Petter

Try http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/article260207.ece

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    > > I have an offer of a trip to Europe, but I'm wondering what to do. In
my
    > > case, I get bored easily of museums/churches/monuments. I do not drink,
    > and
    > > I'm not into night clubs. I happen to be multiracial, and I'm afraid of
    > > obnoxious comments from Europeans -- I've had bad experiences with
    > Europeans
    > > in the USA.
    > You should go to Norway. There are many other trolls there.
    > Sjoerd

Mxsmanic

mistissini writes:

    > Someone here proposed the idea of going to Copenhagen. Are there things to
    > do there that still meet my parameters?

You haven't given much in the way of parameters.

    > This has been a typical answer I have received from Europeans, but I was
    > seeing if any of them have smarter ideas.

That _is_ a smart idea, as you do not sound like the type of person who
would enjoy trips abroad.

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    > > We don't know you. What kind of thing interests you?
    > Math and Science interest me (the current applications, not the
history).

OK. How would this manifest itself for you exactly in terms of your
visit to Europe?

    > >Where in Europe is
    > > this trip going, anywhere in particular?
    > The proposal is for going to Copenhagen.

OK. Someone who knows Copenhagen will no doubt tell more about it.

    > > Where in the States are you from?
    > I grew up all over the USA. I happen to live in the Midwest right
now; I
    > moved here a few months ago.
    > > What do you do for fun there?
    > I occasionally play basketball or walk through the park. I have a
couple of
    > other hobbies, I know what the European versions of the hobbies are,
they're
    > just less skillful imitations of the real thing in the USA, so I would
not
    > go to Europe to see that.

OK, clearly now you are simply trolling to get a negative response..

Otherwise, my life is filled with daily fun,
    > learning science or doing stuff on the internet.

I would suggest you can do this at home.

    > > > What about the deep-fried snickers bars they serve in Scotland? I
    > > read in
    > > > the New York Times that many supermarkets there don't carry
    > > vegetables.
    > > All supermarkets carry healthy food and vegetables. I don't know
anyone
    > > who has eaten a deep-fried snickers bar.
    > Supposing you're right, do supermarkets accept Euros?

They accept whatever is the local currency, so if that is Euros then
yes.

Are there parts of
    > Europe where storekeepers might decide to charge inflated "American
prices"
    > or whatever?

Not usually, but in your case probably.

Martin.

Petter

    > > > Do people in France/Italy have problems understanding questions as
much
    > as
    > > > you do?
    > > Are people in the USA as hostile as you are?
    > Against stupid people? Of course.

No I know why US always are in at least one war...

    > > > I've heard otherwise from Arabs and Gypsies who live there.
    > > If you haven't been to Europe, how have you managed to communicate with
    > > Arabs and Gypsies who live there?
    > Have you ever heard of the internet?
    > They tell me about stores that won't serve them, police officers who beat
    > them up for no reason.

Jupp, in every little corner of Europe (mostly in Copenhagen) every native
European has obligated their lives to **** up other continents people lives.
And certainly ignorant nerds like you. Please stay in the US.

Idiots come in every colour.

Mistissini

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "mistissini" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > "Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > > We don't know you. What kind of thing interests you?
    > > Math and Science interest me (the current applications, not the
    > history).
    > OK. How would this manifest itself for you exactly in terms of your
    > visit to Europe?

I was hoping you could answer that.


    > > I occasionally play basketball or walk through the park. I have a
    > couple of
    > > other hobbies, I know what the European versions of the hobbies are,
    > they're
    > > just less skillful imitations of the real thing in the USA, so I would
    > not
    > > go to Europe to see that.
    > OK, clearly now you are simply trolling to get a negative response..

No, actually. I've talked to both European and American practitioners of
the hobbies, and there is no real difference other than that it's less
interesting. I would not be going there for the sake of my hobbies.


    > Otherwise, my life is filled with daily fun,
    > > learning science or doing stuff on the internet.
    > I would suggest you can do this at home.

I was seeing if Europeans would have anything to offer in this area, in case
they are as creative or enlightened as they claim. For example, South Korea
has "bang" internet cafes with state-of-the-art equipment.


