European Healthcare
Jul 18th 2004, 11:20 am
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European Healthcare
In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
Europe?
My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
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Europe?
My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
123
Jul 18th 2004, 12:03 pm
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Re: European Healthcare
On 18 Jul 2004 16:20:28 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (VacuumHead)
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
... Europe?
... My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
... healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
... from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
Stay home.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
... Europe?
... My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
... healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
... from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
Stay home.
Jul 18th 2004, 1:53 pm
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VacuumHead <[email protected]> wrote:
> In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
> Europe?
> My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
> healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
> from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
When my daughter got sick in Munich she had excellent healthcare, including
surgery, and at a cost far less than it would have been in the US>
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> In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
> Europe?
> My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
> healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
> from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
When my daughter got sick in Munich she had excellent healthcare, including
surgery, and at a cost far less than it would have been in the US>
--
Julie
**********
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Jul 18th 2004, 7:48 pm
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Re: European Healthcare
"VacuumHead" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
> Europe?
Which country? It varies.
In the UK, you get excellent free treatment for acute problems. Chronic
problems can have long waiting lists for free treatment in a National Health
Service hospital, although that varies around the country. However, if you
belong to a medical insurance scheme, or have the cash, you can avoid the
waiting lists by going to a private hospital. You will probably see the same
consultant as you would in the NHS hospital and some treatments, such as MRI
scans, will even be carried out in the local NHS hospital. You also need to
go private for treatments that are not considered essential, such as, except
in extreme cases, controlling snoring or laser eye surgery to correct
vision. Britons who have experienced the French health service rate it as
much superior to the British NHS in terms of doctor availability and speed
of treatment.
Colin Bignell
news:[email protected]...
> In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
> Europe?
Which country? It varies.
In the UK, you get excellent free treatment for acute problems. Chronic
problems can have long waiting lists for free treatment in a National Health
Service hospital, although that varies around the country. However, if you
belong to a medical insurance scheme, or have the cash, you can avoid the
waiting lists by going to a private hospital. You will probably see the same
consultant as you would in the NHS hospital and some treatments, such as MRI
scans, will even be carried out in the local NHS hospital. You also need to
go private for treatments that are not considered essential, such as, except
in extreme cases, controlling snoring or laser eye surgery to correct
vision. Britons who have experienced the French health service rate it as
much superior to the British NHS in terms of doctor availability and speed
of treatment.
Colin Bignell
Jul 18th 2004, 9:13 pm
#5
Re: European Healthcare
Juliana L Holm wrote:
> VacuumHead <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
>>Europe?
>>My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
>>healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
>>from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
>
>
> When my daughter got sick in Munich she had excellent healthcare, including
> surgery, and at a cost far less than it would have been in the US>
At a far less cost? Or at a far less price? Don't confuse those two things...
Krist
> VacuumHead <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
>>Europe?
>>My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
>>healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
>>from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
>
>
> When my daughter got sick in Munich she had excellent healthcare, including
> surgery, and at a cost far less than it would have been in the US>
At a far less cost? Or at a far less price? Don't confuse those two things...
Krist
Jul 18th 2004, 11:13 pm
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"/<rist" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Juliana L Holm wrote:
>> VacuumHead <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
>>>Europe?
>>>My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
>>>healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
>>>from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
>>
>>
>> When my daughter got sick in Munich she had excellent healthcare, including
>> surgery, and at a cost far less than it would have been in the US>
> At a far less cost? Or at a far less price? Don't confuse those two things...
At a far lower cost to me.
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> Juliana L Holm wrote:
>> VacuumHead <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
>>>Europe?
>>>My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
>>>healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
>>>from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
>>
>>
>> When my daughter got sick in Munich she had excellent healthcare, including
>> surgery, and at a cost far less than it would have been in the US>
> At a far less cost? Or at a far less price? Don't confuse those two things...
At a far lower cost to me.
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Jul 18th 2004, 11:15 pm
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European Healthcare
Dans l'article <[email protected] >,
[email protected] (VacuumHead) a écrit :
> In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
> Europe?
> My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
> healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
> from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
> 123
A close friend of ours, a professor who comes here each summer to do his
research, was found unconscious in the mens' room of a library. He was
rushed to the nearest hospital, where it was determined that he had a
perforated ulcer. He had an emergency operation, followed by three weeks in
the hospital. He received excellent care, and recovered completely.
