Hooray for Ryanair !
Aug 15th 2005, 7:48 pm
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>>It's a silly requirement. It prevents students without a credit card
>>using tickets their parents have booked for them.
> IME the airlines that adopt that policy also have a policy that the
> cardholder must be one of the passengers. I remember being unable to
> book a flight on behalf of someone else using my own credit card
> because I wasn't travelling (IIRC it was either Easyjet or BA)
It's to prevent fraud. I was dealing with someone who sells a lot of theatre
tickets on-line - I'm amazed at the level of fraud - and at least if you get
sight of the card used it goes someway to reducing the chargeback risk.
>>using tickets their parents have booked for them.
> IME the airlines that adopt that policy also have a policy that the
> cardholder must be one of the passengers. I remember being unable to
> book a flight on behalf of someone else using my own credit card
> because I wasn't travelling (IIRC it was either Easyjet or BA)
It's to prevent fraud. I was dealing with someone who sells a lot of theatre
tickets on-line - I'm amazed at the level of fraud - and at least if you get
sight of the card used it goes someway to reducing the chargeback risk.
Aug 15th 2005, 7:56 pm
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> In my experience, the BA (or rather GB Airways) flight out of Gatwick to
> Seville (SVQ) is far superior. You have a breakfast and drinks are served
> on the morning flight outwards, and a lunch on the inward. The fares are
> very often competitive with budget airlines especially if you can book
> early and have some flexibility (basically same as Ryanair or Easyjet) . I
> prefer the North terminal at Gatwick to Stansted. I could add more
> favourable comments however for me BA is the clear winner.
I've flown a lot with BA and never again if there's an alternative. The
treatment I and my family received from them over a booking they cocked up
was very badly handled. When I wrote to complain I didn't even get the
courtesy of a reply. So I've taken my business elsewhere and would
thoroughly recommend Emirates if going eastwards.
Ryan Air and Easy Jet are great - I've had several great bargains off them
and without exception have always been on time, although I feel for them
when it all goes wrong as the wingers who paid £0.10p for their flight start
to scream at the merest whiff of a delay.
> Seville (SVQ) is far superior. You have a breakfast and drinks are served
> on the morning flight outwards, and a lunch on the inward. The fares are
> very often competitive with budget airlines especially if you can book
> early and have some flexibility (basically same as Ryanair or Easyjet) . I
> prefer the North terminal at Gatwick to Stansted. I could add more
> favourable comments however for me BA is the clear winner.
I've flown a lot with BA and never again if there's an alternative. The
treatment I and my family received from them over a booking they cocked up
was very badly handled. When I wrote to complain I didn't even get the
courtesy of a reply. So I've taken my business elsewhere and would
thoroughly recommend Emirates if going eastwards.
Ryan Air and Easy Jet are great - I've had several great bargains off them
and without exception have always been on time, although I feel for them
when it all goes wrong as the wingers who paid £0.10p for their flight start
to scream at the merest whiff of a delay.
Aug 15th 2005, 8:10 pm
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Martin ha escrito:
> >Have they? Didn't know that, but I think it could be inevitable.
> My son was offered *a* micro sandwich and a soft drink, no wine or
> beer. I used to say the food may be crap but at least KLM always have
> good wine.
> We never understood the micro sandwiches, the main cost is probably
> anything but the actual sandwich. the last time I flew with KLM there
> were two micro sandwiches each.
Just flown them once, from BCN to Shiphol, then to the middle east and
back, I had wine on economy on both short hops. Food was a packed
sandwich, too.
I will be flying them again on September to Kiev, so I will update you
on their service then :)
J.
> >Have they? Didn't know that, but I think it could be inevitable.
> My son was offered *a* micro sandwich and a soft drink, no wine or
> beer. I used to say the food may be crap but at least KLM always have
> good wine.
> We never understood the micro sandwiches, the main cost is probably
> anything but the actual sandwich. the last time I flew with KLM there
> were two micro sandwiches each.
Just flown them once, from BCN to Shiphol, then to the middle east and
back, I had wine on economy on both short hops. Food was a packed
sandwich, too.
I will be flying them again on September to Kiev, so I will update you
on their service then :)
J.