    > Are there parts of
    > > Europe where storekeepers might decide to charge inflated "American
    > prices"
    > > or whatever?
    > Not usually, but in your case probably.

That does tie in to a legitimate question. How strong is the inferiority
complex of people there? I have been to some places like Hawaii, where I
was friendly and acted no differently from daily life, but this somehow
triggered a hostile response among the locals, who seemed to feel put down
by the kind of work I do (medical research). If a Dane asks me what I do
and I say medical research, will they turn hostile?

Martin

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    > You should go to Norway. There are many other trolls there.

Very witty Sjoerd!

Yes, unfortunately it is clearly a troll.

Not all Americans are like this one.

Martin.

Mxsmanic

mistissini writes:

    > I occasionally play basketball or walk through the park.

Since you can do that at home, there's no reason to travel to Europe to
do it.

    > I have a couple of other hobbies, I know what the European
    > versions of the hobbies are, they're just less skillful
    > imitations of the real thing in the USA, so I would not
    > go to Europe to see that. Otherwise, my life is filled
    > with daily fun, learning science or doing stuff on the internet.

Since the things that interest you are apparently done best in the USA,
why go anywhere else?

    > Do you think an obese person would be asking these questions?

Yes. People of normal weight don't usually worry about calories.

    > Against stupid people? Of course.

But against all people? Your hostility is patent. Europeans (and
indeed anyone else you might encounter) would readily sense that, and
would likely respond in kind, making your experience potentially
unpleasant.

    > Have you ever heard of the internet?

Yes. Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?

    > They tell me about stores that won't serve them, police officers who beat
    > them up for no reason.

People on the Internet have told me that they have been abducted by
aliens, or that secret CIA death squads are on their trails. That
doesn't mean that these things are actually so.

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Mistissini

"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > mistissini writes:
    > > Someone here proposed the idea of going to Copenhagen. Are there things
to
    > > do there that still meet my parameters?
    > You haven't given much in the way of parameters.

Parameters: "In my case, I get bored easily of museums/churches/monuments.
I do not drink, and
I'm not into night clubs. I happen to be multiracial, and I'm afraid of
obnoxious comments from Europeans -- I've had bad experiences with Europeans
in the USA. Also, how would I go about obtaining healthy cuisine?
Europeans may want to tell me a racist joke that I should just go to
McDonalds, but I never eat there."


    > > This has been a typical answer I have received from Europeans, but I was
    > > seeing if any of them have smarter ideas.
    > That _is_ a smart idea, as you do not sound like the type of person who
    > would enjoy trips abroad.

From my previous exchanges, I'm getting the impression that options for
enjoying Europe are limited to a fairly narrow set of activities focused on
the past. If Europe is modern or cosmopolitan, I would be interested in
knowing about it.

Mxsmanic

mistissini writes:

    > Math and Science interest me (the current applications, not the history).

Both of these can be indulged at home just as easily as abroad, and in
fact a trip abroad would serve no purpose in this context.

    > The proposal is for going to Copenhagen.

I suppose you could follow the trail of Niels Bohr or something. I
don't know that Copenhagen is the most thrilling city in Europe,
although it does have a place historically in science.

    > I grew up all over the USA. I happen to live in the Midwest right now; I
    > moved here a few months ago.

Hmm.

    > Supposing you're right, do supermarkets accept Euros?

In countries that are part of the euro zone, they do. These countries
are Belgium, Germany, Greece, France, Ireland, Spain, Italy, Luxembourg,
the Netherlands, Austria, Portugal, and Finland (but not Denmark).

    > Are there parts of Europe where storekeepers might decide
    > to charge inflated "American prices" or whatever?

Not generally. It doesn't help to bring chocolate or nylons, either.

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    > mistissini writes:
    > > I occasionally play basketball or walk through the park.
    > Since you can do that at home, there's no reason to travel to Europe to
    > do it.

Europeans claim to have a better lifestyle, so I was seeing if they would be
proud to offer it.


    > > I have a couple of other hobbies, I know what the European
    > > versions of the hobbies are, they're just less skillful
    > > imitations of the real thing in the USA, so I would not
    > > go to Europe to see that. Otherwise, my life is filled
    > > with daily fun, learning science or doing stuff on the internet.
    > Since the things that interest you are apparently done best in the USA,
    > why go anywhere else?

