Mistissini

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    > "Sjoerd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > You should go to Norway. There are many other trolls there.
    > Very witty Sjoerd!
    > Yes, unfortunately it is clearly a troll.
    > Not all Americans are like this one.

I've seen some countries where the people were able to come up with good
ideas, instead of the standard "troll" accusations.

Kristian

"mistissini" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >....... but this somehow
    >triggered a hostile response among the locals, who seemed to feel put down
    >by the kind of work I do (medical research). If a Dane asks me what I do
    >and I say medical research, will they turn hostile?
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As long as you don´t do any medical experiments on us Danes, you´ll
be welcome.



Kristian

Mistissini

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    > "mistissini" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >....... but this somehow
    > >triggered a hostile response among the locals, who seemed to feel put
down
    > >by the kind of work I do (medical research). If a Dane asks me what I do
    > >and I say medical research, will they turn hostile?
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    > As long as you don´t do any medical experiments on us Danes, you´ll
    > be welcome.

I've read that Norwegians performed medical experiments on half-German
babies in the wake of WW2. Danes were once the world's most prolific slave
traders, who supplied most of the slaves to the Americas. Are there museums
of Danish medical experiments?

Keith Willshaw

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    > > mistissini writes:
    > > What sorts of things do you find interesting?
    > I occasionally play basketball or walk through the park. I have a couple
of
    > other hobbies, I know what the European versions of the hobbies are,
they're
    > just less skillful imitations of the real thing in the USA, so I would not
    > go to Europe to see that. Otherwise, my life is filled with daily fun,
    > learning science or doing stuff on the internet.

Sounds like you should stop trolling to me

Fairs fair tts one of the better attempts I've seen

Trollometer Score 8/10

Keith

Mxsmanic

mistissini writes:

    > Parameters: "In my case, I get bored easily of museums/churches/monuments.
    > I do not drink, and
    > I'm not into night clubs. I happen to be multiracial, and I'm afraid of
    > obnoxious comments from Europeans -- I've had bad experiences with Europeans
    > in the USA. Also, how would I go about obtaining healthy cuisine?
    > Europeans may want to tell me a racist joke that I should just go to
    > McDonalds, but I never eat there."

Yes, you said that before. Not much to go on. And your expressed
interest in math and science is uncorrelated with foreign travel, so a
trip abroad would serve no purpose in that respect.

    > From my previous exchanges, I'm getting the impression that options for
    > enjoying Europe are limited to a fairly narrow set of activities focused on
    > the past.

That's not entirely true, but travel abroad in a general sense does tend
to appeal to certain mindsets and not others. If you spend a lot of
time in front of a computer studying math or science, it's very likely
that you would not enjoy a trip to Europe. (There are people in Europe
who enjoy math and science and sit in front of computers, of course, but
visitors to Europe are unlikely to find themselves in that situation,
and Europeans who are that way don't visit other parts of the world,
either.)

    > If Europe is modern or cosmopolitan, I would be interested in
    > knowing about it.

Europe is entirely modern or cosmopolitan, like all of the developed
world. In fact, many American visitors are surprised by how modern it
is--apparently they expect some sort of WWII ruins with a few fruit
carts and concertina players here and there, and not much else.

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Mxsmanic

Petter writes:

    > Idiots come in every colour.

Aha! A racist comment!

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Mxsmanic

mistissini writes:

    > Europeans claim to have a better lifestyle, so I was seeing if they would be
    > proud to offer it.

So do Americans. Given identical standards, they couldn't both be
right, but since their standards differ, in many cases they _are_ both
right.

    > In case Europe offers better alternatives.

What are the hobbies?

    > In my experience, the skinnier people are, the more they do worry about it.

I've never noticed this. People who don't have a problem controlling
their eating do not become obese, and they have no particular reason to
count calories.

    > Never said all, did I?

If you didn't mean all, then your observation was irrelevant in context.
So which was it?

