Gastronomic Decadence revisited
Nov 16th 2004, 5:39 am
#31
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Re: Gastronomic Decadence revisited
> I'm even more confused about american restaurants. The more we
> discuss it the more widely differing opinions I see, having been
> reasonably convinced by a few people here everything is fine
> recently, I again see this kind of opinion which fits to the
> opposite view. I'm even more interested in further comments,
> especially as we seem to be able to do it without a slanging
> match (hopes).
> --
That's because there are widely differing restaurants and styles in the U.S.
A few basic rules:
* don't eat anywhere near an interstate exit
* the more they advertise, the less you want to eat there
* stay away from chain restaurants
* stay away from any place that is overly color coordinated, usually with
bright primary colors, that makes the wait staff wear "cute" uniforms
* If the menu is more than a few pages, give it up. They can't do all of
that good (the Cheesecake Factory comes to mind)
* Similarly, if they offer dishes from multiple cuisine styles, run. See
note above.
I'm sure others have their own avoidance techniques. Feel free to add.
However, if you do find a place you like, ask your waiter, or the owner, to
recommend other places in town that you'll enjoy. Or even places in the next
city on your itinerary. Food is a subculture. There are those who "get it"
and those who don't. Those who do are thrilled to share experiences and
recommendations.
Sarah
> discuss it the more widely differing opinions I see, having been
> reasonably convinced by a few people here everything is fine
> recently, I again see this kind of opinion which fits to the
> opposite view. I'm even more interested in further comments,
> especially as we seem to be able to do it without a slanging
> match (hopes).
> --
That's because there are widely differing restaurants and styles in the U.S.
A few basic rules:
* don't eat anywhere near an interstate exit
* the more they advertise, the less you want to eat there
* stay away from chain restaurants
* stay away from any place that is overly color coordinated, usually with
bright primary colors, that makes the wait staff wear "cute" uniforms
* If the menu is more than a few pages, give it up. They can't do all of
that good (the Cheesecake Factory comes to mind)
* Similarly, if they offer dishes from multiple cuisine styles, run. See
note above.
I'm sure others have their own avoidance techniques. Feel free to add.
However, if you do find a place you like, ask your waiter, or the owner, to
recommend other places in town that you'll enjoy. Or even places in the next
city on your itinerary. Food is a subculture. There are those who "get it"
and those who don't. Those who do are thrilled to share experiences and
recommendations.
Sarah
Nov 16th 2004, 7:02 am
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Re: Gastronomic Decadence revisited
Actually you dont have to know a person. When I am traveling to the
hinterlands or a place I am unfamiliar with I do research and always
find the best possible place to eat. Not always wonderful but not bad
either. And if you need a recommendation for research go to
www.chowhound.com. They have great discussion boards and you can ask
like minded foodie type people to help you find places to eat. Then
usually if more than one person recommends a place you can try it.
> You can find very good restaurants in America. But you have to know a local
> American. The last time we were in Florida, last February, our daughter who
> lived then in Fort Lauderdale steered us to some very nice places. But if
> you don't know such a person, you are in for hard times. We were so lucky.
> The Rustic Inn, which had soft shell crab, became a real favorite with us,
> and we intend to go back when we visit again in May. Unpretentious, with
> newspaper for table cloths, but great food. I also recommend the steamed
> clams, one of my personal comfort foods from childhood.
hinterlands or a place I am unfamiliar with I do research and always
find the best possible place to eat. Not always wonderful but not bad
either. And if you need a recommendation for research go to
www.chowhound.com. They have great discussion boards and you can ask
like minded foodie type people to help you find places to eat. Then
usually if more than one person recommends a place you can try it.
> You can find very good restaurants in America. But you have to know a local
> American. The last time we were in Florida, last February, our daughter who
> lived then in Fort Lauderdale steered us to some very nice places. But if
> you don't know such a person, you are in for hard times. We were so lucky.
> The Rustic Inn, which had soft shell crab, became a real favorite with us,
> and we intend to go back when we visit again in May. Unpretentious, with
> newspaper for table cloths, but great food. I also recommend the steamed
> clams, one of my personal comfort foods from childhood.
