Martin

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:33:54 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:25:03 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>"Buzby" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>Ryan Air and Easy Jet are great - I've had several great bargains off them
    >>>>and without exception have always been on time, although I feel for them
    >>>>when it all goes wrong as the wingers who paid £0.10p for their flight start
    >>>>to scream at the merest whiff of a delay.
    >>>If they had paid £100.00 for their flight, would they have been
    >>>entitled to scream?
    >>There is not much point in screaming at the girl at the check in desk.
    >Is it okay to scream if the person at the desk is male?

It's not OK to scream at the poor underpaid staff at the check in
desks at all.

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Martin

Martin

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:19:17 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:

    >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
    >th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
    >[]
    >> >> Oh, those good old Fokkers! (It sounds funnier when they say the
    >> >> plane's name with Dutch pronunication.)
    >>
    >> Duh! How do they say it?
    >Like a Scouser!

Silly bunt :-)
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Martin

Martin

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:40:00 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On an Amsterdam-Bristol Fokker 100 flight on Sunday I couldn't get a
    >>gin and tonic for love nor money, and especially not money. Next time
    >>I'll take my own wodka to add to the orange juice they dispense.
    >It seems to me that many people regard having an alcoholic drink
    >(preferably a free one) as an essential part of flying.

how true :-)

Many people expect & get many free alcoholic drinks.

I always think about this when I drive near the exit from an airport.
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Martin

Martin

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:47:59 +0300, "Markku Grönroos"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
    >viestissä:ctc3g157g2t7vch1u8n2ckpeibrp7sbkp1@4ax .com...
    >> Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>On an Amsterdam-Bristol Fokker 100 flight on Sunday I couldn't get a
    >>>gin and tonic for love nor money, and especially not money. Next time
    >>>I'll take my own wodka to add to the orange juice they dispense.
    >> It seems to me that many people regard having an alcoholic drink
    >> (preferably a free one) as an essential part of flying.
    >And "meals". Also stewardesses in Asian airlines seem to retire at the age
    >of 30 or so.

Air France stewardesses can't be retired early. They keep them unto
they are unable to use their zimmer frames.
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Martin

Martin

On 16 Aug 2005 01:10:17 -0700, "Jordi" <[email protected]> wrote:


    >Just flown them once, from BCN to Shiphol, then to the middle east and
    >back, I had wine on economy on both short hops. Food was a packed
    >sandwich, too.
    >I will be flying them again on September to Kiev, so I will update you
    >on their service then :)

Take a packed lunch and a bottle of wine :-)
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Martin

Martin

On 16 Aug 2005 01:10:17 -0700, "Jordi" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Martin ha escrito:
    >> >Have they? Didn't know that, but I think it could be inevitable.
    >> My son was offered *a* micro sandwich and a soft drink, no wine or
    >> beer. I used to say the food may be crap but at least KLM always have
    >> good wine.
    >> We never understood the micro sandwiches, the main cost is probably
    >> anything but the actual sandwich. the last time I flew with KLM there
    >> were two micro sandwiches each.
    >Just flown them once, from BCN to Shiphol, then to the middle east and
    >back, I had wine on economy on both short hops. Food was a packed
    >sandwich, too.
    >I will be flying them again on September to Kiev, so I will update you
    >on their service then :)

This site used to be good.
http://www.airlinemeals.net/

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Martin

Jim Ley

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:35:32 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>Easyjet asked me for the number once when I didn't have it. They
    >>then looked it up for me, while admittedly also sighing and giving me
    >>pitying looks.
    >Given Ryanair's attitude to customer relations, do you think they
    >would act in the same way?

When I've not had the code they've just said fine, no problem, didn't
look it up for me, but then I had no use for it anyway.

Jim.

Jim Ley

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:55:19 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:33:54 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>Is it okay to scream if the person at the desk is male?
    >It's not OK to scream at the poor underpaid staff at the check in
    >desks at all.

what if they're a little hard of hearing, should we just get them
fired?

Jim.

