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Help needed in planning a trip to Europe

Old Sep 15th 2004, 9:26 pm
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Kalle
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"Dominique Foucart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > sunny. You can take a tour from Geneva to Chamonix and see the Mont
    > Blanc (the highest point in Europe). If you do not fear altitude, take

Mont Blanc is the highest point of Western Europe. Mt. Elbrus is the highest
point of Europe.
 
Old Sep 15th 2004, 9:28 pm
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Am 15 Sep 2004 08:09:45 -0700 schrieb What Ever:

    > 1. Paris: I am assuming one night and two days would be sufficient. We
    > are interested in visiting Eiffel Tower, Louvre, and Seine. I am not
    > sure what else we can see in 2 days.

2 days is too short imho, especially when you just have one night in
between. Remember that you have to check out your room before 12.00 am, so
you won't even have two full days. Plan at least two nights, so you have a
full day. And even that is short.

    > 2. Switzerland: Zurich, and Alps (I am not sure what city we should
    > visit for Alps, and if November would be a good time). We are planning
    > to stay for 1 night and 2 days.

Also very short. Weatherwise you can have snow in the Alps at that time of
the year. But with just one night I doubt you'll see much beyond Zurich.

    > 3. Italy: We like to visit Rome, Vatican City, Venice. I am assuming 4
    > days and 4 nights would be sufficient.

Yes, that could be done.

    > 2. Travel from one country to another within Europe (and from one city
    > to another): Is it advisable to purchase rail tickets instead of rail
    > passes?

Of course!

    > Where can I find information on how long it takes and how much
    > it costs?

You'll have to look on the websites of the train systems.

For Switzerland its http://www.rail.ch/index_e.htm

    > 3. Itinerary feasibility: Do you think this itinerary is feasible? Or
    > should I make any changes? I have a total of 10 days including
    > trans-Atlantic flying time.

See above, one night in any place is to little. You have to check in, check
out, and won't have time to see anything. Go for 2 nights at the same place
at least.

    > 4. Places to stay: Do you have any recommendations on where we could
    > stay. We are planning to spend around $100/night.

That shouldn't be such a big problem, though be aware that at least for
Paris and rome 100 $ won't buy you a nice, central room. Maybe more like a
2 star. And make shure taht the Hotel is located central. You don't want to
stay in a Hotel 40 km's outside of Paris!

    > 5. Recommendations on "places to Visit": We are first time travelers,
    > we believe we like scenic mountains in Switzerland, Lakes in Italy,
    > over-all architectural beauty of Europe, and everything about Paris.
    > Are there any particular recommendations you would like to make?

As for Switzerland: If you want scenery, leave Zurich and explore the Alps.
Interlaken is a good starting point. From there you can visit places like
Grindelwald.

    > 6. Food: Both my wife and I are vegetarians; we hope finding
    > vegetarian food wouldn't be a problem. Milk products are okay.

Shouldn't be a problem. In Switzerland they do lot's of cheese and
Roesti-Dishes without meat, in Italy you can have Pasta or Pizza, and in
France you'll also find something.

    > 7. Language: We both speak English, do we need to learn native
    > language of the country or can we manage with English?

No Problem, you'll manage in english, at least in the touristy places.

Regards,

Frank
 
Old Sep 15th 2004, 9:31 pm
  #18  
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"Dominique Foucart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > Don't take the train for the long trip between Paris and Geneva. You'll
    > lose 5 hours in TGV and spend twice the price of the plane ticket.

I can't understand this one. I just took a train from Geneva to Paris and it
took 3.5 hours. Price was 25 euros. You can't do it any faster or cheaper
using Easyjet. First of all you'll need a ride to the airport. Then you have
to check in at least 60 minutes before the departure. After landing you have
to wait for the luggage. Then you'll need a ride to the city. You can't do
this in 3.5 hours.

If you take a train, all you have to do is go to the train station 10
minutes before the departure time.
 
Old Sep 15th 2004, 10:49 pm
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On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:00:16 +0300, "Markku Grönroos"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> What Ever <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> > My wife and I are planning to travel to Europe as tourists from USA
    >> > between Nov. 20th and Nov. 28th. I need help in planning the trip.
    >> >
    >> > 1. Paris: I am assuming one night and two days would be sufficient.
    >> I'm not sure you'll get a lot of agreement on that. I don't particularly
    >> like Paris and I would say two weeks is the bare minimum.
    >People have diffrent desires. Two weeks in one city is just eternity in my
    >opinion.