Aug 15th 2005, 8:25 pm
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"Buzby" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Ryan Air and Easy Jet are great - I've had several great bargains off them
>and without exception have always been on time, although I feel for them
>when it all goes wrong as the wingers who paid £0.10p for their flight start
>to scream at the merest whiff of a delay.
If they had paid £100.00 for their flight, would they have been
entitled to scream?
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>Ryan Air and Easy Jet are great - I've had several great bargains off them
>and without exception have always been on time, although I feel for them
>when it all goes wrong as the wingers who paid £0.10p for their flight start
>to scream at the merest whiff of a delay.
If they had paid £100.00 for their flight, would they have been
entitled to scream?
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Aug 15th 2005, 8:34 pm
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Re: Hooray for Ryanair !
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 02:11:21 +0100, bigbrian <[email protected]>
wrote:
>IME the airlines that adopt that policy also have a policy that the
>cardholder must be one of the passengers. I remember being unable to
>book a flight on behalf of someone else using my own credit card
>because I wasn't travelling (IIRC it was either Easyjet or BA)
BA or KLM?. Not Easyjet.
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Martin
wrote:
>IME the airlines that adopt that policy also have a policy that the
>cardholder must be one of the passengers. I remember being unable to
>book a flight on behalf of someone else using my own credit card
>because I wasn't travelling (IIRC it was either Easyjet or BA)
BA or KLM?. Not Easyjet.
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Martin
Aug 15th 2005, 8:36 pm
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Boo for KLM!
[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > We never did find out if the reference number my son got from Opodo
> > was his KLM E-ticket number. They didn't ask him for it.
>
> On some flights, that's been my experience- you just show your
> passport/ID. It's still worth having a booking reference though.
On some KLM flights the check-in person first claims the flight
doesn't exist, then that it's cancelled, then asks for your reference
number, then tells you it exists after all but you'll have to go to
the gate and sit up and beg for a seat, woof woof.
Then of course everything is randomly delayed.
> > Useful tip from him never sit in the back row of a KLM F100 it has
> > no window but does have an engine just behind the seat.
This would be a more useful tip if you were routinely given a choice,
of course.
> Oh, those good old Fokkers! (It sounds funnier when they say the
> plane's name with Dutch pronunication.)
>
> > When did KLM stop serving free alcoholic drinks in economy class?
>
> Have they? Didn't know that, but I think it could be inevitable. Many US
> carriers no longer serve free booze on transatlantic flights in economy-
> of course most haven't on US domestic flights for a long time.
On an Amsterdam-Bristol Fokker 100 flight on Sunday I couldn't get a
gin and tonic for love nor money, and especially not money. Next time
I'll take my own wodka to add to the orange juice they dispense.
Des
> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > We never did find out if the reference number my son got from Opodo
> > was his KLM E-ticket number. They didn't ask him for it.
>
> On some flights, that's been my experience- you just show your
> passport/ID. It's still worth having a booking reference though.
On some KLM flights the check-in person first claims the flight
doesn't exist, then that it's cancelled, then asks for your reference
number, then tells you it exists after all but you'll have to go to
the gate and sit up and beg for a seat, woof woof.
Then of course everything is randomly delayed.
> > Useful tip from him never sit in the back row of a KLM F100 it has
> > no window but does have an engine just behind the seat.
This would be a more useful tip if you were routinely given a choice,
of course.
> Oh, those good old Fokkers! (It sounds funnier when they say the
> plane's name with Dutch pronunication.)
>
> > When did KLM stop serving free alcoholic drinks in economy class?
>
> Have they? Didn't know that, but I think it could be inevitable. Many US
> carriers no longer serve free booze on transatlantic flights in economy-
> of course most haven't on US domestic flights for a long time.
On an Amsterdam-Bristol Fokker 100 flight on Sunday I couldn't get a
gin and tonic for love nor money, and especially not money. Next time
I'll take my own wodka to add to the orange juice they dispense.
Des
Aug 15th 2005, 8:38 pm
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Re: Hooray for Ryanair !
[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:17:01 +0100, [email protected]
> > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> > offy) wrote:
> []
> > >On some flights, that's been my experience- you just show your
> > >passport/ID. It's still worth having a booking reference though.
