observations of queue sizes.I would be willing to wait 10 or 15
> > minutes in the queue if it meant i could enjoy a nice breakfast.but i
> > would dread to spend 45 or 100 minutes standing up.
> >
> > also at versailles is it 1 queue at the gate or 1 queue per building?
> >
> > Many Thanks,
> >
> > Sam
Jul 21st 2004, 1:50 am
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Re: how important is it to get to versailles early?
Sam writes:
> could i buy my return ticket the night before? do i buy it from the
> gare or can i get a multizone ticket from any metro station?
It only takes a few seconds to buy a ticket. Versailles is in Zone 4 on
Métro/RER tickets.
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> could i buy my return ticket the night before? do i buy it from the
> gare or can i get a multizone ticket from any metro station?
It only takes a few seconds to buy a ticket. Versailles is in Zone 4 on
Métro/RER tickets.
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Jul 22nd 2004, 4:15 pm
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Re: how important is it to get to versailles early?
I'm sorry for the confusion. The tickets were those for the tours of
the building.
Sam wrote:
> could i buy my return ticket the night before? do i buy it from the
> gare or can i get a multizone ticket from any metro station?
>
> thanks
>
> "Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>Early is not particularly useful. You will have a bit of a wait for the
>>tours but it can be well spent in the gardens or having a snack for
>>lunch. There isn't much of a queue but you will have a wait until your
>>ticket time.
>>Sam wrote:
>>>Hi there,from what i read getting to versailles before nine will avoid
>>>queuing.From the map I reckoned to get there at nine would involve the
>>>following:
>>>
>>>leaving your downtown hotel around 7
>>>getting to gare 'd Austerlitz by metro 7:20
>>>queing for & buying ticket to versailles 7:45
>>>finding platform 7:50
>>>train arrives,embark 8:05
>>>arriving versailles,disembark 8:40
>>>walking from station to palace gate 8:55
>>>This means getting up before six & skipping breakfast at the hotel
>>>.
>>>I wondered if someone who already went would share his/her
>>>observations of queue sizes.I would be willing to wait 10 or 15
>>>minutes in the queue if it meant i could enjoy a nice breakfast.but i
>>>would dread to spend 45 or 100 minutes standing up.
>>>also at versailles is it 1 queue at the gate or 1 queue per building?
>>>Many Thanks,
>>>Sam
the building.
Sam wrote:
> could i buy my return ticket the night before? do i buy it from the
> gare or can i get a multizone ticket from any metro station?
>
> thanks
>
> "Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>Early is not particularly useful. You will have a bit of a wait for the
>>tours but it can be well spent in the gardens or having a snack for
>>lunch. There isn't much of a queue but you will have a wait until your
>>ticket time.
>>Sam wrote:
>>>Hi there,from what i read getting to versailles before nine will avoid
>>>queuing.From the map I reckoned to get there at nine would involve the
>>>following:
>>>
>>>leaving your downtown hotel around 7
>>>getting to gare 'd Austerlitz by metro 7:20
>>>queing for & buying ticket to versailles 7:45
>>>finding platform 7:50
>>>train arrives,embark 8:05
>>>arriving versailles,disembark 8:40
>>>walking from station to palace gate 8:55
>>>This means getting up before six & skipping breakfast at the hotel
>>>.
>>>I wondered if someone who already went would share his/her
>>>observations of queue sizes.I would be willing to wait 10 or 15
>>>minutes in the queue if it meant i could enjoy a nice breakfast.but i
>>>would dread to spend 45 or 100 minutes standing up.
>>>also at versailles is it 1 queue at the gate or 1 queue per building?
>>>Many Thanks,
>>>Sam
Jul 23rd 2004, 4:44 am
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Re: how important is it to get to versailles early?
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 07:20:26 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:
> Sam writes:
>
>> Hi there,from what i read getting to versailles before nine will avoid
>> queuing.
>
> Since Versailles takes up a full day, waiting in a queue doesn't matter
> much. I don't personally think that Versailles is worth queuing for,
> but tourists do it anyway, since they've been led to believe that it's a
> fabulous experience.
I'll agree with that - we've been a few times lately with visitors and I
don't think it's worth the bother. The gardens are nice, though.
Along similar lines, I prefer Chantilly since it's not as busy and not as
intensely artificial as Versailles, but it's harder to get to by public
transport.
J;
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> Sam writes:
>
>> Hi there,from what i read getting to versailles before nine will avoid
>> queuing.