Nov 16th 2004, 7:07 am
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Re: Gastronomic Decadence revisited
Again, even in the small towns of England and Scotland I had no
problem finding very good food. You just have to do your homework.
research. you'll find plenty.
I was in the Orkney's earlier this year and that is pretty damn
remote, but a place called The Creel in St. Margaret's Hope was just
wonderful and packed every evening and this in a town with two
streets, Front St and Back St.
> Choice of ethnic restaurant is one thing. Decent cooking is
> another. In Spain there is little non Spanish food anywhere,
> although in city areas you will get favoured non local regional
> cooking. But you get a convivial good meal with a bottle of wine
> and conversation late into the evening anywhere. I find much the
> same true of Italy although those here who know better defer. In
> UK finding good food probably does equate to where there is
> affluence, which of course does not equal city.
problem finding very good food. You just have to do your homework.
research. you'll find plenty.
I was in the Orkney's earlier this year and that is pretty damn
remote, but a place called The Creel in St. Margaret's Hope was just
wonderful and packed every evening and this in a town with two
streets, Front St and Back St.
> Choice of ethnic restaurant is one thing. Decent cooking is
> another. In Spain there is little non Spanish food anywhere,
> although in city areas you will get favoured non local regional
> cooking. But you get a convivial good meal with a bottle of wine
> and conversation late into the evening anywhere. I find much the
> same true of Italy although those here who know better defer. In
> UK finding good food probably does equate to where there is
> affluence, which of course does not equal city.
Nov 16th 2004, 7:10 am
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"Donna Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:
> > Boy, I eat out frequently and I've experienced nothing like you describe!
> > Generally I am offered a wonderful assortment of salads and soups. And I live
> > in a part of the country that isn't known for its good food. For example last
> > Saturday the restaurant where I ate offered the following salads: 1) Field
> > Greens with grape tomatoes, Gorgonzola cheese and candied walnuts 2) Roasted
> > Beet & Fennel confit tossed with spinach & goat cheese fondu 3) Grilled Caesar
> > with oven dried tomatoes and Peconion romano Cheese. The soup was Butternut
> > Squash.
> > Susie Q
>
> What part of the country is this? I would like to visit. It sounds like
> what I get here in France. I know I would love it.
Donna, this is more the norm in the US. I don't know where you and
Earl eat but this is not hard to find if you look for it. Maybe not in
the Red states so much but for sure in the Blue ones.
> > Boy, I eat out frequently and I've experienced nothing like you describe!
> > Generally I am offered a wonderful assortment of salads and soups. And I live
> > in a part of the country that isn't known for its good food. For example last
> > Saturday the restaurant where I ate offered the following salads: 1) Field
> > Greens with grape tomatoes, Gorgonzola cheese and candied walnuts 2) Roasted
> > Beet & Fennel confit tossed with spinach & goat cheese fondu 3) Grilled Caesar
> > with oven dried tomatoes and Peconion romano Cheese. The soup was Butternut
> > Squash.
> > Susie Q
>
> What part of the country is this? I would like to visit. It sounds like
> what I get here in France. I know I would love it.
Donna, this is more the norm in the US. I don't know where you and
Earl eat but this is not hard to find if you look for it. Maybe not in
the Red states so much but for sure in the Blue ones.
Nov 16th 2004, 7:46 am
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The Reids wrote:
> Following up to Ellie C
>
>
>>So my take on it all is that if you live in an affluent, cosmopolitan
>>area anywhere in the world you will have wonderful choices in
>>restaurants - it sort of goes with the definition, no? If you live in a
>>less affluent area, your best meals may well be the ones you cook at home.
>
>
> Choice of ethnic restaurant is one thing. Decent cooking is
> another. In Spain there is little non Spanish food anywhere,
> although in city areas you will get favoured non local regional
> cooking. But you get a convivial good meal with a bottle of wine
> and conversation late into the evening anywhere. I find much the
> same true of Italy although those here who know better defer. In
> UK finding good food probably does equate to where there is
> affluence, which of course does not equal city.
The best food I have ever eaten in the UK was in Belfast.
Try the seafood sometime.
T.
