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Old Oct 17th 2002, 3:20 pm
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Jim Cate
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We are considering a trip to France this November or in the March-April
2003 period. In view of their strong opposition to the US position on
Iraq, does anyone have any news or current information as to whether US
tourists are experiencing a less than warm welcome there these days? In
view of the fact that military action may begin next year, I'm thinking
it might be better to go earlier, perhaps in November or early December,
to avoid being there in the midst of a war.

We (my wife and I) are fairly experienced travelers and have visited the
same Left Bank neighborhood a number of times, and we have always found
the French to be courteous and friendly. However, I'm wondering whether
anyone on the ng has had recent experiences in this regard or can offer
advice or suggestions as to what the situation may be in the coming
months.

Thanks,
Jim Cate
 
Old Oct 17th 2002, 3:25 pm
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"Jim Cate" wrote in message
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    > We are considering a trip to France this November or in the March-April
    > 2003 period. In view of their strong opposition to the US position on
    > Iraq, does anyone have any news or current information as to whether US
    > tourists are experiencing a less than warm welcome there these days? In
    > view of the fact that military action may begin next year, I'm thinking
    > it might be better to go earlier, perhaps in November or early December,
    > to avoid being there in the midst of a war.
    > We (my wife and I) are fairly experienced travelers and have visited the
    > same Left Bank neighborhood a number of times, and we have always found
    > the French to be courteous and friendly. However, I'm wondering whether
    > anyone on the ng has had recent experiences in this regard or can offer
    > advice or suggestions as to what the situation may be in the coming
    > months.
    > Thanks,
    > Jim Cate

Any "anti-Americanism" will be directed at the US administration and it's
foreign-policies. Not at Americans as such. If you have strong opinions on
the conflict, consider it a great subject for discussions with locals!

bon voyage!

beefeater
 
Old Oct 17th 2002, 3:59 pm
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sgwennodd "Jim Cate" yn neges
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    > We are considering a trip to France this November or in the March-April
    > 2003 period. In view of their strong opposition to the US position on
    > Iraq, does anyone have any news or current information as to whether US
    > tourists are experiencing a less than warm welcome there these days?
The French (IMHO) have always had a strange attitude to all things
American.....
They seem to be _fiercely_ proud of their country, culture, language and
traditions, whilst at the same time lapping up every crap export (Disney,
McDonalds etc) America can throw at them.

The current, typically bloody-minded stance of their government will have no
effect at all on your welcome!

hwyl!
geraint.
 
Old Oct 17th 2002, 5:03 pm
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Jim Cate wrote:
    > We are considering a trip to France this November or in the March-April
    > 2003 period. In view of their strong opposition to the US position on
    > Iraq, does anyone have any news or current information as to whether US
    > tourists are experiencing a less than warm welcome there these days? In
    > view of the fact that military action may begin next year, I'm thinking
    > it might be better to go earlier, perhaps in November or early December,
    > to avoid being there in the midst of a war.

The French and the US have been at strong odds many times in the past, and
it's never affected how tourists were treated. I should think it quite
insulting to the people of France to assume this time would be different.

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Old Oct 17th 2002, 5:09 pm
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beefeater wrote:
    > Any "anti-Americanism" will be directed at the US administration and it's
    > foreign-policies. Not at Americans as such. If you have strong opinions on
    > the conflict, consider it a great subject for discussions with locals!

I agree.

I must also confess that I have some difficulty in understanding the
concept of "anti-Americanism".

If I were travelling on the tube from Heathrow to central London and an
American engaged me in conversation about what a jerk Tony Blair is, my
immediate instinct would be to think that I had found an interesting
travel companion with whom to while away an hour's tube ride. If it
proved that he was an extreme right-winger who actually thought Blair's
a leftie, I would find urgent business at Hounslow that required me to
alight and wait for the next train.

In neither case, however, would I feel that criticism of the British
government was "anti-British", and I would certainly not feel any kind
of personal affront at such criticism. Consequently, I find it rather
hard to understand why some Americans, at least, don't react with
similar equanimity to criticism of their country's government.

Alan Harrison
 
Old Oct 17th 2002, 5:46 pm
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Alan Thomas Harrison wrote:
    > In neither case, however, would I feel that criticism of the British
    > government was "anti-British", and I would certainly not feel any kind
    > of personal affront at such criticism. Consequently, I find it rather
    > hard to understand why some Americans, at least, don't react with
    > similar equanimity to criticism of their country's government.

