France border controls
Jul 15th 2005, 2:13 am
#16
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Re: France border controls
On 15 Jul 2005 14:50:59 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:42:27 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but
>> >only for poeple coming from england no change in italy for the
>> >moment
>>
>> England isn't in Schengen.
>Yebbut, you can freely cross from France to (say) Belgium without
>showing ID unless you're English.
I've crossed many times from France to Belgium without showing a UK
passport. Transit between Schengen countries is not EU nationality
dependent.
Between Belgium and NL there hasn't been anywhere to show ID for
sometime.
> You might need to show ID to
>establish that you're not, though.
The news report I found didn't make any distinction on nationality. It
said France and the Netherlands had suspended Schengen.
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Martin
wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:42:27 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but
>> >only for poeple coming from england no change in italy for the
>> >moment
>>
>> England isn't in Schengen.
>Yebbut, you can freely cross from France to (say) Belgium without
>showing ID unless you're English.
I've crossed many times from France to Belgium without showing a UK
passport. Transit between Schengen countries is not EU nationality
dependent.
Between Belgium and NL there hasn't been anywhere to show ID for
sometime.
> You might need to show ID to
>establish that you're not, though.
The news report I found didn't make any distinction on nationality. It
said France and the Netherlands had suspended Schengen.
--
Martin
Jul 15th 2005, 2:17 am
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Re: France border controls
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:08:58 +0300, "Markku Grönroos"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Des Small" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
>news:[email protected]...
>> Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>> > On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:42:27 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > >france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but
>> > >only for poeple coming from england no change in italy for the
>> > >moment
>> >
>> > England isn't in Schengen.
>> Yebbut, you can freely cross from France to (say) Belgium without
>> showing ID unless you're English. You might need to show ID to
>> establish that you're not, though.
>In my opinion Englishmen should need a visa everywhere outside the city
>limits of London.
Does that include citizens of the Independent Republic of Yorkshire?
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Des Small" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
>news:[email protected]...
>> Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>> > On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:42:27 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> > >france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but
>> > >only for poeple coming from england no change in italy for the
>> > >moment
>> >
>> > England isn't in Schengen.
>> Yebbut, you can freely cross from France to (say) Belgium without
>> showing ID unless you're English. You might need to show ID to
>> establish that you're not, though.
>In my opinion Englishmen should need a visa everywhere outside the city
>limits of London.
Does that include citizens of the Independent Republic of Yorkshire?
--
Martin
Jul 15th 2005, 2:22 am
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Re: France border controls
Martin <[email protected]> writes:
> On 15 Jul 2005 14:50:59 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:42:27 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but
> >> >only for poeple coming from england no change in italy for the
> >> >moment
> >>
> >> England isn't in Schengen.
> >
> >Yebbut, you can freely cross from France to (say) Belgium without
> >showing ID unless you're English.
>
> I've crossed many times from France to Belgium without showing a UK
> passport. Transit between Schengen countries is not EU nationality
> dependent.
Are you calling "tile" a liar?
Des
> On 15 Jul 2005 14:50:59 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:42:27 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but
> >> >only for poeple coming from england no change in italy for the
> >> >moment
> >>
> >> England isn't in Schengen.
> >
> >Yebbut, you can freely cross from France to (say) Belgium without
> >showing ID unless you're English.
>
> I've crossed many times from France to Belgium without showing a UK
> passport. Transit between Schengen countries is not EU nationality
> dependent.
Are you calling "tile" a liar?
Des
Jul 15th 2005, 2:35 am
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Re: France border controls
"tile" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but only
> for poeple coming from england
Well now since England has never been in Schengen this seems
a tad unlikely.
Keith
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> france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but only
> for poeple coming from england
Well now since England has never been in Schengen this seems
a tad unlikely.
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Jul 15th 2005, 2:36 am
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Re: France border controls
On 15 Jul 2005 15:22:10 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>> On 15 Jul 2005 14:50:59 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:42:27 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but
>> >> >only for poeple coming from england no change in italy for the
>> >> >moment
>> >>
>> >> England isn't in Schengen.
>> >
>> >Yebbut, you can freely cross from France to (say) Belgium without
>> >showing ID unless you're English.
>>
>> I've crossed many times from France to Belgium without showing a UK
>> passport. Transit between Schengen countries is not EU nationality
>> dependent.
