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Grey Aug 5th 2003 4:03 am

Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
And the funny thing is that if you ask if a hotel has a/c, they'll
*still* say it never gets hot here....

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...rope_heat_wave

Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
Tue Aug 5, 2:38 AM ET

By PAMELA SAMPSON, Associated Press Writer

PARIS - A heat wave smothering parts of Europe forced French
authorities to spray down the walls of a nuclear reactor with water
and led British rail operators to halt some trains for fear the tracks
would buckle.


Much of France has been sweltering for weeks, with temperatures
reaching 106 in southwestern Bordeaux on June 21 and then again on
Monday in Castelsarrazin in southwest France. But the worst may be yet
to come.


It's been one of Europe's worst heat waves and dry spells in years.
Authorities on the Iberian peninsula scrambled to put out stubborn,
deadly forest fires, but officials said the worst could be yet to
come.


"The coming days could approach or beat this maximum," said Dominique
Escale of Meteo France, the French national weather service (news -
web sites). "This is a very, very hot summer."


Temperatures in Paris, which averages 75 in August, reached 98.6 on
Monday.


In eastern France, technicians tried spraying the inner walls of a
structure housing a nuclear reactor with cold water. They were trying
to figure out if the technique helped lower the temperature inside the
structure, which houses one of two reactors at the plant in
Fessenheim, on France's border with Germany.


"The idea is to wet the reactor walls on the side that's most exposed
to sunlight," said Joseph Sanchez, the plant's assistant director. "We
can't say if it works yet."


Temperatures at the plant rose to 119, two degrees short of the point
requiring an emergency shutdown. Utility officials say the weather
poses no danger to the operation of the plant, which can withstand
much higher temperatures.


"Nothing would probably happen even at 100 or 150 degrees (Celsius),"
said Anne Laszlo, a spokeswoman for Electricite de France.


German power provider E.On said Monday that two nuclear power plants
have reduced output by up to 50 percent over the last few weeks
because of high temperatures. The plants, in central and southern
Germany, do not have cooling towers that lower river water temperature
before it is used.


The German Weather Service said daytime temperatures could go as high
as 104 on Wednesday in parts of the south, which would be just short
of the record of 104.4 set in 1983.


German authorities said that ozone levels were reaching critical
levels and advised Germans to restrict any strenuous exercise to the
morning hours. Ozone can build to dangerous levels on hot, sunny
summer days when sunlight bakes emissions from cars and power plants,
causing a chemical reaction that forms ground-level ozone. High ozone
levels can exacerbate problems for people with breathing and heart
ailments.


Weather forecasters in Britain said that the all-time British high of
98.8, set in 1990, could fall in the coming days.


"It's possible that on Wednesday we could have the highest temperature
ever recorded in Britain," said Elizabeth Anett of Press Association's
WeatherCenter. "It's going to be incredibly hot."


The heat forced train operators to impose speed restrictions on some
lines Monday because high temperatures can cause rails to buckle.
Train travel within London, and from the capital to Birmingham in
central England, were among the routes affected.


Forest and brush fires fanned by heat, high winds and drought in
France, Spain and Portugal have killed more than a dozen people.


The Portuguese government declared a state of disaster Monday, while
3,000 firefighters struggled to contain the country's worst forest
fires in decades. At least nine people there have died.

Forest fires in the foothills of the French Riviera last week killed
four people, and another man died on the French island of Corsica when
he tried to put out a fire on his property. In Spain, firefighters
have been battling intense fires since Thursday.

The Spanish National Weather Service said Monday the heat wave was the
worst since 1995 and was likely to continue all week. Seven deaths
have been blamed on the heat, all in southern Andalusia.

The highest recorded temperature in Spain was 114.4 over the weekend,
at the airport in Cordoba.

Even Finland, the European Union (news - web sites)'s northernmost
country, was not spared some discomfort. This summer's record
temperature was 92, approaching the hottest-ever recorded temperature
of 96.6 set in 1914.

A country of thousands of lakes, Finland also saw a spike in the
number of people who drowned — at least 45 — during the heat wave,
which lasted 26 days in some areas.

The Reid Aug 5th 2003 8:49 pm

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
Following up to grey

    >And the funny thing is that if you ask if a hotel has a/c, they'll
    >*still* say it never gets hot here....

only if they don't have air con.
--
Mike Reid
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Grey Aug 6th 2003 4:14 am

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 09:49:23 +0100, The Reid
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Following up to grey
    >>And the funny thing is that if you ask if a hotel has a/c, they'll
    >>*still* say it never gets hot here....
    >only if they don't have air con.

