Jipsey

I hope that Mxsmanic purchased that air conditioner :)

http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid...climate_change

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (Reuters) - Europe is warming up more quickly
than the rest of the world, and cold winters could disappear almost
entirely by 2080 as a result of global warming, researchers predicted
Wednesday.

Heat waves and floods are likely to become more frequent, threatening
the elderly and infirm, and three quarters of the Swiss Alps' glaciers
might melt down by 2050, the study prepared by the European
Environment Agency (EEA) said.

"This report pulls together a wealth of evidence that climate change
is already happening and having widespread impacts, many of them with
substantial economic costs, on people and ecosystems in Europe," EEA
executive director Jacqueline McGlade said in a statement.

The average number of climate-related disasters per year doubled over
the 1990s compared to the previous decade, costing economies around
$11 billion a year, said the report, the first by the European Union
(news - web sites) body on the impact of global warming on Europe.

"Projections show that by 2080 cold winters could disappear almost
entirely and hot summers, droughts and incidents of heavy rain or hail
could become much more frequent," the report said.

Climate changes are likely to increase the frequency of floods and
droughts like those that hit Europe in the past years, damaging
agriculture and making plant species extinct, the Copenhagen-based EEA
concluded.

The floods that swept through 11 European countries in 2001 killed
about 80 people, while last year's heat wave in western and southern
Europe claimed the lives of more than 20,000.

GREENHOUSE GASES

The EEA findings echo those published last week by U.S. climate
researchers who predicted that heat waves might become more common as
global warming heats the earth and said regions already prone to heat,
such as the U.S. Midwest and Europe's Mediterranean area, could suffer
even more.

The concentration of carbon dioxide, one of the heat-trapping
greenhouse gases blamed for global warming, in the lower atmosphere is
now at its highest level for at least 420,000 years and stands 34
percent above its level before the Industrial Revolution, the EEA
report said.

According to the agency's study, temperatures in Europe have risen by
an average of 1.7 degrees Fahrenheit over the past 100 years and are
projected to climb by a further 3.6 to 11.3 degrees this century due
to the rise in greenhouse gases emissions.

This compared to a global rise in temperatures of 0.36 to 1.26 degrees
in the past century and a forecast of another rise of 2.52 to 10.4
degrees this century, said the report.

The researchers said glaciers in eight of Europe's nine glacial
regions were at their lowest levels in terms of area and mass in 5,000
years.

They forecast that sea levels in Europe would rise at a pace more than
two-to-four times faster than the rise seen in the last century -- a
threat to low-lying countries such as the Netherlands, where half the
population lives below sea level.

Ivan Sever

In article <[email protected]>,
Jipsey <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I hope that Mxsmanic purchased that air conditioner :)
    >
    > http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid...climate_change
    >
    > AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (Reuters) - Europe is warming up more quickly
    > than the rest of the world, and cold winters could disappear almost
    > entirely by 2080 as a result of global warming, researchers predicted
    > Wednesday.
    >
    > Heat waves and floods are likely to become more frequent, threatening
    > the elderly and infirm, and three quarters of the Swiss Alps' glaciers
    > might melt down by 2050, the study prepared by the European
    > Environment Agency (EEA) said.
    >
    > "This report pulls together a wealth of evidence that climate change
    > is already happening and having widespread impacts, many of them with
    > substantial economic costs, on people and ecosystems in Europe," EEA
    > executive director Jacqueline McGlade said in a statement.
    >
    > The average number of climate-related disasters per year doubled over
    > the 1990s compared to the previous decade, costing economies around
    > $11 billion a year, said the report, the first by the European Union
    > (news - web sites) body on the impact of global warming on Europe.
    >
    > "Projections show that by 2080 cold winters could disappear almost
    > entirely and hot summers, droughts and incidents of heavy rain or hail
    > could become much more frequent," the report said.
    >
    > Climate changes are likely to increase the frequency of floods and
    > droughts like those that hit Europe in the past years, damaging
    > agriculture and making plant species extinct, the Copenhagen-based EEA
    > concluded.
    >
    > The floods that swept through 11 European countries in 2001 killed
    > about 80 people, while last year's heat wave in western and southern
    > Europe claimed the lives of more than 20,000.
    >
    > GREENHOUSE GASES
    >
    > The EEA findings echo those published last week by U.S. climate
    > researchers who predicted that heat waves might become more common as
    > global warming heats the earth and said regions already prone to heat,
    > such as the U.S. Midwest and Europe's Mediterranean area, could suffer
    > even more.
    >
    > The concentration of carbon dioxide, one of the heat-trapping
    > greenhouse gases blamed for global warming, in the lower atmosphere is
    > now at its highest level for at least 420,000 years and stands 34
    > percent above its level before the Industrial Revolution, the EEA
    > report said.
    >
    > According to the agency's study, temperatures in Europe have risen by
    > an average of 1.7 degrees Fahrenheit over the past 100 years and are
    > projected to climb by a further 3.6 to 11.3 degrees this century due
    > to the rise in greenhouse gases emissions.
    >