> Following up to Ellie C
>
>
>>So my take on it all is that if you live in an affluent, cosmopolitan
>>area anywhere in the world you will have wonderful choices in
>>restaurants - it sort of goes with the definition, no? If you live in a
>>less affluent area, your best meals may well be the ones you cook at home.
>
>
> Choice of ethnic restaurant is one thing. Decent cooking is
> another. In Spain there is little non Spanish food anywhere,
> although in city areas you will get favoured non local regional
> cooking. But you get a convivial good meal with a bottle of wine
> and conversation late into the evening anywhere. I find much the
> same true of Italy although those here who know better defer. In
> UK finding good food probably does equate to where there is
> affluence, which of course does not equal city.
The best food I have ever eaten in the UK was in Belfast.
Try the seafood sometime.
T.
Nov 16th 2004, 8:06 am
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a.spencer3 wrote:
> "Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:a%[email protected]...
>
>>chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn wrote:
>>>The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Following up to Ellie C
>>>>>So my take on it all is that if you live in an affluent, cosmopolitan
>>>>>area anywhere in the world you will have wonderful choices in
>>>>>restaurants - it sort of goes with the definition, no? If you live in a
>>>>>less affluent area, your best meals may well be the ones you cook at
>
> home.
>
>>>>Choice of ethnic restaurant is one thing. Decent cooking is
>>>>another. In Spain there is little non Spanish food anywhere,
>>>>although in city areas you will get favoured non local regional
>>>>cooking. But you get a convivial good meal with a bottle of wine
>>>>and conversation late into the evening anywhere.
>>>I did find it trivially easy to get good food in Spain, but the
>>>accompaniments to meals often lacked imagination, at least at the
>>>simpler restaurants. Specifically, we went to several otherwise
>>>excellent fish restaurants where the only side order you could get with
>>>it was french fries and a garlic laden tomato salad. Perfectly OK, but
>>>we got a bit tired of it. It was also interesting that places that
>>>boasted about their paella couldn't furnish you with a side dish of
>>>plain boiled rice. This was in andalucia- on a recent trip to Barcelona
>>>and environs, this was less of a problem.
>>>David
>>If you happen to find yourself near Ronda try a place called
>>Tragabuches. It was great as well as imaginative. Mostly derivative od
>>Spanish food but done with a good bit of creativity.
>
>
> D'you mean Rhondda? :-))
>
> Surreyman
>
>
I suspect that we need to compromise with the R and only one D. In any
case the place with the large gorge between the new town and the old
town in the southern hills. They have a bandit museum as I remember.
> "Frank F. Matthews" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:a%[email protected]...
>
>>chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn wrote:
>>>The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>Following up to Ellie C
>>>>>So my take on it all is that if you live in an affluent, cosmopolitan
>>>>>area anywhere in the world you will have wonderful choices in
>>>>>restaurants - it sort of goes with the definition, no? If you live in a
>>>>>less affluent area, your best meals may well be the ones you cook at
>
> home.
>
>>>>Choice of ethnic restaurant is one thing. Decent cooking is
>>>>another. In Spain there is little non Spanish food anywhere,
>>>>although in city areas you will get favoured non local regional
>>>>cooking. But you get a convivial good meal with a bottle of wine
>>>>and conversation late into the evening anywhere.
>>>I did find it trivially easy to get good food in Spain, but the
>>>accompaniments to meals often lacked imagination, at least at the
>>>simpler restaurants. Specifically, we went to several otherwise
>>>excellent fish restaurants where the only side order you could get with
>>>it was french fries and a garlic laden tomato salad. Perfectly OK, but
>>>we got a bit tired of it. It was also interesting that places that
>>>boasted about their paella couldn't furnish you with a side dish of
>>>plain boiled rice. This was in andalucia- on a recent trip to Barcelona
>>>and environs, this was less of a problem.
>>>David
>>If you happen to find yourself near Ronda try a place called
>>Tragabuches. It was great as well as imaginative. Mostly derivative od
>>Spanish food but done with a good bit of creativity.
>
>
> D'you mean Rhondda? :-))
>
> Surreyman
>
>
I suspect that we need to compromise with the R and only one D. In any
case the place with the large gorge between the new town and the old
town in the southern hills. They have a bandit museum as I remember.
