Mike O'Sullivan

Under a smoking ban in public places due to be brought in nexr year, the
coffeeshop culture is likely to end. See here:

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n791/a11.html?397

Mxsmanic

Mike O'Sullivan writes:

    > Under a smoking ban in public places due to be brought in nexr year, the
    > coffeeshop culture is likely to end. See here:
    >
    > http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n791/a11.html?397

While it makes sense to ban smoking (of anything) in public places
generally, it seems illogical to ban it in businesses that exist
specifically for the purpose of allowing people to smoke. Anyone not
already addicted to drugs isn't likely to venture into a drug den, so
what difference does it make in such places?


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"Mike O'Sullivan" wrote in message news:...
    > Under a smoking ban in public places due to be brought in nexr year, the
    > coffeeshop culture is likely to end. See here:
    >
    > http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n791/a11.html?397

If that ban makes it. The dutch federation of cafe and bar owners is
throwing a fit over this. There's already talk that as much as 40000
people may loose their jobs because of this. They fear that this may
lead to a major drop in visitor numbers.

Past experiments with smoke-free bars have all ended in bankrupcy so
they could have a point.

Jeroen

Rob

In article , "Mike O'Sullivan" wrote:
    >Under a smoking ban in public places due to be brought in nexr year, the
    >coffeeshop culture is likely to end. See here:
    >http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n791/a11.html?397
Technically, smoking dope is already illegal in the Netherlands, they just
don't enforce the law. So they could just not enforce this new law in the
coffeehouses too.

Paul Dwerryhouse

[email protected] (Rob ) writes:

    >Technically, smoking dope is already illegal in the Netherlands, they just
    >don't enforce the law. So they could just not enforce this new law in the
    >coffeehouses too.

Yeah, they've never enforced the no-smoking law on the metro, either. Ugh.


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John Bermont

This law is certainly uncharacteristic of the tolerant Dutch. I can't
imagine going into a cafe for a beer and not seeing a cloud of smoke,
including that from my Dutch cigar.

John Bermont
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Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
    >
    > Under a smoking ban in public places due to be brought in nexr year, the
    > coffeeshop culture is likely to end. See here:
    >
    > http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n791/a11.html?397

Anonymouse

Hi,

well since cannabis is technically "illegal" in the netherlands anyway I
think there will be some sort of allowances on what is actually permitted.

the article notes:

    > A Dutch health ministry spokesman, Bas Kuik said the coffee shops could have designated smoking areas.

which will probably work like french no smoking tables in brasseries...
that's the table in the corner next to the toilette... which probably
has an ash tray on it anyway...

Mike O'Sullivan wrote:
    > Under a smoking ban in public places due to be brought in nexr year, the
    > coffeeshop culture is likely to end. See here:
    >
    > http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n791/a11.html?397
    >
    >


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The Reid

Following up to Rob

    >Technically, smoking dope is already illegal in the Netherlands, they just
    >don't enforce the law. So they could just not enforce this new law in the
    >coffeehouses too.

does that make it twice as much fun?
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Mike O'Sullivan

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news:[email protected]...
    > "Mike O'Sullivan" wrote in message
news:...
    > > Under a smoking ban in public places due to be brought in nexr year, the
    > > coffeeshop culture is likely to end. See here:
    > >
    > > http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v03/n791/a11.html?397
    > If that ban makes it. The dutch federation of cafe and bar owners is
    > throwing a fit over this. There's already talk that as much as 40000
    > people may loose their jobs because of this. They fear that this may
    > lead to a major drop in visitor numbers.
    > Past experiments with smoke-free bars have all ended in bankrupcy so
    > they could have a point.
It seems to work perfectly well in Vancouver, not that I'm necessarily in
favour of these nanny state initiatives.

Mxsmanic

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    > They fear that this may lead to a major drop in visitor numbers.

Are drugs that important to tourism?


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Sjoerd

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    > [email protected] writes:
    > > They fear that this may lead to a major drop in visitor numbers.
    > Are drugs that important to tourism?

I guess so. But the typical drug tourist doesn't spend much money on other
"stuff" so I am not sure if they will be greatly missed by other businesses.

Sjoerd

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    > [email protected] writes:
    >
    > > They fear that this may lead to a major drop in visitor numbers.
    >
    > Are drugs that important to tourism?

I think you may have misread me. I ment a drop in visitors to all
bars, cafes and even restaurants.
Sjoerd has probably seen the discussion in the media as well.


Jeroen

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John Bermont wrote in message news:...
    > This law is certainly uncharacteristic of the tolerant Dutch. I can't
    > imagine going into a cafe for a beer and not seeing a cloud of smoke,
    > including that from my Dutch cigar.
    >
Yes...

Main reason behind it is that every employee in the country has the
right to a smoke-free working enviroment.

I dunno about this one. Few possible outcomes.
1. a lot of cafes go out of business.
2. the law doesn't make it
3. it will include a loophole somewhere, perhaps having the staff sign
waivers or something.
We'll just have to wait and see.


Jeroen

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[email protected] ([email protected]) wrote:

    > Mxsmanic wrote in message
    > news:...
    > > [email protected] writes:
    > >
    > > > They fear that this may lead to a major drop in visitor numbers.
    > >
    > > Are drugs that important to tourism?
    >
    > I think you may have misread me. I ment a drop in visitors to all
    > bars, cafes and even restaurants.
    > Sjoerd has probably seen the discussion in the media as well.
    >
    >
    > Jeroen

Just wait a few years when you have an EU federal Gov. telling you what
to doÅ

jay
Thu, Jun 5, 2003
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Anonymouse

Hi,

they're a HUGE draw.

and I must say a spacecake with morning coffee really does improve a day
long visit to the Rijksmuseum.

Mxsmanic wrote:
    > [email protected] writes:
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    >
    >>They fear that this may lead to a major drop in visitor numbers.
    >
    >
    > Are drugs that important to tourism?
    >
    >


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