In case Europe offers better alternatives.


    > > Do you think an obese person would be asking these questions?
    > Yes. People of normal weight don't usually worry about calories.

In my experience, the skinnier people are, the more they do worry about it.


    > > Against stupid people? Of course.
    > But against all people?

Never said all, did I?

    > Your hostility is patent.

You're not hostile?

    > Europeans (and indeed anyone else you might encounter) would readily sense
that, and
    > would likely respond in kind, making your experience potentially
    > unpleasant.

They claim to be more civil than us, so I was seeing if it's true.

    > > Have you ever heard of the internet?
    > Yes. Do you believe everything you read on the Internet?

If I have heard many accounts from many different people over a ten-year
period, then yes.

Mxsmanic

mistissini writes:

    > Wasn't it you who said, "There are some Europeans who might notice or
    > comment if you have
    > an unusual and obvious racial background (e.g., Chinese and American
    > black or something).... and they may then be more likely to comment on your
    > ethnicity, if they perceive that to be the source of your
    > unattractiveness"?

Yes, but such Europeans are exceptions to the rule.

    > If Europeans never think about race, how come far-right parties specifically
    > opposed to immigrants are rising in popularity throughout Europe?

Because they are opposed to immigration, which doesn't necessarily have
anything to do with race. Additionally, they are fringe groups that are
atypical of Europeans generally.

    > New York Times travel section. It said that babies are given soda instead
    > of milk, and nutrition standards among working class Scottish are lower than
    > some third world countries.

I'm not familiar with Scotland specifically, but the NYT story sounds a
bit bizarre. Of course, there are Americans who feed their babies beer,
too, but that is not necessarily a widespread practice.

    > I've heard that kind of line before, but I have been to countries where the
    > natives did make a big deal out of it.

Then perhaps it's best to avoid risk and remain in the USA.

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    > mistissini writes:
    > > Math and Science interest me (the current applications, not the
history).
    > Both of these can be indulged at home just as easily as abroad, and in
    > fact a trip abroad would serve no purpose in this context.

I was asking in case there are cutting-edge displays to be seen in Europe.
From your answer, I guess not.


    > > Are there parts of Europe where storekeepers might decide
    > > to charge inflated "American prices" or whatever?
    > Not generally. It doesn't help to bring chocolate or nylons, either.

What is meant by the phrase "chocolate or nylons"?

Petter

    > > Otherwise, my life is filled with daily fun,
    > > > learning science or doing stuff on the internet.
    > > I would suggest you can do this at home.
    > I was seeing if Europeans would have anything to offer in this area, in
case
    > they are as creative or enlightened as they claim. For example, South
Korea
    > has "bang" internet cafes with state-of-the-art equipment.

Internet cafes is very popular in countries where the people can't afford a
PC and a proper bandwith at home. There is no connection between how
creative or enlightened people in the country are. It depends on how poor
they are.

    > > Are there parts of
    > > > Europe where storekeepers might decide to charge inflated "American
    > > prices"
    > > > or whatever?
    > > Not usually, but in your case probably.
    > That does tie in to a legitimate question. How strong is the inferiority
    > complex of people there? I have been to some places like Hawaii, where I
    > was friendly and acted no differently from daily life, but this somehow
    > triggered a hostile response among the locals, who seemed to feel put down
    > by the kind of work I do (medical research). If a Dane asks me what I do
    > and I say medical research, will they turn hostile?

Danes believes mostly in witchcraft. Their currency is chicken heads.

Martin

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Bye troll.

Martin.

Mistissini

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    > > I was seeing if Europeans would have anything to offer in this area, in
    > case
    > > they are as creative or enlightened as they claim. For example, South
    > Korea
    > > has "bang" internet cafes with state-of-the-art equipment.
    > Internet cafes is very popular in countries where the people can't afford
a
    > PC and a proper bandwith at home. There is no connection between how
    > creative or enlightened people in the country are. It depends on how poor
    > they are.

Thing is, South Koreans are able to afford PC's and high-speed bandwidth at
home. It's the first country where the government has built a fiber
connection to every home. I was seeing if there are comparable achievements
in Europe.