>Are you calling "tile" a liar?
Is everybody who posts incorrect info here a liar?
The group must be full of liars in that case :-)
Italy hasn't suspended Schengen so no change there.
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Martin
wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>> On 15 Jul 2005 14:50:59 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:42:27 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but
>> >> >only for poeple coming from england no change in italy for the
>> >> >moment
>> >>
>> >> England isn't in Schengen.
>> >
>> >Yebbut, you can freely cross from France to (say) Belgium without
>> >showing ID unless you're English.
>>
>> I've crossed many times from France to Belgium without showing a UK
>> passport. Transit between Schengen countries is not EU nationality
>> dependent.
>Are you calling "tile" a liar?
Is everybody who posts incorrect info here a liar?
The group must be full of liars in that case :-)
Italy hasn't suspended Schengen so no change there.
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Martin
Jul 15th 2005, 2:37 am
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Re: France border controls
"Des Small" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:42:27 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but
>> >only for poeple coming from england no change in italy for the
>> >moment
>> England isn't in Schengen.
> Yebbut, you can freely cross from France to (say) Belgium without
> showing ID unless you're English.
You can do that whatever your nationality, indeed there's
no border crossing point to show ID at if you wanted too.
Keith
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> Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:42:27 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but
>> >only for poeple coming from england no change in italy for the
>> >moment
>> England isn't in Schengen.
> Yebbut, you can freely cross from France to (say) Belgium without
> showing ID unless you're English.
You can do that whatever your nationality, indeed there's
no border crossing point to show ID at if you wanted too.
Keith
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Jul 15th 2005, 2:53 am
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Re: France border controls
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:35:47 +0100, "Keith W"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"tile" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]. ..
>> france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but only
>> for poeple coming from england
>Well now since England has never been in Schengen this seems
>a tad unlikely.
"are you calling tile a liar?" :-)
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"tile" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]. ..
>> france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but only
>> for poeple coming from england
>Well now since England has never been in Schengen this seems
>a tad unlikely.
"are you calling tile a liar?" :-)
--
Martin
Jul 15th 2005, 2:55 am
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Re: France border controls
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:37:16 +0100, "Keith W"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Des Small" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:42:27 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but
>>> >only for poeple coming from england no change in italy for the
>>> >moment
>>> England isn't in Schengen.
>> Yebbut, you can freely cross from France to (say) Belgium without
>> showing ID unless you're English.
>You can do that whatever your nationality, indeed there's
>no border crossing point to show ID at if you wanted too.
I think there is probably a temporary place now. How else can the
French suspend Schengen?
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Des Small" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>>> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:42:27 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but
>>> >only for poeple coming from england no change in italy for the
>>> >moment
>>> England isn't in Schengen.
>> Yebbut, you can freely cross from France to (say) Belgium without
>> showing ID unless you're English.
>You can do that whatever your nationality, indeed there's
>no border crossing point to show ID at if you wanted too.
I think there is probably a temporary place now. How else can the
French suspend Schengen?
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Martin
Jul 15th 2005, 4:26 am
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Re: France border controls
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:17:25 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:08:58 +0300, "Markku Grönroos"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Des Small" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
>>news:[email protected].. .
>>> Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>>> > On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:42:27 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but
>>> > >only for poeple coming from england no change in italy for the
>>> > >moment
>>> >
>>> > England isn't in Schengen.
>>> Yebbut, you can freely cross from France to (say) Belgium without
>>> showing ID unless you're English. You might need to show ID to
>>> establish that you're not, though.
>>In my opinion Englishmen should need a visa everywhere outside the city
>>limits of London.
>Does that include citizens of the Independent Republic of Yorkshire?
That's "Yaaaaawwwwwwksheear"!!!
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>On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:08:58 +0300, "Markku Grönroos"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Des Small" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
>>news:[email protected].. .
>>> Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>>> > On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:42:27 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but
>>> > >only for poeple coming from england no change in italy for the
>>> > >moment
>>> >
>>> > England isn't in Schengen.
>>> Yebbut, you can freely cross from France to (say) Belgium without
>>> showing ID unless you're English. You might need to show ID to
>>> establish that you're not, though.
>>In my opinion Englishmen should need a visa everywhere outside the city
>>limits of London.