It depends on what you want to get out of it, I've spent 30 days in
one city (Vancouver) and the 2 days in venice is more than enough, and
the 2 days in 2 visits in Florence is probably plenty. all were
worthwhile trips (although all I really got out of venice was that I
didn't like it) Paris, I've never made it too, so couldn't say for
sure, but I'd've thought 2 weeks would be a little long for the
inexperienced traveller mostly interested in "sights". moving on
would make more sense than digging deeper into the local scene.

Jim.
 
Old Sep 15th 2004, 11:40 pm
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2 days for Paris, and the Alps?

Sounds like the classic first time approach to Europe. You will not see
enough of any European capital in 2 days. I would suggest that you not
stretch yourself so thin and turn 7 days into 4 overnight stops. Whirlwind
is putting your proposal mildly.

You will come back able to say you have seen much but you won't have
experienced much.

If you plan to move this quickly you won't have time for more than a quick
city guided tour and some strolling near your hotel, so recommending
"sights" will only make your choices unbearable.

Your plan will not make a rail pass viable - the period is too short and you
are going in a straight line.

Don't bother even considering learning a language in 9 weeks. Just be polite
and ASK if you may speak in English before you talk. That courtesy will take
you farther than you think. You will, likely without exception be able to
converse perfectly in English for tourist needs.

This is your best bet for rail planning in Europe - the German Rail site, in
English
http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en

\Zurich is not "in" the Alps, exactly, it is about 45 minutes away. Not an
ideal choice if you are staying only one night. Innsbruck would be a better
choice

Boy, the fares are GOOD for November - you are lucky . All of these are
inclusive of taxes, etc..

I found Philly to Paris, return, on Nov 19 -29 for only $426. Washington
slightly higher - $446. Both are non-stop.

For about $500 you can go non-stop from Philly to Paris and return from
Naples, or Bologna, connecting back again in Paris. Bologna might be better
for your suggested Venice. Coming back from Rome I see only two connections
at that price.

$540 will get you back from Rome, connecting through - you got it - Paris,
again.

And goodness me I just found Washington - Paris and returning from Rome for
$465 through Amsterdam, each way and for only $14 more ($479), you can go
direct on the way over and connect back through Munich, or Frankfurt

If you would like more details on one of these options, respond to the
newsgroup and I can provide you with the exact booking codes to provide any
travel agent. Maybe I should be charging a commission :-)





"What Ever" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] m...
    > My wife and I are planning to travel to Europe as tourists from USA
    > between Nov. 20th and Nov. 28th. I need help in planning the trip.
    > Here are the places we are interested in. We are primarily interested
    > in site seeing.
    > 1. Paris: I am assuming one night and two days would be sufficient. We
    > are interested in visiting Eiffel Tower, Louvre, and Seine. I am not
    > sure what else we can see in 2 days.
    > 2. Switzerland: Zurich, and Alps (I am not sure what city we should
    > visit for Alps, and if November would be a good time). We are planning
    > to stay for 1 night and 2 days.
    > 3. Italy: We like to visit Rome, Vatican City, Venice. I am assuming 4
    > days and 4 nights would be sufficient.
    > Here are the things that I need help with. I greatly appreciate your
    > feedback.
    > 1. Travel: Is there a travel agent that you could recommend to get a
    > better trans Atlantic flight rates. We will be leaving from
    > Baltimore/Washington D.C. area and would like to reach Paris, and then
    > probably return from one of the Italian cities.
    > 2. Travel from one country to another within Europe (and from one city
    > to another): Is it advisable to purchase rail tickets instead of rail
    > passes? Where can I find information on how long it takes and how much
    > it costs?
    > 3. Itinerary feasibility: Do you think this itinerary is feasible? Or
    > should I make any changes? I have a total of 10 days including
    > trans-Atlantic flying time.
    > 4. Places to stay: Do you have any recommendations on where we could
    > stay. We are planning to spend around $100/night.
    > 5. Recommendations on "places to Visit": We are first time travelers,
    > we believe we like scenic mountains in Switzerland, Lakes in Italy,
    > over-all architectural beauty of Europe, and everything about Paris.
    > Are there any particular recommendations you would like to make?
    > 6. Food: Both my wife and I are vegetarians; we hope finding
    > vegetarian food wouldn't be a problem. Milk products are okay.
    > 7. Language: We both speak English, do we need to learn native
    > language of the country or can we manage with English?
    > Anything else that I am missing?
    > Thanks a lot in advance.
    > SP.
 