> >
> > I've never travelled with an e-ticket. Both my kids have for years,
> > they have travelled with little else. They told me today neither has
> > ever been asked for the e-ticket number.
>
> Lots of airlines don't actually have them- just booking references. Many
> of the airlines say you should have your booking reference, but in
> reality, many don't ask for it- e.g. Easyjet IME. Ryanair did ask for
> the booking reference on the recent trip. Not sure what would have
> happened if I'd lost it- probably nothing- maybe others know.
Easyjet asked me for the number once when I didn't have it. They
then looked it up for me, while admittedly also sighing and giving me
pitying looks.
Des
> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:17:01 +0100, [email protected]
> > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> > offy) wrote:
> []
> > >On some flights, that's been my experience- you just show your
> > >passport/ID. It's still worth having a booking reference though.
> >
> > I've never travelled with an e-ticket. Both my kids have for years,
> > they have travelled with little else. They told me today neither has
> > ever been asked for the e-ticket number.
>
> Lots of airlines don't actually have them- just booking references. Many
> of the airlines say you should have your booking reference, but in
> reality, many don't ask for it- e.g. Easyjet IME. Ryanair did ask for
> the booking reference on the recent trip. Not sure what would have
> happened if I'd lost it- probably nothing- maybe others know.
Easyjet asked me for the number once when I didn't have it. They
then looked it up for me, while admittedly also sighing and giving me
pitying looks.
Des
Aug 15th 2005, 9:16 pm
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Re: Boo for KLM!
On 16 Aug 2005 09:36:51 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
wrote:
>[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
>> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > We never did find out if the reference number my son got from Opodo
>> > was his KLM E-ticket number. They didn't ask him for it.
>>
>> On some flights, that's been my experience- you just show your
>> passport/ID. It's still worth having a booking reference though.
>On some KLM flights the check-in person first claims the flight
>doesn't exist, then that it's cancelled, then asks for your reference
>number, then tells you it exists after all but you'll have to go to
>the gate and sit up and beg for a seat, woof woof.
Not to mention telling you that an Australian visa is invalid because
in their computerised version a space or something similar has been
inserted, then fixing the problem so that when you get to Melbourne
it's invalid in the Australian immigration computer too.
>Then of course everything is randomly delayed.
>> > Useful tip from him never sit in the back row of a KLM F100 it has
>> > no window but does have an engine just behind the seat.
>This would be a more useful tip if you were routinely given a choice,
>of course.
I always had a choice. I had row 11 booked automatically in F70s.
Maybe
'cos I had a Flying Dutchman Plutonium card.
>> Oh, those good old Fokkers! (It sounds funnier when they say the
>> plane's name with Dutch pronunication.)
Duh! How do they say it?
>>
>> > When did KLM stop serving free alcoholic drinks in economy class?
>>
>> Have they? Didn't know that, but I think it could be inevitable. Many US
>> carriers no longer serve free booze on transatlantic flights in economy-
>> of course most haven't on US domestic flights for a long time.
>On an Amsterdam-Bristol Fokker 100 flight on Sunday I couldn't get a
>gin and tonic for love nor money, and especially not money. Next time
>I'll take my own wodka to add to the orange juice they dispense.
Somebody here recalls a newspaper article saying that KLM were going
to start serving alcoholic drinks again.
--
Martin
wrote:
>[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
>> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > We never did find out if the reference number my son got from Opodo
>> > was his KLM E-ticket number. They didn't ask him for it.
>>
>> On some flights, that's been my experience- you just show your
>> passport/ID. It's still worth having a booking reference though.
>On some KLM flights the check-in person first claims the flight
>doesn't exist, then that it's cancelled, then asks for your reference
>number, then tells you it exists after all but you'll have to go to
>the gate and sit up and beg for a seat, woof woof.
Not to mention telling you that an Australian visa is invalid because
in their computerised version a space or something similar has been
inserted, then fixing the problem so that when you get to Melbourne
it's invalid in the Australian immigration computer too.
>Then of course everything is randomly delayed.
>> > Useful tip from him never sit in the back row of a KLM F100 it has
>> > no window but does have an engine just behind the seat.
