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> Life is tough. > It depends on how you define civilization. If civilization means running water, good hygiene, adequate food, electricity, and the like, large areas of the world are excluded. |
Can't let you get away with that. 'Civilized' has got nothing to do with electricity
or internet or suchlike, although it's true that it has a harder time developing without adequate water/food. Surely one would not deny that the ancient Phonecians, Persians, Greeks, or Romans were not civilized? Arab culture is very civilized, although we don't all agree with its content. And just look at the centuries old civilizations of India, and Asia in general. Many parts of Italy did not have adequate food, water, or electricity until the 1960's but that did not stop Basilicata or Calabria or Sicily being extremely civilized in the world of art/literature/architecture, or in everyday social interaction. Saluti, Ed > [usenetquote2]> > "Civilized world" is patronizing, offensive actually to these parts of the world[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > that you don't include.[/usenetquote2] > > > [usenetquote2]> > Many poor countries are every bit as "civilized" as, or more than, many[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > rich ones.[/usenetquote2] > > > > > > |
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> > > Actually, we behave the same when travelling. However, the only time somebody from our family became seriously sick (a nasty virus causing - among other stuff - body temperatures above 107.5 F/42°C) from drinking tap water was my son in Nothern California (Greater Sacramento area). Keeping this in mind, I wouldn't use the terms "civilized world" / "non-civilized world" in this context - Just to do you U.S. folks a favor :) Jens, Munich, Civilized Bavaria :) |
While I agree with you, to really answer the issue you need to define
civilization yourself. > > > > > > > > > [usenetquote2]>>[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]>> > "Civilized world" is patronizing, offensive actually to these parts of the world[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]>> > that you don't include.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]>>[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]>> Life is tough.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]>>[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]>> > Many poor countries are every bit as "civilized" as, or more than, many rich[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]>> > ones.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]>>[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]>> It depends on how you define civilization. If civilization means running water,[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]>> good hygiene, adequate food, electricity, and the like, large areas of the world[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]>> are excluded.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]>>[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]>>[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]>>[/usenetquote2] |
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> > > That thing does not filter bacteria it only improves the taste of the water. -- Curtis |
I just want one where, when traveling abroad, I can fill it up with tap water as I'm
touring. <<<<<<<THE BRITA IS USED FOR WHAT SHE ASKED FOR. > > [usenetquote2]> > I got my brita "Fill & Go's" at Sam's Club... @ for $5.99.. maybe[/usenetquote2] Wal-Mart [usenetquote2]> > also carries them.....[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > Here is their website... they have them on there...[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > http://www.brita.com/224i.html[/usenetquote2] > > > > > |
devil wrote:
> [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > >I suppose it depends upon the country, and the size of the city, but isn't tap[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > >water throughout the civilized world reasonably safe to drink?[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] > > What parts did I not include? From the context of my post (and the one I was replying to) it should not take a genius to deduce that by "civilized" I meant any country with the technological know how to purify their water supply. If you find that "patronizing", I'm sorry, but how else would you word the question and still get its meaning across, without a lot of excess verbiage? ("Civilized" can be used in many contexts - if you apply it to culture, or "spiritual enlightenment", you may or may not be talking about the same countries I was - but that isn't the issue under discussion in this thread, is it?) And in many cases it is actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Point was that "civilized vs. uncivilized" is a very different thing than " rich
vs. poor." Civilization is a social thing not a material one. So using the word is this context is tantameount to denying old civilizations which got poor lately the status of civilizations. And yes, use of words, even inadvertent and in a context where the point is clear, does carry an implied message. Civilization being reduced to technological advance and/or wealth. (More wealth than technology in this case. Water technology is not rocket science.) (And BTW, the "not include" meant "not included in the list of places considered "civilzed.") "Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)" wrote: > > [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > >I suppose it depends upon the country, and the size of the city, but isn't tap[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > >water throughout the civilized world reasonably safe to drink?[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > >[/usenetquote2] > [usenetquote2]> > "Civilized world" is patronizing, offensive actually to these parts of the world[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > that you don't include.[/usenetquote2] > > > > > > > > > > > [usenetquote2]> > technically incorrect. Many poor countries are every bit as "civilized" as, or[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > more than, many rich ones.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > And when talking about oneself, "my" country is civilized, while "yours"[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > presumably is not, come on.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > But anyway. Back to the water. Yes, giardia in St Petersburg is a personal[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > experience. And yes, I was aware of it before going, and yes, I was careful. No,[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > I did not drink the water. Yet, I still got it. And I can only speculate why.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > OTOH, for those why believe bottled water is safer, at least in places where tap[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > water is OK, think again.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > Bottled water won't really be safe until[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > (a) It's properly labeled, including bottling date. You don't want water that's[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > more than a couple of days old. Especially in plastic bottles.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > (b) It has been properly stored throughout its life. In cool dark places. Not in[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > the sunshine and in the tropics.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > Until that becomes reality, I'll stick to tap water.[/usenetquote2] |