Old Sep 15th 2004, 11:43 pm
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See "Vancouver", and die?


"Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:00:16 +0300, "Markku Grönroos"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >"Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
    > >news:[email protected]...
    > >> What Ever <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >> > My wife and I are planning to travel to Europe as tourists from USA
    > >> > between Nov. 20th and Nov. 28th. I need help in planning the trip.
    > >> >
    > >> > 1. Paris: I am assuming one night and two days would be sufficient.
    > >>
    > >> I'm not sure you'll get a lot of agreement on that. I don't
particularly
    > >> like Paris and I would say two weeks is the bare minimum.
    > >>
    > >People have diffrent desires. Two weeks in one city is just eternity in
my
    > >opinion.
    > It depends on what you want to get out of it, I've spent 30 days in
    > one city (Vancouver) and the 2 days in venice is more than enough, and
    > the 2 days in 2 visits in Florence is probably plenty. all were
    > worthwhile trips (although all I really got out of venice was that I
    > didn't like it) Paris, I've never made it too, so couldn't say for
    > sure, but I'd've thought 2 weeks would be a little long for the
    > inexperienced traveller mostly interested in "sights". moving on
    > would make more sense than digging deeper into the local scene.
    > Jim.
 
Old Sep 16th 2004, 12:11 am
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On 15/9/04 16:09, in article [email protected],
"What Ever" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > My wife and I are planning to travel to Europe as tourists from USA
    > between Nov. 20th and Nov. 28th. I need help in planning the trip.
    >
    > Here are the places we are interested in. We are primarily interested
    > in site seeing.
    >
    > 1. Paris: I am assuming one night and two days would be sufficient. We
    > are interested in visiting Eiffel Tower, Louvre, and Seine. I am not
    > sure what else we can see in 2 days.

Not a lot! The Seine trip will take up the best part of half a day by the
time you've boarded, disembarked etc. IF they're running at that time of
year, a dinner on board one of the Bateaux Mouches might be a good idea both
for use of time and romance. But it will, of course be dark then. The
Louvre is large, so you might want to narrow your visit down to art that you
especially want to see.
    >
    > 2. Switzerland: Zurich, and Alps (I am not sure what city we should
    > visit for Alps, and if November would be a good time). We are planning
    > to stay for 1 night and 2 days.

Again, I think you're pushing your itinerary rather hard but it will be cold
in Europe in November and even colder in the Alps and may well have started
to snow. Innsbruck in Austria is said to be very lovely and Basel in
Switzerland might fit your needs.
http://www.minotel.com/minotelPublic...rg=CH&id=basle
    >
    > 3. Italy: We like to visit Rome, Vatican City, Venice. I am assuming 4
    > days and 4 nights would be sufficient.

Recently, my stepson went to Venice for 3 nights and Florence for four.
I've done the same trip in the past and IMO, that's the minimum you need.
If you can do it, I'd suggest you make that another trip at a later date.
However, if you do decide to do both on this trip, this is a site which help
you to pre-book tickets to the main museums and galleries, so you won't
waste time queuing: http://www.weekendavenezia.com/ for Venice
http://www.waf.it/museicity/eng/muse...demia_main.htm for Florence
    >
    > Here are the things that I need help with. I greatly appreciate your
    > feedback.
    >
    > 1. Travel: Is there a travel agent that you could recommend to get a
    > better trans Atlantic flight rates. We will be leaving from
    > Baltimore/Washington D.C. area and would like to reach Paris, and then
    > probably return from one of the Italian cities.

It might be best to Google or to look up different airlines and see what
deals there are. In November there could be quite a few.
    >
    > 2. Travel from one country to another within Europe (and from one city
    > to another): Is it advisable to purchase rail tickets instead of rail
    > passes? Where can I find information on how long it takes and how much
    > it costs?
http://www.raileurope.com/us/index.htm
    >
    > 3. Itinerary feasibility: Do you think this itinerary is feasible? Or
    > should I make any changes? I have a total of 10 days including
    > trans-Atlantic flying time.

