Eurail Pass Information
Jun 21st 2005, 9:00 pm
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Re: Eurail Pass Information
"ALAN HARRISON" <[email protected]> writes:
> Walk up fare for an Intercity train, Milan to Desenzano, last year,
> with no discount - about 9 euros 2nd, about 13 euros 1st. Anyone
> like to guess the respective prices for a similar journey in
> Britain?
I've just got back from Italy (behold! I am on topic for once!) and
Italian trains are certainly shockingly cheap and good to an
Englishperson. (I paid about 12 EUR Genoa to La Spezia return,
presumably second class although no one mentioned first.)
Needless to say when I got back to Blighty the Stansted "Express"
neglected to go anywhere at all. (My return ticket from Bristol cost
nearly 60 UKP.)
And don't get me started on the buses...
Des
> Walk up fare for an Intercity train, Milan to Desenzano, last year,
> with no discount - about 9 euros 2nd, about 13 euros 1st. Anyone
> like to guess the respective prices for a similar journey in
> Britain?
I've just got back from Italy (behold! I am on topic for once!) and
Italian trains are certainly shockingly cheap and good to an
Englishperson. (I paid about 12 EUR Genoa to La Spezia return,
presumably second class although no one mentioned first.)
Needless to say when I got back to Blighty the Stansted "Express"
neglected to go anywhere at all. (My return ticket from Bristol cost
nearly 60 UKP.)
And don't get me started on the buses...
Des
Jun 21st 2005, 10:30 pm
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Re: Eurail Pass Information
ALAN HARRISON <[email protected]> wrote:
> "chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco"
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> > The only time I
> > used a Eurailpass, it was heavily discounted.
>
> Are you sure, David? I thin the Eurail pass is the one that isn't available
> to people resident in European countries, including Britain.
That's right, but I was resident in the US at the time, and my partner
(who got the pass through work) had a US passport. I remember worrying
that they might question the fact I had a UK passport, but they didn't
in Brussels (where we got the pass validated first), and in fact that
was the only time my passport was ever looked at!
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> "chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco"
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:1gyj265.da1rzv136t9t2N%this_address_is_for_sp [email protected]...
>
> > The only time I
> > used a Eurailpass, it was heavily discounted.
>
> Are you sure, David? I thin the Eurail pass is the one that isn't available
> to people resident in European countries, including Britain.
That's right, but I was resident in the US at the time, and my partner
(who got the pass through work) had a US passport. I remember worrying
that they might question the fact I had a UK passport, but they didn't
in Brussels (where we got the pass validated first), and in fact that
was the only time my passport was ever looked at!
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jun 22nd 2005, 2:04 am
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Re: Eurail Pass Information
On 22 Jun 2005 10:00:59 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"ALAN HARRISON" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Walk up fare for an Intercity train, Milan to Desenzano, last year,
>> with no discount - about 9 euros 2nd, about 13 euros 1st. Anyone
>> like to guess the respective prices for a similar journey in
>> Britain?
>I've just got back from Italy (behold! I am on topic for once!) and
>Italian trains are certainly shockingly cheap and good to an
>Englishperson. (I paid about 12 EUR Genoa to La Spezia return,
>presumably second class although no one mentioned first.)
>Needless to say when I got back to Blighty the Stansted "Express"
>neglected to go anywhere at all. (My return ticket from Bristol cost
>nearly 60 UKP.)
>And don't get me started on the buses...
When I came back to Blighty a couple of years ago, I had just done a
tour of places like Romania, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia, and the
thing that struck me was WHY THE HELL CAN THE ROMANIAN TRAINS ALL RUN
ON TIME BUT THE BRITISH TRAINS RUN ON EXCUSES????
A sad situation when after all these year the British still haven't
figured out how to make their train system work at least semi
reliably. Everywhere else manages to, and even Italy's are better, and
much cheaper.
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wrote:
>"ALAN HARRISON" <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Walk up fare for an Intercity train, Milan to Desenzano, last year,
>> with no discount - about 9 euros 2nd, about 13 euros 1st. Anyone
>> like to guess the respective prices for a similar journey in
>> Britain?
>I've just got back from Italy (behold! I am on topic for once!) and
>Italian trains are certainly shockingly cheap and good to an
>Englishperson. (I paid about 12 EUR Genoa to La Spezia return,
>presumably second class although no one mentioned first.)