They get it drummed into them by the government itself, these days at least.
Anyone who disagrees with any of Bush's policies or proposals is
automatically unpatriotic, an enemy of freedom, and a coddler of terrorists.

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Old Oct 17th 2002, 6:01 pm
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Jim Cate wrote:

    > We are considering a trip to France this November or in the March-April
    > 2003 period. In view of their strong opposition to the US position on
    > Iraq, does anyone have any news or current information as to whether US
    > tourists are experiencing a less than warm welcome there these days? In
    > view of the fact that military action may begin next year, I'm thinking
    > it might be better to go earlier, perhaps in November or early December,
    > to avoid being there in the midst of a war.

    > We (my wife and I) are fairly experienced travelers and have visited the
    > same Left Bank neighborhood a number of times, and we have always found
    > the French to be courteous and friendly. However, I'm wondering whether
    > anyone on the ng has had recent experiences in this regard or can offer
    > advice or suggestions as to what the situation may be in the coming
    > months.

If this is not a troll, then perhaps you should consider staynig home.

No, not at all because of the possibility of having any problem with
"Anti-Americansim" -- you won't have any such problem (if one is
particularly obnoxious, then one might have a problem with "Anti-
Obnoxiousism", but that is a different sort of thing).

Instead, you should consider staying home because, if you indeed "have
visited the same Left Bank neighborhood a number of times," and still
feel the need to ask this question, then you probably aren't getting
much out of your visits, and your time might be better spent doing
something else.

Perhaps I am being a bit harsh, but on the one hand you seem to be
saying that you are "experienced travelers" with multiple visits to
France, and on the other your question suggests that you remain wholly
ignorant about France and French attitudes.


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Old Oct 17th 2002, 6:09 pm
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"Miguel Cruz" wrote in message
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    > Jim Cate wrote:
    > > We are considering a trip to France this November or in the March-April
    > > 2003 period. In view of their strong opposition to the US position on
    > > Iraq, does anyone have any news or current information as to whether US
    > > tourists are experiencing a less than warm welcome there these days? In
    > > view of the fact that military action may begin next year, I'm thinking
    > > it might be better to go earlier, perhaps in November or early December,
    > > to avoid being there in the midst of a war.
    > The French and the US have been at strong odds many times in the past, and
    > it's never affected how tourists were treated. I should think it quite
    > insulting to the people of France to assume this time would be different.

Yep, they will be just as rude to American tourists as usual.
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Old Oct 17th 2002, 6:23 pm
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On 17 Oct 2002 17:01:20 GMT, greg byshenk
wrote:

    >Perhaps I am being a bit harsh, but on the one hand you seem to be
    >saying that you are "experienced travelers" with multiple visits to
    >France, and on the other your question suggests that you remain wholly
    >ignorant about France and French attitudes.

In addition, he must unable to use Google as well since this subject
is overly discussed every week or two. I would go with your first
thought.. he's a troll.

Gordon
 
Old Oct 17th 2002, 7:32 pm
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I have visited France 21 times and no one has been rude to me.

A. J.

briggl wrote:

    > "Miguel Cruz" wrote in message
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    > > Jim Cate wrote:
    > > > We are considering a trip to France this November or in the March-April
    > > > 2003 period. In view of their strong opposition to the US position on
    > > > Iraq, does anyone have any news or current information as to whether US
    > > > tourists are experiencing a less than warm welcome there these days? In
    > > > view of the fact that military action may begin next year, I'm thinking
    > > > it might be better to go earlier, perhaps in November or early December,
    > > > to avoid being there in the midst of a war.
    > >
    > > The French and the US have been at strong odds many times in the past, and
    > > it's never affected how tourists were treated. I should think it quite
    > > insulting to the people of France to assume this time would be different.
    > >
    > Yep, they will be just as rude to American tourists as usual.
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Old Oct 17th 2002, 8:27 pm
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"A. J. Vinson" skrev i meddelandet
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    > I have visited France 21 times and no one has been rude to me.
    > A. J.
And furthermore, if such things occurs it's not deliberately against
Americans but against any visitor or perhaps natives.
I can remember just one case of rudeness in France. Was in the dining car
Brussels-Paris when I asked the waiter politely "parlais anglais?". He said
"no" and turned his back. Other French people at the table were upset and
told me in good English they could help me ordering, he will come back I
said and he did so., I pointed to the dishes I wanted and everything was OK.
That single occasion is balanced by the many occasions when French people
have been wonderful helpful and tried the best to overbridge language
confusions.
L.P
 