    > You're not hostile?

No.

    > They claim to be more civil than us, so I was seeing if it's true.

Some of them are, some of them aren't. Often a person's standard of
civility is simply "behavior like my own."

    > If I have heard many accounts from many different people over a ten-year
    > period, then yes.

The number of accounts or the time over which they were spread doesn't
necessarily correlate with their utility or veracity.

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Mistissini

"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Yes, you said that before. Not much to go on.

Maybe not in the European imagination. I've had people from other countries
suggest plenty of things, when I gave the same parameters.

    > And your expressed
    > interest in math and science is uncorrelated with foreign travel, so a
    > trip abroad would serve no purpose in that respect.

Maybe in the European imagination, there is no correlation.


    > That's not entirely true, but travel abroad in a general sense does tend
    > to appeal to certain mindsets and not others. If you spend a lot of
    > time in front of a computer studying math or science, it's very likely
    > that you would not enjoy a trip to Europe. (There are people in Europe
    > who enjoy math and science and sit in front of computers, of course, but
    > visitors to Europe are unlikely to find themselves in that situation,
    > and Europeans who are that way don't visit other parts of the world,
    > either.)

Thing is, people who spend a lot of time in front of a computer studying
math or science tend to be a very international crowd. It is difficult to
find a workplace or university anywhere in the world, where math/science
departments are not filled with foreigners.


    > > If Europe is modern or cosmopolitan, I would be interested in
    > > knowing about it.
    > Europe is entirely modern or cosmopolitan, like all of the developed
    > world. In fact, many American visitors are surprised by how modern it
    > is--apparently they expect some sort of WWII ruins with a few fruit
    > carts and concertina players here and there, and not much else.

I was going by your words, which made the options sound so limited.

Mxsmanic

mistissini writes:

    > For example, South Korea has "bang" internet cafes with
    > state-of-the-art equipment.

You would travel abroad just to connect to the Internet? It's the
_same_ Internet no matter where you go.

    > How strong is the inferiority complex of people there?

Most Europeans do not suffer from an inferiority complex.

    > I have been to some places like Hawaii, where I
    > was friendly and acted no differently from daily
    > life, but this somehow triggered a hostile response
    > among the locals, who seemed to feel put down
    > by the kind of work I do (medical research).

My impression is that you might encounter hostility in many different
environments, since you seem to project it.

    > If a Dane asks me what I do and I say medical research,
    > will they turn hostile?

No. But Danes may not ask in the first place. Many Europeans consider
it indelicate to inquire about a person's work, at least without being
acquainted for some time.

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Mistissini

"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > In case Europe offers better alternatives.
    > What are the hobbies?

Why, so you can trash them? I won't fall into that trap.


    > > In my experience, the skinnier people are, the more they do worry about
it.
    > I've never noticed this. People who don't have a problem controlling
    > their eating do not become obese, and they have no particular reason to
    > count calories.

Opposite of my experience. Fat people eat whatever food comes their way.


    > > Never said all, did I?
    > If you didn't mean all, then your observation was irrelevant in context.

I do not hesitate to call stupid people stupid. I do not call all people
stupid. You accused me of calling all people stupid.


    > > You're not hostile?
    > No.

Yeah, uh-huh.



    > > If I have heard many accounts from many different people over a ten-year
    > > period, then yes.
    > The number of accounts or the time over which they were spread doesn't
    > necessarily correlate with their utility or veracity.

They were heart-to-heart accounts with people I knew well.

Mxsmanic

mistissini writes:

    > Thing is, South Koreans are able to afford PC's and high-speed bandwidth at
    > home.

Affordability isn't the only factor to consider. Broadband access is
cheap in France, and PCs are not expensive, but relatively few French
people own a PC, and Internet cafés do well because so few people invest
in home connections (despite their low cost and ready availability).

    > It's the first country where the government has built a fiber
    > connection to every home. I was seeing if there are comparable achievements
    > in Europe.

