Gas Attacks on Tourists.
May 10th 2003, 9:40 am
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Gas Attacks on Tourists.
I have heard many tales about tourists, particularly on overnight trains,
being robbed while asleep after being gassed with "knockout gas".
Undoubtedly, such a thing exists- witness the ending of the Moscow theatre
seige.(The Russians used Phentanyl, an opiate, and over 100 people died from
exposure to it)
But these attacks on tourists always appear to be non-lethal.
Is this an urban myth? I have a reasonable knowledge of chemistry, but know
of no gas which has the effect described, which could be produced without
recourse to an extensive laboratory.
Any suggestions?
--
Regards,
Vince
Truck Driving In Russia- www.coventon.co.uk
being robbed while asleep after being gassed with "knockout gas".
Undoubtedly, such a thing exists- witness the ending of the Moscow theatre
seige.(The Russians used Phentanyl, an opiate, and over 100 people died from
exposure to it)
But these attacks on tourists always appear to be non-lethal.
Is this an urban myth? I have a reasonable knowledge of chemistry, but know
of no gas which has the effect described, which could be produced without
recourse to an extensive laboratory.
Any suggestions?
--
Regards,
Vince
Truck Driving In Russia- www.coventon.co.uk
May 10th 2003, 10:20 am
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Re: Gas Attacks on Tourists.
The Juggernaut Jockey wrote in article
...
> I have heard many tales about tourists, particularly on overnight trains,
> being robbed while asleep after being gassed with "knockout gas".
> Undoubtedly, such a thing exists- witness the ending of the Moscow
theatre
> seige.(The Russians used Phentanyl, an opiate, and over 100 people died
from
> exposure to it)
>
> But these attacks on tourists always appear to be non-lethal.
>
> Is this an urban myth? I have a reasonable knowledge of chemistry, but
know
> of no gas which has the effect described, which could be produced without
> recourse to an extensive laboratory.
Well, since the Moscow theatre gassing was carried out by experts, and
still more than 100 people died, it seems a bit unrealistic to believe that
gangs could gas loads of tourists without ever killing anyone... so I guess
it is an urban myth.
I personally think that this myth was started by people who were robbed in
the middle of the night while they were in a very deep sleep. The next
morning, when finding that goods had been stolen, they couldn't believe
they didn't hear anything... "Jeez, they must have gassed us...".
Regards,
David
...
> I have heard many tales about tourists, particularly on overnight trains,
> being robbed while asleep after being gassed with "knockout gas".
> Undoubtedly, such a thing exists- witness the ending of the Moscow
theatre
> seige.(The Russians used Phentanyl, an opiate, and over 100 people died
from
> exposure to it)
>
> But these attacks on tourists always appear to be non-lethal.
>
> Is this an urban myth? I have a reasonable knowledge of chemistry, but
know
> of no gas which has the effect described, which could be produced without
> recourse to an extensive laboratory.
Well, since the Moscow theatre gassing was carried out by experts, and
still more than 100 people died, it seems a bit unrealistic to believe that
gangs could gas loads of tourists without ever killing anyone... so I guess
it is an urban myth.
I personally think that this myth was started by people who were robbed in
the middle of the night while they were in a very deep sleep. The next
morning, when finding that goods had been stolen, they couldn't believe
they didn't hear anything... "Jeez, they must have gassed us...".
Regards,
David
May 10th 2003, 12:34 pm
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Re: Gas Attacks on Tourists.
"David Eerdmans" skrev i meddelandet
news:01c31742$6dcdf380$9600000a@computer...
> The Juggernaut Jockey wrote in article
> ...
> > I have heard many tales about tourists, particularly on overnight
trains,
> > being robbed while asleep after being gassed with "knockout gas".
> > Undoubtedly, such a thing exists- witness the ending of the Moscow
> theatre
> > seige.(The Russians used Phentanyl, an opiate, and over 100 people died
> from
> > exposure to it)
> >
> > But these attacks on tourists always appear to be non-lethal.