I myself, originally from California, who now lives in Paris, had cataract
surgery this spring. The two operations, performed here by a French
surgeon, were a great success. I see a lot better than I did before. I can
actually read without glasses now!
Donna Evleth
[email protected] (VacuumHead) a écrit :
> In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
> Europe?
> My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
> healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
> from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
> 123
A close friend of ours, a professor who comes here each summer to do his
research, was found unconscious in the mens' room of a library. He was
rushed to the nearest hospital, where it was determined that he had a
perforated ulcer. He had an emergency operation, followed by three weeks in
the hospital. He received excellent care, and recovered completely.
I myself, originally from California, who now lives in Paris, had cataract
surgery this spring. The two operations, performed here by a French
surgeon, were a great success. I see a lot better than I did before. I can
actually read without glasses now!
Donna Evleth
Jul 18th 2004, 11:42 pm
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Re: European Healthcare
Juliana L Holm wrote:
> "/<rist" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Juliana L Holm wrote:
>>>VacuumHead <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
>>>>Europe?
>>>>My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
>>>>healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
>>>>from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
>>>When my daughter got sick in Munich she had excellent healthcare, including
>>>surgery, and at a cost far less than it would have been in the US>
>
>
>>At a far less cost? Or at a far less price? Don't confuse those two things...
>
>
> At a far lower cost to me.
The cost to you is the price. Which may or may not cover the _complete_ cost.
If you want to compare health care systems in countries, the complete cost is
relevant, not just the part which is directly billed, as this varies a lot
from country to country...
Krist
> "/<rist" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Juliana L Holm wrote:
>>>VacuumHead <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
>>>>Europe?
>>>>My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
>>>>healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
>>>>from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
>>>When my daughter got sick in Munich she had excellent healthcare, including
>>>surgery, and at a cost far less than it would have been in the US>
>
>
>>At a far less cost? Or at a far less price? Don't confuse those two things...
>
>
> At a far lower cost to me.
The cost to you is the price. Which may or may not cover the _complete_ cost.
If you want to compare health care systems in countries, the complete cost is
relevant, not just the part which is directly billed, as this varies a lot
from country to country...
Krist
Jul 18th 2004, 11:57 pm
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Re: European Healthcare
"/<rist" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
>>>>>Europe?
>>>>>My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
>>>>>healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
>>>>>from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
>>>>When my daughter got sick in Munich she had excellent healthcare, including
>>>>surgery, and at a cost far less than it would have been in the US>
>>
>>
>>>At a far less cost? Or at a far less price? Don't confuse those two things...
>>
>>
>> At a far lower cost to me.
> The cost to you is the price. Which may or may not cover the _complete_ cost.
> If you want to compare health care systems in countries, the complete cost is
> relevant, not just the part which is directly billed, as this varies a lot
> from country to country...
The question was about quality. The price was a secondary (but welcome thing).
My daughter got excellent care, including surgery, and recovered nicely, when
she became ill in Germany.
Julie
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>>>>>In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
>>>>>Europe?
>>>>>My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
>>>>>healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
>>>>>from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
>>>>When my daughter got sick in Munich she had excellent healthcare, including
>>>>surgery, and at a cost far less than it would have been in the US>
>>
>>
>>>At a far less cost? Or at a far less price? Don't confuse those two things...
>>
>>
>> At a far lower cost to me.
> The cost to you is the price. Which may or may not cover the _complete_ cost.
> If you want to compare health care systems in countries, the complete cost is
> relevant, not just the part which is directly billed, as this varies a lot
> from country to country...
The question was about quality. The price was a secondary (but welcome thing).
My daughter got excellent care, including surgery, and recovered nicely, when
she became ill in Germany.
Julie
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Jul 18th 2004, 11:57 pm
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Re: European Healthcare
VacuumHead <[email protected]> wrote:
> My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
> healthcare must be better and more available.
If your American family has never been abroad, how do they know?
--
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
> My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
> healthcare must be better and more available.
If your American family has never been abroad, how do they know?
--
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
Jul 19th 2004, 12:01 am
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Luca Logi wrote:
> VacuumHead <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
>>healthcare must be better and more available.
>
>
> If your American family has never been abroad, how do they know?
>
Fox News.
Nils
> VacuumHead <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
>>healthcare must be better and more available.
>
>
> If your American family has never been abroad, how do they know?
>
Fox News.
