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France, Anti-Americanism?

Old Oct 18th 2002, 8:00 pm
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Go Fig
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In article ,
[email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:

    > John T wrote:
    > > As an American living in London I can assure you that the BCC has a
    > > 'character assassination policy' for GW Bush. He will never be allowed
    > > to be portrayed in anything but a negitive light.
    > He must be giving them the same instructions he gives his press people here
    > in the USA then - they too seem calculated to put him in a negative light to
    > rational people.

Rational People = 28% ?

jay
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    > miguel

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Old Oct 18th 2002, 8:05 pm
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Miguel Cruz
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Go Fig wrote:
    > [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
    >> He must be giving them the same instructions he gives his press people here
    >> in the USA then - they too seem calculated to put him in a negative light to
    >> rational people.
    > Rational People = 28% ?

It's looking that way.

If I lose faith in my own rationality, all is lost. So leave me with that,
please.

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Old Oct 18th 2002, 10:55 pm
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John T wrote:

    > As an American living in London I can assure you that the BCC has a
    > 'character assassination policy' for GW Bush. He will never be allowed
    > to be portrayed in anything but a negitive light.

I watch CNN and BBC news here in Canada. They show Bush saying the same things on
both networks.
 
Old Oct 18th 2002, 11:10 pm
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We were there a couple of month's ago. Everything was fine. Deep down,
most French people probably haven't forgotten who saved their hides in WW2.
I thought virtually all the folks we dealt with were pretty nice.
Comparable to most civilized countries... I wouldn't give it a thought..
Bruce


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    > We are considering a trip to France this November or in the March-April
    > 2003 period. In view of their strong opposition to the US position on
    > Iraq, does anyone have any news or current information as to whether US
    > tourists are experiencing a less than warm welcome there these days? In
    > view of the fact that military action may begin next year, I'm thinking
    > it might be better to go earlier, perhaps in November or early December,
    > to avoid being there in the midst of a war.
    > We (my wife and I) are fairly experienced travelers and have visited the
    > same Left Bank neighborhood a number of times, and we have always found
    > the French to be courteous and friendly. However, I'm wondering whether
    > anyone on the ng has had recent experiences in this regard or can offer
    > advice or suggestions as to what the situation may be in the coming
    > months.
    > Thanks,
    > Jim Cate
 
Old Oct 18th 2002, 11:37 pm
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"Jim Cate" a écrit dans le message de news:
89C84CDE20B5EA81.A7EDF650FF181161.D0B9B4CDAB530C81 @lp.airnews.net...

    > Actually, the question asked in my note was not
    > whether we should go, but whether it would be
    > better for us to plan our trip for November or
    > wait until the the March-April period, in view
    > of the news reports predicting that there is a
    > good chance that war will begin early next year,
    > and whether anyone had current experiences in
    > this regard.

If you are that worried about such things, it would probably be best to stay
home.
 
Old Oct 19th 2002, 4:17 am
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John T wrote:
    > "Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)" wrote in message news:...
    > > Alan Thomas Harrison wrote:
    > > >
    > > > In neither case, however, would I feel that criticism of the British
    > > > government was "anti-British", and I would certainly not feel any kind
    > > > of personal affront at such criticism. Consequently, I find it rather
    > > > hard to understand why some Americans, at least, don't react with
    > > > similar equanimity to criticism of their country's government.
    > >
    > > Inferiority complexes?
    > Inferiority complexes? -- No.
    > Were just a people have to deal with the reality of the way the world
    > is right now. And I think the American public is going to give Bush a
    > chance to deal with an immensely difficult problem.

Gawd, I hope not!! (Since the "problem" is mainly in Mr.
Bush's head.) I can well understand why an American ex-pat
friend who lives in Paris told me last February "I've often
been embarrassed by my country, but this is the first time
I've ever been ASHAMED of it." She has even more reason to
feel so, now (but at least she's safely in France - she
doesn't have to live here).
 
Old Oct 19th 2002, 4:20 am
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Miguel Cruz wrote:
    > John T wrote:
    > > As an American living in London I can assure you that the BCC has a
    > > 'character assassination policy' for GW Bush. He will never be allowed
    > > to be portrayed in anything but a negitive light.
    > He must be giving them the same instructions he gives his press people here
    > in the USA then - they too seem calculated to put him in a negative light to
    > rational people.

So long as it's only his "character" they assassinate! (If
someone were to eliminate Bush, we'd get Cheney in his place
- does anyone think that would be BETTER?)
    > miguel
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Old Oct 19th 2002, 5:19 am
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In article ,
[email protected] (John T) wrote:

    > As an American living in London I can assure you that the BCC has a
    > 'character assassination policy' for GW Bush. He will never be allowed
    > to be portrayed in anything but a negitive light.