REFERENCE:
Ye, H. and Ellison, M. 2003. Changes in transitional snowfall season
length in northern Eurasia. Geophysical Research Letters 30:
10.1029/2003GL016873.

What was learned
In the words of the authors, they first determined that "the length of
continuous snow cover has increased about 4 days/decade over northern
European Russia and over small areas of western and central Siberia, but
decreased about 2 days/decade over some areas of southern and
southeastern Siberia." Second, they learned that "the transitional
snowfall season has increased in both spring and fall with the most
significant increases occurring in spring over southeastern Siberia."
Hence, the overall result for the entire study area was an increase in
the lengths of all three snow-cover seasons: the continuous snow-cover
season and the fall and spring transitional snow-cover seasons.

What it means
Contrary to climate-alarmist predictions of decreases in Northern
Hemispheric snow-cover in response to global warming, just the opposite
has been observed across northern Eurasia from the mid-1930s to the
mid-1990s.


REFERENCE:
Lindstrom, G. and Bergstrom, S. 2004. Runoff trends in Sweden
1807-2002. Hydrological Sciences Journal 49: 69-83.


What was learned
"In Sweden," say the authors, "the last 20 years of the past century
were unusually wet, with a runoff anomaly of +8% compared with the
century average." However, they also report that "the runoff in the
1920s was comparable to that of the two latest decades," and that "the
few observation series available from the 1800s show that the runoff was
even higher than recently." With respect to floods, they note that
"flood peaks in old data are probably underestimated," which "makes it
difficult to conclude that there has really been a significant increase
in average flood levels," as is often claimed by climate alarmists and
reported in the media. In addition, they say that "no increased
frequency of floods with a return period of 10 years or more, could be
determined."

REFERENCE:
Mudelsee, M., Borngen, M., Tetzlaff, G. and Grunewald, U. 2003. No
upward trends in the occurrence of extreme floods in central Europe.
Nature 425: 166-169.

What was done
Mudelsee et al. analyzed historical documents stretching from the 11th
century to 1850 and subsequent water stage and daily runoff records from
then until 2002 pertaining to two of the largest rivers in central
Europe, the Elbe and Oder rivers, seeking to determine trends in flood
occurrence over the past thousand years.

What was learned
The team of German scientists report that "for the past 80 to 150
years" -- which climate alarmists typically describe as a period of
unprecedented global warming -- "we find a decrease in winter flood
occurrence in both rivers, while summer floods show no trend, consistent
with trends in extreme precipitation occurrence."

What it means
The strident claims of the world's Cadonaus and Trittins clearly don't
stand up to scrutiny when compared with reality. As the world has
recovered from the global chill of the Little Ice Age, flooding of the
Elbe and Oder rivers has not materially changed in summer and has
actually decreased in winter. Blaming anthropogenic CO2 emissions for
the European flooding of 2002 must thus have been a political ploy, for
it was surely not a reasoned deduction based on scientific evidence.

D.A.L.

    >I hope that Mxsmanic purchased that air conditioner :)
    > http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid...climate_change

Stuff and nonsense. The worlds climate is as predictable as the next
episode of EastEnders. All it takes is a massive volcanic eruption to
happen somewhere in Asia for the world to be plunged into another ice age.
You might mock, but its happened before and it will happen again.