> >
> > Is this an urban myth? I have a reasonable knowledge of chemistry, but
> know
> > of no gas which has the effect described, which could be produced
without
> > recourse to an extensive laboratory.
> Well, since the Moscow theatre gassing was carried out by experts, and
> still more than 100 people died, it seems a bit unrealistic to believe
that
> gangs could gas loads of tourists without ever killing anyone... so I
guess
> it is an urban myth.
> I personally think that this myth was started by people who were robbed in
> the middle of the night while they were in a very deep sleep. The next
> morning, when finding that goods had been stolen, they couldn't believe
> they didn't hear anything... "Jeez, they must have gassed us...".
> Regards,
> David
I'm inclined to agree with you. This is probably an urban myth. Always
someone else and happened somewhere else...
Anaesthesia in a hospital is a complicated thing involving doctor and nurse
and it's still a risk using such things so why should robbers be so
successful ?
I've seen the story now and then for some 25 years, first time was a
commercial in the movies when an insurance company told it (happy end of
course for the one insured) .
Theft and such things onboard a running train ,also a night train,isn't so
easy. There's a big risk being caught red-handed by the attendant,someone
awake or someone moving in the corridor to see the loo or so, a running
train is more or less like an isolated island.
In my opinion the stations are the most troubled places while going by train
and I think anyone should be careful in the big stations where
pickpocketing,bagsnatching and such things do exist.
Why should the crime travel away with complicated gas equipment when they
can find an easy prey at home ?
L.P
news:01c31742$6dcdf380$9600000a@computer...
> The Juggernaut Jockey wrote in article
> ...
> > I have heard many tales about tourists, particularly on overnight
trains,
> > being robbed while asleep after being gassed with "knockout gas".
> > Undoubtedly, such a thing exists- witness the ending of the Moscow
> theatre
> > seige.(The Russians used Phentanyl, an opiate, and over 100 people died
> from
> > exposure to it)
> >
> > But these attacks on tourists always appear to be non-lethal.
> >
> > Is this an urban myth? I have a reasonable knowledge of chemistry, but
> know
> > of no gas which has the effect described, which could be produced
without
> > recourse to an extensive laboratory.
> Well, since the Moscow theatre gassing was carried out by experts, and
> still more than 100 people died, it seems a bit unrealistic to believe
that
> gangs could gas loads of tourists without ever killing anyone... so I
guess
> it is an urban myth.
> I personally think that this myth was started by people who were robbed in
> the middle of the night while they were in a very deep sleep. The next
> morning, when finding that goods had been stolen, they couldn't believe
> they didn't hear anything... "Jeez, they must have gassed us...".
> Regards,
> David
I'm inclined to agree with you. This is probably an urban myth. Always
someone else and happened somewhere else...
Anaesthesia in a hospital is a complicated thing involving doctor and nurse
and it's still a risk using such things so why should robbers be so
successful ?
I've seen the story now and then for some 25 years, first time was a
commercial in the movies when an insurance company told it (happy end of
course for the one insured) .
Theft and such things onboard a running train ,also a night train,isn't so
easy. There's a big risk being caught red-handed by the attendant,someone
awake or someone moving in the corridor to see the loo or so, a running
train is more or less like an isolated island.
In my opinion the stations are the most troubled places while going by train
and I think anyone should be careful in the big stations where
pickpocketing,bagsnatching and such things do exist.
Why should the crime travel away with complicated gas equipment when they
can find an easy prey at home ?
L.P
May 10th 2003, 6:47 pm
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Re: Gas Attacks on Tourists.
It happened to a couple of female UK TV presenters ("What Not to Wear") in a
hotel room in, I think, the South of France. Happily they were only robbed,
nothing more serious.
"The Juggernaut Jockey" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have heard many tales about tourists, particularly on overnight trains,
> being robbed while asleep after being gassed with "knockout gas".
> Undoubtedly, such a thing exists- witness the ending of the Moscow theatre
> seige.(The Russians used Phentanyl, an opiate, and over 100 people died
from
> exposure to it)
> But these attacks on tourists always appear to be non-lethal.
