Europe viewed by Americans
Aug 15th 2003, 1:44 am
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Re: Europe viewed by Americans
On 14 Aug 2003 22:10:41 -0700, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Marcus
Andersson) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... How nice. My employer is doing something illegal then, since he's
... buying my body for money. I guess I should go to court and prosecute
... him for paying me to work for him?
Your body ??
My employer pays me "only" for the time and the knowledge I put into my work...
Andersson) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... How nice. My employer is doing something illegal then, since he's
... buying my body for money. I guess I should go to court and prosecute
... him for paying me to work for him?
Your body ??
My employer pays me "only" for the time and the knowledge I put into my work...
Aug 15th 2003, 1:48 am
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Re: Europe viewed by Americans
> >> The USA has been a prudish religious nation since its beginning.
> >> Europe has legal, or practically legal, prostitution everywhere.
> > Is that an advantage?
> It refutes the "Europe is unfree, America is free" blah. Both sides
> merely choose to "regulate" different things. Which ones you prefer
> is a matter of taste. The OP's emphasis was mostly on freedom in
> making money ..
Yes, that was my point. Prostitution has been around since the
very beginning because men want it and women will supply it.
Most Americans think they are free simply because they have
not wanted to exercise prohibited rights. Americans who desire
to ingest marijuana or other drugs, use the services of a hooker,
or even to take large amounts of money out of the country - yes
boys & girls, try doing that legally and you will be surprised - will
discover that freedom is a relative thing. Americans should not
compare their freedoms to Europe, they should compare them to
anywhere in Africa, Cuba, or some places in Asia. Americans
are definitely more free than people in those areas.
Casey
> >> Europe has legal, or practically legal, prostitution everywhere.
> > Is that an advantage?
> It refutes the "Europe is unfree, America is free" blah. Both sides
> merely choose to "regulate" different things. Which ones you prefer
> is a matter of taste. The OP's emphasis was mostly on freedom in
> making money ..
Yes, that was my point. Prostitution has been around since the
very beginning because men want it and women will supply it.
Most Americans think they are free simply because they have
not wanted to exercise prohibited rights. Americans who desire
to ingest marijuana or other drugs, use the services of a hooker,
or even to take large amounts of money out of the country - yes
boys & girls, try doing that legally and you will be surprised - will
discover that freedom is a relative thing. Americans should not
compare their freedoms to Europe, they should compare them to
anywhere in Africa, Cuba, or some places in Asia. Americans
are definitely more free than people in those areas.
Casey
Aug 15th 2003, 2:02 am
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Re: Europe viewed by Americans
> How nice. My employer is doing something illegal then, since
> he's buying my body for money. I guess I should go to court
> and prosecute him for paying me to work for him?
> Your body ??
> My employer pays me "only" for the time and the knowledge
> I put into my work...
If you are talking about an hourly job, then your employer is only
paying for time. But for salaried positions, you are being paid for
something closer to your being able to finish a particular task.
Everyone is using the wrong term. Prostitutes do not sell their
body, they rent it out. In the same sense, all employees do the
same. If Magda's employer demands that employees look a
certain way - business suit or uniform, presentable appearance -
then they are demanding more than Magda is admitting.
Casey
> he's buying my body for money. I guess I should go to court
> and prosecute him for paying me to work for him?
> Your body ??
> My employer pays me "only" for the time and the knowledge
> I put into my work...
If you are talking about an hourly job, then your employer is only
paying for time. But for salaried positions, you are being paid for
something closer to your being able to finish a particular task.
Everyone is using the wrong term. Prostitutes do not sell their
body, they rent it out. In the same sense, all employees do the
same. If Magda's employer demands that employees look a
certain way - business suit or uniform, presentable appearance -
then they are demanding more than Magda is admitting.
Casey
Aug 15th 2003, 2:28 am
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Re: Europe viewed by Americans
"Casey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > >> The USA has been a prudish religious nation since its beginning.
> > >> Europe has legal, or practically legal, prostitution everywhere.
> > > Is that an advantage?
> > It refutes the "Europe is unfree, America is free" blah. Both sides
> > merely choose to "regulate" different things. Which ones you prefer
> > is a matter of taste. The OP's emphasis was mostly on freedom in
> > making money ..
> Yes, that was my point. Prostitution has been around since the
> very beginning because men want it and women will supply it.
> Most Americans think they are free simply because they have
> not wanted to exercise prohibited rights. Americans who desire
> to ingest marijuana or other drugs, use the services of a hooker,
> or even to take large amounts of money out of the country - yes
> boys & girls, try doing that legally and you will be surprised - will
> discover that freedom is a relative thing. Americans should not
> compare their freedoms to Europe, they should compare them to
> anywhere in Africa, Cuba, or some places in Asia. Americans
> are definitely more free than people in those areas.