What you should worry about more is the moon spinning off away away from the
Earth. Now that is a worry.

Charles Hawtrey

"D.A.L." <[email protected]> climbed onto an orange crate and
shouted:

    >>I hope that Mxsmanic purchased that air conditioner :)
    >> http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid...climate_change
    >Stuff and nonsense. The worlds climate is as predictable as the next
    >episode of EastEnders. All it takes is a massive volcanic eruption to
    >happen somewhere in Asia for the world to be plunged into another ice age.
    >You might mock, but its happened before and it will happen again.

Volcanic eruptions don't cause ice ages.

    >What you should worry about more is the moon spinning off away away from the
    >Earth. Now that is a worry.

As a fan of sarcasm, I hope that's what you're employing, and that you
aren't being serious...



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Lennart Petersen

"D.A.L." <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
    > >I hope that Mxsmanic purchased that air conditioner :)
    > >
    > > http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid...climate_change
    > >
    > Stuff and nonsense. The worlds climate is as predictable as the next
    > episode of EastEnders. All it takes is a massive volcanic eruption to
    > happen somewhere in Asia for the world to be plunged into another ice age.
    > You might mock, but its happened before and it will happen again.
    > What you should worry about more is the moon spinning off away away from
the
    > Earth. Now that is a worry.
In fact that's what's actually happening
From The nine planets:
http://www.nineplanets.org/

"But the Earth is not completely fluid, either. The Earth's rotation carries
the Earth's bulges slightly ahead of the point directly beneath the Moon.
This means that the force between the Earth and the Moon is not exactly
along the line between their centers producing a torque on the Earth and an
accelerating force on the Moon. This causes a net transfer of rotational
energy from the Earth to the Moon, slowing down the Earth's rotation by
about 1.5 milliseconds/century and raising the Moon into a higher orbit by
about 3.8 centimeters per year. "

Nightjar

"Jipsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I hope that Mxsmanic purchased that air conditioner :)
    > http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid...climate_change
    > AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (Reuters) - Europe is warming up more quickly
    > than the rest of the world, and cold winters could disappear almost
    > entirely by 2080 as a result of global warming, researchers predicted
    > Wednesday.

There a lies, damn lies and statistics. If you use the 1960s as a base, you
can show that there has been a significant and steady rise in temperatures
in Britain. If you use the 1950s as a base, you can show that temperatures
are just about getting back to normal after the 1960s scare that we were
about to enter a mini ice age.

Colin Bignell

D.A.L.

    > Volcanic eruptions don't cause ice ages.

Are you sure? Taken from
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/1998...ct2/group4.htm

. Volcanic Activity:
- During the Little Ice Age, records show that this was a period of
numerous volcanic eruptions.
- As volcanoes erupt they spit particles and gases into the air, an event
leading to the aerosol effect.
- Aerosol effect reduces the amount of incoming solar heat by relecting it
back into space. This increases the earth's albedo. A higher albedo
coincides with lower temperatures-a cooling if you will.
- An example of this idea can be seen in the eruption of Tambora. This
eruption produced so much gases and particles that it lowered earth's
temperature enough that it robbed Europe of a summer the following year (The
year without a summer).

And this: http://advance.uri.edu/pacer/march2004/story23.htm
Oceanographers investigate link between Ice Age, volcanic eruptions
Approximately 75,000 years ago, a massive explosive eruption from the Toba
volcano in western Indonesia coincided with the onset of the Earth's last
Ice Age.

In the current issue of Geology, University of Rhode Island geological
oceanographers Meng-Yang Lee and Steven Carey, along with colleagues from
Taiwan, describe their investigation into the possibility that eruptions
from the Toba caldera (or crater) on the island of Sumatra caused a severe
"volcanic winter" and the initiation of a glacial period.

The magnitude of the oldest Toba eruptions had not previously been
documented due to the difficulty in recognizing their widespread erupted
products in marine sediments. Lee and the team of scientists present new
data on the distribution of volcanic ash from the oldest Toba eruption in
Ocean Drilling Program cores and piston cores in the South China Sea and
Indian Ocean. By using high-resolution litho-, magneto-, and oxygen isotope
stratigraphic records, the geologists were able to clarify the correlation
between distribution patterns in the cores, refine the age of the layers,
and re-estimate the eruptive volume of the early eruption of Toba.

