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Deep Foiled Malls <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

    > On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:52:34 +0100, [email protected]
    > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
    > wrote:
    >
    > >Deep Foiled Malls <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
    > >
    > >> On 6 Jun 2005 06:59:28 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >"Neighbourhood chip shops are your best bet for fish and chips. Pubs
    > >> >tend to serve dry, low-quality stuff."
    > >> >
    > >> >That wasn't my experience. Just avoid chain pubs and pubs in tourist
    > >> >areas.
    > >>
    > >> Forget the greasy fish and chips and just down a Whopper instead and
    > >> then concentrate on boozing. Food still isn't England's strong point.
    > >
    > >Load of rubbish. :)
    >
    > I knew you'd have to bite! But it's true though, who goes to England
    > with sumptuous food in mind?

But that's perhaps a different question.

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Deep Foiled Malls

On 6 Jun 2005 10:07:03 -0700, [email protected] wrote:

    >The Reids wrote:
    >> Following up to [email protected]
    >> >London is not quite in the category of New York, Paris, or Tokyo for
    >> >food, but its restaurant scene has improved a lot, and it's certainly
    >> >possible to get first-rate French, Italian, Thai, Middle Eastern, and
    >> >of course Indian food there. Unless you're on a minimal budget or
    >> >restricting yourself to strictly British food
    >> Modern british cooking is fine, in fact I would always go for a
    >> place doing modern british (or modern european if you like)
    >> rather than the routine ethnic places. The minimal budget is a
    >> problem, Lonodon isnt cheap.
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    >London is ****ing expensive.
    >Now Belgium is where you really want to eat.

Yeah, forget France and Italy, Belgium is where the mayo really hits
the frites!
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Congokid

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    >London is ****ing expensive.
    >Now Belgium is where you really want to eat.

But perhaps not if, like the OP, you're staying in Russell Square,
London.

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congokid <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In message <[email protected]>, The Reids
    > <[email protected]> writes
    >
    > >There's one for the tourists opposite Centre Point at Oxford
    > >Circus. Fish and chips isn't cheap anymore, of course, with the
    >
    > Are you thinking of the Dionysus, the kebab place?

That's what I was thinking. For the tourists by day, for drunken
clubbers by night! :)

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Deep Foiled Malls

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:14:32 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
wrote:

    >Deep Foiled Malls <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
    >> On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 16:52:34 +0100, [email protected]
    >> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >> >Deep Foiled Malls <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> On 6 Jun 2005 06:59:28 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> >"Neighbourhood chip shops are your best bet for fish and chips. Pubs
    >> >> >tend to serve dry, low-quality stuff."
    >> >> >
    >> >> >That wasn't my experience. Just avoid chain pubs and pubs in tourist
    >> >> >areas.
    >> >>
    >> >> Forget the greasy fish and chips and just down a Whopper instead and
    >> >> then concentrate on boozing. Food still isn't England's strong point.
    >> >
    >> >Load of rubbish. :)
    >>
    >> I knew you'd have to bite! But it's true though, who goes to England
    >> with sumptuous food in mind?
    >But that's perhaps a different question.

Same fish, different batter!
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Deep Foiled Malls <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:

    > On Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:14:32 +0100, [email protected]
    > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)
    > wrote:
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    > >But that's perhaps a different question.
    >
    > Same fish, different batter!

There's always a plaice for a bad pun too!

I think there are a lot of countries that, when you think of visiting,
food isn't the first thing you think about. To tell the truth, I think
it about very few countries, though I enjoy eating a lot, and I tend to
see the better part of the food culture wherever I am. Every country can
have a downside, and this is certainly exacerbated by dietary
requirements. The first couple of visits to France, I was vegetarian,
and in the late 80s, vegetarian food there was in an appalling state
compared to the UK- one reason it took me a while to accept that, yes,
French food is actually really good! (Once I stopped being vegetarian,
that is!) Same thing with Italy- first time I visited I just have
memories of quite bland pasta dishes. And of course, it's perhaps no
accident that I quit being vegetarian while in Athens... :)

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Ian F.

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    > London is not quite in the category of New York, Paris, or Tokyo for
    > food,

This list may be of interest.

http://www.50bestrestaurants.co.uk/

Ian

Ian F.

"congokid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > There are two near where you'll be staying that I've tried. You can eat
    > indoors in both, or eat at pavement benches outside the latter, and I
    > presume both offer food to go:
    > Fryers Delight on Theobalds Road
    > The Rock & Sole Plaice in Covent Garden.

Not too close to Russell Square, but heartily recommended is Two Brothers,
opposite Finchley Central station

http://www.london-restaurants.com/lo...D=9&classID=57

Ian

Charles Hawtrey

In article <[email protected]. com>,
[email protected] says...
    > Forty years ago when I lived in London, I was poor, and I have fond
    > memories of spending my last few shillings for hot, tasty fish and
    > chips, sprinkled with vinegar and salt, and served in a newspaper. Do
    > such simple, old-fashioned fish-and-chips stalls still exist, and if
    > so, were are the good ones? I will be returning to London this summer,
    > and staying in Russell Square.