"Kevin M. Lloyd" wrote:
> > > You left out the second half of the above sentence: > > He also wanted lead removal. The Brita filter is not equipped for either of these. I will mention, however, if the original poster is travelling in Europe, I don't know anyone who has got traveller's diarrhea travelling here. And the EU's arsenic level regulations are more stringent than those in the US, thanks to GWB. Barbara |
devil wrote:
> > > Only for people who go through life carrying chips on their shoulders.(:-<} |
Geez, get over it. You understood the point the original post was trying to get
across didn't ya? Why drag it through the mud? Go find somewhere else to nitpick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > devil wrote:[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > > >I suppose it depends upon the country, and the size of the city, but isn't[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > > >tap water throughout the civilized world reasonably safe to drink?[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > "Civilized world" is patronizing, offensive actually to these parts of the[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > world that you don't include.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > What parts did I not include? From the context of my post (and the one I was[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > replying to) it should not take a genius to deduce that by "civilized" I meant[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > any country with the technological know how to purify their water supply. If you[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > find that "patronizing", I'm sorry, but how else would you word the question and[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > still get its meaning across, without a lot of excess verbiage? ("Civilized" can[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > be used in many contexts - if you apply it to culture, or "spiritual[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > enlightenment", you may or may not be talking about the same countries I was -[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > but that isn't the issue under discussion in this thread, is it?)[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > And in many cases it is actually[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > technically incorrect. Many poor countries are every bit as[/usenetquote2] "civilized" [usenetquote2]> > > as, or more than, many rich ones.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > And when talking about oneself, "my" country is civilized, while[/usenetquote2] "yours" [usenetquote2]> > > presumably is not, come on.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > But anyway. Back to the water. Yes, giardia in St Petersburg is a personal[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > experience. And yes, I was aware of it before going, and[/usenetquote2] yes, [usenetquote2]> > > I was careful. No, I did not drink the water. Yet, I still got it.[/usenetquote2] And [usenetquote2]> > > I can only speculate why.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > OTOH, for those why believe bottled water is safer, at least in places where[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > tap water is OK, think again.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > Bottled water won't really be safe until[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > (a) It's properly labeled, including bottling date. You don't want water that's[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > more than a couple of days old. Especially in plastic bottles.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > (b) It has been properly stored throughout its life. In cool dark places. Not[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > in the sunshine and in the tropics.[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > >[/usenetquote2] [usenetquote2]> > > Until that becomes reality, I'll stick to tap water.[/usenetquote2] |
This man's question was not about the philosophy of civilization, but was about water
purification. Brita does put out a filter, but unfortunately it only removes lead and taste. You need a filter that removes viruses and/or microorganisms. Personally I treat my water with Iodine tablets ($6) and then put through a filter to remove taste. First need (General Ecology) makes a filter that should last about 200 qts for about $25. I personally use Sweet Water's guardian ($45) These can be found at any camping retail or backpacking store. Online there are many retailers, but the only couple I am comfortable using are Campmor.com or REI.com. > > > > in > (removal > > > soon!) > > > > |
Re: filter water bottles...
Entire world is thinking on their health to live long as it can but with a minimum cost.All are highly considering on food as same as the drinking water.How you can guarranty when you purchase a mineral water bottle,weather it is manufactured through a standardized process.Thing is you have to yourself take care when drink water.Using boiling water is good recommendation.How you can do when you are travelling?You have to sacrifice little.Use a portable Glass 1 lt. bottle.I am desining a fine filter with a good flow rate to fix it on the neck(removable when filling) of the bottle.Since I am in the Glass Bottle Manufacturing company.A relevent bottle is in the experiment level to launch this product.I am finding a good Filter manufacturerer in the overseas.So wherever you going you can it hang on your shoulders.When empty remove the filter,Fill it from boiled water if you can get,or fill it from tap water.Close the filter.At least even sediments and some small particals will stop going in to your stomach.Low cost much pure do this.
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Re: filter water bottles...
Since there are already a couple of products that appear similar I hope that you have
a good business plan, lots of startup funds, and a good patent lawyer. Frank Matthews christon fernan wrote: > Entire world is thinking on their health to live long as it can but with a minimum > cost.All are highly considering on food as same as the drinking water.How you can > guarranty when you purchase a mineral water bottle,weather it is manufactured > through a standardized process.Thing is you have to yourself take care when drink > water.Using boiling water is good recommendation.How you can do when you are > travelling?You have to sacrifice little.Use a portable Glass 1 lt. bottle.I am > desining a fine filter with a good flow rate to fix it on the neck(removable when > filling) of the bottle.Since I am in the Glass Bottle Manufacturing company.A > relevent bottle is in the experiment level to launch this product.I am finding a > good Filter manufacturerer in the overseas.So wherever you going you can it hang on > your shoulders.When empty remove the filter,Fill it from boiled water if you can > get,or fill it from tap water.Close the filter.At least even sediments and some > small particals will stop going in to your stomach.Low cost much pure do this. > > > > -- > chris > > Posted via http://britishexpats.com |
Re: filter water bottles...
Hi
it's not needed in Europe Peter |
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