>Does that include citizens of the Independent Republic of Yorkshire?
That's "Yaaaaawwwwwwksheear"!!!
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Jul 15th 2005, 4:28 am
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Re: France border controls
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:36:51 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>On 15 Jul 2005 15:22:10 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>>> On 15 Jul 2005 14:50:59 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>>> >
>>> >> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:42:27 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but
>>> >> >only for poeple coming from england no change in italy for the
>>> >> >moment
>>> >>
>>> >> England isn't in Schengen.
>>> >
>>> >Yebbut, you can freely cross from France to (say) Belgium without
>>> >showing ID unless you're English.
>>>
>>> I've crossed many times from France to Belgium without showing a UK
>>> passport. Transit between Schengen countries is not EU nationality
>>> dependent.
>>Are you calling "tile" a liar?
>Is everybody who posts incorrect info here a liar?
>The group must be full of liars in that case :-)
Damn right there. Everyone who has posted here has been wrong at some
time or another. Those who deny ever being wrong are the ones to be
really wary of.
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>On 15 Jul 2005 15:22:10 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>>> On 15 Jul 2005 14:50:59 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Martin <[email protected]> writes:
>>> >
>>> >> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:42:27 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but
>>> >> >only for poeple coming from england no change in italy for the
>>> >> >moment
>>> >>
>>> >> England isn't in Schengen.
>>> >
>>> >Yebbut, you can freely cross from France to (say) Belgium without
>>> >showing ID unless you're English.
>>>
>>> I've crossed many times from France to Belgium without showing a UK
>>> passport. Transit between Schengen countries is not EU nationality
>>> dependent.
>>Are you calling "tile" a liar?
>Is everybody who posts incorrect info here a liar?
>The group must be full of liars in that case :-)
Damn right there. Everyone who has posted here has been wrong at some
time or another. Those who deny ever being wrong are the ones to be
really wary of.
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Jul 15th 2005, 7:29 am
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Re: France border controls
"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:35:47 +0100, "Keith W"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"tile" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected].. .
>>> france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but only
>>> for poeple coming from england
>>Well now since England has never been in Schengen this seems
>>a tad unlikely.
> "are you calling tile a liar?" :-)
Nope just saying he's a wrong.
Keith
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:35:47 +0100, "Keith W"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"tile" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected].. .
>>> france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but only
>>> for poeple coming from england
>>Well now since England has never been in Schengen this seems
>>a tad unlikely.
> "are you calling tile a liar?" :-)
Nope just saying he's a wrong.
Keith
Jul 15th 2005, 7:30 am
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Re: France border controls
DDT Filled Mormons a écrit :
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:36:51 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> Damn right there. Everyone who has posted here has been wrong at some
> time or another.
So congratulations to Albert who gave first the very precise answer :
La Francia ha deciso di rafforzare i controlli alle proprie frontiere,
sospendendo temporaneamente gli accordi di Schengen sulla libera
circolazione dei cittadini europei. La decisione della Francia è stata
annunciata dal ministro degli Interni, Nicolas Sarkozy (... :) "Il
Trattato di Schengen prevede in circostanze molto precise la
possibilità di rafforzare i controlli alle frontiere."
"Apparently" he uses temporarily a kind of "clause de sauvegarde".
didier Meurgues
Those who deny ever being wrong are the ones to be
> really wary of.
> ---
> DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:36:51 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> Damn right there. Everyone who has posted here has been wrong at some
> time or another.
So congratulations to Albert who gave first the very precise answer :
La Francia ha deciso di rafforzare i controlli alle proprie frontiere,
sospendendo temporaneamente gli accordi di Schengen sulla libera
circolazione dei cittadini europei. La decisione della Francia è stata
annunciata dal ministro degli Interni, Nicolas Sarkozy (... :) "Il
Trattato di Schengen prevede in circostanze molto precise la
possibilità di rafforzare i controlli alle frontiere."
"Apparently" he uses temporarily a kind of "clause de sauvegarde".
didier Meurgues
Those who deny ever being wrong are the ones to be
> really wary of.
> ---
> DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
Jul 15th 2005, 8:50 am
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Re: France border controls
On 15 Jul 2005 12:30:26 -0700, "didiermeurgues"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>DDT Filled Mormons a écrit :
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:36:51 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Damn right there. Everyone who has posted here has been wrong at some
>> time or another.