>
> Since Versailles takes up a full day, waiting in a queue doesn't matter
> much. I don't personally think that Versailles is worth queuing for,
> but tourists do it anyway, since they've been led to believe that it's a
> fabulous experience.
I'll agree with that - we've been a few times lately with visitors and I
don't think it's worth the bother. The gardens are nice, though.
Along similar lines, I prefer Chantilly since it's not as busy and not as
intensely artificial as Versailles, but it's harder to get to by public
transport.
J;
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Jul 24th 2004, 6:12 pm
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In article <[email protected]>,
Jeremy Henderson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Since Versailles takes up a full day, waiting in a queue doesn't matter
> > much. I don't personally think that Versailles is worth queuing for,
> > but tourists do it anyway, since they've been led to believe that it's a
> > fabulous experience.
>
> I'll agree with that - we've been a few times lately with visitors and I
> don't think it's worth the bother. The gardens are nice, though.
Yeah if you've seen one palace or castle with gilded decorations...
Stuff kind of leaves me cold, all the ostentation. Louis XIV was
magnificent but unless you were in the royal court, life must have been
pretty miserable for the average folk.
I suppose hundreds of years from now, tourists will be going to all the
mansions and estates which are being built now, kind of like San Simeon
and other American "palaces."
Jeremy Henderson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Since Versailles takes up a full day, waiting in a queue doesn't matter
> > much. I don't personally think that Versailles is worth queuing for,
> > but tourists do it anyway, since they've been led to believe that it's a
> > fabulous experience.
>
> I'll agree with that - we've been a few times lately with visitors and I
> don't think it's worth the bother. The gardens are nice, though.
Yeah if you've seen one palace or castle with gilded decorations...
Stuff kind of leaves me cold, all the ostentation. Louis XIV was
magnificent but unless you were in the royal court, life must have been
pretty miserable for the average folk.
I suppose hundreds of years from now, tourists will be going to all the
mansions and estates which are being built now, kind of like San Simeon
and other American "palaces."
Jul 24th 2004, 8:06 pm
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poldy writes:
> Stuff kind of leaves me cold, all the ostentation. Louis XIV was
> magnificent but unless you were in the royal court, life must have been
> pretty miserable for the average folk.
Life was miserable enough for the royals, back in those days. Comforts
we take for granted in all levels of society simply didn't exist for
_anyone_ back then.
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> Stuff kind of leaves me cold, all the ostentation. Louis XIV was
> magnificent but unless you were in the royal court, life must have been
> pretty miserable for the average folk.
Life was miserable enough for the royals, back in those days. Comforts
we take for granted in all levels of society simply didn't exist for
_anyone_ back then.
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Jul 24th 2004, 8:45 pm
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Re: how important is it to get to versailles early?
On 25/07/04 10:06, in article [email protected],
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
> poldy writes:
>
>> Stuff kind of leaves me cold, all the ostentation. Louis XIV was
>> magnificent but unless you were in the royal court, life must have been
>> pretty miserable for the average folk.
>
> Life was miserable enough for the royals, back in those days. Comforts
> we take for granted in all levels of society simply didn't exist for
> _anyone_ back then.
?? Food was great in the Bastille!
Earl
From Jacques Hillairet`s ³Gibet, Piloris et Cachots du Vieux Paris²
The Bastille Prison's food service--
Le gouverneur touchait du roi, avons-nous dit, pour la nourriture et
l'entretien de ses prisonniers (habillement, blanchissage, chauffage et
éclairage), 50 livres par jour pour un prince du sang, 36 pour un maréchal
de France, 24 pour un lieutenant-général, 15 pour un conseiller au
Parlement, 10 pour un juge, un prêtre, un financier, 5 pour un avocat et un
bourgeois, 3 pour un petit bourgeois et 2 livres 10 sols pour les personnes
de condition inférieure.