> Is this an urban myth? I have a reasonable knowledge of chemistry, but
know
> of no gas which has the effect described, which could be produced without
> recourse to an extensive laboratory.
> Any suggestions?
> --
> Regards,
> Vince
> Truck Driving In Russia- www.coventon.co.uk
hotel room in, I think, the South of France. Happily they were only robbed,
nothing more serious.
"The Juggernaut Jockey" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> I have heard many tales about tourists, particularly on overnight trains,
> being robbed while asleep after being gassed with "knockout gas".
> Undoubtedly, such a thing exists- witness the ending of the Moscow theatre
> seige.(The Russians used Phentanyl, an opiate, and over 100 people died
from
> exposure to it)
> But these attacks on tourists always appear to be non-lethal.
> Is this an urban myth? I have a reasonable knowledge of chemistry, but
know
> of no gas which has the effect described, which could be produced without
> recourse to an extensive laboratory.
> Any suggestions?
> --
> Regards,
> Vince
> Truck Driving In Russia- www.coventon.co.uk
May 10th 2003, 6:55 pm
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Re: Gas Attacks on Tourists.
Pure crap.
Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> It happened to a couple of female UK TV presenters ("What Not to Wear") in a
> hotel room in, I think, the South of France. Happily they were only robbed,
> nothing more serious.
>
> "The Juggernaut Jockey" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I have heard many tales about tourists, particularly on overnight trains,
>>being robbed while asleep after being gassed with "knockout gas".
>>Undoubtedly, such a thing exists- witness the ending of the Moscow theatre
>>seige.(The Russians used Phentanyl, an opiate, and over 100 people died
>
> from
>
>>exposure to it)
>>But these attacks on tourists always appear to be non-lethal.
>>Is this an urban myth? I have a reasonable knowledge of chemistry, but
>
> know
>
>>of no gas which has the effect described, which could be produced without
>>recourse to an extensive laboratory.
>>Any suggestions?
>>--
>>Regards,
>>Vince
>>Truck Driving In Russia- www.coventon.co.uk
>
>
>
Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> It happened to a couple of female UK TV presenters ("What Not to Wear") in a
> hotel room in, I think, the South of France. Happily they were only robbed,
> nothing more serious.
>
> "The Juggernaut Jockey" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>I have heard many tales about tourists, particularly on overnight trains,
>>being robbed while asleep after being gassed with "knockout gas".
>>Undoubtedly, such a thing exists- witness the ending of the Moscow theatre
>>seige.(The Russians used Phentanyl, an opiate, and over 100 people died
>
> from
>
>>exposure to it)
>>But these attacks on tourists always appear to be non-lethal.
>>Is this an urban myth? I have a reasonable knowledge of chemistry, but
>
> know
>
>>of no gas which has the effect described, which could be produced without
>>recourse to an extensive laboratory.
>>Any suggestions?
>>--
>>Regards,
>>Vince
>>Truck Driving In Russia- www.coventon.co.uk
>
>
>
May 10th 2003, 9:05 pm
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Re: Gas Attacks on Tourists.
it happened in spain and south france with people sleeping in camping cars
the bad guys uses gas normally used for horses anaesthesy
"The Juggernaut Jockey" a écrit dans le message de
news: [email protected]...
> I have heard many tales about tourists, particularly on overnight trains,
> being robbed while asleep after being gassed with "knockout gas".
> Undoubtedly, such a thing exists- witness the ending of the Moscow theatre
> seige.(The Russians used Phentanyl, an opiate, and over 100 people died
from
> exposure to it)
> But these attacks on tourists always appear to be non-lethal.
> Is this an urban myth? I have a reasonable knowledge of chemistry, but
know
> of no gas which has the effect described, which could be produced without
> recourse to an extensive laboratory.
> Any suggestions?
> --
> Regards,
> Vince
> Truck Driving In Russia- www.coventon.co.uk
the bad guys uses gas normally used for horses anaesthesy
"The Juggernaut Jockey" a écrit dans le message de
news: [email protected]...
> I have heard many tales about tourists, particularly on overnight trains,
> being robbed while asleep after being gassed with "knockout gas".
