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Old Aug 14th 2003, 1:11 pm
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Richard
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see what I mean,, you just proved my point in your silly question,,


On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:29:36 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >Who you fathead?
 
Old Aug 14th 2003, 1:15 pm
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Richard
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hahaha..I don't like them and I LIVE HERE,,it seems as though if
anyone in this country does't bleed red white and blue you're called
"fathead" by the right..you those idiots that listen to Rush Limbaugh
and belive the U.S. is going to save the world.

On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 03:00:04 +0200, Fred Albrecht
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >And then US Americans whine because nobody likes them...
 
Old Aug 14th 2003, 3:01 pm
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ah, so you admit you funded the IRA for 30 years.

    > You mean like settling the IRA situation in Northern Ireland that was
    > done by us, or your complete failure to solve the Basque one in Spain?
    > >
 
Old Aug 14th 2003, 5:06 pm
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"laurent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > I just want to share a good laugh with you. Sorry sorry sorry if this
    > is off-topic for this newsgroup
    > August 14, 2003 -- LIFE may not be predictable, but Europeans are. If
    > we criticize them publicly, they splutter, outraged that we don't
    > recognize their perfection. They can dish it out abundantly, but
    > continental Europeans can no more take criticism than their welfare
    > armies could have taken Baghdad.

A finer collection of sterotypes on both sides one rarely sees these days.
That could have been written in 1950, 1930, 1900 or even before.

I am an American, but don't include me in the view described above. I am
not so ignorant as that.
 
Old Aug 14th 2003, 5:10 pm
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"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > "Casey" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Ralph Peters, a frequent Post contributor, is the author of
    > > > "Beyond Terror: Strategy in a Changing World."
    > >
    > > Peters is an ex-military man (West Point, I think) who turned
    > > writer. His articles are always well-written and controversial.
    > > There is some truth in the article, but he left a few things out.
    > >
    > > The USA has been a prudish religious nation since its beginning.
    > > Europe has legal, or practically legal, prostitution everywhere.
    > Is that an advantage? At least since a few years prostitution is illegal
    > in Sweden and the customer,not the seller, is the one to be prosecuted.
    > Doesn't mean the thing have disappeared but the visible street walking have
    > disappeared and it's a matter of a long term work. You shouldn't be
    > allowed to buy someone's body for money in the same way as slavery is
    > outlawed.
    > L.P


How nice. My employer is doing something illegal then, since he's
buying my body for money. I guess I should go to court and prosecute
him for paying me to work for him?
 
Old Aug 14th 2003, 6:04 pm
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"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in
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    >
    > "Casey" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> > Ralph Peters, a frequent Post contributor, is the author of
    >> > "Beyond Terror: Strategy in a Changing World."
    >> Peters is an ex-military man (West Point, I think) who turned
    >> writer. His articles are always well-written and controversial.
    >> There is some truth in the article, but he left a few things out.
    >> The USA has been a prudish religious nation since its beginning.
    >> Europe has legal, or practically legal, prostitution everywhere.
    > Is that an advantage?

It refutes the "Europe is unfree, America is free" blah. Both sides merely
choose to "regulate" different things. Which ones you prefer is a matter of
taste. The OP's emphasis was mostly on freedom in making money ..

    > At least since a few years prostitution is
    > illegal in Sweden and the customer,not the seller, is the one to be
    > prosecuted.

In Germany neither is prosecuted.

    > You shouldn't be allowed to buy someone's body for money in the same
    > way as slavery is outlawed.

Then sue your employer.

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Old Aug 14th 2003, 6:17 pm
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<[email protected]> wrote in message
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<snip>
    > You mean like settling the IRA situation in Northern Ireland that was
    > done by us,
<snip>

How true, though at least some amends were made for the years of funding of
the terrorists when your country eventually became involved in the peace
process. It would have been better however if they hadn't funded the
terrorist scum in the first place.