Old Oct 17th 2002, 8:36 pm
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briggl wrote:
    > "Miguel Cruz" wrote in message
    >>The French and the US have been at strong odds many times in the past, and
    >>it's never affected how tourists were treated. I should think it quite
    >>insulting to the people of France to assume this time would be different.
    > Yep, they will be just as rude to American tourists as usual.


Sure. nothing personal though. Just like they are with each other.
 
Old Oct 17th 2002, 8:36 pm
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On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:20:20 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:

    >We are considering a trip to France this November or in the March-April
    >2003 period. In view of their strong opposition to the US position on
    >Iraq, does anyone have any news or current information as to whether US
    >tourists are experiencing a less than warm welcome there these days? In
    >view of the fact that military action may begin next year, I'm thinking
    >it might be better to go earlier, perhaps in November or early December,
    >to avoid being there in the midst of a war.
    >We (my wife and I) are fairly experienced travelers and have visited the
    >same Left Bank neighborhood a number of times, and we have always found
    >the French to be courteous and friendly. However, I'm wondering whether
    >anyone on the ng has had recent experiences in this regard or can offer
    >advice or suggestions as to what the situation may be in the coming
    >months.
    >Thanks,
    >Jim Cate
Just don;t wear your "I'm proud to be an American' Teeshirt.
 
Old Oct 17th 2002, 10:38 pm
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Europeans, especially the French, are more on the left of political
spectrum compared to the US. So it is natural that they take offenses
at the current Dubya's cowboy foreign policies. Just like anywhere in
the world, there
are hard-liners, militant nationalists who ignorantly think all
Americans think like Dubya. The rudeness of the French, is more likely
because their culture. Most American tourist experienced what we call a
culture shock at the French shenanigan. To the french, these kinds of
behavior are harmless, maybe innocent.

Irwell wrote:
    > On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 09:20:20 -0500, Jim Cate wrote:
    >>We are considering a trip to France this November or in the March-April
    >>2003 period. In view of their strong opposition to the US position on
    >>Iraq, does anyone have any news or current information as to whether US
    >>tourists are experiencing a less than warm welcome there these days? In
    >>view of the fact that military action may begin next year, I'm thinking
    >>it might be better to go earlier, perhaps in November or early December,
    >>to avoid being there in the midst of a war.
    >>We (my wife and I) are fairly experienced travelers and have visited the
    >>same Left Bank neighborhood a number of times, and we have always found
    >>the French to be courteous and friendly. However, I'm wondering whether
    >>anyone on the ng has had recent experiences in this regard or can offer
    >>advice or suggestions as to what the situation may be in the coming
    >>months.
    >>Thanks,
    >>Jim Cate
    > Just don;t wear your "I'm proud to be an American' Teeshirt.
 
Old Oct 18th 2002, 1:01 am
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Go Fig
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In article
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"A. J. Vinson" wrote:

    > I have visited France 21 times and no one has been rude to me.

I never thought the French were rude per say, The Parisians, especially
the taxi drivers, are indeed arrogant. That said, they have quite a
legacy.

jay
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    > A. J.
    > briggl wrote:
    > > "Miguel Cruz" wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]
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    ...
    > > > Jim Cate wrote:
    > > > > We are considering a trip to France this November or in the March-April
    > > > > 2003 period. In view of their strong opposition to the US position on
    > > > > Iraq, does anyone have any news or current information as to whether US
    > > > > tourists are experiencing a less than warm welcome there these days? In
    > > > > view of the fact that military action may begin next year, I'm thinking
    > > > > it might be better to go earlier, perhaps in November or early December,
    > > > > to avoid being there in the midst of a war.
    > > >
    > > > The French and the US have been at strong odds many times in the past, and
    > > > it's never affected how tourists were treated. I should think it quite
    > > > insulting to the people of France to assume this time would be different.
    > > >
    > >
    > > Yep, they will be just as rude to American tourists as usual.
    > > --
    > > briggl
    > > http://www.bestofitaly2001.com Italy
    > > Travelogue

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