>This would be a more useful tip if you were routinely given a choice,
>of course.
I always had a choice. I had row 11 booked automatically in F70s.
Maybe
'cos I had a Flying Dutchman Plutonium card.
>> Oh, those good old Fokkers! (It sounds funnier when they say the
>> plane's name with Dutch pronunication.)
Duh! How do they say it?
>>
>> > When did KLM stop serving free alcoholic drinks in economy class?
>>
>> Have they? Didn't know that, but I think it could be inevitable. Many US
>> carriers no longer serve free booze on transatlantic flights in economy-
>> of course most haven't on US domestic flights for a long time.
>On an Amsterdam-Bristol Fokker 100 flight on Sunday I couldn't get a
>gin and tonic for love nor money, and especially not money. Next time
>I'll take my own wodka to add to the orange juice they dispense.
Somebody here recalls a newspaper article saying that KLM were going
to start serving alcoholic drinks again.
--
Martin
Aug 15th 2005, 9:19 pm
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Re: Boo for KLM!
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
[]
> >> Oh, those good old Fokkers! (It sounds funnier when they say the
> >> plane's name with Dutch pronunication.)
>
> Duh! How do they say it?
Like a Scouser!
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> >[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
[]
> >> Oh, those good old Fokkers! (It sounds funnier when they say the
> >> plane's name with Dutch pronunication.)
>
> Duh! How do they say it?
Like a Scouser!
--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
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Aug 15th 2005, 9:22 pm
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Re: Hooray for Ryanair !
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:25:03 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Buzby" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Ryan Air and Easy Jet are great - I've had several great bargains off them
>>and without exception have always been on time, although I feel for them
>>when it all goes wrong as the wingers who paid £0.10p for their flight start
>>to scream at the merest whiff of a delay.
>If they had paid £100.00 for their flight, would they have been
>entitled to scream?
There is not much point in screaming at the girl at the check in desk.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Buzby" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>Ryan Air and Easy Jet are great - I've had several great bargains off them
>>and without exception have always been on time, although I feel for them
>>when it all goes wrong as the wingers who paid £0.10p for their flight start
>>to scream at the merest whiff of a delay.
>If they had paid £100.00 for their flight, would they have been
>entitled to scream?
There is not much point in screaming at the girl at the check in desk.
--
Martin
Aug 15th 2005, 9:33 pm
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Re: Hooray for Ryanair !
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:25:03 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Buzby" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Ryan Air and Easy Jet are great - I've had several great bargains off them
>>>and without exception have always been on time, although I feel for them
>>>when it all goes wrong as the wingers who paid £0.10p for their flight start
>>>to scream at the merest whiff of a delay.
>>If they had paid £100.00 for their flight, would they have been
>>entitled to scream?
>There is not much point in screaming at the girl at the check in desk.
Is it okay to scream if the person at the desk is male?
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>On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:25:03 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Buzby" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Ryan Air and Easy Jet are great - I've had several great bargains off them
>>>and without exception have always been on time, although I feel for them
>>>when it all goes wrong as the wingers who paid £0.10p for their flight start
>>>to scream at the merest whiff of a delay.
>>If they had paid £100.00 for their flight, would they have been
>>entitled to scream?
>There is not much point in screaming at the girl at the check in desk.
Is it okay to scream if the person at the desk is male?
--
PB
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Aug 15th 2005, 9:35 pm
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Re: Hooray for Ryanair !
Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
>> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:17:01 +0100, [email protected]
>> > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
>> > offy) wrote:
>> []
>> > >On some flights, that's been my experience- you just show your
>> > >passport/ID. It's still worth having a booking reference though.
>> >
>> > I've never travelled with an e-ticket. Both my kids have for years,
>> > they have travelled with little else. They told me today neither has
>> > ever been asked for the e-ticket number.
>>
>> Lots of airlines don't actually have them- just booking references. Many
>> of the airlines say you should have your booking reference, but in
>> reality, many don't ask for it- e.g. Easyjet IME. Ryanair did ask for
>> the booking reference on the recent trip. Not sure what would have
>> happened if I'd lost it- probably nothing- maybe others know.