Its rather silly to discuss such things in terms of America
when each of the 50 states has its own laws to regulate them.
I know of at least one state in which its perfectly legal
to own or use a brothel and it is in fact perfectly OK
The regulations regarding currency export from the USA are
rather simple. There are no restrictions, except that you
have to declare US customs any money or other monetary
instruments exceeding USD 10000.
The laws regarding possession of marijuana vary just
as widely in the USA as they do in Europe.
In Ohio if you have less than 100 grams its not an arrestable
offence , they issue a civil citation, like a traffic ticket that
will cost up to $100 and as its not considered a criminal
offense you dont get a record
The same amount would put you awat for 20 years in Montana
Keith
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> > >> The USA has been a prudish religious nation since its beginning.
> > >> Europe has legal, or practically legal, prostitution everywhere.
> > > Is that an advantage?
> > It refutes the "Europe is unfree, America is free" blah. Both sides
> > merely choose to "regulate" different things. Which ones you prefer
> > is a matter of taste. The OP's emphasis was mostly on freedom in
> > making money ..
> Yes, that was my point. Prostitution has been around since the
> very beginning because men want it and women will supply it.
> Most Americans think they are free simply because they have
> not wanted to exercise prohibited rights. Americans who desire
> to ingest marijuana or other drugs, use the services of a hooker,
> or even to take large amounts of money out of the country - yes
> boys & girls, try doing that legally and you will be surprised - will
> discover that freedom is a relative thing. Americans should not
> compare their freedoms to Europe, they should compare them to
> anywhere in Africa, Cuba, or some places in Asia. Americans
> are definitely more free than people in those areas.
Its rather silly to discuss such things in terms of America
when each of the 50 states has its own laws to regulate them.
I know of at least one state in which its perfectly legal
to own or use a brothel and it is in fact perfectly OK
The regulations regarding currency export from the USA are
rather simple. There are no restrictions, except that you
have to declare US customs any money or other monetary
instruments exceeding USD 10000.
The laws regarding possession of marijuana vary just
as widely in the USA as they do in Europe.
In Ohio if you have less than 100 grams its not an arrestable
offence , they issue a civil citation, like a traffic ticket that
will cost up to $100 and as its not considered a criminal
offense you dont get a record
The same amount would put you awat for 20 years in Montana
Keith
Aug 15th 2003, 2:37 am
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Re: Europe viewed by Americans
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:28:05 GMT, Keith Willshaw wrote
-snip re: American approaches to things-
> Its rather silly to discuss such things in terms of America
> when each of the 50 states has its own laws to regulate them.
True, but it was the American writer of the original quoted article who
started the ball rolling by framing things in terms of "American" and
"European" approaches to freedom.
If it's silly to discuss such things in terms of "America" -- because
of the complexity of state laws -- it's patently as dumb to discuss
such things in terms of "Europe".
--
Cheers, Harvey
Ottawa/Toronto/Edmonton for 30 years;
Southern England for the past 21 years.
(for e-mail, change harvey to whhvs)
-snip re: American approaches to things-
> Its rather silly to discuss such things in terms of America
> when each of the 50 states has its own laws to regulate them.
True, but it was the American writer of the original quoted article who
started the ball rolling by framing things in terms of "American" and
"European" approaches to freedom.
If it's silly to discuss such things in terms of "America" -- because
of the complexity of state laws -- it's patently as dumb to discuss
such things in terms of "Europe".
--
Cheers, Harvey
Ottawa/Toronto/Edmonton for 30 years;
Southern England for the past 21 years.
(for e-mail, change harvey to whhvs)
Aug 15th 2003, 2:39 am
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Re: Europe viewed by Americans
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:02:10 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Casey" <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... > How nice. My employer is doing something illegal then, since
... > he's buying my body for money. I guess I should go to court
... > and prosecute him for paying me to work for him?
... >
... > Your body ??
... > My employer pays me "only" for the time and the knowledge
... > I put into my work...
...
... If you are talking about an hourly job, then your employer is only
... paying for time. But for salaried positions, you are being paid for
... something closer to your being able to finish a particular task.
...
... Everyone is using the wrong term. Prostitutes do not sell their
... body, they rent it out. In the same sense, all employees do the
... same. If Magda's employer demands that employees look a
... certain way - business suit or uniform, presentable appearance -
... then they are demanding more than Magda is admitting.
No one asked me to go to work in jeans and t-shirt - but that's what I do.