>Needless to say when I got back to Blighty the Stansted "Express"
>neglected to go anywhere at all. (My return ticket from Bristol cost
>nearly 60 UKP.)
>And don't get me started on the buses...
When I came back to Blighty a couple of years ago, I had just done a
tour of places like Romania, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia, and the
thing that struck me was WHY THE HELL CAN THE ROMANIAN TRAINS ALL RUN
ON TIME BUT THE BRITISH TRAINS RUN ON EXCUSES????
A sad situation when after all these year the British still haven't
figured out how to make their train system work at least semi
reliably. Everywhere else manages to, and even Italy's are better, and
much cheaper.
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Jun 22nd 2005, 2:08 am
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Re: Eurail Pass Information
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:47:03 +0000 (UTC), "ALAN HARRISON"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> However, this won't usually work if you make a spur-of-the-moment
>> decision to run up to Milano while standing in the Venice
>> station.
>However, Italian fares are extremely cheap, and I have never seen a lower
>price than the walk-up fare advertised on the Trenitalia site for "ordinary"
>passengers without some kind of discount card.
They are cheap, and the trains are usually clean, even if not
reliable.
Conversely, British trains are expensive, often filthy, often very
old, often delayed, and full of Brits with all manner of creative
excuses as to why it's so incredibly shit.
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>"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> However, this won't usually work if you make a spur-of-the-moment
>> decision to run up to Milano while standing in the Venice
>> station.
>However, Italian fares are extremely cheap, and I have never seen a lower
>price than the walk-up fare advertised on the Trenitalia site for "ordinary"
>passengers without some kind of discount card.
They are cheap, and the trains are usually clean, even if not
reliable.
Conversely, British trains are expensive, often filthy, often very
old, often delayed, and full of Brits with all manner of creative
excuses as to why it's so incredibly shit.
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Jun 22nd 2005, 2:14 am
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Re: Eurail Pass Information
"Roll two dice, wait for that many trains ... repeat until you've had
your fill or your time or railpass had run out."
And spend half your holiday in rail junction towns and industrial
suburbs.
your fill or your time or railpass had run out."
And spend half your holiday in rail junction towns and industrial
suburbs.
Jun 22nd 2005, 2:14 am
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Re: Eurail Pass Information
"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On 22 Jun 2005 10:00:59 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >"ALAN HARRISON" <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >> Walk up fare for an Intercity train, Milan to Desenzano, last year,
> >> with no discount - about 9 euros 2nd, about 13 euros 1st. Anyone
> >> like to guess the respective prices for a similar journey in
> >> Britain?
> >
> >I've just got back from Italy (behold! I am on topic for once!) and
> >Italian trains are certainly shockingly cheap and good to an
> >Englishperson. (I paid about 12 EUR Genoa to La Spezia return,
> >presumably second class although no one mentioned first.)
> >
> >Needless to say when I got back to Blighty the Stansted "Express"
> >neglected to go anywhere at all. (My return ticket from Bristol cost
> >nearly 60 UKP.)
> >
> >And don't get me started on the buses...
> When I came back to Blighty a couple of years ago, I had just done a
> tour of places like Romania, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia, and the
> thing that struck me was WHY THE HELL CAN THE ROMANIAN TRAINS ALL RUN
> ON TIME BUT THE BRITISH TRAINS RUN ON EXCUSES????
> A sad situation when after all these year the British still haven't
> figured out how to make their train system work at least semi
> reliably. Everywhere else manages to, and even Italy's are better, and
> much cheaper.
Have you heard the latest ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4112360.stm
They are talking about a congestion charge for rail users, to try to
persuade people NOT to use the trains at peak periods !!
So much for an integrated transport policy.
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> On 22 Jun 2005 10:00:59 +0100, Des Small <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >"ALAN HARRISON" <[email protected]> writes:
> >
> >> Walk up fare for an Intercity train, Milan to Desenzano, last year,
> >> with no discount - about 9 euros 2nd, about 13 euros 1st. Anyone
> >> like to guess the respective prices for a similar journey in
> >> Britain?
> >
> >I've just got back from Italy (behold! I am on topic for once!) and
> >Italian trains are certainly shockingly cheap and good to an
> >Englishperson. (I paid about 12 EUR Genoa to La Spezia return,
> >presumably second class although no one mentioned first.)