Nils
Jul 19th 2004, 12:26 am
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Following up to VacuumHead
>In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
>Europe?
the advantage of European healthcare (which isn't a single
system) is that its generally available free at point of delivery
on the basis of need rather than pocket. For a visiting american
health insurance is the way to go. However, If you are old, broke
and ill you will see the great advantages of our systems :-)
>My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
>healthcare must be better and more available.
I bet they say God bless America a lot :-)
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>In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
>Europe?
the advantage of European healthcare (which isn't a single
system) is that its generally available free at point of delivery
on the basis of need rather than pocket. For a visiting american
health insurance is the way to go. However, If you are old, broke
and ill you will see the great advantages of our systems :-)
>My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
>healthcare must be better and more available.
I bet they say God bless America a lot :-)
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Jul 19th 2004, 12:47 am
#13
Re: European Healthcare
Juliana L Holm wrote:
> "/<rist" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>>>>In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
>>>>>>Europe?
>>>>>>My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
>>>>>>healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
>>>>>>from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
>>>>>When my daughter got sick in Munich she had excellent healthcare, including
>>>>>surgery, and at a cost far less than it would have been in the US>
>>>>At a far less cost? Or at a far less price? Don't confuse those two things...
>>>At a far lower cost to me.
>
>
>>The cost to you is the price. Which may or may not cover the _complete_ cost.
>>If you want to compare health care systems in countries, the complete cost is
>>relevant, not just the part which is directly billed, as this varies a lot
>>from country to country...
>
>
> The question was about quality. The price was a secondary (but welcome thing).
Sure the low price was welcome. I would welcome it too :-)
> My daughter got excellent care, including surgery, and recovered nicely, when
> she became ill in Germany.
Good she recovered. Execellent healthcare is aparently no problem to be had on
both sides of the Atlantic...
Krist
> "/<rist" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>>>>In general, how is the quality and availability of healthcare in
>>>>>>Europe?
>>>>>>My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
>>>>>>healthcare must be better and more available. I've heard the opposite
>>>>>>from actual Europeans and Yanks who went abroad.
>>>>>When my daughter got sick in Munich she had excellent healthcare, including
>>>>>surgery, and at a cost far less than it would have been in the US>
>>>>At a far less cost? Or at a far less price? Don't confuse those two things...
>>>At a far lower cost to me.
>
>
>>The cost to you is the price. Which may or may not cover the _complete_ cost.
>>If you want to compare health care systems in countries, the complete cost is
>>relevant, not just the part which is directly billed, as this varies a lot
>>from country to country...
>
>
> The question was about quality. The price was a secondary (but welcome thing).
Sure the low price was welcome. I would welcome it too :-)
> My daughter got excellent care, including surgery, and recovered nicely, when
> she became ill in Germany.
Good she recovered. Execellent healthcare is aparently no problem to be had on
both sides of the Atlantic...
Krist
Jul 19th 2004, 12:54 am
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Re: European Healthcare
"/<rist" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> The question was about quality. The price was a secondary (but welcome thing).
> Sure the low price was welcome. I would welcome it too :-)
>> My daughter got excellent care, including surgery, and recovered nicely, when
>> she became ill in Germany.
> Good she recovered. Execellent healthcare is aparently no problem to be had on
> both sides of the Atlantic...
The hardest part was finding out one morning that your kid, a quarter of the
world away, is seriously ill and will have surgery before you are able to
see her. . . .
I was glad that the first thing she saw after sleeping the night after her
surgery was me.
She was 16, and on a trip to Our Chalet with her girl Scout troop.
Julie
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>>
>> The question was about quality. The price was a secondary (but welcome thing).
> Sure the low price was welcome. I would welcome it too :-)
>> My daughter got excellent care, including surgery, and recovered nicely, when
>> she became ill in Germany.
> Good she recovered. Execellent healthcare is aparently no problem to be had on
> both sides of the Atlantic...
The hardest part was finding out one morning that your kid, a quarter of the
world away, is seriously ill and will have surgery before you are able to
see her. . . .
I was glad that the first thing she saw after sleeping the night after her
surgery was me.
She was 16, and on a trip to Our Chalet with her girl Scout troop.
Julie
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**********
Check out my Travel Pages (non-commercial) at
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Jul 19th 2004, 1:06 am
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Re: European Healthcare
"Luca Logi" <[email protected]> schrieb:
> > My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
> > healthcare must be better and more available.
> If your American family has never been abroad, how do they know?
Because they insist. Its a must.
> > My American family, none of them have been abroad, insist American
> > healthcare must be better and more available.
> If your American family has never been abroad, how do they know?
Because they insist. Its a must.
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