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Old Aug 14th 2003, 7:06 pm
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Can't this moron just accept a fact that it is not a dream of every
person in Europe to be a rich moron like Bush?
I certainly prefer a system where things like medical insurance
are considered basic unalianable human rights, a system where
me and my family can always count on a certain degree of
certainty and support. Fortunately for us this does not mean
that you cannot suceed in life more then others or that we all
live the same life. It just means that we won't let the EU become
a place where 20% of the population doesn't have medical insurance
or have a homicide rate that matches 3rd world countries.
Europe is not the one telling the world what is right and what is
wrong, it is the US. The US is the champion of "cheap" advices.
Only an idiot can say that Europe wants to stop progress by
protesting the occupation of Iraq, especially since most of
the world stands behind Europe in this matter.

The US led coalition in Iraq is a laughable group of countries,
and of the few countries on the list only the US public opinion
supported the war (not even the UK public supported it).
It's amazing that even now when it is clear the war in Iraq
is a farce, there are people who have the moral guts to tell
Europe that it wants to stop world progress.
 
Old Aug 14th 2003, 10:59 pm
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:17:34 +0100, "Trish" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    ><[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    ><snip>
    >> You mean like settling the IRA situation in Northern Ireland that was
    >> done by us,
    ><snip>
    >How true, though at least some amends were made for the years of funding of
    >the terrorists when your country eventually became involved in the peace
    >process. It would have been better however if they hadn't funded the
    >terrorist scum in the first place.

This is a typical comment from an European. The US, as a country,
NEVER funded the IRA. What was done was done by a bunch of
sympathizers (mostly from Irish Boston) which is hardly the US. This
is no more the US than a bunch of skinheads in Sweden representing
Sweden. It was, however, the US government which got the situation
settled in Northern Ireland. So why don't you get your facts straight
before posting idiot trash like this?
 
Old Aug 14th 2003, 11:17 pm
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On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 09:06:49 +0200, "Mediteraneum Nostrum"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Can't this moron just accept a fact that it is not a dream of every
    >person in Europe to be a rich moron like Bush?

Not because they have no chance to in socialist Europe? Must be why
so many young Europeans with ambition come to the US for their
opportunity, many doing quite well. You are right, however, in that
what you are left with are those with no ability to do so.

    >I certainly prefer a system where things like medical insurance
    >are considered basic unalianable human rights, a system where
    >me and my family can always count on a certain degree of
    >certainty and support.

You mean like all those years or waiting (and dying on waiting lists)
before you can get medical treatment because the system is so
underresourced that this medical support is basically fictional? Or
do you mean that your feeling for human rights here takes second place
to fixing roads, the reason that you see no potholes in Europe is that
your governments would rather spend money on them while cutting funds
to the medical system? Or do you mean the non-stop cutting of welfare
benefits that Europeans paid huge amounts of tax for? Cedrtainly and
support alright.

Fortunately for us this does not mean
    >that you cannot suceed in life more then others or that we all
    >live the same life. It just means that we won't let the EU become
    >a place where 20% of the population doesn't have medical insurance

All while any American has the right to free medical care if they go
to the emergency room of any hospital.

    >or have a homicide rate that matches 3rd world countries.

That's because those commiting these crimes, as well as a lot of
others, as in Europe COME from those 3rd countries moron.

    >Europe is not the one telling the world what is right and what is
    >wrong, it is the US.

Not even in Bosnia where it let a slaughter go on for a decade or so
while it muddled around and had candlelight vigils which has always
proven to solve problems like ruthless dictators. Probably because
you have a long proven track record of having no concept of what is
right or wrong.

The US is the champion of "cheap" advices.
    >Only an idiot can say that Europe wants to stop progress by
    >protesting the occupation of Iraq, especially since most of
    >the world stands behind Europe in this matter.

Right. That's why your slobbering countries can't wait to get their
hands on the oil and business now to be had there now that we evicted
yet another mass murderer.