Most of Western Europe is doing quite well; often the obstacles are
social, not technical. France has long had fiber right up to the local
loop, but it is still largely dark.

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A.Spencer3

"mistissini" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "alain K." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > hi there, your comments concerning Europe is quite funny to me, beeing
    > > french.
    > > There is a billion things to see in Europe, among Eiffel tower in
    > As I was saying, I get bored easily of museums/churches/monuments.
    > > France, champagne wineyards,
    > As I was saying, I do not drink.
    > > Concerning food, you may try pasta, tapas, cassoulet,
    > Aren't they rich in calories?
    > > with 3000 different wines.
    > As I was saying, I do not drink.
    > > Now, I suggest you choose one or two countries (for ex. France and
    > > Italy) and it will be a dream.
    > Do people in France/Italy have problems understanding questions as much as
    > you do?
    > >Nobody cares here about your colour,
    > > religion or opinions.
    > I've heard otherwise from Arabs and Gypsies who live there.

I'm beginning to suspect you are trolling.
Say what you *are* interested in seeing/experiencing and you'll get plenty
of ideas.
Say what food you *do* want, and likewise. If you're vegetarian, for
instance, no problem.
Say what 'race' you are that you seem so worried about, and you'll get
appropriate remarks.
Be a bit more positive, and maybe then so will we.

Surreyman

Mistissini

"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > mistissini writes:
    > > For example, South Korea has "bang" internet cafes with
    > > state-of-the-art equipment.
    > You would travel abroad just to connect to the Internet? It's the
    > _same_ Internet no matter where you go.

No, I would still find out about different aspects of it.

    > > How strong is the inferiority complex of people there?
    > Most Europeans do not suffer from an inferiority complex.

The hostility on the thread, the knee-jerk accusations of American
arrogance, aren't an inferiority complex?


    > My impression is that you might encounter hostility in many different
    > environments, since you seem to project it.

People with low self esteem may perceive my actions as "hostility".


    > > If a Dane asks me what I do and I say medical research,
    > > will they turn hostile?
    > No. But Danes may not ask in the first place. Many Europeans consider
    > it indelicate to inquire about a person's work, at least without being
    > acquainted for some time.

So I guess it's like talking to a Mexican. Don't ask what he does for a
living, since that would put him on the spot.

Mistissini

"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > mistissini writes:
    > > Thing is, South Koreans are able to afford PC's and high-speed bandwidth
at
    > > home.
    > Affordability isn't the only factor to consider. Broadband access is
    > cheap in France, and PCs are not expensive, but relatively few French
    > people own a PC, and Internet cafés do well because so few people invest
    > in home connections (despite their low cost and ready availability).

Yes, so it contradicts Petter's claim that "Internet cafes is very popular
in countries where the people can't afford a
PC and a proper bandwith at home."


    > > It's the first country where the government has built a fiber
    > > connection to every home. I was seeing if there are comparable
achievements
    > > in Europe.
    > Most of Western Europe is doing quite well; often the obstacles are
    > social, not technical. France has long had fiber right up to the local
    > loop, but it is still largely dark.

So are Europeans more afraid of the internet?

Petter

"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > mistissini writes:
    > > Thing is, South Koreans are able to afford PC's and high-speed bandwidth
at
    > > home.
    > Affordability isn't the only factor to consider. Broadband access is
    > cheap in France, and PCs are not expensive, but relatively few French
    > people own a PC, and Internet cafés do well because so few people invest
    > in home connections (despite their low cost and ready availability).
    > > It's the first country where the government has built a fiber
    > > connection to every home. I was seeing if there are comparable
achievements
    > > in Europe.
    > Most of Western Europe is doing quite well; often the obstacles are
    > social, not technical. France has long had fiber right up to the local
    > loop, but it is still largely dark.

Sorry Mxsmanic, that aspect is of course true. The French are more social
than Norwegians and visiting Americans.