>Easyjet asked me for the number once when I didn't have it. They
>then looked it up for me, while admittedly also sighing and giving me
>pitying looks.
Given Ryanair's attitude to customer relations, do you think they
would act in the same way?
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>[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) writes:
>> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:17:01 +0100, [email protected]
>> > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
>> > offy) wrote:
>> []
>> > >On some flights, that's been my experience- you just show your
>> > >passport/ID. It's still worth having a booking reference though.
>> >
>> > I've never travelled with an e-ticket. Both my kids have for years,
>> > they have travelled with little else. They told me today neither has
>> > ever been asked for the e-ticket number.
>>
>> Lots of airlines don't actually have them- just booking references. Many
>> of the airlines say you should have your booking reference, but in
>> reality, many don't ask for it- e.g. Easyjet IME. Ryanair did ask for
>> the booking reference on the recent trip. Not sure what would have
>> happened if I'd lost it- probably nothing- maybe others know.
>Easyjet asked me for the number once when I didn't have it. They
>then looked it up for me, while admittedly also sighing and giving me
>pitying looks.
Given Ryanair's attitude to customer relations, do you think they
would act in the same way?
--
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Aug 15th 2005, 9:40 pm
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Re: Boo for KLM!
Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:
>On an Amsterdam-Bristol Fokker 100 flight on Sunday I couldn't get a
>gin and tonic for love nor money, and especially not money. Next time
>I'll take my own wodka to add to the orange juice they dispense.
It seems to me that many people regard having an alcoholic drink
(preferably a free one) as an essential part of flying.
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>On an Amsterdam-Bristol Fokker 100 flight on Sunday I couldn't get a
>gin and tonic for love nor money, and especially not money. Next time
>I'll take my own wodka to add to the orange juice they dispense.
It seems to me that many people regard having an alcoholic drink
(preferably a free one) as an essential part of flying.
--
PB
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Aug 15th 2005, 9:43 pm
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Re: Boo for KLM!
Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> writes:
> Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On an Amsterdam-Bristol Fokker 100 flight on Sunday I couldn't get a
> >gin and tonic for love nor money, and especially not money. Next time
> >I'll take my own wodka to add to the orange juice they dispense.
> It seems to me that many people regard having an alcoholic drink
> (preferably a free one) as an essential part of flying.
I certainly do, but I am ready and willing to pay cold hard cash if
that's what it takes. I would certainly like to have a frank exchange
of views with the KLM strategy personoid that decided "giving" (i.e.,
bundling into the ticket price) people something they don't want is a
better strategy than selling (i.e., exchanging for additional cash)
them something they do.
Des
> Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On an Amsterdam-Bristol Fokker 100 flight on Sunday I couldn't get a
> >gin and tonic for love nor money, and especially not money. Next time
> >I'll take my own wodka to add to the orange juice they dispense.
> It seems to me that many people regard having an alcoholic drink
> (preferably a free one) as an essential part of flying.
I certainly do, but I am ready and willing to pay cold hard cash if
that's what it takes. I would certainly like to have a frank exchange
of views with the KLM strategy personoid that decided "giving" (i.e.,
bundling into the ticket price) people something they don't want is a
better strategy than selling (i.e., exchanging for additional cash)
them something they do.
Des
Aug 15th 2005, 9:47 pm
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Re: Boo for KLM!
"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
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> Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On an Amsterdam-Bristol Fokker 100 flight on Sunday I couldn't get a
>>gin and tonic for love nor money, and especially not money. Next time
>>I'll take my own wodka to add to the orange juice they dispense.
> It seems to me that many people regard having an alcoholic drink
> (preferably a free one) as an essential part of flying.
And "meals". Also stewardesses in Asian airlines seem to retire at the age
of 30 or so.
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> Des Small <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On an Amsterdam-Bristol Fokker 100 flight on Sunday I couldn't get a
>>gin and tonic for love nor money, and especially not money. Next time
>>I'll take my own wodka to add to the orange juice they dispense.
> It seems to me that many people regard having an alcoholic drink
> (preferably a free one) as an essential part of flying.
And "meals". Also stewardesses in Asian airlines seem to retire at the age
of 30 or so.
