European trains
Feb 5th 2003, 1:50 pm
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Re: European trains
In article writes:
> Dik T. Winter wrote:
...
> > Yup, Greg Bushenk was wrong. In the Netherlands there is nearly no
> > train with compartments. And if there are there are only very few.
> > This is for national trains. The situation is a bit different with
> > international trains.
...
> But since last year there are more compartment cars used by NS, with
> the addition of the refurbished DB railcars.
Indeed, I had forgotten about the refurbished DB coaches that were
introduced as a temporary solution. But they do not run in local
trains, but in long distance trains. Local trains are either run
by trainsets or sets in push-pull formation, and none of them have
compartments (or very few).
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> Dik T. Winter wrote:
...
> > Yup, Greg Bushenk was wrong. In the Netherlands there is nearly no
> > train with compartments. And if there are there are only very few.
> > This is for national trains. The situation is a bit different with
> > international trains.
...
> But since last year there are more compartment cars used by NS, with
> the addition of the refurbished DB railcars.
Indeed, I had forgotten about the refurbished DB coaches that were
introduced as a temporary solution. But they do not run in local
trains, but in long distance trains. Local trains are either run
by trainsets or sets in push-pull formation, and none of them have
compartments (or very few).
--
dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj amsterdam, nederland, +31205924131
home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/
Feb 5th 2003, 1:52 pm
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Re: European trains
In article [email protected] (Rian van der Borgt) writes:
> On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 21:03:52 +0100, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
> >greg byshenk schrieb:
...
> >>Except for the refurbished DB railcars.
> >
> >What about ex-SNCF cars?
>
> Some of them are still being used by NS, but they will be returned to
> the NMBS after the Summer.
Eh? The ex-SNCB cars will be returned to NMBS, as far as I know there
are no ex-SNCF cars used by NS. (And the ex-SNCB cars were not really
ex-SNCB; they were hired, but remained property of the SNCB.)
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> On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 21:03:52 +0100, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
> >greg byshenk schrieb:
...
> >>Except for the refurbished DB railcars.
> >
> >What about ex-SNCF cars?
>
> Some of them are still being used by NS, but they will be returned to
> the NMBS after the Summer.
Eh? The ex-SNCB cars will be returned to NMBS, as far as I know there
are no ex-SNCF cars used by NS. (And the ex-SNCB cars were not really
ex-SNCB; they were hired, but remained property of the SNCB.)
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home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/
Feb 5th 2003, 3:00 pm
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Re: European trains
On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 02:52:55 GMT, Dik T. Winter wrote:
>In article [email protected] (Rian van der Borgt) writes:
>>On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 21:03:52 +0100, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
>>>greg byshenk schrieb:
>>>>Except for the refurbished DB railcars.
>>>What about ex-SNCF cars?
>>Some of them are still being used by NS, but they will be returned to
>>the NMBS after the Summer.
>Eh? The ex-SNCB cars will be returned to NMBS, as far as I know there
>are no ex-SNCF cars used by NS. (And the ex-SNCB cars were not really
>ex-SNCB; they were hired, but remained property of the SNCB.)
The K4 cars are hired from NMBS/SNCB, who bought them from SNCF. Isn't
that ex-SNCF?
Regards,
Rian
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>In article [email protected] (Rian van der Borgt) writes:
>>On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 21:03:52 +0100, Ulf Kutzner wrote:
>>>greg byshenk schrieb:
>>>>Except for the refurbished DB railcars.
>>>What about ex-SNCF cars?
>>Some of them are still being used by NS, but they will be returned to
>>the NMBS after the Summer.
>Eh? The ex-SNCB cars will be returned to NMBS, as far as I know there
>are no ex-SNCF cars used by NS. (And the ex-SNCB cars were not really
>ex-SNCB; they were hired, but remained property of the SNCB.)
The K4 cars are hired from NMBS/SNCB, who bought them from SNCF. Isn't
that ex-SNCF?
Regards,
Rian
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Feb 6th 2003, 12:15 am
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Re: NS compartment cars (was: European trains)
Rian van der Borgt schreef in artikel
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> On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 07:47:15 GMT, tobias b koehler wrote:
> >Thinking about the NS, they do have some compartment cars: The
> >ex-DB Avmz 111 and Bm 235, classic German Intercity cars
> >acquired second hand. The Avmz 111 used to be used in night
> >trains, what's happening with them now that NS International
> >doesn't have any more international night trains? Given to NS
> >Reizigers?