    >The US led coalition in Iraq is a laughable group of countries,

That had no problem winning the war without the vaunted European
countries that opposed, which couldn't even handle Bosnia on their
own. They can, however, successfully attack Greenpeace ships in
Auckland harbor and blow them up and then threaten the NZ government
with closing them out of European markets if they don't release the
criminals (read French government) that did this. And then you
noticed how all of Europe came together to prevent the French from
doing this didn't you? Naw, too busy attacking African countries
without any UN approval, which are the only ones they can actually
defeat. Anyone who has more than fireworks will have the Europeans
cowering in their basements.

    >and of the few countries on the list only the US public opinion
    >supported the war (not even the UK public supported it).

Who cares? You didn't support war against Hitler either until he
kicked your asses. And you haven't learned a thing since either.

    >It's amazing that even now when it is clear the war in Iraq
    >is a farce, there are people who have the moral guts to tell
    >Europe that it wants to stop world progress.

Gee, 25 million people now free, oil pumping again (unfortunately to
supply these perfidious Europeans), dictator removed, etc. etc. Yeah,
what a farce alright.
 
Old Aug 15th 2003, 12:07 am
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Following up to laurent

    >For Europeans - excluding the Brits, who are more like us than they
    >sometimes find comfortable - "freedom" means freedom from things: from
    >social and economic risk, from workplace insecurity and personal
    >responsibility, from too much competition in the marketplace or too
    >much scrutiny of governing elites.
    >Socialism, a doctrine born in Europe, struck very deep roots. The
    >collective takes priority over the individual. The European social
    >contract amounts to this: We will not let the talented rise too high,
    >and we will not let the lazy fall too low. "Equality" doesn't mean
    >equal opportunities, but equal limitations.
    >For Americans, freedom means the freedom to do: To make our own way,
    >to struggle, achieve, to rise (to climb social, educational or
    >economic ladders), to move beyond our parents' lot in life and give
    >our children better chances still.

If you think Brits share the American dream your wide of the mark.
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Old Aug 15th 2003, 12:07 am
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Following up to Judith Umbria

    >A finer collection of sterotypes on both sides one rarely sees these days.
    >That could have been written in 1950, 1930, 1900 or even before.

Indeed.

    >I am an American, but don't include me in the view described above. I am
    >not so ignorant as that.

And I'm a Brit and dont think you can include me either.
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UK walking "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
(The reply-to address is a spam trap)
Spain,cuisines and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
 
Old Aug 15th 2003, 12:07 am
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Following up to Mediteraneum Nostrum

    >Can't this moron just accept a fact that it is not a dream of every
    >person in Europe to be a rich moron like Bush?

hes probably a troll.
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"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
UK walking "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
(The reply-to address is a spam trap)
Spain,cuisines and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
 
Old Aug 15th 2003, 12:20 am
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"laurent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > I just want to share a good laugh with you. Sorry sorry sorry if this
    > is off-topic for this newsgroup

    > August 14, 2003 -- LIFE may not be predictable, but Europeans are. If
    > Our ancestors chose a new kind of human freedom. Europeans have
    > resisted it ever since.


The Yiddish word "schmuck" - also known to Americans - fully describes the author of
this drivel.

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Old Aug 15th 2003, 1:04 am
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On 14 Aug 2003 22:10:41 -0700, [email protected] (Marcus
Andersson) wrote:

    >"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    >> "Casey" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    >> news:[email protected]...

    >> > The USA has been a prudish religious nation since its beginning.
    >> > Europe has legal, or practically legal, prostitution everywhere.
    >> Is that an advantage? At least since a few years prostitution is illegal
    >> in Sweden and the customer,not the seller, is the one to be prosecuted.
    >> Doesn't mean the thing have disappeared but the visible street walking have
    >> disappeared and it's a matter of a long term work. You shouldn't be
    >> allowed to buy someone's body for money in the same way as slavery is
    >> outlawed.
    >How nice. My employer is doing something illegal then, since he's
    >buying my body for money. I guess I should go to court and prosecute
    >him for paying me to work for him?

I hesitate to ask about the nature of your work...



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