Aussi les repas, qui étaient servis individuellement à 7 heures du matin
(déjeuner), à 11 heures (dîner) et à 6 heures du soir (souper), furent-ils
toujours copieux, voire même somptueux. Citons Marmontel, enfermé en 1759: ~
³Voilà mes deux geôliers qui rentrent avec des pyramides de plats dans les
mains, beau linge, belle faïence, cuillère et fourchette d'argent. Ce dîner
était gras; en voici le détail: un excellent potage, une tranche de b¦uf
succulent, une cuisse de chapon bouilli ruisselant de graisse et fondant, un
petit plat d'artichauts frits en marinade, un d'épinards, une très belle
poire de crésane, du raisin frais, une bouteille de vin vieux de Bourgogne
et du meilleur café de Moka³
Sous Louis XIV, quelques prisonniers demandérent au gouverneur d'avoir un
régime alimentaire plus modeste et de recevoir en argent ce qu'ils ne
mangeraient pas; ils proposèrent même au gouverneur de partager avec lui le
montant de l'économie qui scrait ainsi faite
Latude, qui avait été jusqu'alors un pauvre hère, ne s'est-il pas plaint de
ce que les poulets qu'on lui servait « étaient insuffisamment lardés » ? ‹
Tavernier, autre pauvre hère‹un des sept prisonniers qui furent libérés le
14 juillet 1789 (il était enfermé depuis 1757) ‹reçut, en supplément de ses
repas ordinaires, en mai 1787: une livre et demie de tabac, 4 bouteilles
d'eau-de-vie, 62 de vin, 31 de bière, 30 livres de pain, 3 livres de
chandelles, des pigeons, 2 livres de café, 3 de sucre; en novembre 1788: du
tabac, 4 bouteilles d'eau-de-vie, 60 de vin, 30 de bière, 2 livres de café,
3 de sucre, une dinde, des huîtres, des châtaignes, des pommes et des
poires; en mars 1789: du tabac , 4 bouteille es d 'eau-d e-vie, 45 de vin,
60 de bière, café, sucre, poulet, fromage...
Constantin de Renneville, cité plus haut, a énuméré dans son ouvrage les
repas qu'on lui servait: ³Il y avait toujours plusieurs plats, potage,
entrée, relevées, dessert à chaque dîner, deux bouteilles de vin, bourgogne
ou champagne; on en servait une troisième pour les besoins de la journée,
aussi l'appétit le plus robuste ne suffisait-il pas à tout consommer .. Les
vendredis et jours de carême « j'avais, a-t-il dit, six plats et une soupe
d'écrevisses admirable. Parmi mon poisson, il y avait une vive fort belle,
une grande sole frite et une perche... Je demandais à mon geôlier si je
payerais ma nourriture. Il me dit que je n'avais qu'Ã demander ce qui,
naturellement, pourrait me faire plaisir et que Sa Majesté payait tout²
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
> poldy writes:
>
>> Stuff kind of leaves me cold, all the ostentation. Louis XIV was
>> magnificent but unless you were in the royal court, life must have been
>> pretty miserable for the average folk.
>
> Life was miserable enough for the royals, back in those days. Comforts
> we take for granted in all levels of society simply didn't exist for
> _anyone_ back then.
?? Food was great in the Bastille!
Earl
From Jacques Hillairet`s ³Gibet, Piloris et Cachots du Vieux Paris²
The Bastille Prison's food service--
Le gouverneur touchait du roi, avons-nous dit, pour la nourriture et
l'entretien de ses prisonniers (habillement, blanchissage, chauffage et
éclairage), 50 livres par jour pour un prince du sang, 36 pour un maréchal
de France, 24 pour un lieutenant-général, 15 pour un conseiller au
Parlement, 10 pour un juge, un prêtre, un financier, 5 pour un avocat et un
bourgeois, 3 pour un petit bourgeois et 2 livres 10 sols pour les personnes
de condition inférieure.
Aussi les repas, qui étaient servis individuellement à 7 heures du matin
(déjeuner), à 11 heures (dîner) et à 6 heures du soir (souper), furent-ils
toujours copieux, voire même somptueux. Citons Marmontel, enfermé en 1759: ~
³Voilà mes deux geôliers qui rentrent avec des pyramides de plats dans les
mains, beau linge, belle faïence, cuillère et fourchette d'argent. Ce dîner
était gras; en voici le détail: un excellent potage, une tranche de b¦uf
succulent, une cuisse de chapon bouilli ruisselant de graisse et fondant, un
petit plat d'artichauts frits en marinade, un d'épinards, une très belle
poire de crésane, du raisin frais, une bouteille de vin vieux de Bourgogne
et du meilleur café de Moka³
Sous Louis XIV, quelques prisonniers demandérent au gouverneur d'avoir un
régime alimentaire plus modeste et de recevoir en argent ce qu'ils ne
mangeraient pas; ils proposèrent même au gouverneur de partager avec lui le
montant de l'économie qui scrait ainsi faite
Latude, qui avait été jusqu'alors un pauvre hère, ne s'est-il pas plaint de
ce que les poulets qu'on lui servait « étaient insuffisamment lardés » ? ‹
Tavernier, autre pauvre hère‹un des sept prisonniers qui furent libérés le
14 juillet 1789 (il était enfermé depuis 1757) ‹reçut, en supplément de ses
repas ordinaires, en mai 1787: une livre et demie de tabac, 4 bouteilles
d'eau-de-vie, 62 de vin, 31 de bière, 30 livres de pain, 3 livres de
chandelles, des pigeons, 2 livres de café, 3 de sucre; en novembre 1788: du
tabac, 4 bouteilles d'eau-de-vie, 60 de vin, 30 de bière, 2 livres de café,
3 de sucre, une dinde, des huîtres, des châtaignes, des pommes et des
poires; en mars 1789: du tabac , 4 bouteille es d 'eau-d e-vie, 45 de vin,
60 de bière, café, sucre, poulet, fromage...