Nov 16th 2004, 8:11 am
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chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn wrote:
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <1gnb7t3.qz35541h5sb9cN%this_address_is_for_spam@y ahoo.com>,
>>[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
>>th' barn) wrote:
>>>The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> []
>
>>>>I'm even more confused about american restaurants.
>>>It probably depends where you go.
>>I think it does. From my experience of the US (which in terms of numbers
>>of restaurants dined in is pretty much evenly spread around the
>>continental 48), and leaving out the fact that the best -- in the sense of
>>the most perfect, impossible-to-fault -- meal I /ever/ had was in
>>Charleston, I would say that if we could give percentage marks to
>>restaurants:
>>You find more under-50%s in Europe.
>>You find about the same number of 50-75%s on both sides of the Atlantic.
>>You find a few more 75-90%s in Europe.
>>You find about the same number of 90-100%s on both sides of the Atlantic.
>
>
> While it's difficult to be scientific, I pretty much agree with that.
>
With only a small desire for pedantry I would point out that you cannot
have two groups split into 4 categories with one group having more in
two categories and the same in the other two. Unless the categories
with more are minuscule more in a category has to be balanced by less
somewhere.
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <1gnb7t3.qz35541h5sb9cN%this_address_is_for_spam@y ahoo.com>,
>>[email protected] (chancellor of the duchy of besses o'
>>th' barn) wrote:
>>>The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> []
>
>>>>I'm even more confused about american restaurants.
>>>It probably depends where you go.
>>I think it does. From my experience of the US (which in terms of numbers
>>of restaurants dined in is pretty much evenly spread around the
>>continental 48), and leaving out the fact that the best -- in the sense of
>>the most perfect, impossible-to-fault -- meal I /ever/ had was in
>>Charleston, I would say that if we could give percentage marks to
>>restaurants:
>>You find more under-50%s in Europe.
>>You find about the same number of 50-75%s on both sides of the Atlantic.
>>You find a few more 75-90%s in Europe.
>>You find about the same number of 90-100%s on both sides of the Atlantic.
>
>
> While it's difficult to be scientific, I pretty much agree with that.
>
With only a small desire for pedantry I would point out that you cannot
have two groups split into 4 categories with one group having more in
two categories and the same in the other two. Unless the categories
with more are minuscule more in a category has to be balanced by less
somewhere.
Nov 16th 2004, 8:12 am
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Sarah Banick wrote:
>>I'm even more confused about american restaurants. The more we
>>discuss it the more widely differing opinions I see, having been
>>reasonably convinced by a few people here everything is fine
>>recently, I again see this kind of opinion which fits to the
>>opposite view. I'm even more interested in further comments,
>>especially as we seem to be able to do it without a slanging
>>match (hopes).
>>--
>
>
> That's because there are widely differing restaurants and styles in the U.S.
> A few basic rules:
>
> * don't eat anywhere near an interstate exit
> * the more they advertise, the less you want to eat there
> * stay away from chain restaurants
> * stay away from any place that is overly color coordinated, usually with
> bright primary colors, that makes the wait staff wear "cute" uniforms
> * If the menu is more than a few pages, give it up. They can't do all of
> that good (the Cheesecake Factory comes to mind)
> * Similarly, if they offer dishes from multiple cuisine styles, run. See
> note above.
I have seen exceptions to your last point. Usually family places where
the couple come from different cultures.
> I'm sure others have their own avoidance techniques. Feel free to add.
>
> However, if you do find a place you like, ask your waiter, or the owner, to
> recommend other places in town that you'll enjoy. Or even places in the next
> city on your itinerary. Food is a subculture. There are those who "get it"
> and those who don't. Those who do are thrilled to share experiences and
> recommendations.
>
> Sarah
>
>
>>I'm even more confused about american restaurants. The more we
>>discuss it the more widely differing opinions I see, having been
>>reasonably convinced by a few people here everything is fine
>>recently, I again see this kind of opinion which fits to the
>>opposite view. I'm even more interested in further comments,
>>especially as we seem to be able to do it without a slanging
>>match (hopes).
>>--
>
>
> That's because there are widely differing restaurants and styles in the U.S.