I think you're trying to do too much, honestly. You haven't allowed for
feeling jet lagged for a day or three which will possibly slow you down.
    >
    > 4. Places to stay: Do you have any recommendations on where we could
    > stay. We are planning to spend around $100/night.

http://www.travellerspoint.com/accom...?region=europe
    >
    > 5. Recommendations on "places to Visit": We are first time travelers,
    > we believe we like scenic mountains in Switzerland, Lakes in Italy,
    > over-all architectural beauty of Europe, and everything about Paris.
    > Are there any particular recommendations you would like to make?
    >
    > 6. Food: Both my wife and I are vegetarians; we hope finding
    > vegetarian food wouldn't be a problem. Milk products are okay.

IME, vegetarian food isn't that much of a problem except perhaps in very
small places. The French don't seem to be as keen on it as other countries
but are increasing choices on menus slowly. Bring a dictionary with you so
that you can be sure you don't order something you don't want to eat.
    >
    > 7. Language: We both speak English, do we need to learn native
    > language of the country or can we manage with English?

Most Europeans speak fair English in service industries and you should be
fine but speak clearly and don't use slang terms because they vary so much
from country to country. Being able to say please and thank you in
different languages goes a long way, as does a big smile. And don't expect
fast American service everywhere you go - in smaller, family run hotels and
restaurants, things move at their pace.
    >
    > Anything else that I am missing?
    >
Make sure your passports have at least six months remaining on them. Some
countries insist on that.
--

Sacha
 
Old Sep 16th 2004, 2:06 am
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On 15 Sep 2004 08:09:45 -0700, [email protected] (What Ever)
wrote:

    >My wife and I are planning to travel to Europe as tourists from USA
    >between Nov. 20th and Nov. 28th. I need help in planning the trip.
    >Here are the places we are interested in. We are primarily interested
    >in site seeing.
    >1. Paris: I am assuming one night and two days would be sufficient. We
    >are interested in visiting Eiffel Tower, Louvre, and Seine. I am not
    >sure what else we can see in 2 days.
    >2. Switzerland: Zurich, and Alps (I am not sure what city we should
    >visit for Alps, and if November would be a good time). We are planning
    >to stay for 1 night and 2 days.
    >3. Italy: We like to visit Rome, Vatican City, Venice. I am assuming 4
    >days and 4 nights would be sufficient.

I agree with some of the other people that you probably are trying to
see too much in a short time. Remember that 10 days including
transatlantic travel really is 8 days in Europe, and that one of those
8 days will be taken up by travel within Europe. Also, when someone
says "2 days, 1 night" in some place which is far from the place
they're leaving from and going to, it really means no days in that
place. If you leave Paris on Monday and arrive in some town in
Switzerland in the late afternoon, and then find your hotel, unpack,
and have some dinner, you'll see very little of Switzerland before you
have to repack, check out of your hotel, go back to the train station
and continue your journey to Rome.

In any case, some of the places you want to see are not ideal for the
time of year, so that should help you to trim the itinerary.

There are direct trains from Paris to Milan that take around 6 to 8
hours and pass through the Alps. I would suggest taking one of these
trains in the daytime, so that at least you could see the Alps, and
maybe even get off at one of the stations for a short visit. However,
in November there is a high risk of bad weather, or at least fog, that
would prevent you from seeing much, unless you want to go skiing.
(Actually, you really couldn't fit a skiing expedition into such a
short trip.)

Just out of curiousity, I looked at the web site of Lausanne, in
Switzerland, because I know that most trains from Paris to Italy stop
there. I see that there are some day trips in the Alps that you can
get from Lausanne, but they all end by the end of October.

If you take the train, at least you might get to see some nice
scenery. Maybe there is some other attractive stop-over point where
you could stay a few hours and catch a later train. However, you would
be stuck with all your luggage for those few hours. I myself would
just take the train straight through and hope for clear skies to see
some mountain peaks. If you want to see the Alps, return some other
time in summer, or for a winter skiing holiday.

Once you get to Milan, you can change trains to go to either Rome or
Venice. There are also overnight trains from Paris to Milan, but you
would miss any scenery that might be visible. It certainly wouldn't
pay you to get a rail pass. Last week, I made a round trip by night
train from Milan to Paris, and it cost me 120 euros total (in first
class). A daytime ticket might have a different price, but in your
case it would be one-way only, so I'm sure it would be cheaper than a
rail pass. Within Italy, trains are very cheap, so adding another trip
within Italy wouldn't make much difference.