> Undoubtedly, such a thing exists- witness the ending of the Moscow theatre
> seige.(The Russians used Phentanyl, an opiate, and over 100 people died
from
> exposure to it)
> But these attacks on tourists always appear to be non-lethal.
> Is this an urban myth? I have a reasonable knowledge of chemistry, but
know
> of no gas which has the effect described, which could be produced without
> recourse to an extensive laboratory.
> Any suggestions?
> --
> Regards,
> Vince
> Truck Driving In Russia- www.coventon.co.uk
May 11th 2003, 4:46 am
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Re: Gas Attacks on Tourists.
"Jim Lamberton" wrote in message
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> Pure crap.
http://film.guardian.co.uk/cannes200...723377,00.html
TV duo drugged at Cannes
Two television presenters best known for the BBC2 make-over series What Not
To Wear were robbed, possibly after being drugged, while at the Cannes film
festival, it emerged yesterday.
French police were investigating claims that Trinny Woodall and Susannah
Constantine may have been knocked out by intruders who placed
chloroform-soaked pads over their mouths as they slept.
The pair, who used to write a column together for the Daily Telegraph, were
on the Riviera working on a special edition of the BBC2 programme.
Ms Woodall and Ms Constantine were sleeping in the same room at a friend's
villa. They woke up to find that cash and jewellery had been taken.
They are understood to have told police they believed they had been drugged.
They woke up feeling as though they had hangovers. There was also a chemical
smell in the room.
A BBC spokeswoman said: "It was a horrible shock for the girls. They want to
put it behind them."
The pair returned home immediately after the incident, which happened last
Monday.
Steven Morris
Tuesday May 28, 2002
The Guardian
> Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> > It happened to a couple of female UK TV presenters ("What Not to Wear")
in a
> > hotel room in, I think, the South of France. Happily they were only
robbed,
> > nothing more serious.
news:[email protected]...
> Pure crap.
http://film.guardian.co.uk/cannes200...723377,00.html
TV duo drugged at Cannes
Two television presenters best known for the BBC2 make-over series What Not
To Wear were robbed, possibly after being drugged, while at the Cannes film
festival, it emerged yesterday.
French police were investigating claims that Trinny Woodall and Susannah
Constantine may have been knocked out by intruders who placed
chloroform-soaked pads over their mouths as they slept.
The pair, who used to write a column together for the Daily Telegraph, were
on the Riviera working on a special edition of the BBC2 programme.
Ms Woodall and Ms Constantine were sleeping in the same room at a friend's
villa. They woke up to find that cash and jewellery had been taken.
They are understood to have told police they believed they had been drugged.
They woke up feeling as though they had hangovers. There was also a chemical
smell in the room.
A BBC spokeswoman said: "It was a horrible shock for the girls. They want to
put it behind them."
The pair returned home immediately after the incident, which happened last
Monday.
Steven Morris
Tuesday May 28, 2002
The Guardian
> Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> > It happened to a couple of female UK TV presenters ("What Not to Wear")
in a
> > hotel room in, I think, the South of France. Happily they were only
robbed,
> > nothing more serious.
May 11th 2003, 4:57 am
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Re: Gas Attacks on Tourists.
Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> "Jim Lamberton" wrote:
>> Pure crap.
> They are understood to have told police they believed they had been drugged.
> They woke up feeling as though they had hangovers. There was also a chemical
> smell in the room.
Anyone can make it be understood that they have told police that they
believe they have been drugged. That's pretty far removed from proof (or
even a plausible assertion) that anyone was actually drugged.
miguel
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> "Jim Lamberton" wrote:
>> Pure crap.
> They are understood to have told police they believed they had been drugged.
> They woke up feeling as though they had hangovers. There was also a chemical
> smell in the room.
Anyone can make it be understood that they have told police that they
believe they have been drugged. That's pretty far removed from proof (or
even a plausible assertion) that anyone was actually drugged.
miguel
--
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May 11th 2003, 5:53 am
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"Miguel Cruz" wrote in message
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> Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> > "Jim Lamberton" wrote:
> >> Pure crap.
