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Old Dec 28th 2006, 2:59 am
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Earl Evleth
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On 28/12/06 16:33, in article [email protected],
"TMOliver" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In recent years, especially among more affluent African Americans, cognac -
    > only the better known and promoted brands - consumption has risen, however,
    > it should be noted that most orders are for "Cognac & Coke" (or Pepsi, a
    > frightening comment on palates and imagined sophistication).

Yipes, that is really treating Cognac in a harsh fashion!

While one is at it, why not Dr. Pepper?

    > "Crown Royal, a Canadian style whisky with elevated price and promotion (but
    > not quality) has similarly been populized among Blacks.
`
When I was a kid there was a popular song "Rum and Cocacola". Rum seems
to do well in all sorts of sweat oriented drinks. It is sneaky stuff
however, I still remember one very drunk girl falling off the dock
at an island bar at Bitter End, British Virgin Islands. I only had
two of those combinations (banana and rum) and was out of it.

    >
    > But don't forget the classic tipple of the upper class English, "Brandy and
    > Soda" (and in some foreign climes and social orders, the dreaded
    > "Brandy-Ginger".

I will try and forget, quand m�me.
 
Old Dec 28th 2006, 3:45 am
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Jordi
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TMOliver ha escrito:

    > In recent years, especially among more affluent African Americans, cognac -
    > only the better known and promoted brands - consumption has risen, however,
    > it should be noted that most orders are for "Cognac & Coke" (or Pepsi, a
    > frightening comment on palates and imagined sophistication).

Spanish brandy producers have tried several times to lighten up the
image of their drink with rather intense advertising, new bottling and
sweeter formulae to atract the young weekend drinker. So far
unsuccessfully, btw., brandy remains a popular drink to mix with coffee
(carajillo) or along with coffee and a cigar for middle aged men and
up.


J.
 
Old Dec 28th 2006, 4:01 am
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TMOliver wrote:
    > "Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote ...
    > > On 28/12/06 6:15, in article
    > "Iceman"> <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> I can see that. Outside of the hip-hop community, cognac is drunk in
    > >> small amounts by connoisseurs.
    > >
    > >
    > > I prefer Armagnac over Cognac. Both are "digestifs", consumed
    > > after a meal. There are others. Calvados when it is quality
    > > stuff, is also nice and of course the Italian grappa and other
    > > "eau de vie".
    > In recent years, especially among more affluent African Americans, cognac -
    > only the better known and promoted brands - consumption has risen, however,
    > it should be noted that most orders are for "Cognac & Coke" (or Pepsi, a
    > frightening comment on palates and imagined sophistication).

Kind of defeats the point I think. Might as well just have Bacardi and
Coke, not waste cognac when you won't really taste it.

    > "Crown Royal, a Canadian style whisky with elevated price and promotion (but
    > not quality) has similarly been populized among Blacks. These days, I'd hardly
    > buy a popular brand of cognac, realizing that there's no way to keep up the
    > quality with the increase in demand.

That's probably true of the lower grades, but the XO barrels were
started years before cognac's recent surge in popularity.

    > Even all the undrinkable wine from the Charente can't find enough casks
    > to hold and age its distillate. Armagnac's a better bet (and still better than
    > most of the over sweet, too caramelized Spanish brandies).

I never liked Spanish brandies, for the reasons you state.
 
Old Dec 28th 2006, 6:38 am
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Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:

[]
    > The US Food and Drug Administration is very strict -

You need ID, and to give your address if you want to score some Sudafed
now. (As of September apparently) I was caught out by this weird new law
yesterday...

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Old Dec 28th 2006, 6:57 am
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David Horne, _the_ chancellor * wrote:

    > Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
    > []
    > > The US Food and Drug Administration is very strict -
    > You need ID, and to give your address if you want to score some Sudafed
    > now. (As of September apparently) I was caught out by this weird new law
    > yesterday...


It's tiresome. And you can only buy one box (or maybe two) at a
time...

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Old Dec 28th 2006, 7:16 am
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David Horne, _the_ chancellor * wrote:
    > Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
    > []
    > > The US Food and Drug Administration is very strict -
    > You need ID, and to give your address if you want to score some Sudafed
    > now. (As of September apparently) I was caught out by this weird new law
    > yesterday...