Venice also is has a fairly high probability of fog at that time of
year. However, it wouldn't totally impede a visit, but given the short
time you have, I would suggest putting Venice off to another trip
also. It would be a shame if you had only one day in Venice and the
weather was really nasty the whole day.

I would encourage you to spend half your time in Paris and half in
Rome, with a nice train ride in between and maybe a day trip from each
city to see a bit of the countryside. Chartres would be a good day
trip from Paris, and Orvieto is a good day trip from Rome.

How does this itinerary look:

Day 1, get settled in, maybe take a boat cruise on the Seine if
they're running at that time of year. If not, just find some nice spot
to sit and people watch while you rest up from your trip.

Day 2 get a quick overview of Paris

Day 3 take a day trip to Chartres by train.

Day 4 see some of the things you missed in Paris on day 2

Day 5 leave for Rome, passing through the Alps

Day 6 visit the Vatican

Day 7 see some of the ancient sites of Rome (the Colosseum, the Roman
Forum)

Day 8 take a day trip to Orvieto by train. Notice the difference
between the Gothic cathedral in Chartres and the one in Orvieto.

Day 9 see some of what you missed in Rome on day 7. There is a lot to
see other than the ancient sites.

Day 10 return home

This trip would just give you a taste of both cities, but it would
also give you a look at some smaller towns, which are really more
typical of the culture than the large capital cities.




    >Here are the things that I need help with. I greatly appreciate your
    >feedback.
    >1. Travel: Is there a travel agent that you could recommend to get a
    >better trans Atlantic flight rates. We will be leaving from
    >Baltimore/Washington D.C. area and would like to reach Paris, and then
    >probably return from one of the Italian cities.
    >2. Travel from one country to another within Europe (and from one city
    >to another): Is it advisable to purchase rail tickets instead of rail
    >passes? Where can I find information on how long it takes and how much
    >it costs?
    >3. Itinerary feasibility: Do you think this itinerary is feasible? Or
    >should I make any changes? I have a total of 10 days including
    >trans-Atlantic flying time.
    >4. Places to stay: Do you have any recommendations on where we could
    >stay. We are planning to spend around $100/night.
    >5. Recommendations on "places to Visit": We are first time travelers,
    >we believe we like scenic mountains in Switzerland, Lakes in Italy,
    >over-all architectural beauty of Europe, and everything about Paris.
    >Are there any particular recommendations you would like to make?
    >6. Food: Both my wife and I are vegetarians; we hope finding
    >vegetarian food wouldn't be a problem. Milk products are okay.
    >7. Language: We both speak English, do we need to learn native
    >language of the country or can we manage with English?
    >Anything else that I am missing?
    >Thanks a lot in advance.
    >SP.

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Old Sep 16th 2004, 2:29 am
  #24  
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"Jim Ley" wrote
    | >People have diffrent desires. Two weeks in one city is just eternity
    | >in my opinion.
    | ... but I'd've thought 2 weeks would be a little long for the
    | inexperienced traveller mostly interested in "sights". moving
    | on would make more sense than digging deeper into the local
    | scene.

Of course, one does not have to spend 2 weeks *based* in a city actually
*in* that city. If one gets up early in the morning, breakfasts on the train
or bus, and returns late in the evening, one can travel a considerable
distance on a day trip outside the city, to local towns and villages.

Owain
 
Old Sep 16th 2004, 3:58 am
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On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:11:00 +0100, Sacha <[email protected]>
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    >> 3. Itinerary feasibility: Do you think this itinerary is feasible? Or
    >> should I make any changes? I have a total of 10 days including
    >> trans-Atlantic flying time.
    >I think you're trying to do too much, honestly. You haven't allowed for
    >feeling jet lagged for a day or three which will possibly slow you down.
    >>
Also not considered is the time it takes to check into one's hotel,
figure out the local public transportation system and generally orient
oneself to one's surroundings. Every city has a somewhat different
public transportation system and it is not always easy to figure out
the routing that will get you where you want to go. The Paris Metro
has good maps, but tram and bus systems in other cities are much
harder to navigate. You will be spending a good deal of time on
logistics. I've traveled in many European countries and cities, and
always have to visit the tourist office for information on transport
in places I've never been before, sit down in a cafe with a coffee
and spend some time working it all out.
 