Martin

On 16 Aug 2005 10:43:33 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> writes:
    >> Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >On an Amsterdam-Bristol Fokker 100 flight on Sunday I couldn't get a
    >> >gin and tonic for love nor money, and especially not money. Next time
    >> >I'll take my own wodka to add to the orange juice they dispense.
    >> It seems to me that many people regard having an alcoholic drink
    >> (preferably a free one) as an essential part of flying.
    >I certainly do, but I am ready and willing to pay cold hard cash if
    >that's what it takes. I would certainly like to have a frank exchange
    >of views with the KLM strategy personoid that decided "giving" (i.e.,
    >bundling into the ticket price) people something they don't want is a
    >better strategy than selling (i.e., exchanging for additional cash)
    >them something they do.

KLM strategy personoids = The accountants who run the airline?
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Martin

Padraig Breathnach

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:40:00 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>It seems to me that many people regard having an alcoholic drink
    >>(preferably a free one) as an essential part of flying.
    >how true :-)
    >Many people expect & get many free alcoholic drinks.
    >I always think about this when I drive near the exit from an airport.

There is a great psychological divide between being a passenger in a
plane and the driver of a car. It's not invariably matched by a
sufficient time divide.

I note a parallel phenomenon on car ferries.

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Padraig Breathnach

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:33:54 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:25:03 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
    >>><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>"Buzby" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>Ryan Air and Easy Jet are great - I've had several great bargains off them
    >>>>>and without exception have always been on time, although I feel for them
    >>>>>when it all goes wrong as the wingers who paid £0.10p for their flight start
    >>>>>to scream at the merest whiff of a delay.
    >>>>If they had paid £100.00 for their flight, would they have been
    >>>>entitled to scream?
    >>>There is not much point in screaming at the girl at the check in desk.
    >>Is it okay to scream if the person at the desk is male?
    >It's not OK to scream at the poor underpaid staff at the check in
    >desks at all.

For some, it's therapy. But the check-in staff are not paid to be
therapists.

Then there are the idiots who think it makes a difference to airline
performance.

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Martin

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:07:10 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:

    >On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:55:19 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:33:54 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>Is it okay to scream if the person at the desk is male?
    >>It's not OK to scream at the poor underpaid staff at the check in
    >>desks at all.
    >what if they're a little hard of hearing, should we just get them
    >fired?


Shout, but not scream, like you would to a foreigner? :-)
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Martin

Martin

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:29:14 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:40:00 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>It seems to me that many people regard having an alcoholic drink
    >>>(preferably a free one) as an essential part of flying.
    >>how true :-)
    >>Many people expect & get many free alcoholic drinks.
    >>I always think about this when I drive near the exit from an airport.
    >There is a great psychological divide between being a passenger in a
    >plane and the driver of a car. It's not invariably matched by a
    >sufficient time divide.

It's surprising that car hire desks at airports don't breathalyse
customers before handing over a car.

    >I note a parallel phenomenon on car ferries.

Me too.
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Martin

Martin

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:31:38 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:33:54 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
    >><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:25:03 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
    >>>><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>"Buzby" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>>Ryan Air and Easy Jet are great - I've had several great bargains off them
    >>>>>>and without exception have always been on time, although I feel for them
    >>>>>>when it all goes wrong as the wingers who paid £0.10p for their flight start
    >>>>>>to scream at the merest whiff of a delay.
    >>>>>If they had paid £100.00 for their flight, would they have been
    >>>>>entitled to scream?
    >>>>There is not much point in screaming at the girl at the check in desk.
    >>>Is it okay to scream if the person at the desk is male?
    >>It's not OK to scream at the poor underpaid staff at the check in
    >>desks at all.
    >For some, it's therapy. But the check-in staff are not paid to be
    >therapists.

Exactly.

    >Then there are the idiots who think it makes a difference to airline
    >performance.

The Easyjet airline programs shown on TV rely people being late and
screaming at the check in staff.
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Martin

Kristian

Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

    >>Then there are the idiots who think it makes a difference to airline
    >>performance.
    >The Easyjet airline programs shown on TV rely people being late and
    >screaming at the check in staff.

I think the Easy Jet programs were taped quite a number of years ago,
when people were still learning what low cost airlines were all about.
But it was intertaining to watch some of those pompous as******
say things like "Ehmm...next time I shall certainly fly a decent
airliner, like BA." Like hell they would.

Kristian