Cough medicine can be made into Meth using standard household chemicals.
 
Old Dec 28th 2006, 8:16 am
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Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:

    > David Horne, _the_ chancellor * wrote:
    > > Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > []
    > > > The US Food and Drug Administration is very strict -
    > >
    > > You need ID, and to give your address if you want to score some Sudafed
    > > now. (As of September apparently) I was caught out by this weird new law
    > > yesterday...
    >
    > Cough medicine can be made into Meth using standard household chemicals.

I think it should all be banned, and frankly, we should all be arrested.

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Old Dec 28th 2006, 8:26 am
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Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
wrote:

    > Let is be knownst that on 28 Dec 2006 12:16:00 -0800, "Iceman"
    > <[email protected]> writted:
    >
    > >David Horne, _the_ chancellor * wrote:
    > >> Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> []
    > >> > The US Food and Drug Administration is very strict -
    > >>
    > >> You need ID, and to give your address if you want to score some Sudafed
    > >> now. (As of September apparently) I was caught out by this weird new law
    > >> yesterday...
    > >
    > >Cough medicine can be made into Meth using standard household chemicals.
    >
    > Dutch guy: "So, how's that war on drugs going?"

The US murder rate in lots of major cities is now reversing a trend and
going up...

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Old Dec 28th 2006, 8:29 am
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Let is be knownst that on 28 Dec 2006 12:16:00 -0800, "Iceman"
<[email protected]> writted:

    >David Horne, _the_ chancellor * wrote:
    >> Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> []
    >> > The US Food and Drug Administration is very strict -
    >> You need ID, and to give your address if you want to score some Sudafed
    >> now. (As of September apparently) I was caught out by this weird new law
    >> yesterday...
    >Cough medicine can be made into Meth using standard household chemicals.

Dutch guy: "So, how's that war on drugs going?"
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Old Dec 28th 2006, 8:37 am
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Let is be knownst that on 28 Dec 2006 07:22:28 -0800, "Iceman"
<[email protected]> writted:

    >Earl Evleth wrote:
    >> On 28/12/06 6:15, in article
    >> [email protected] om, "Iceman"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> > I can see that. Outside of the hip-hop community, cognac is drunk in
    >> > small amounts by connoisseurs.
    >> I prefer Armagnac over Cognac.
    >I'd prefer a basic Armagnac to a basic Cognac, but the better Cognacs
    >have a depth and complexity of flavors which the better Armagnacs don't
    >match.
    >> Both are "digestifs", consumed after a meal. There are others. Calvados when it is
    >> quality stuff, is also nice and of course the Italian grappa and other
    >> "eau de vie".
    >I don't like grappa or Eaux de Vie at all. The alcohol overwhelms any
    >other taste of the drink.

Ooooh, a good grappa is wonderful, but it's made to be had after the
palette is already saturated.

    >> Vodka is another thing, like Gin, and tends to be consumed
    >> by Americans as a before-dinner drink.
    >No. In the US vodka is mostly drunk in mixed drinks or cocktails.
    >Some people order a vodka martini as soon as they sit down to dinner,
    >but other than that, it's not a common before-dinner drink.

I can't imagine ordering vodka anything as a pre dinner drink. The
alcohol numbs the taste buds, ruining the experience of the food.

Or perhaps that's the idea.
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Old Dec 28th 2006, 2:38 pm
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Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:

> I can't imagine ordering vodka anything as a pre dinner drink. The
> alcohol numbs the taste buds, ruining the experience of the food.
>
> Or perhaps that's the idea.


"Wodka is to get drunk on...".

;--p

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Old Dec 28th 2006, 10:34 pm
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Earl Evleth
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On 29/12/06 4:38, in article
[email protected] et, "Gregory Morrow"
<[email protected] et> wrote:

> "Wodka is to get drunk on...".

Most of it is not far from "white lightning" the product of moonshining
which goes under various names having charming names like
"skull cracker", "mule kick", among others,

http://www.ibiblio.org/moonshine/make/basics.html

As a grad student n-years ago, I used to bring 95% undenatured
ethanol to parties and get everybody snockered on that stuff.
In the 1950s the stuff only costs about $1 a gallon and that
is equivalent to about 2 gallons of 50 proof Vodka.