Happy now ?
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... > How nice. My employer is doing something illegal then, since
... > he's buying my body for money. I guess I should go to court
... > and prosecute him for paying me to work for him?
... >
... > Your body ??
... > My employer pays me "only" for the time and the knowledge
... > I put into my work...
...
... If you are talking about an hourly job, then your employer is only
... paying for time. But for salaried positions, you are being paid for
... something closer to your being able to finish a particular task.
...
... Everyone is using the wrong term. Prostitutes do not sell their
... body, they rent it out. In the same sense, all employees do the
... same. If Magda's employer demands that employees look a
... certain way - business suit or uniform, presentable appearance -
... then they are demanding more than Magda is admitting.
No one asked me to go to work in jeans and t-shirt - but that's what I do.
Happy now ?
Aug 15th 2003, 2:52 am
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:28:52 -0400, jb wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:15:57 GMT, "Casey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Europe has legal, or practically legal, prostitution everywhere.
>
> Well, hooray for Europe. That is supposed to be some kind of honor?
Eh, free market at work. You know, Sam Adams' invisible hand at work etc.
(OK, not Sam... Still Adams.)
What else do you want? Trying to have it both ways, or what?
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:15:57 GMT, "Casey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Europe has legal, or practically legal, prostitution everywhere.
>
> Well, hooray for Europe. That is supposed to be some kind of honor?
Eh, free market at work. You know, Sam Adams' invisible hand at work etc.
(OK, not Sam... Still Adams.)
What else do you want? Trying to have it both ways, or what?
Aug 15th 2003, 2:54 am
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"Harvey Van Sickle" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:28:05 GMT, Keith Willshaw wrote
> -snip re: American approaches to things-
> > Its rather silly to discuss such things in terms of America
> > when each of the 50 states has its own laws to regulate them.
> True, but it was the American writer of the original quoted article who
> started the ball rolling by framing things in terms of "American" and
> "European" approaches to freedom.
> If it's silly to discuss such things in terms of "America" -- because
> of the complexity of state laws -- it's patently as dumb to discuss
> such things in terms of "Europe".
Just so
Keith
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 14:28:05 GMT, Keith Willshaw wrote
> -snip re: American approaches to things-
> > Its rather silly to discuss such things in terms of America
> > when each of the 50 states has its own laws to regulate them.
> True, but it was the American writer of the original quoted article who
> started the ball rolling by framing things in terms of "American" and
> "European" approaches to freedom.
> If it's silly to discuss such things in terms of "America" -- because
> of the complexity of state laws -- it's patently as dumb to discuss
> such things in terms of "Europe".
Just so
Keith
Aug 15th 2003, 2:54 am
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Re: Europe viewed by Americans
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:06:49 +0200, Mediteraneum Nostrum wrote:
> Can't this moron just accept a fact that it is not a dream of every
> person in Europe to be a rich moron like Bush?
But it's not necessarily like that on this side of the pond either though.
You should not assume that everyone has an inferiority complex. Not
everyone voted for GW, and I would not be surprised if he loses the next
election.
> Can't this moron just accept a fact that it is not a dream of every
> person in Europe to be a rich moron like Bush?
But it's not necessarily like that on this side of the pond either though.
You should not assume that everyone has an inferiority complex. Not
everyone voted for GW, and I would not be surprised if he loses the next
election.
Aug 15th 2003, 3:13 am
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"devil" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news
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> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:28:52 -0400, jb wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:15:57 GMT, "Casey" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>Europe has legal, or practically legal, prostitution everywhere.
> >
> > Well, hooray for Europe. That is supposed to be some kind of honor?
> Eh, free market at work. You know, Sam Adams' invisible hand at work etc.
> (OK, not Sam... Still Adams.)
> What else do you want? Trying to have it both ways, or what?
Adam Smith actually and he was of course a European ( a Scotsman
to be precise)
Keith
news
[email protected]...> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:28:52 -0400, jb wrote:
> > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:15:57 GMT, "Casey" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>Europe has legal, or practically legal, prostitution everywhere.
> >
> > Well, hooray for Europe. That is supposed to be some kind of honor?
> Eh, free market at work. You know, Sam Adams' invisible hand at work etc.
> (OK, not Sam... Still Adams.)
> What else do you want? Trying to have it both ways, or what?
Adam Smith actually and he was of course a European ( a Scotsman
to be precise)
Keith
Aug 15th 2003, 3:21 am
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:13:42 +0100, Keith Willshaw wrote:
>
> "devil" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:28:52 -0400, jb wrote:
>> > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:15:57 GMT, "Casey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Europe has legal, or practically legal, prostitution everywhere.