> A few basic rules:
>
> * don't eat anywhere near an interstate exit
> * the more they advertise, the less you want to eat there
> * stay away from chain restaurants
> * stay away from any place that is overly color coordinated, usually with
> bright primary colors, that makes the wait staff wear "cute" uniforms
> * If the menu is more than a few pages, give it up. They can't do all of
> that good (the Cheesecake Factory comes to mind)
> * Similarly, if they offer dishes from multiple cuisine styles, run. See
> note above.
I have seen exceptions to your last point. Usually family places where
the couple come from different cultures.
> I'm sure others have their own avoidance techniques. Feel free to add.
>
> However, if you do find a place you like, ask your waiter, or the owner, to
> recommend other places in town that you'll enjoy. Or even places in the next
> city on your itinerary. Food is a subculture. There are those who "get it"
> and those who don't. Those who do are thrilled to share experiences and
> recommendations.
>
> Sarah
>
>
Nov 16th 2004, 8:51 am
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Re: Gastronomic Decadence revisited
Frank F. Matthews <[email protected]> wrote:
> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> You find more under-50%s in Europe.
>>> You find about the same number of 50-75%s on both sides of the Atlantic.
>>> You find a few more 75-90%s in Europe.
>>> You find about the same number of 90-100%s on both sides of the Atlantic.
>>
>> While it's difficult to be scientific, I pretty much agree with that.
> With only a small desire for pedantry I would point out that you cannot
> have two groups split into 4 categories with one group having more in
> two categories and the same in the other two. Unless the categories
> with more are minuscule more in a category has to be balanced by less
> somewhere.
Perhaps there are more restaurants in Europe.
miguel
--
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> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn wrote:
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> You find more under-50%s in Europe.
>>> You find about the same number of 50-75%s on both sides of the Atlantic.
>>> You find a few more 75-90%s in Europe.
>>> You find about the same number of 90-100%s on both sides of the Atlantic.
>>
>> While it's difficult to be scientific, I pretty much agree with that.
> With only a small desire for pedantry I would point out that you cannot
> have two groups split into 4 categories with one group having more in
> two categories and the same in the other two. Unless the categories
> with more are minuscule more in a category has to be balanced by less
> somewhere.
Perhaps there are more restaurants in Europe.
miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos from 32 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu
Nov 16th 2004, 9:11 am
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nhampton <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> I was in the Orkney's earlier this year and that is pretty damn
> remote, but a place called The Creel in St. Margaret's Hope was just
> wonderful and packed every evening and this in a town with two
> streets, Front St and Back St.
I love Orkney, but it's not necessarily the best example of a remote
outback. It's well known for its culture generally (it has a well-known
music festival, and lots of other events year-round) and has a lot of
fine restaurants.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
[]
> I was in the Orkney's earlier this year and that is pretty damn
> remote, but a place called The Creel in St. Margaret's Hope was just
> wonderful and packed every evening and this in a town with two
> streets, Front St and Back St.
I love Orkney, but it's not necessarily the best example of a remote
outback. It's well known for its culture generally (it has a well-known
music festival, and lots of other events year-round) and has a lot of
fine restaurants.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Nov 16th 2004, 10:00 am
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
(a.spencer3) wrote:
> It was only around 1980 that we went to one of the new towns in the
> Hertfordshire area.
> The bar service in the hotel was appalling - very slow, wrong drinks
> being
> served, etc. We mentioned this and were told 'they're still learning'.
> Apparently the town - Harlow or similar? - had been developed by one of
> the
> chocolate quaker families who had built in many goodies for the incoming
> population, but had kept out the pubs!
> That year was the first year in which alcohol had been served!
I wonder where it was. Upon quick investigation I can't find any reference
to any of the new towns being dry and it's difficult to believe that would
have happened postwar; it's plausible in the era of Letchworth or Welwyn
Garden City, though, both early twentieth-century foundations.
Frinton in Essex had no pubs until very recently (one opened two or three
years ago), but AFAIK restaurants always served alcohol - it was a class
thing, not a drink thing!
Frinton is also legendary for forbidding the sale of ice creams on the sea
front lest it attract the wrong kind of tourist. Some enterprising
merchant started selling those little spinning wheels kids put on the top
of sandcastles - and giving away a free ice cream with each.