I once had a major portion of the off-duty Newport beach (California)
fire department out on the curb retching up their excess enjoyment of this
chemist's version of kickapoo joy juice (a product of Dogpatch)

see

http://www.lil-abner.com/kickapoo.html
http://www.lil-abner.com/dogpatch.html
 
Old Dec 29th 2006, 4:49 am
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Deeply Filled Mortician <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu>
wrote:

> Let is be knownst that on 28 Dec 2006 07:22:28 -0800, "Iceman"
> <[email protected]> writted:
[]
> >No. In the US vodka is mostly drunk in mixed drinks or cocktails.
> >Some people order a vodka martini as soon as they sit down to dinner,
> >but other than that, it's not a common before-dinner drink.
>
> I can't imagine ordering vodka anything as a pre dinner drink. The
> alcohol numbs the taste buds, ruining the experience of the food.

I don't find that. Neat vodka, certainly, but for example a bloody mary
can be a really good pre-lunch drink. I'm more of a gin martini man
though.

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Old Dec 29th 2006, 5:21 am
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On 29/12/06 18:49, in article 1hr3y8z.19ac04ggd39zpN%[email protected],
"David Horne, _the_ chancellor *" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm more of a gin martini man
> though.


I decided to give up hangovers about 15 years ago. Living in
France promotes the drinking of wine, with dinners or having
a single glass at a caf� in the late afternoon. We do have
a kir before dinner in a restaurant, which is fortunately mostly
white wine or champagne (kir royale). It can be prepared with
any of a number of sweat liquors.

from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kir



Kir is a cocktail made with a measure of cr�me de cassis (blackcurrant
liquor) topped up with white wine.

In France it is usually drunk as an ap�ritif before a meal or snack.
Originally the wine used was Bourgogne Aligot�, a lesser white wine of
Burgundy. Nowadays, various white wines are used throughout France,
according to the region and the whim of the barkeeper. Many prefer a white
chardonnay-based Burgundy, such as Chablis.

It is named after F�lix Kir (1876 - 1968), mayor of Dijon in Burgundy, who
as a pioneer of the twinning movement in the aftermath of the Second World
War popularized the drink by offering it at receptions to visiting
delegations. Besides treating his international guests well, he was also
promoting two vital economic products of the region.

Following the commercial development of cr�me de cassis in 1841 the cocktail
became a popular regional caf� drink under the name of blanc-cass, but has
since become inextricably linked internationally with the name of Mayor Kir.
When ordering a kir, waiters in France now normally ask whether you want it
made with cassis (blackcurrant), m�re (blackberry) or p�che (peach).
Besides the basic kir, a number of variations exist:

Kir Royale - made with champagne
Kir P�tillant made with sparkling wine
Cardinal - made with red wine instead of white
Kir Imperial - made with raspberry liqueur instead of cassis, and champagne
Kir Normand - made with Normandy cider instead of wine.
Kir Breton - made with cider from Brittany instead of wine.
Cidre Royal - made with cider instead of wine, with a measure of calvados
added.

Young American bartenders are increasingly (and mistakenly) using Chambord
when one orders a Kir Royale, so it is important to specify that you want it
with cr�me de cassis.
 
Old Dec 29th 2006, 8:33 am
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TMOliver wrote:

>
> "Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote ...
>> On 28/12/06 6:15, in article
>
> "Iceman"> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I can see that. Outside of the hip-hop community, cognac is drunk
>>> in small amounts by connoisseurs.
>>
>>
>> I prefer Armagnac over Cognac. Both are "digestifs", consumed
>> after a meal. There are others. Calvados when it is quality
>> stuff, is also nice and of course the Italian grappa and other
>> "eau de vie".
>

ssshh/pppssssst

would you be quiet about Armanac!!!

I will - if available - buy it myself!

They have not the mass production of the great
Cognac brands, but the taste, the smell aaahhhhhhhhhh

I always smell for about a quarter of an hour before I take the first
sip ...

heaven....

lg datom

PS and PSSSSST
 


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