Heh. Wish that were true--too often, I've run into "Euro air
conditioning" on really hot days/nights--the kind where you have to
hold up a feather before the vent to see if it's on...

But the climate does seem to be changing, and a lot more people are
getting serious about a/c in Europe where you never saw that before...

The Reid Aug 6th 2003 4:46 am

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
Following up to grey

    >But the climate does seem to be changing, and a lot more people are
    >getting serious about a/c in Europe where you never saw that before...

when Europe is as hot as the US you will see as much aircon.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
UK walking "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" (see web for email)
Spain,cuisines and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"

Mxsmanic Aug 6th 2003 8:19 am

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
grey writes:

    > Heh. Wish that were true--too often, I've run into "Euro air
    > conditioning" on really hot days/nights--the kind where you have to
    > hold up a feather before the vent to see if it's on...

That's another bizarre thing about Europeans: Sometimes they install
air conditioning, but they never, ever turn it on. It's just never "hot
enough" to justify that decadence. Even on sweltering days, you walk
into stores and restaurants that clearly have air conditioning installed
(I can spot the telltale signs of central air a kilometre away), but
don't have it running.

    > But the climate does seem to be changing, and a lot more people are
    > getting serious about a/c in Europe where you never saw that before...

Good. (Good that they are taking A/C seriously, not good that it's
getting so hot.)

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Mxsmanic Aug 6th 2003 8:20 am

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
The Reid writes:

    > when Europe is as hot as the US you will see as much aircon.

Paris was as hot as Las Vegas today.

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Marie Lewis Aug 6th 2003 9:13 am

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
In article <[email protected]>, Mxsmanic
<[email protected]> writes
    >That's another bizarre thing about Europeans:


Heaven alone knows why you choose to live there: you do little but
criticise the native inhabitants.
--
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Jim Ley Aug 6th 2003 9:34 am

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 22:19:47 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >grey writes:
    >> Heh. Wish that were true--too often, I've run into "Euro air
    >> conditioning" on really hot days/nights--the kind where you have to
    >> hold up a feather before the vent to see if it's on...
    >That's another bizarre thing about Europeans: Sometimes they install
    >air conditioning, but they never, ever turn it on. It's just never "hot
    >enough" to justify that decadence. Even on sweltering days, you walk
    >into stores and restaurants that clearly have air conditioning installed
    >(I can spot the telltale signs of central air a kilometre away), but
    >don't have it running.

Odd the one thing I find about shops in England in hot weather, is how
cold they are, they're too cold to spend any time in, the aircon is
turned up to high, they'd be fine if I was dressed for autumn, but
dressed for hot weather I just shiver.

Jim.

David Horne Aug 6th 2003 1:12 pm

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Odd the one thing I find about shops in England in hot weather, is how
    > cold they are, they're too cold to spend any time in, the aircon is
    > turned up to high, they'd be fine if I was dressed for autumn, but
    > dressed for hot weather I just shiver.

I'd say that about some US malls and stores, but it's less of the norm
in the UK IME. Supermarkets tend to have the most a/c in the UK, but
I've yet to find anywhere as frigid as you describe. Where are you
talking about? Honestly, I'm racking my brain trying to think of a
single shop I've been in recently in the UK where I felt it was too
cold, at least compared to the US where I lived for 11 years. I've been
in more than a few that would have benefited from a/c, in hot weather,
but that's a different story...

David

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David Horne Aug 6th 2003 1:12 pm

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:

    > The Reid writes:
    >
    > > when Europe is as hot as the US you will see as much aircon.
    >
    > Paris was as hot as Las Vegas today.

Keep telling yourself that.

David

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davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

Jim Ley Aug 6th 2003 1:22 pm

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 02:12:21 +0100,
[email protected] (David Horne) wrote:

    >Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Odd the one thing I find about shops in England in hot weather, is how
    >> cold they are, they're too cold to spend any time in, the aircon is
    >> turned up to high, they'd be fine if I was dressed for autumn, but
    >> dressed for hot weather I just shiver.
    >I'd say that about some US malls and stores, but it's less of the norm
    >in the UK IME. Supermarkets tend to have the most a/c in the UK, but
    >I've yet to find anywhere as frigid as you describe. Where are you
    >talking about?

As you say supermarkets are one place that's particularly bad, the
awful safeway I was forced into for lunch (as the only place that sold
food near where I worked) was always too cold all year round.