>So congratulations to Albert who gave first the very precise answer :
>La Francia ha deciso di rafforzare i controlli alle proprie frontiere,
>sospendendo temporaneamente gli accordi di Schengen sulla libera
>circolazione dei cittadini europei. La decisione della Francia è stata
>annunciata dal ministro degli Interni, Nicolas Sarkozy (... :) "Il
>Trattato di Schengen prevede in circostanze molto precise la
>possibilitÃ* di rafforzare i controlli alle frontiere."
>"Apparently" he uses temporarily a kind of "clause de sauvegarde".
>didier Meurgues
So where does it say it only applies to Brit.s?
Frankrijk gaat grens met buurlanden controleren
Van onze correspondent Bart Dirks
BRUSSEL - Frankrijk gaat de grenzen met zijn buurlanden weer
controleren. ‘Als we de grenscontroles nu niet versterken nadat er
ruim vijftig mensen zijn gedood in Londen, dan weet ik niet wanneer we
het wel moeten doen’, zei de Franse minister Nicolas Sarkozy van
Binnenlandse Zaken woensdag na spoedberaad in Brussel.
Door het Schengen-verdrag zijn de paspoortcontroles tussen dertien
EU-landen plus IJsland en Noorwegen afgeschaft. Ze kunnen de controles
weer tijdelijk invoeren, als ze dat noodzakelijk achten voor de
binnenlandse veiligheid.
‘Ik weet niet wie de volgende op de lijst is’, aldus Sarkozy
gisteravond, verwijzend naar de aanslagen in New York, Madrid en
Londen. ‘Maar ik weet dat het onze plicht is onszelf voor te bereiden,
zodat we niets aan het toeval overlaten.’ Zijn Italiaanse collega
Pisanu zei dat zijn land de grenzen met Oostenrijk en Slovenië extra
gaat controleren.
Een diplomaat verwacht niet dat alle verkeer aan de Franse grenzen
systematisch zal worden gecontroleerd. ‘Ik denk niet dat de grenzen
hermetisch dichtgaan. Maar tijdelijke maatregelen zijn mogelijk.’
De Europese ministers van Justitie en Binnenlandse Zaken besloten
gisteren op voorstel van de Britse minister Charles Clarke van
Binnenlandse Zaken om al in oktober 2005 een akkoord te sluiten over
het opslaan van data- en telefoonverkeer.
Minister Donner van Justitie vindt die planning ‘zeer ambitieus’. Hij
zegt sneller dan voorzien met de Eerste en Tweede Kamer te moeten
overleggen. Donner begrijpt de zorgen over de privacy van burgers.
‘Maar de Britten hebben duidelijk gemaakt dat ze door de data-opslag
veel sneller de daders kunnen opsporen. Als het echt helpt, dan moeten
we daar niet maanden over praten.’
Verantwoordelijk eurocommissaris Frattini van Justitie zei gisteren
dat er gelijktijdig een voorstel komt voor de bescherming van de
burgerrechten. ‘Ik wil een gebalanceerde aanpak. Maar recht op
veiligheid is óók een voorwaarde om te kunnen genieten van alle andere
fundamentele rechten, zoals zonder gevaar te kunnen reizen.’
Hoewel de ingelaste ministeriële vergadering gisteren een verklaring
uitgaf over de maatregelen tegen terrorisme, werden geen nieuwe
plannen gemaakt. Frattini onderstreepte dat lidstaten afgesproken
maatregelen sneller in praktijk moeten brengen. ‘De Europese Commissie
gaat rapporteren welke landen nalatig zijn’, zei hij.
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>DDT Filled Mormons a écrit :
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:36:51 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Damn right there. Everyone who has posted here has been wrong at some
>> time or another.
>So congratulations to Albert who gave first the very precise answer :
>La Francia ha deciso di rafforzare i controlli alle proprie frontiere,
>sospendendo temporaneamente gli accordi di Schengen sulla libera
>circolazione dei cittadini europei. La decisione della Francia è stata
>annunciata dal ministro degli Interni, Nicolas Sarkozy (... :) "Il
>Trattato di Schengen prevede in circostanze molto precise la
>possibilitÃ* di rafforzare i controlli alle frontiere."