> >
> > They are understood to have told police they believed they had been
drugged.
> > They woke up feeling as though they had hangovers. There was also a
chemical
> > smell in the room.
> Anyone can make it be understood that they have told police that they
> believe they have been drugged. That's pretty far removed from proof (or
> even a plausible assertion) that anyone was actually drugged.
They filed a police report. What possible reason do you have for not
believing them?
news:[email protected]...
> Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> > "Jim Lamberton" wrote:
> >> Pure crap.
> >
> > They are understood to have told police they believed they had been
drugged.
> > They woke up feeling as though they had hangovers. There was also a
chemical
> > smell in the room.
> Anyone can make it be understood that they have told police that they
> believe they have been drugged. That's pretty far removed from proof (or
> even a plausible assertion) that anyone was actually drugged.
They filed a police report. What possible reason do you have for not
believing them?
May 11th 2003, 8:14 am
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"claims" "may have been" "they believed"
"chloroform-soaked pads" are not what I call the definition of "gas." If
the perpetrator is not careful he can kill the victim. Besides, it's
highly flammable.
Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> "Jim Lamberton" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Pure crap.
>
>
> http://film.guardian.co.uk/cannes200...723377,00.html
>
> TV duo drugged at Cannes
>
> Two television presenters best known for the BBC2 make-over series What Not
> To Wear were robbed, possibly after being drugged, while at the Cannes film
> festival, it emerged yesterday.
>
> French police were investigating claims that Trinny Woodall and Susannah
> Constantine may have been knocked out by intruders who placed
> chloroform-soaked pads over their mouths as they slept.
>
> The pair, who used to write a column together for the Daily Telegraph, were
> on the Riviera working on a special edition of the BBC2 programme.
>
> Ms Woodall and Ms Constantine were sleeping in the same room at a friend's
> villa. They woke up to find that cash and jewellery had been taken.
>
> They are understood to have told police they believed they had been drugged.
> They woke up feeling as though they had hangovers. There was also a chemical
> smell in the room.
>
> A BBC spokeswoman said: "It was a horrible shock for the girls. They want to
> put it behind them."
>
> The pair returned home immediately after the incident, which happened last
> Monday.
>
> Steven Morris
>
> Tuesday May 28, 2002
>
> The Guardian
>
>
>
>>Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
>>>It happened to a couple of female UK TV presenters ("What Not to Wear")
>
> in a
>
>>>hotel room in, I think, the South of France. Happily they were only
>
> robbed,
>
>>>nothing more serious.
>
>
>
"chloroform-soaked pads" are not what I call the definition of "gas." If
the perpetrator is not careful he can kill the victim. Besides, it's
highly flammable.
Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> "Jim Lamberton" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Pure crap.
>
>
> http://film.guardian.co.uk/cannes200...723377,00.html
>
> TV duo drugged at Cannes
>
> Two television presenters best known for the BBC2 make-over series What Not
> To Wear were robbed, possibly after being drugged, while at the Cannes film
> festival, it emerged yesterday.
>
> French police were investigating claims that Trinny Woodall and Susannah
> Constantine may have been knocked out by intruders who placed
> chloroform-soaked pads over their mouths as they slept.
>
> The pair, who used to write a column together for the Daily Telegraph, were
> on the Riviera working on a special edition of the BBC2 programme.
>
> Ms Woodall and Ms Constantine were sleeping in the same room at a friend's
> villa. They woke up to find that cash and jewellery had been taken.
>
> They are understood to have told police they believed they had been drugged.
> They woke up feeling as though they had hangovers. There was also a chemical
> smell in the room.
>
> A BBC spokeswoman said: "It was a horrible shock for the girls. They want to
> put it behind them."
>
> The pair returned home immediately after the incident, which happened last
> Monday.
>
> Steven Morris
>
> Tuesday May 28, 2002
>
> The Guardian
>
>
>
>>Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
>>>It happened to a couple of female UK TV presenters ("What Not to Wear")
>
> in a
>
>>>hotel room in, I think, the South of France. Happily they were only
>
> robbed,
>
>>>nothing more serious.