Constantin de Renneville, cité plus haut, a énuméré dans son ouvrage les
repas qu'on lui servait: ³Il y avait toujours plusieurs plats, potage,
entrée, relevées, dessert à chaque dîner, deux bouteilles de vin, bourgogne
ou champagne; on en servait une troisième pour les besoins de la journée,
aussi l'appétit le plus robuste ne suffisait-il pas à tout consommer .. Les
vendredis et jours de carême « j'avais, a-t-il dit, six plats et une soupe
d'écrevisses admirable. Parmi mon poisson, il y avait une vive fort belle,
une grande sole frite et une perche... Je demandais à mon geôlier si je
payerais ma nourriture. Il me dit que je n'avais qu'Ã demander ce qui,
naturellement, pourrait me faire plaisir et que Sa Majesté payait tout²
Jul 24th 2004, 11:18 pm
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Earl Evleth writes:
> ?? Food was great in the Bastille!
What kind of shower and toilet facilities did the prisoners have? For
that matter, what did the king have?
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> ?? Food was great in the Bastille!
What kind of shower and toilet facilities did the prisoners have? For
that matter, what did the king have?
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Jul 24th 2004, 11:37 pm
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On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:18:37 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Earl Evleth writes:
...
... > ?? Food was great in the Bastille!
...
... What kind of shower and toilet facilities did the prisoners have? For
... that matter, what did the king have?
Une chaise percée.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Earl Evleth writes:
...
... > ?? Food was great in the Bastille!
...
... What kind of shower and toilet facilities did the prisoners have? For
... that matter, what did the king have?
Une chaise percée.
Jul 25th 2004, 3:30 am
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Re: how important is it to get to versailles early?
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Mxsmanic) wrote:
> Life was miserable enough for the royals, back in those days. Comforts
> we take for granted in all levels of society simply didn't exist for
> _anyone_ back then.
Sure - but that didn't necessarily make everybody miserable. The absence
of stuff due to be invented in the year 2168 doesn't lead to general
universal misery today, although there might be some specific miseries
(painful illnesses, for example) that are worse now than they will be in
the future.
[email protected] (Mxsmanic) wrote:
> Life was miserable enough for the royals, back in those days. Comforts
> we take for granted in all levels of society simply didn't exist for
> _anyone_ back then.
Sure - but that didn't necessarily make everybody miserable. The absence
of stuff due to be invented in the year 2168 doesn't lead to general
universal misery today, although there might be some specific miseries
(painful illnesses, for example) that are worse now than they will be in
the future.
Jul 25th 2004, 11:10 am
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Re: how important is it to get to versailles early?
While we're at it, there are a couple of other Parisian landmarks I'm
not too enamored of.
One is the Eiffel Tower and the other is Montmartre. I remember reading
that the clergy commissioned Sacre Coeur as expiation for the sins of
the Communards.
Pissed me off (which must be why the area around Montmartre reeks of
urine).
not too enamored of.
One is the Eiffel Tower and the other is Montmartre. I remember reading
that the clergy commissioned Sacre Coeur as expiation for the sins of
the Communards.
Pissed me off (which must be why the area around Montmartre reeks of
urine).
Jul 25th 2004, 4:14 pm
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Re: how important is it to get to versailles early?
poldy writes:
> Pissed me off (which must be why the area around Montmartre reeks of
> urine).
The area around Montmartre does not reek of urine.
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> Pissed me off (which must be why the area around Montmartre reeks of
> urine).
The area around Montmartre does not reek of urine.
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