(a.spencer3) wrote:
> It was only around 1980 that we went to one of the new towns in the
> Hertfordshire area.
> The bar service in the hotel was appalling - very slow, wrong drinks
> being
> served, etc. We mentioned this and were told 'they're still learning'.
> Apparently the town - Harlow or similar? - had been developed by one of
> the
> chocolate quaker families who had built in many goodies for the incoming
> population, but had kept out the pubs!
> That year was the first year in which alcohol had been served!
I wonder where it was. Upon quick investigation I can't find any reference
to any of the new towns being dry and it's difficult to believe that would
have happened postwar; it's plausible in the era of Letchworth or Welwyn
Garden City, though, both early twentieth-century foundations.
Frinton in Essex had no pubs until very recently (one opened two or three
years ago), but AFAIK restaurants always served alcohol - it was a class
thing, not a drink thing!
Frinton is also legendary for forbidding the sale of ice creams on the sea
front lest it attract the wrong kind of tourist. Some enterprising
merchant started selling those little spinning wheels kids put on the top
of sandcastles - and giving away a free ice cream with each.
Nov 16th 2004, 6:29 pm
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:12:49 GMT, Frank F. Matthews wrote:
>> * Similarly, if they offer dishes from multiple cuisine styles, run. See
>> note above.
>
> I have seen exceptions to your last point. Usually family places where
> the couple come from different cultures.
There's a really good Korean/Thai restaurant near me like that. But the
menu is short, so they don't overstretch themselves.
--
Tim C.
>> * Similarly, if they offer dishes from multiple cuisine styles, run. See
>> note above.
>
> I have seen exceptions to your last point. Usually family places where
> the couple come from different cultures.
There's a really good Korean/Thai restaurant near me like that. But the
menu is short, so they don't overstretch themselves.
--
Tim C.
Nov 16th 2004, 8:56 pm
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Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>Specifically, we went to several otherwise
>excellent fish restaurants where the only side order you could get with
>it was french fries and a garlic laden tomato salad. Perfectly OK, but
>we got a bit tired of it. It was also interesting that places that
>boasted about their paella couldn't furnish you with a side dish of
>plain boiled rice.
Why would you want boiled rice with paella? I suspect that
reaction would also be that of the waiter! (Who knows best in
Spain). I'm not one for ordering side dishes, in the hope that
the restaurant knows how to construct a dish.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
>Specifically, we went to several otherwise
>excellent fish restaurants where the only side order you could get with
>it was french fries and a garlic laden tomato salad. Perfectly OK, but
>we got a bit tired of it. It was also interesting that places that
>boasted about their paella couldn't furnish you with a side dish of
>plain boiled rice.
Why would you want boiled rice with paella? I suspect that
reaction would also be that of the waiter! (Who knows best in
Spain). I'm not one for ordering side dishes, in the hope that
the restaurant knows how to construct a dish.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Nov 16th 2004, 8:56 pm
#44
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Re: Gastronomic Decadence revisited
Following up to nhampton
>I was in the Orkney's earlier this year and that is pretty damn
>remote, but a place called The Creel in St. Margaret's Hope was just
>wonderful
but damn hard to book, I phoned, wrote, faxed, emailed. Nothing.
In the end contacting the tourist office got them to return my
call within a couple of hours.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
>I was in the Orkney's earlier this year and that is pretty damn
>remote, but a place called The Creel in St. Margaret's Hope was just
>wonderful
but damn hard to book, I phoned, wrote, faxed, emailed. Nothing.
In the end contacting the tourist office got them to return my
call within a couple of hours.
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Nov 16th 2004, 8:57 pm
#45
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Re: Gastronomic Decadence revisited
Following up to chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
>I love Orkney, but it's not necessarily the best example of a remote
>outback. It's well known for its culture generally (it has a well-known
>music festival, and lots of other events year-round) and has a lot of
>fine restaurants.
can you recommend any others?
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
>I love Orkney, but it's not necessarily the best example of a remote
>outback. It's well known for its culture generally (it has a well-known
>music festival, and lots of other events year-round) and has a lot of
>fine restaurants.
can you recommend any others?
--
Mike Reid
Wasdale-Thames path-London-photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