>
>
>
May 11th 2003, 8:20 am
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Re: Gas Attacks on Tourists.
I can't comment on being gassed or drugged, but I live in Cannes and was
told by my locksmith that the number of break-ins and muggings during the
film festival is very high and this includes villas as well as the top
hotels. All the thieves from miles around know that there is jewelry and
expensive equipment to be found.
Lana
"Mike O'Sullivan" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Jim Lamberton" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Pure crap.
> http://film.guardian.co.uk/cannes200...723377,00.html
> TV duo drugged at Cannes
> Two television presenters best known for the BBC2 make-over series What
Not
> To Wear were robbed, possibly after being drugged, while at the Cannes
film
> festival, it emerged yesterday.
> French police were investigating claims that Trinny Woodall and Susannah
> Constantine may have been knocked out by intruders who placed
> chloroform-soaked pads over their mouths as they slept.
> The pair, who used to write a column together for the Daily Telegraph,
were
> on the Riviera working on a special edition of the BBC2 programme.
> Ms Woodall and Ms Constantine were sleeping in the same room at a friend's
> villa. They woke up to find that cash and jewellery had been taken.
> They are understood to have told police they believed they had been
drugged.
> They woke up feeling as though they had hangovers. There was also a
chemical
> smell in the room.
> A BBC spokeswoman said: "It was a horrible shock for the girls. They want
to
> put it behind them."
> The pair returned home immediately after the incident, which happened last
> Monday.
> Steven Morris
> Tuesday May 28, 2002
> The Guardian
> >
> > Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> > > It happened to a couple of female UK TV presenters ("What Not to
Wear")
> in a
> > > hotel room in, I think, the South of France. Happily they were only
> robbed,
> > > nothing more serious.
told by my locksmith that the number of break-ins and muggings during the
film festival is very high and this includes villas as well as the top
hotels. All the thieves from miles around know that there is jewelry and
expensive equipment to be found.
Lana
"Mike O'Sullivan" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> "Jim Lamberton" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Pure crap.
> http://film.guardian.co.uk/cannes200...723377,00.html
> TV duo drugged at Cannes
> Two television presenters best known for the BBC2 make-over series What
Not
> To Wear were robbed, possibly after being drugged, while at the Cannes
film
> festival, it emerged yesterday.
> French police were investigating claims that Trinny Woodall and Susannah
> Constantine may have been knocked out by intruders who placed
> chloroform-soaked pads over their mouths as they slept.
> The pair, who used to write a column together for the Daily Telegraph,
were
> on the Riviera working on a special edition of the BBC2 programme.
> Ms Woodall and Ms Constantine were sleeping in the same room at a friend's
> villa. They woke up to find that cash and jewellery had been taken.
> They are understood to have told police they believed they had been
drugged.
> They woke up feeling as though they had hangovers. There was also a
chemical
> smell in the room.
> A BBC spokeswoman said: "It was a horrible shock for the girls. They want
to
> put it behind them."
> The pair returned home immediately after the incident, which happened last
> Monday.
> Steven Morris
> Tuesday May 28, 2002
> The Guardian
> >
> > Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> > > It happened to a couple of female UK TV presenters ("What Not to
Wear")
> in a
> > > hotel room in, I think, the South of France. Happily they were only
> robbed,
> > > nothing more serious.
May 11th 2003, 8:52 am
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Re: Gas Attacks on Tourists.
Mike O'Sullivan wrote in article
...
>
> "Jim Lamberton" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Pure crap.
>
> http://film.guardian.co.uk/cannes200...723377,00.html
>
> TV duo drugged at Cannes
>
> Two television presenters best known for the BBC2 make-over series What
Not
> To Wear were robbed, possibly after being drugged, while at the Cannes
film
> festival, it emerged yesterday.
**Possibly** after being drugged. And the headline says "TV duo drugged at
Cannes". Neutral journalism, eh?
Regards,
David
...
>
> "Jim Lamberton" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Pure crap.