The results of their analysis indicate that the glass shards from the first
Toba eruption 788,000 years ago were dispersed more than 2,000 miles from
the source. Fallout from the eruption was deposited from clouds that drifted
over both the Indian Ocean and the South China Sea, producing an extensive
ash blanket that may have been comparable in size to that of the last Toba
eruption 75,000 years ago.

Comparing material from the oldest Toba eruption to that of the youngest or
most recent eruption, the scientists were able to draw surprising
conclusions. The most recent Toba eruption (75,000 years ago) has been
proposed as a triggering mechanism for the onset of large-scale glaciation,
which brought the last interglacial stage to its end. The coincidence of the
oldest Toba eruption with the transition from a glacial stage to an
interglacial stage, however, appears to be an opposite effect.

Although the estimated volume of the oldest Toba eruption is not as large as
the youngest Toba, they are both enormous eruptions involving discharges of
tremendous amounts of magma. However, the warming trend following the oldest
super-eruption of the Toba appears to suggest that factors other than
volcanism have played more influencing roles in governing glacial to
interglacial transitions over the last 3 million years.

And finally,

.....yes, the moon is spinning away from the Eart, but very slowly. The
current rate at which the Earth day is increasing is 0.0018 seconds/century.
The semi-major axis of the lunar orbit is increasing by 3.8 centimeters/year
according to laser ranging measurements made since the 1970's using the
Apollo 'corner cube reflectors' deposited on the surface by the astronauts.

It is expected that in 15 billion years, the orbit will stabilize at 1.6
times its present size, and the Earth day will be 55 days long equal to the
time it will take the Moon to orbit the Earth. Of course, in less than 7
billion years, the Sun will have evolved into a red giant star and engulfed
the Earth-Moon system, thereby incinerating it!

Magda

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 18:14:34 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, Jipsey <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... I hope that Mxsmanic purchased that air conditioner :)

Do you think he will be alive in 76 years' time ?

...
... http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid...climate_change
...
... AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (Reuters) - Europe is warming up more quickly
... than the rest of the world, and cold winters could disappear almost
... entirely by 2080 as a result of global warming, researchers predicted
... Wednesday.
...
... Heat waves and floods are likely to become more frequent, threatening
... the elderly and infirm, and three quarters of the Swiss Alps' glaciers
... might melt down by 2050, the study prepared by the European
... Environment Agency (EEA) said.
...
... "This report pulls together a wealth of evidence that climate change
... is already happening and having widespread impacts, many of them with
... substantial economic costs, on people and ecosystems in Europe," EEA
... executive director Jacqueline McGlade said in a statement.
...
... The average number of climate-related disasters per year doubled over
... the 1990s compared to the previous decade, costing economies around
... $11 billion a year, said the report, the first by the European Union
... (news - web sites) body on the impact of global warming on Europe.
...
... "Projections show that by 2080 cold winters could disappear almost
... entirely and hot summers, droughts and incidents of heavy rain or hail
... could become much more frequent," the report said.
...
... Climate changes are likely to increase the frequency of floods and
... droughts like those that hit Europe in the past years, damaging
... agriculture and making plant species extinct, the Copenhagen-based EEA
... concluded.
...
... The floods that swept through 11 European countries in 2001 killed
... about 80 people, while last year's heat wave in western and southern
... Europe claimed the lives of more than 20,000.
...
... GREENHOUSE GASES
...
... The EEA findings echo those published last week by U.S. climate
... researchers who predicted that heat waves might become more common as
... global warming heats the earth and said regions already prone to heat,
... such as the U.S. Midwest and Europe's Mediterranean area, could suffer
... even more.
...
... The concentration of carbon dioxide, one of the heat-trapping
... greenhouse gases blamed for global warming, in the lower atmosphere is
... now at its highest level for at least 420,000 years and stands 34
... percent above its level before the Industrial Revolution, the EEA
... report said.
...
... According to the agency's study, temperatures in Europe have risen by
... an average of 1.7 degrees Fahrenheit over the past 100 years and are
... projected to climb by a further 3.6 to 11.3 degrees this century due
... to the rise in greenhouse gases emissions.
...
... This compared to a global rise in temperatures of 0.36 to 1.26 degrees
... in the past century and a forecast of another rise of 2.52 to 10.4
... degrees this century, said the report.
...
... The researchers said glaciers in eight of Europe's nine glacial
... regions were at their lowest levels in terms of area and mass in 5,000
... years.
...
... They forecast that sea levels in Europe would rise at a pace more than
... two-to-four times faster than the rise seen in the last century -- a
... threat to low-lying countries such as the Netherlands, where half the
... population lives below sea level.