> >The Bm 235 were modernized as "ICK" cars, some of
> >them converted to first class - where do they operate?
>
> Den Haag - Heerlen and Den Haag - Venlo.
Yes, and also Haarlem - Maastricht and Haarlem - Eindhoven.
Regards,
David
...
> On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 07:47:15 GMT, tobias b koehler wrote:
> >Thinking about the NS, they do have some compartment cars: The
> >ex-DB Avmz 111 and Bm 235, classic German Intercity cars
> >acquired second hand. The Avmz 111 used to be used in night
> >trains, what's happening with them now that NS International
> >doesn't have any more international night trains? Given to NS
> >Reizigers?
> >The Bm 235 were modernized as "ICK" cars, some of
> >them converted to first class - where do they operate?
>
> Den Haag - Heerlen and Den Haag - Venlo.
Yes, and also Haarlem - Maastricht and Haarlem - Eindhoven.
Regards,
David
Feb 6th 2003, 12:18 am
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Re: European trains
Rian van der Borgt schreef in artikel
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> On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 22:50:08 GMT, tobias b koehler wrote:
> >Ulf Kutzner wrote about NS cars:
> >
> >>What about ex-SNCF cars?
> >
> >If you mean these here
> >
>http://www.lsmodels.com/LS/Pages_F/P...lication_unive
rsel_F/Voitures%20USI_F.htm
> >
> >(scroll down to the end)
> >
> >they don't have compartments.
>
> NS rented 2 K4 2nd class subtypes. One of them is a bit higher than the
> other and has compartments.
Nowadays there are only few K4 cars in the Netherlands, most of them have
already been returned to NMBS. AFAIK there are no cars with compartments
anymore in use by NS, but I could be wrong.
Regards,
David
...
> On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 22:50:08 GMT, tobias b koehler wrote:
> >Ulf Kutzner wrote about NS cars:
> >
> >>What about ex-SNCF cars?
> >
> >If you mean these here
> >
>http://www.lsmodels.com/LS/Pages_F/P...lication_unive
rsel_F/Voitures%20USI_F.htm
> >
> >(scroll down to the end)
> >
> >they don't have compartments.
>
> NS rented 2 K4 2nd class subtypes. One of them is a bit higher than the
> other and has compartments.
Nowadays there are only few K4 cars in the Netherlands, most of them have
already been returned to NMBS. AFAIK there are no cars with compartments
anymore in use by NS, but I could be wrong.
Regards,
David
Feb 20th 2003, 7:23 pm
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Re: NS compartment cars
Rian van der Borgt wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 07:47:15 GMT, tobias b koehler wrote:
> >Thinking about the NS, they do have some compartment cars: The
> >ex-DB Avmz 111 and Bm 235, classic German Intercity cars
> >acquired second hand. The Avmz 111 used to be used in night
> >trains, what's happening with them now that NS International
> >doesn't have any more international night trains? Given to NS
> >Reizigers?
>
> There are reports of them being used for a replacement train when the
> ICE fails... or when Frankfurt sent a mono-system ICE3, which of course
> can't go any further than Emmerich.
>
Indeed a set of Avmz is used as a replacement train for the ICE at the
moment. Unfortunately the availabilty of the ICE-sets is dreadful at the
moment.
About the Avmz cars, I have heard that they have been sold to an
operator who specializes in pilgrimage trains to Lourdes.
iMark
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> On Wed, 05 Feb 2003 07:47:15 GMT, tobias b koehler wrote:
> >Thinking about the NS, they do have some compartment cars: The
> >ex-DB Avmz 111 and Bm 235, classic German Intercity cars
> >acquired second hand. The Avmz 111 used to be used in night
> >trains, what's happening with them now that NS International
> >doesn't have any more international night trains? Given to NS
> >Reizigers?
>
> There are reports of them being used for a replacement train when the
> ICE fails... or when Frankfurt sent a mono-system ICE3, which of course
> can't go any further than Emmerich.
>
Indeed a set of Avmz is used as a replacement train for the ICE at the
moment. Unfortunately the availabilty of the ICE-sets is dreadful at the
moment.
About the Avmz cars, I have heard that they have been sold to an
operator who specializes in pilgrimage trains to Lourdes.
iMark
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"There's no money back garantuee on future happiness"
(Elvis Costello)