Generally the problems are M&S and similar large department stores,
here in Vancouver, I've not had the same problem if anything the shops
have been too warm.

Jim.

David Horne Aug 6th 2003 1:29 pm

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Generally the problems are M&S and similar large department stores,

Really? I'd be very surprised if many foreign visitors agreed that UK
department stores were over-cooled. Like I said, I lived in the US for
11 years, and was frequently annoyed by stores which I considered _too_
cool. I can't think of one in the UK so far. Supermarets are cool, but
frigid? NIME.

David

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Erilar Aug 7th 2003 6:13 am

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
In article
<1fzaupk.j72ywyuwjlj9N%i_will_almost_never_read_th [email protected]>,
[email protected] (David Horne) wrote:

    > Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > Generally the problems are M&S and similar large department stores,
    >
    > Really? I'd be very surprised if many foreign visitors agreed that UK
    > department stores were over-cooled. Like I said, I lived in the US for
    > 11 years, and was frequently annoyed by stores which I considered _too_
    > cool. I can't think of one in the UK so far. Supermarets are cool, but
    > frigid? NIME.

It's really a matter of what you consider "cool", I think. I've never
found a store frigid, but I don't like heat much. I also don't travel to
Europe in summer now that I've retired from teaching and can go when I
please, usually fall.

--
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Erilar's Cave Annex:
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo

Jim Ley Aug 7th 2003 8:37 am

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 02:29:05 +0100,
[email protected] (David Horne) wrote:

    >Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Generally the problems are M&S and similar large department stores,
    >Really? I'd be very surprised if many foreign visitors agreed that UK
    >department stores were over-cooled. Like I said, I lived in the US for
    >11 years, and was frequently annoyed by stores which I considered _too_
    >cool. I can't think of one in the UK so far. Supermarets are cool, but
    >frigid? NIME.

I agree, I think the problem is personal perception, it could also
simply be tolerance to rapid changes of temperatures, and I've just
got poor ability it that, so can't cope with say the 5 C temp
difference even if normally the temp in the stores would be fine, and
other people are happy with the temp.

Jim.

Mxsmanic Aug 7th 2003 3:29 pm

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
Jim Ley writes:

    > I agree, I think the problem is personal perception, it could also
    > simply be tolerance to rapid changes of temperatures, and I've just
    > got poor ability it that, so can't cope with say the 5 C temp
    > difference even if normally the temp in the stores would be fine, and
    > other people are happy with the temp.

FWIW, most large stores in Paris are air-conditioned, but only slightly,
and the air inside is often extremely humid and clammy (which betrays an
inadequate A/C, incidentally). It's not the temperature so much as the
very high humidity in these stores that bothers me.

It's much worse in winter, when almost all the large stores are
dramatically overheated.

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Thomas Peel Aug 8th 2003 9:31 pm

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
David Horne schrieb:
    >
    > Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > The Reid writes:
    > >
    > > > when Europe is as hot as the US you will see as much aircon.
    > >
    > > Paris was as hot as Las Vegas today.
    >
    > Keep telling yourself that.
    >
    > David
    >
    > --
    > David Horne- www.davidhorne.co.uk
    > davidhorne (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

Yesterday saw the all-time record for Germany. 40.7 degrees- that's 105
Fahrenheit for the rest of you.

Tom

Mxsmanic Aug 9th 2003 12:09 am

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
Thomas Peel writes:

    > Yesterday saw the all-time record for Germany. 40.7
    > degrees- that's 105 Fahrenheit for the rest of you.

Alas! Records are made to be broken. Wait and see.

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A.Spencer3 Aug 15th 2003 12:33 am

Re: Europeans Swelter in Near-Record Heat
 
Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > grey writes:
    > > Heh. Wish that were true--too often, I've run into "Euro air
    > > conditioning" on really hot days/nights--the kind where you have to
    > > hold up a feather before the vent to see if it's on...
    > That's another bizarre thing about Europeans: Sometimes they install
    > air conditioning, but they never, ever turn it on. It's just never "hot
    > enough" to justify that decadence. Even on sweltering days, you walk
    > into stores and restaurants that clearly have air conditioning installed
    > (I can spot the telltale signs of central air a kilometre away), but
    > don't have it running.
    > > But the climate does seem to be changing, and a lot more people are
    > > getting serious about a/c in Europe where you never saw that before...
    > Good. (Good that they are taking A/C seriously, not good that it's
    > getting so hot.)

We have two small village stores, & both are wonderfully airconditioned -
guess where people are meeting up!
(Unfortunately, the pub ain't!)

Surreyman


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