Lennart Petersen

"nightjar .uk.com>" <nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]. ..
    > There a lies, damn lies and statistics. If you use the 1960s as a base,
you
    > can show that there has been a significant and steady rise in temperatures
    > in Britain. If you use the 1950s as a base, you can show that temperatures
    > are just about getting back to normal after the 1960s scare that we were
    > about to enter a mini ice age.
    > Colin Bignell
But not lying is the fact that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere have now
reached the highest amount for several hundred million years.
And a such amount is likely to increase the temperatures on earth.
Could be ,eventually, be balanced with a natural decrease of temperatures
but that's not so predictable.
Also not lying is the fact that with the present and the foresighted
increase of oil consumption we are likely to burn,over the next 25 years as
much as in the history.

Keith Willshaw

"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "nightjar .uk.com>" <nightjar@<insert_my_surname_here> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:[email protected]. ..
    > >
    > > There a lies, damn lies and statistics. If you use the 1960s as a base,
    > you
    > > can show that there has been a significant and steady rise in
temperatures
    > > in Britain. If you use the 1950s as a base, you can show that
temperatures
    > > are just about getting back to normal after the 1960s scare that we were
    > > about to enter a mini ice age.
    > > Colin Bignell
    > But not lying is the fact that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere have
now
    > reached the highest amount for several hundred million years.

In fact they are at one of the LOWEST levels for that period

See the chart published in the New Scientist on 16 June 2001
http://managingwholes.com/grasscarbon.htm

100 million years ago Co2 levels were around 3 times the
value today. We are emerging from a period of glaciation,
indeed technically we are still in an ice age. During such
periods atmospheric CO2 levels have always increased
dramatically.

Todays level is around 380ppm

600 million years ago the level was 6000 ppm

    > And a such amount is likely to increase the temperatures on earth.
    > Could be ,eventually, be balanced with a natural decrease of temperatures
    > but that's not so predictable.

While its true that Co2 levels historically rise in post glacial
periods the link between cause and effect is still a little problematic

The Scripps Institute believes that high levels of antarctic glaciation
prevent the oceans from releasing CO2 in a normal manner
and that when the ice retreats an increase in CO2 is the inevitable
result.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0310075412.htm
http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2004AM/fin...ract_80813.htm