Old Sep 16th 2004, 4:21 am
  #26  
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May I cite an analogy?
Instructions for flowers in a vase -- 1. put flowers in vase. 2. Take out
half. 3. Take out half. 4 Take out half. 5. Now leave it alone.
The same can be said for a trip to Europe. Everyone bites off much more than
they can enjoy. When I was in university I used to hitch-hike around the
continent, accumulating as many towns and cities as I could. I never stayed
anywhere long enough to know what it was like. The only thing I got was a
lot of small coins in a drawer.
My advice would be to pick a city, a town, and a small town, all near each
other, and visit them rather than pass thru them. There are plenty of really
nice "Sights" to see everywhere.
rjf

<[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > In article <[email protected]> ,
    > [email protected] (What Ever) wrote:
    > > My wife and I are planning to travel to Europe as tourists from USA
    > > between Nov. 20th and Nov. 28th. I need help in planning the trip.
    > >
    > > Here are the places we are interested in. We are primarily interested
    > > in site seeing.
    > >
    > > 1. Paris: I am assuming one night and two days would be sufficient. We
    > > are interested in visiting Eiffel Tower, Louvre, and Seine. I am not
    > > sure what else we can see in 2 days.
    > Not much. You could certainly see the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre in a day
    > and take one of the evening cruises on the Seine, which are quite
    > interesting (though I imagine they're pretty chilly in late November).
    > On the other day you could see a couple of other major sights, maybe
    > Notre Dame and Sacre Coeur/Montmartre.
    > But this is just scraping the obvious touristic surface of the city.
    > There's a general opinion in this group that it's not worth staying
    > anywhere for one night (except to break a journey, of course) because so
    > much of the two days surrounding is taken up finding the hotel/checking
    > in/getting your bearings/checking out the next day and so on. There can
    > also be a problem with having to carry luggage around.
    > > 2. Switzerland: Zurich, and Alps (I am not sure what city we should
    > > visit for Alps, and if November would be a good time). We are planning
    > > to stay for 1 night and 2 days.
    > With your limited time I would skip Switzerland - but see below.
    > > 3. Italy: We like to visit Rome, Vatican City, Venice. I am assuming 4
    > > days and 4 nights would be sufficient.
    > In this time you could have a good stab at seeing either Rome OR Venice.
    > IMHO although Venice has its loyal fans, there's more to do and see in
    > Rome and it's also more "typically Italian", if that matters to you.
    > The Vatican City is in Rome.
    > > 2. Travel from one country to another within Europe (and from one city
    > > to another): Is it advisable to purchase rail tickets instead of rail
    > > passes? Where can I find information on how long it takes and how much
    > > it costs?
    > > 3. Itinerary feasibility: Do you think this itinerary is feasible? Or
    > > should I make any changes? I have a total of 10 days including
    > > trans-Atlantic flying time.
    > It's very ambitious and won't leave you much time for enjoying yourself. I
    > would suggest you consider something like:
    > DAY 1 USA->Paris
    > DAY 2 in Paris
    > DAY 3 in Paris
    > DAY 4 in Paris
    > DAY 5 Paris -> Rome
    > DAY 6 in Rome
    > DAY 7 in Rome
    > DAY 8 in Rome
    > DAY 9 in Rome
    > DAY 10 Rome->USA
    > Of course you could give Paris an extra day and Rome a day less.
    > With your timescale I think you maybe ought to fly from Paris to Rome,
    > although train travel is certainly more interesting. It is getting on for
    > 1000 miles from Paris to Rome.
    > Alternatively, if you really want to see the Alps and the Italian lakes,
    > maybe you could find a rail route from Paris to Rome that takes you that
    > way. It would take some time out of your city stays, of course. If you do
    > decide to go by rail, for just one journey you'll almost certainly be
    > better off buying tickets rather than passes.
    > You can find European railway timetables at http://bahn.de. It has an
    > English option.
    > > 6. Food: Both my wife and I are vegetarians; we hope finding
    > > vegetarian food wouldn't be a problem. Milk products are okay.
    > This shouldn't be a problem in the cities, or in Italy in general; it
    > might be difficult in the French countryside. You can search this group
    > for recommendations for vegetarian eating in Paris.
    > > 7. Language: We both speak English, do we need to learn native
    > > language of the country or can we manage with English?
    > You'll be fine with only English in large cities, although it's polite -
    > and usually evokes a positive response - to try speaking a little of the
    > local language, even if it's only "hello, I don't speak [local language],
    > do you speak English, thanks, bye".
 