> >
> >Needless to say when I got back to Blighty the Stansted "Express"
> >neglected to go anywhere at all. (My return ticket from Bristol cost
> >nearly 60 UKP.)
> >
> >And don't get me started on the buses...
> When I came back to Blighty a couple of years ago, I had just done a
> tour of places like Romania, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia, and the
> thing that struck me was WHY THE HELL CAN THE ROMANIAN TRAINS ALL RUN
> ON TIME BUT THE BRITISH TRAINS RUN ON EXCUSES????
> A sad situation when after all these year the British still haven't
> figured out how to make their train system work at least semi
> reliably. Everywhere else manages to, and even Italy's are better, and
> much cheaper.
Have you heard the latest ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4112360.stm
They are talking about a congestion charge for rail users, to try to
persuade people NOT to use the trains at peak periods !!
So much for an integrated transport policy.
Jun 22nd 2005, 2:39 am
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Re: Eurail Pass Information
Deep Foiled Malls <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> writes:
> When I came back to Blighty a couple of years ago, I had just done a
> tour of places like Romania, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia, and the
> thing that struck me was WHY THE HELL CAN THE ROMANIAN TRAINS ALL RUN
> ON TIME BUT THE BRITISH TRAINS RUN ON EXCUSES????
Privatisation managed to convert a bad but expensive rail system into
a wretched, extortionate and dangerous one. (Even the Economist had
occasion to remark before, during and after the event that the plan
was utterly retarded.)
> A sad situation when after all these year the British still haven't
> figured out how to make their train system work at least semi
> reliably. Everywhere else manages to, and even Italy's are better,
> and much cheaper.
There was a brief interval during which National Express coaches were
marginally better than they needed to be, given that their competition
is the trains, but they have now fixed that.
I've applied for publictransportasylum in Sweden, for sure.
Des
> When I came back to Blighty a couple of years ago, I had just done a
> tour of places like Romania, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia, and the
> thing that struck me was WHY THE HELL CAN THE ROMANIAN TRAINS ALL RUN
> ON TIME BUT THE BRITISH TRAINS RUN ON EXCUSES????
Privatisation managed to convert a bad but expensive rail system into
a wretched, extortionate and dangerous one. (Even the Economist had
occasion to remark before, during and after the event that the plan
was utterly retarded.)
> A sad situation when after all these year the British still haven't
> figured out how to make their train system work at least semi
> reliably. Everywhere else manages to, and even Italy's are better,
> and much cheaper.
There was a brief interval during which National Express coaches were
marginally better than they needed to be, given that their competition
is the trains, but they have now fixed that.
I've applied for publictransportasylum in Sweden, for sure.
Des
Jun 22nd 2005, 4:42 am
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Re: Eurail Pass Information
"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:47:03 +0000 (UTC), "ALAN HARRISON"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> However, this won't usually work if you make a spur-of-the-moment
>>> decision to run up to Milano while standing in the Venice
>>> station.
>>However, Italian fares are extremely cheap, and I have never seen a lower
>>price than the walk-up fare advertised on the Trenitalia site for
>>"ordinary"
>>passengers without some kind of discount card.
> They are cheap, and the trains are usually clean, even if not
> reliable.
> Conversely, British trains are expensive, often filthy, often very
> old,
One of the things that privatisation has give the UK is new
trains. Old trains are certainly not the norm any more
and most of the ones that are keft are due to go soon.
tim
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> On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:47:03 +0000 (UTC), "ALAN HARRISON"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> However, this won't usually work if you make a spur-of-the-moment
>>> decision to run up to Milano while standing in the Venice
>>> station.
>>However, Italian fares are extremely cheap, and I have never seen a lower
>>price than the walk-up fare advertised on the Trenitalia site for
>>"ordinary"
>>passengers without some kind of discount card.
> They are cheap, and the trains are usually clean, even if not
> reliable.
> Conversely, British trains are expensive, often filthy, often very
> old,
One of the things that privatisation has give the UK is new
trains. Old trains are certainly not the norm any more
and most of the ones that are keft are due to go soon.
tim
Jun 22nd 2005, 4:44 am
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Re: Eurail Pass Information
"Des Small" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Deep Foiled Malls <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> writes:
>> When I came back to Blighty a couple of years ago, I had just done a
>> tour of places like Romania, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia, and the
>> thing that struck me was WHY THE HELL CAN THE ROMANIAN TRAINS ALL RUN
>> ON TIME BUT THE BRITISH TRAINS RUN ON EXCUSES????