Keith




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Sigbjørn Brun

"Jipsey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I hope that Mxsmanic purchased that air conditioner :)
    > http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid...climate_change
    > AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (Reuters) - Europe is warming up more quickly
    > than the rest of the world, and cold winters could disappear almost
    > entirely by 2080 as a result of global warming, researchers predicted
    > Wednesday.
    > Heat waves and floods are likely to become more frequent, threatening
    > the elderly and infirm, and three quarters of the Swiss Alps' glaciers
    > might melt down by 2050, the study prepared by the European
    > Environment Agency (EEA) said.
    > "This report pulls together a wealth of evidence that climate change
    > is already happening and having widespread impacts, many of them with
    > substantial economic costs, on people and ecosystems in Europe," EEA
    > executive director Jacqueline McGlade said in a statement.
    > The average number of climate-related disasters per year doubled over
    > the 1990s compared to the previous decade, costing economies around
    > $11 billion a year, said the report, the first by the European Union
    > (news - web sites) body on the impact of global warming on Europe.
    > "Projections show that by 2080 cold winters could disappear almost
    > entirely and hot summers, droughts and incidents of heavy rain or hail
    > could become much more frequent," the report said.
    > Climate changes are likely to increase the frequency of floods and
    > droughts like those that hit Europe in the past years, damaging
    > agriculture and making plant species extinct, the Copenhagen-based EEA
    > concluded.
    > The floods that swept through 11 European countries in 2001 killed
    > about 80 people, while last year's heat wave in western and southern
    > Europe claimed the lives of more than 20,000.
    > GREENHOUSE GASES
    > The EEA findings echo those published last week by U.S. climate
    > researchers who predicted that heat waves might become more common as
    > global warming heats the earth and said regions already prone to heat,
    > such as the U.S. Midwest and Europe's Mediterranean area, could suffer
    > even more.
    > The concentration of carbon dioxide, one of the heat-trapping
    > greenhouse gases blamed for global warming, in the lower atmosphere is
    > now at its highest level for at least 420,000 years and stands 34
    > percent above its level before the Industrial Revolution, the EEA
    > report said.
    > According to the agency's study, temperatures in Europe have risen by
    > an average of 1.7 degrees Fahrenheit over the past 100 years and are
    > projected to climb by a further 3.6 to 11.3 degrees this century due
    > to the rise in greenhouse gases emissions.
    > This compared to a global rise in temperatures of 0.36 to 1.26 degrees
    > in the past century and a forecast of another rise of 2.52 to 10.4
    > degrees this century, said the report.
    > The researchers said glaciers in eight of Europe's nine glacial
    > regions were at their lowest levels in terms of area and mass in 5,000
    > years.
    > They forecast that sea levels in Europe would rise at a pace more than
    > two-to-four times faster than the rise seen in the last century -- a
    > threat to low-lying countries such as the Netherlands, where half the
    > population lives below sea level.

I'm so worried about what's happening today,
In the Middle East, you know.
And I'm so worried about the baggage retrieval
System they've got at Heathrow.
I'm so worried about the fashions today,
I don't think they're good for your feet.
And I'm so worried about the shows on TV
That sometimes they want to repeat.
I'm so worried about what's happening today,
In the Middle East, you know.
And I'm so worried about the baggage retrieval
System they've got at Heathrow.
I'm so worried about my hair falling out,
And the state of the world today.
And I'm so worried about being so full of doubt
About everything anyway.
I'm so worried about modern technology,
I'm so worried about all the things
That they dump in the sea.
I'm so worried about it, worried about it,
Worried, worried, worried.
I'm so worried about everything that can go wrong.
I'm so worried about whether people like this song.
I'm so worried about this very next verse,
It isn't the best that I've got.
And I'm so worried about whether I should go on
Or whether I shouldn't just stop.
I'm so worried about whether I ought to have stopped.
And I'm so worried because it's the sort of thing I ought to know.
And I'm so worried about the baggage retrieval
System they've got at Heathrow.
I'm so worried about whether I should have stopped then,
I'm so worried that I'm driving everyone round the bend.
And I'm so worried about the baggage retrieval
System they've got at Heathrow.

Charles Hawtrey

"D.A.L." <[email protected]> climbed onto an orange crate and
shouted:

    >> Volcanic eruptions don't cause ice ages.
    >Are you sure? Taken from
    >http://www.atmos.washington.edu/1998...ct2/group4.htm

Yes, I'm sure. Cooling from an individual volcanic eruption can be
substantial, but is a transient event (a few years). Ice ages last
for 10's of thousands of years. To the extent that such changes are
deterministic, they are governed by changes in solar radiation
reaching the earth due to long-term variations in the Earth's orbit
and rotation. For details google "Milankovich".

Note that in the article you cited on the Toba eruption, one of the
eruptions coincided with the beginning of an ice age and another
coincided with the end of an ice age -- not exactly decisive.



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The Reids

Following up to Jipsey

    >The floods that swept through 11 European countries in 2001 killed
    >about 80 people, while last year's heat wave in western and southern
    >Europe claimed the lives of more than 20,000.

I was amazed the flash flood in Boscastle didn't kill anyone
having watched cars tumbling down the main street into the sea.
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"The Reids" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > I was amazed the flash flood in Boscastle didn't kill anyone
    > having watched cars tumbling down the main street into the sea.

I'm amazed that some of the people were there because they had gone down to
watch the waters rising in the river.

Colin Bignell