>"Apparently" he uses temporarily a kind of "clause de sauvegarde".
>didier Meurgues
So where does it say it only applies to Brit.s?
Frankrijk gaat grens met buurlanden controleren
Van onze correspondent Bart Dirks
BRUSSEL - Frankrijk gaat de grenzen met zijn buurlanden weer
controleren. ‘Als we de grenscontroles nu niet versterken nadat er
ruim vijftig mensen zijn gedood in Londen, dan weet ik niet wanneer we
het wel moeten doen’, zei de Franse minister Nicolas Sarkozy van
Binnenlandse Zaken woensdag na spoedberaad in Brussel.
Door het Schengen-verdrag zijn de paspoortcontroles tussen dertien
EU-landen plus IJsland en Noorwegen afgeschaft. Ze kunnen de controles
weer tijdelijk invoeren, als ze dat noodzakelijk achten voor de
binnenlandse veiligheid.
‘Ik weet niet wie de volgende op de lijst is’, aldus Sarkozy
gisteravond, verwijzend naar de aanslagen in New York, Madrid en
Londen. ‘Maar ik weet dat het onze plicht is onszelf voor te bereiden,
zodat we niets aan het toeval overlaten.’ Zijn Italiaanse collega
Pisanu zei dat zijn land de grenzen met Oostenrijk en Slovenië extra
gaat controleren.
Een diplomaat verwacht niet dat alle verkeer aan de Franse grenzen
systematisch zal worden gecontroleerd. ‘Ik denk niet dat de grenzen
hermetisch dichtgaan. Maar tijdelijke maatregelen zijn mogelijk.’
De Europese ministers van Justitie en Binnenlandse Zaken besloten
gisteren op voorstel van de Britse minister Charles Clarke van
Binnenlandse Zaken om al in oktober 2005 een akkoord te sluiten over
het opslaan van data- en telefoonverkeer.
Minister Donner van Justitie vindt die planning ‘zeer ambitieus’. Hij
zegt sneller dan voorzien met de Eerste en Tweede Kamer te moeten
overleggen. Donner begrijpt de zorgen over de privacy van burgers.
‘Maar de Britten hebben duidelijk gemaakt dat ze door de data-opslag
veel sneller de daders kunnen opsporen. Als het echt helpt, dan moeten
we daar niet maanden over praten.’
Verantwoordelijk eurocommissaris Frattini van Justitie zei gisteren
dat er gelijktijdig een voorstel komt voor de bescherming van de
burgerrechten. ‘Ik wil een gebalanceerde aanpak. Maar recht op
veiligheid is óók een voorwaarde om te kunnen genieten van alle andere
fundamentele rechten, zoals zonder gevaar te kunnen reizen.’
Hoewel de ingelaste ministeriële vergadering gisteren een verklaring
uitgaf over de maatregelen tegen terrorisme, werden geen nieuwe
plannen gemaakt. Frattini onderstreepte dat lidstaten afgesproken
maatregelen sneller in praktijk moeten brengen. ‘De Europese Commissie
gaat rapporteren welke landen nalatig zijn’, zei hij.
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Martin
Jul 15th 2005, 8:52 am
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Re: France border controls
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:29:46 +0100, "Keith W"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:35:47 +0100, "Keith W"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"tile" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>>> france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but only
>>>> for poeple coming from england
>>>Well now since England has never been in Schengen this seems
>>>a tad unlikely.
>> "are you calling tile a liar?" :-)
>Nope just saying he's a wrong.
Just as I did. :-)
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Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:35:47 +0100, "Keith W"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"tile" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>>> france has suspended the schengen agreements.. and Holland too. but only
>>>> for poeple coming from england
>>>Well now since England has never been in Schengen this seems
>>>a tad unlikely.
>> "are you calling tile a liar?" :-)
>Nope just saying he's a wrong.
Just as I did. :-)
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Martin
Jul 15th 2005, 5:33 pm
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Re: France border controls
In article <[email protected]>,
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> Does that include citizens of the Independent Republic of Yorkshire?
Would that have prevented the bombings?
All they do is check for passports right, not go through your luggage?
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> Does that include citizens of the Independent Republic of Yorkshire?
Would that have prevented the bombings?
All they do is check for passports right, not go through your luggage?