> Privatisation managed to convert a bad but expensive rail system into
> a wretched, extortionate and dangerous one. (Even the Economist had
> occasion to remark before, during and after the event that the plan
> was utterly retarded.)
>> A sad situation when after all these year the British still haven't
>> figured out how to make their train system work at least semi
>> reliably. Everywhere else manages to, and even Italy's are better,
>> and much cheaper.
> There was a brief interval during which National Express coaches were
> marginally better than they needed to be, given that their competition
> is the trains, but they have now fixed that.
> I've applied for publictransportasylum in Sweden, for sure.
What do you expect to find different here?
You'll even recognise the names. There's a Connex logo on the
side of the trains, an Arriva logo on (my) local buses and
Stagecoach recently bought the long distance bus company.
tim
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> Deep Foiled Malls <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> writes:
>> When I came back to Blighty a couple of years ago, I had just done a
>> tour of places like Romania, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia, and the
>> thing that struck me was WHY THE HELL CAN THE ROMANIAN TRAINS ALL RUN
>> ON TIME BUT THE BRITISH TRAINS RUN ON EXCUSES????
> Privatisation managed to convert a bad but expensive rail system into
> a wretched, extortionate and dangerous one. (Even the Economist had
> occasion to remark before, during and after the event that the plan
> was utterly retarded.)
>> A sad situation when after all these year the British still haven't
>> figured out how to make their train system work at least semi
>> reliably. Everywhere else manages to, and even Italy's are better,
>> and much cheaper.
> There was a brief interval during which National Express coaches were
> marginally better than they needed to be, given that their competition
> is the trains, but they have now fixed that.
> I've applied for publictransportasylum in Sweden, for sure.
What do you expect to find different here?
You'll even recognise the names. There's a Connex logo on the
side of the trains, an Arriva logo on (my) local buses and
Stagecoach recently bought the long distance bus company.
tim
Jun 22nd 2005, 4:53 am
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Re: Eurail Pass Information
"tim \(moved to sweden\)" <[email protected]> writes:
> "Des Small" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > I've applied for publictransportasylum in Sweden, for sure.
>
> What do you expect to find different here?
I went on Swedish trains last year. They weren't exactly cheap, but
they were clean and they worked. That is two (2) significant
diffences from Britain.
> You'll even recognise the names. There's a Connex logo on the
> side of the trains, an Arriva logo on (my) local buses and
> Stagecoach recently bought the long distance bus company.
Hmmm. Maybe I'll try Finland instead...
Des
> "Des Small" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> > I've applied for publictransportasylum in Sweden, for sure.
>
> What do you expect to find different here?
I went on Swedish trains last year. They weren't exactly cheap, but
they were clean and they worked. That is two (2) significant
diffences from Britain.
> You'll even recognise the names. There's a Connex logo on the
> side of the trains, an Arriva logo on (my) local buses and
> Stagecoach recently bought the long distance bus company.
Hmmm. Maybe I'll try Finland instead...
Des
Jun 22nd 2005, 8:14 am
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Re: Eurail Pass Information
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:42:06 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:47:03 +0000 (UTC), "ALAN HARRISON"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected] ...
>>>> However, this won't usually work if you make a spur-of-the-moment
>>>> decision to run up to Milano while standing in the Venice
>>>> station.
>>>However, Italian fares are extremely cheap, and I have never seen a lower
>>>price than the walk-up fare advertised on the Trenitalia site for
>>>"ordinary"
>>>passengers without some kind of discount card.
>> They are cheap, and the trains are usually clean, even if not
>> reliable.
>> Conversely, British trains are expensive, often filthy, often very
>> old,
>One of the things that privatisation has give the UK is new
>trains. Old trains are certainly not the norm any more
>and most of the ones that are keft are due to go soon.
Damn, I just spent 2 minutes looking up the word 'keft' until it
became apparent what you actually meant!
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>"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:47:03 +0000 (UTC), "ALAN HARRISON"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected] ...
>>>> However, this won't usually work if you make a spur-of-the-moment
>>>> decision to run up to Milano while standing in the Venice
>>>> station.
>>>However, Italian fares are extremely cheap, and I have never seen a lower
>>>price than the walk-up fare advertised on the Trenitalia site for
>>>"ordinary"
>>>passengers without some kind of discount card.