>
> http://film.guardian.co.uk/cannes200...723377,00.html
>
> TV duo drugged at Cannes
>
> Two television presenters best known for the BBC2 make-over series What
Not
> To Wear were robbed, possibly after being drugged, while at the Cannes
film
> festival, it emerged yesterday.
**Possibly** after being drugged. And the headline says "TV duo drugged at
Cannes". Neutral journalism, eh?
Regards,
David
May 11th 2003, 9:31 am
#13
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Re: Gas Attacks on Tourists.
Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
> "Miguel Cruz" wrote:
>> Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
>>> "Jim Lamberton" wrote:
>>>> Pure crap.
>>> They are understood to have told police they believed they had been
>>> drugged. They woke up feeling as though they had hangovers. There was
>>> also a chemical smell in the room.
>> Anyone can make it be understood that they have told police that they
>> believe they have been drugged. That's pretty far removed from proof (or
>> even a plausible assertion) that anyone was actually drugged.
> They filed a police report. What possible reason do you have for not
> believing them?
The reporter doesn't believe them; why should I? Their claim is highly
implausible. People file police reports alleging all sorts of things. Then
the police investigate. After that we have some reasonable evidentiary basis
for assessing what might have happened.
miguel
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> "Miguel Cruz" wrote:
>> Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
>>> "Jim Lamberton" wrote:
>>>> Pure crap.
>>> They are understood to have told police they believed they had been
>>> drugged. They woke up feeling as though they had hangovers. There was
>>> also a chemical smell in the room.
>> Anyone can make it be understood that they have told police that they
>> believe they have been drugged. That's pretty far removed from proof (or
>> even a plausible assertion) that anyone was actually drugged.
> They filed a police report. What possible reason do you have for not
> believing them?
The reporter doesn't believe them; why should I? Their claim is highly
implausible. People file police reports alleging all sorts of things. Then
the police investigate. After that we have some reasonable evidentiary basis
for assessing what might have happened.
miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
Latest photos: Maldives, Dubai and Vietnam
May 11th 2003, 10:29 pm
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Re: Gas Attacks on Tourists.
Following up to The Juggernaut Jockey
>Is this an urban myth?
Never heard of it here in Uk, most thieves use cruder methods, I doubt
it happens a lot.
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>Is this an urban myth?
Never heard of it here in Uk, most thieves use cruder methods, I doubt
it happens a lot.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
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May 11th 2003, 11:14 pm
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Re: Gas Attacks on Tourists.
The Juggernaut Jockey wrote:
>
> I have heard many tales about tourists, particularly on overnight trains,
> being robbed while asleep after being gassed with "knockout gas".
> Undoubtedly, such a thing exists- witness the ending of the Moscow theatre
> seige.(The Russians used Phentanyl, an opiate, and over 100 people died from
> exposure to it)
>
> But these attacks on tourists always appear to be non-lethal.
>
> Is this an urban myth? I have a reasonable knowledge of chemistry, but know
> of no gas which has the effect described, which could be produced without
> recourse to an extensive laboratory.
There really is no gas that can have the effect described in these
tales. The dosage of anesthetics used in hospitals has to be carefully
calculated to take into account the age and weight of the patient and
how recently and how much they ate. Any gas sprayed at random in the air
would either not tranquilize some people or would have serious harmful
effects on others.
Barbara
>
> I have heard many tales about tourists, particularly on overnight trains,
> being robbed while asleep after being gassed with "knockout gas".
> Undoubtedly, such a thing exists- witness the ending of the Moscow theatre
> seige.(The Russians used Phentanyl, an opiate, and over 100 people died from
> exposure to it)
>
> But these attacks on tourists always appear to be non-lethal.
>
> Is this an urban myth? I have a reasonable knowledge of chemistry, but know
> of no gas which has the effect described, which could be produced without
> recourse to an extensive laboratory.
There really is no gas that can have the effect described in these
tales. The dosage of anesthetics used in hospitals has to be carefully
calculated to take into account the age and weight of the patient and
how recently and how much they ate. Any gas sprayed at random in the air
would either not tranquilize some people or would have serious harmful
effects on others.
Barbara