Why??
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Old Oct 19th 2002, 6:02 am
  #39  
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In article ,
"Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)" wrote:

    > John T wrote:
    > >
    > > "Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)" wrote in message
    > > news:...
    > > > Alan Thomas Harrison wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > In neither case, however, would I feel that criticism of the British
    > > > > government was "anti-British", and I would certainly not feel any kind
    > > > > of personal affront at such criticism. Consequently, I find it rather
    > > > > hard to understand why some Americans, at least, don't react with
    > > > > similar equanimity to criticism of their country's government.
    > > >
    > > > Inferiority complexes?
    > >
    > > Inferiority complexes? -- No.
    > >
    > > Were just a people have to deal with the reality of the way the world
    > > is right now. And I think the American public is going to give Bush a
    > > chance to deal with an immensely difficult problem.
    > Gawd, I hope not!! (Since the "problem" is mainly in Mr.
    > Bush's head.)


You really should read or watch some news... Both Houses of Congress, by
huge margins, passed this bill. But perhaps its not that you dont
monitor the news rather you are just delusional.

jay
Fri, Oct 18, 2002
mailto:[email protected]




I can well understand why an American ex-pat
    > friend who lives in Paris told me last February "I've often
    > been embarrassed by my country, but this is the first time
    > I've ever been ASHAMED of it." She has even more reason to
    > feel so, now (but at least she's safely in France - she
    > doesn't have to live here).

--

Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."
 
Old Oct 19th 2002, 6:30 am
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    >You really should read or watch some news... Both Houses of Congress, by
    >huge margins, passed this bill. But perhaps its not that you dont
    >monitor the news rather you are just delusional.

It's a losing battle with this crowd friend. I am amused by the comparisons of
Bush to Hitler and the bleatings of U.S. expatriates in France who are so glad
to be out of our lunatic, horrible country--ah, if only more of like mind would
follow that course, but I am only dreaming! Well France is certainly right on
in calling the political shots in the last 90 years or so. Ya think they might
be building another Maginot Line--couldn't hurt you know? Well, if all else
falls, they can always "collaberate", you know go along to get along, as 99.9%
of them did so successfully in the early 1940's. With critics like these, who
needs friends? Oh, and do us a fav. Frenchies, please don't come crawling for
help again. Daddy thinks the kids should just be on their own after all this
time, O.K.? No offense folks, just having a little fun here in sunny
California, U.S.A.
 
Old Oct 19th 2002, 7:22 am
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On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:17:15 -0700, "Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)"
wrote:

    >Gawd, I hope not!! (Since the "problem" is mainly in Mr.
    >Bush's head.)

Right. No real problem at all. We'll just offer Saddam several
billion in aid in exchange for his promise to give up the WMDs and
nuclear weapons program. Like Clinton and Madeline Albright
"negotiated" with North Korea in 1994. That has certainly worked out
well.

Gordon
 
Old Oct 19th 2002, 10:33 pm
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    > Yep, they will be just as rude to American tourists as usual.

I just have to say something here. My wife and I were in Paris last
December for about 10 days. It was our first trip there.

Every single day, we were the recipients of at least one unsolicited
kindness from a Parisian. We were never treated rudely. It was a joy
to be there and to experience such a great city.

Cheers

Mark
 
Old Oct 19th 2002, 10:54 pm
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Originally posted by Mark Moore:
    > Yep, they will be just as rude to American tourists as usual.

I just have to say something here. My wife and I were in Paris last
December for about 10 days. It was our first trip there.

Every single day, we were the recipients of at least one unsolicited
kindness from a Parisian. We were never treated rudely. It was a joy
to be there and to experience such a great city.

Cheers

Mark
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Old Oct 20th 2002, 4:58 am
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Nancy Kay wrote:
    > In article ,
    > [email protected] (John T) wrote:
    > > As an American living in London I can assure you that the BCC has a
    > > 'character assassination policy' for GW Bush. He will never be allowed
    > > to be portrayed in anything but a negitive light.
    > Why??

IS there a "positive" light?????

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    > Nancy Kay
    > remove go and gone.to.
    > "Patience is a virtue"
 
Old Oct 20th 2002, 5:03 am
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Evelyn Vogt Gamble
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Go Fig wrote:
    > In article ,
    > "Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)" wrote:
    > > John T wrote:
    > > >
    > > > "Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)" wrote in message
    > > > news:...
    > > > > Alan Thomas Harrison wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > In neither case, however, would I feel that criticism of the British
    > > > > > government was "anti-British", and I would certainly not feel any kind
    > > > > > of personal affront at such criticism. Consequently, I find it rather
    > > > > > hard to understand why some Americans, at least, don't react with
    > > > > > similar equanimity to criticism of their country's government.
    > > > >
    > > > > Inferiority complexes?
    > > >
    > > > Inferiority complexes? -- No.
    > > >
    > > > Were just a people have to deal with the reality of the way the world
    > > > is right now. And I think the American public is going to give Bush a
    > > > chance to deal with an immensely difficult problem.
    > >
    > > Gawd, I hope not!! (Since the "problem" is mainly in Mr.
    > > Bush's head.)
    > You really should read or watch some news... Both Houses of Congress, by
    > huge margins, passed this bill. But perhaps its not that you dont
    > monitor the news rather you are just delusional.

Since when is Congress "the American public"?

There has certainly been a lot of protest, whatever Congress
voted to allow. (Rather puts one in mind of Viet Nam,
doesn't it?.)
 

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