>> They are cheap, and the trains are usually clean, even if not
>> reliable.
>> Conversely, British trains are expensive, often filthy, often very
>> old,
>One of the things that privatisation has give the UK is new
>trains. Old trains are certainly not the norm any more
>and most of the ones that are keft are due to go soon.
Damn, I just spent 2 minutes looking up the word 'keft' until it
became apparent what you actually meant!
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Jun 22nd 2005, 9:07 am
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" When I came back to Blighty a couple of years ago, I had just done a
tour of places like Romania, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia, and the
thing that struck me was WHY THE HELL CAN THE ROMANIAN TRAINS ALL RUN
ON TIME BUT THE BRITISH TRAINS RUN ON EXCUSES????"
Must be the goat's blood!
tour of places like Romania, Hungary, Poland and Slovakia, and the
thing that struck me was WHY THE HELL CAN THE ROMANIAN TRAINS ALL RUN
ON TIME BUT THE BRITISH TRAINS RUN ON EXCUSES????"
Must be the goat's blood!
Jun 22nd 2005, 9:41 am
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"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:42:06 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
>>message news:[email protected]...
>>> They are cheap, and the trains are usually clean, even if not
>>> reliable.
>>> Conversely, British trains are expensive, often filthy, often very
>>> old,
>>One of the things that privatisation has give the UK is new
>>trains. Old trains are certainly not the norm any more
>>and most of the ones that are keft are due to go soon.
> That's the good news about privatization. Now tell us the bad
> news.
It costs three times as much (subsidy) and isn't any better.
I don't think, in general, it is any worse than when BR ran it, but
it was privatized to be better and cheaper, just like everything
else that got privatized. In that respect, it's been a failure
tim
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> On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:42:06 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
>>message news:[email protected]...
>>> They are cheap, and the trains are usually clean, even if not
>>> reliable.
>>> Conversely, British trains are expensive, often filthy, often very
>>> old,
>>One of the things that privatisation has give the UK is new
>>trains. Old trains are certainly not the norm any more
>>and most of the ones that are keft are due to go soon.
> That's the good news about privatization. Now tell us the bad
> news.
It costs three times as much (subsidy) and isn't any better.
I don't think, in general, it is any worse than when BR ran it, but
it was privatized to be better and cheaper, just like everything
else that got privatized. In that respect, it's been a failure
tim
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> * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
> * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Jun 22nd 2005, 10:12 am
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Re: Eurail Pass Information
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:31:32 -0400, "Rog'"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Eric Griswold" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Arrive at a station (generally a big one), roll two dice and wait
>> for that many trains to go by. Get on the next one. Roll two
>> dice, get off after that many stops. Take a walk around
>> wherever you end up; look for a place to get a coffee/beer/
>> whatever. Roll two dice, wait for that many trains ... repeat
>> until you've had your fill or your time or railpass had run out.
>Oh, to be young-at-heart and fancy free. I shudder at the concept.
I'm 67 and I think it sounds cool.
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* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
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>"Eric Griswold" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Arrive at a station (generally a big one), roll two dice and wait
>> for that many trains to go by. Get on the next one. Roll two
>> dice, get off after that many stops. Take a walk around
>> wherever you end up; look for a place to get a coffee/beer/
>> whatever. Roll two dice, wait for that many trains ... repeat
>> until you've had your fill or your time or railpass had run out.
>Oh, to be young-at-heart and fancy free. I shudder at the concept.
I'm 67 and I think it sounds cool.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Jun 22nd 2005, 10:14 am
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Re: Eurail Pass Information
On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:42:06 +0200, "tim \(moved to sweden\)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> They are cheap, and the trains are usually clean, even if not
>> reliable.
>> Conversely, British trains are expensive, often filthy, often very
>> old,
>One of the things that privatisation has give the UK is new
>trains. Old trains are certainly not the norm any more
>and most of the ones that are keft are due to go soon.
That's the good news about privatization. Now tell us the bad
news.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
>message news:[email protected]...
>> They are cheap, and the trains are usually clean, even if not
>> reliable.
>> Conversely, British trains are expensive, often filthy, often very
>> old,
>One of the things that privatisation has give the UK is new
>trains. Old trains are certainly not the norm any more
>and most of the ones that are keft are due to go soon.
That's the good news about privatization. Now tell us the bad
news.
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