Old Sep 16th 2004, 4:23 am
  #27  
Jenn
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John Bermont wrote:

    >
    >
    > What Ever wrote:
    >
    >> 1. Paris: I am assuming one night and two days would be sufficient. We
    >> are interested in visiting Eiffel Tower, Louvre, and Seine. I am not
    >> sure what else we can see in 2 days.

one night is not 'two days' -- two nights is one full day -- for two
real days in Paris you need 3 nights

the arrival and departure days are full of logistics and dealing with
check in times etc.

while you can 'visit' several things in a day in any city, this little
time in Paris reduces it to a post card visit -- rent a video tour and
skip Paris altogether and spend the rest of your time in one or the
other place listed below


    >> 2. Switzerland: Zurich, and Alps (I am not sure what city we should
    >> visit for Alps, and if November would be a good time). We are planning
    >> to stay for 1 night and 2 days.
    >> 3. Italy: We like to visit Rome, Vatican City, Venice. I am assuming 4
    >> days and 4 nights would be sufficient.
    > For your 8 days select one from the list above. Save the others for
    > future trips.
    >
    > John Bermont
 
Old Sep 16th 2004, 7:58 am
  #28  
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[email protected] (What Ever) wrote in message news:<[email protected] om>...
    > My wife and I are planning to travel to Europe as tourists from USA
    > between Nov. 20th and Nov. 28th. I need help in planning the trip.
    >
    > Here are the places we are interested in. We are primarily interested
    > in site seeing.
    >
    > 1. Paris: I am assuming one night and two days would be sufficient. We
    > are interested in visiting Eiffel Tower, Louvre, and Seine. I am not
    > sure what else we can see in 2 days.
    >
    > 2. Switzerland: Zurich, and Alps (I am not sure what city we should
    > visit for Alps, and if November would be a good time). We are planning
    > to stay for 1 night and 2 days.
    >
    > 3. Italy: We like to visit Rome, Vatican City, Venice. I am assuming 4
    > days and 4 nights would be sufficient.
    >
    > Here are the things that I need help with. I greatly appreciate your
    > feedback.
    >
    > 1. Travel: Is there a travel agent that you could recommend to get a
    > better trans Atlantic flight rates. We will be leaving from
    > Baltimore/Washington D.C. area and would like to reach Paris, and then
    > probably return from one of the Italian cities.
    >
    > 2. Travel from one country to another within Europe (and from one city
    > to another): Is it advisable to purchase rail tickets instead of rail
    > passes? Where can I find information on how long it takes and how much
    > it costs?
    >
    > 3. Itinerary feasibility: Do you think this itinerary is feasible? Or
    > should I make any changes? I have a total of 10 days including
    > trans-Atlantic flying time.
    >
    > 4. Places to stay: Do you have any recommendations on where we could
    > stay. We are planning to spend around $100/night.
    >
    > 5. Recommendations on "places to Visit": We are first time travelers,
    > we believe we like scenic mountains in Switzerland, Lakes in Italy,
    > over-all architectural beauty of Europe, and everything about Paris.
    > Are there any particular recommendations you would like to make?
    >
    > 6. Food: Both my wife and I are vegetarians; we hope finding
    > vegetarian food wouldn't be a problem. Milk products are okay.
    >
    > 7. Language: We both speak English, do we need to learn native
    > language of the country or can we manage with English?
    >
    > Anything else that I am missing?
    >
    > Thanks a lot in advance.
    >
    > SP.

Thanks a lot to everyone. I'll reconsider my approach, and probably
come up with more questions later on. I agree with the stuff you have
all said.

I need to do some brainstorming this weekend.

Thanks again.

SP.
 
Old Sep 16th 2004, 8:07 am
  #29  
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<[email protected]> wrote:

    > >How about forgetting Paris, basing in Venice,
    >
    > in the November fog?
    >
    > > visiting Rome and the
    > >Dolomites or Italian Alps (and maybe the Lakes, Florence, etc.).


Dolomites in November?

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Old Sep 16th 2004, 8:07 am
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B Vaughan <[email protected]> wrote:

    > If you leave Paris on Monday and arrive in some town in
    > Switzerland in the late afternoon, and then find your hotel, unpack,
    > and have some dinner, you'll see very little of Switzerland before you
    > have to repack, check out of your hotel, go back to the train station
    > and continue your journey to Rome.

He'll see no Switzerland at all, considering that the country shuts up
at 6.30pm :-)


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