Not the old-fashioned stalls, but there are a couple of reasonably good
options within walking distance of Russell Square. One is the Rock and
Sole Plaice which is at the corner of Endell Street and Shorts Gardens,
south of High Holborn. My mother insisted on eating there every day
when I took her along on a visit to London. The other is the North Sea,
on Leigh Street near Cartwright Gardens. I haven't been to the North
Sea in some years so can't personally vouch for it. Both are fair value
for the money (especially by London standards).

Farther away and more expensive but very good is Geales, on Farmer
Street just south of the Notting Hill Gate underground. There are some
worthwhile used record/CD shops on the other side of the Notting Hill
Gate road, if you're interested in that sort of thing.

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Martin <[email protected]> wrote:

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    > My son still remembers the completely raw brown painted microwave
    > chicken he got in a motorway restaurant on the M2 and the row I made
    > before they refunded us the money I paid for it.

When I have a nice medium-rare steak, I expect to see a little blood on
the plate- goes great with the sauce! Chicken blood, or pinkish chicken
flesh, is quite a different matter!

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<[email protected]> wrote:

    > >> London is not quite in the category of New York, Paris, or Tokyo for food
    >
    > > The current buzz is that London is the equal of those cities- certainly
    > > at the top end, and of course, nothing is really that cheap in London.
    >
    > London has the five-star expense account-type places, but it doesn't
    > have quite the variety of great restaurants that New York or Tokyo have
    > - when you have top-notch Ethiopian, Peruvian, Indonesian, Korean,
    > regional Mexican, churrascaria, and sushi, then we'll talk. (Tokyo has
    > all of those except regional Mexican.)

I think that most cities (and the ones you mentioned) excel in
particular types of 'ethnic' food. NYC is not reknowned for its Indian
food, though it certainly has the restaurants. NYC isn't really a mecca
for Peruvian cuisine either (though it has a heck of a lot more than the
couple of London restaurants!)- a few good places near Roosevelt Ave
(Blvd?) in Queens- more over the river in Jersey. London is pretty well
represented in terms of ethnic cuisine, but falls behind quite a bit in
the central and south american department, though I'd argue that real
regional Mexican is pretty hard to get in NYC too.

For things like Sushi- well, Sushi is Sushi, no matter where you are.
That's the point. Sushi in Cairo and Chang Mai (I've had it in both
cities) is the same as Sushi in London or New York.

I've had great Ethiopian food in NYC, and some humdrum. Never had it in
London though.

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oneofcold

"I think that most cities (and the ones you mentioned) excel in
particular types of 'ethnic' food."

London - Indian
Paris - North African
Amsterdam - Indonesian
Tokyo - Thai
Los Angeles - Korean
San Francisco - Chinese
Miami - Latin
Washington D.C. - Ethiopian
New York - Italian

"NYC is not reknowned for its Indian food, though it certainly has the
restaurants."

There are a lot of mediocre places, but some very good ones if you know
where to go. Indian food is not nearly as popular in the US as in the
UK, so unless you go to a place in a large South Asian community they
tend to really tone down the spices and serve only the most standard
Indian dishes.

"NYC isn't really a mecca for Peruvian cuisine either (though it has a
heck of a lot more than the couple of London restaurants!)- a few good
places near Roosevelt Ave (Blvd?) in Queens- more over the river in
Jersey."

I've had excellent Peruvian food in Manhattan also. And some very good
Latin fusion and pan-Latin.

"London is pretty well represented in terms of ethnic cuisine, but
falls behind quite a bit in the central and south american department,
though I'd argue that real regional Mexican is pretty hard to get in
NYC too."

A few years ago that was true, but the Mexican options have really
expanded along with the growth of the Mexican immigrant community in
New York.

"For things like Sushi- well, Sushi is Sushi, no matter where you are.
That's the point. Sushi in Cairo and Chang Mai (I've had it in both
cities) is the same as Sushi in London or New York."

I've never had first-rate sushi in Europe, and even Manhattan's
highest-rated Japanese restaurants rarely compare to even $25 places in
Japan.

"I've had great Ethiopian food in NYC, and some humdrum. Never had it
in
London though."

London might have more in the way of West African cuisine.

Douglas W. Hoyt

    >>>>> The Rock & Sole Plaice in Covent Garden.

The oil is fresh (and I have had hideously rancid oil at some
chippies--skanky bad-breath-flavored stuff that sticks to your lips), and
so is the fish. But when you go, simply ask them which is the best fish on
the menu to get what's freshest and what is turning over quick and hot--they
will tell you. Then stroll around Covent Garden enjoying the best meal for
the best price that anyone in the area is having.

Gregory Morrow

chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco wrote:


    > I don't know about that. The current buzz is that London is the equal of
    > those cities- certainly at the top end, and of course, nothing is really
    > that cheap in London.


That's the "buzz" I hear too - and that London has surpassed Paris as the
high - end dining capital of Europe...and in the high - end category London
is considered as good or better than New York.

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Gregory Morrow

Susan Wachob wrote:

    > Just curious- What kinds of foods are considered "English foods- besides
    > fish and chips, of course?


Chicken Tikka Masala is the single most popular dish in the UK these days...

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