>> >
>> > Well, hooray for Europe. That is supposed to be some kind of honor?
>> Eh, free market at work. You know, Sam Adams' invisible hand at work etc.
>> (OK, not Sam... Still Adams.)
>> What else do you want? Trying to have it both ways, or what?
>
> Adam Smith actually and he was of course a European ( a Scotsman
> to be precise)
A Scot, eh? It figures...
:-)
>
> "devil" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news
[email protected]...>> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:28:52 -0400, jb wrote:
>> > On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:15:57 GMT, "Casey" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Europe has legal, or practically legal, prostitution everywhere.
>> >
>> > Well, hooray for Europe. That is supposed to be some kind of honor?
>> Eh, free market at work. You know, Sam Adams' invisible hand at work etc.
>> (OK, not Sam... Still Adams.)
>> What else do you want? Trying to have it both ways, or what?
>
> Adam Smith actually and he was of course a European ( a Scotsman
> to be precise)
A Scot, eh? It figures...
:-)
Aug 15th 2003, 4:15 am
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John Kulp <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Mediteraneum Nostrum" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Can't this moron just accept a fact that it is not a dream of every
>> person in Europe to be a rich moron like Bush?
> Not because they have no chance to in socialist Europe?
No shortage of rich people in Europe.
miguel
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> "Mediteraneum Nostrum" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Can't this moron just accept a fact that it is not a dream of every
>> person in Europe to be a rich moron like Bush?
> Not because they have no chance to in socialist Europe?
No shortage of rich people in Europe.
miguel
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Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
Aug 15th 2003, 6:11 am
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In article <[email protected]>, "eMeL"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "laurent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I just want to share a good laugh with you. Sorry sorry sorry if this
> > is off-topic for this newsgroup
>
> > August 14, 2003 -- LIFE may not be predictable, but Europeans are. If
> > Our ancestors chose a new kind of human freedom. Europeans have
> > resisted it ever since.
>
>
> The Yiddish word "schmuck" - also known to Americans - fully describes
> the author of
> this drivel.
You're being too kind to it.
--
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<[email protected]> wrote:
> "laurent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I just want to share a good laugh with you. Sorry sorry sorry if this
> > is off-topic for this newsgroup
>
> > August 14, 2003 -- LIFE may not be predictable, but Europeans are. If
> > Our ancestors chose a new kind of human freedom. Europeans have
> > resisted it ever since.
>
>
> The Yiddish word "schmuck" - also known to Americans - fully describes
> the author of
> this drivel.
You're being too kind to it.
--
Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar)
Erilar's Cave Annex:
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
Aug 15th 2003, 6:13 am
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Re: Europe viewed by Americans
In article <[email protected]>, "devil"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:06:49 +0200, Mediteraneum Nostrum wrote:
>
> > Can't this moron just accept a fact that it is not a dream of every
> > person in Europe to be a rich moron like Bush?
>
> But it's not necessarily like that on this side of the pond either though.
>
> You should not assume that everyone has an inferiority complex. Not
> everyone voted for GW, and I would not be surprised if he loses the next
> election.
>
>
>
I certainly hope so! I'm one of the majority who voted against him.
--
Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar)
Erilar's Cave Annex:
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:06:49 +0200, Mediteraneum Nostrum wrote:
>
> > Can't this moron just accept a fact that it is not a dream of every
> > person in Europe to be a rich moron like Bush?
>
> But it's not necessarily like that on this side of the pond either though.
>
> You should not assume that everyone has an inferiority complex. Not
> everyone voted for GW, and I would not be surprised if he loses the next
> election.
>
>
>
I certainly hope so! I'm one of the majority who voted against him.
--
Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar)
Erilar's Cave Annex:
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
Aug 15th 2003, 6:41 am
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Re: Europe viewed by Americans
I didn't vote for GW, and just for the record,not everyone in the US
agrees with the idiot's policies.I read an article about a French and
an American reporter attending a press conference,the French reporter
turns to the American and asks"how did this guy get to be president?".
I loved it...
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:13:07 -0500, erilar
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Not
>> everyone voted for GW, and I would not be surprised if he loses the next
>> election.
>>
>>
>>
>I certainly hope so! I'm one of the majority who voted against him.
agrees with the idiot's policies.I read an article about a French and
an American reporter attending a press conference,the French reporter
turns to the American and asks"how did this guy get to be president?".
I loved it...
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:13:07 -0500, erilar
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Not
>> everyone voted for GW, and I would not be surprised if he loses the next
>> election.
>>
>>
>>
>I certainly hope so! I'm one of the majority who voted against him.
