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Old Aug 16th 2004, 11:31 am
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jenn writes:

    > well and every French bakery has goodies far more wonderful than a
    > dunkin donut donut ...

Donuts are scarce and expensive in France, and often not very good.

There was an excellent donut place in the rue Mouffetard for some years,
but it closed long ago, after becoming a subcontractor to several other
restaurants (including, I think, some local McDonald's). Their donuts
were delicious. It was run by Americans, as I recall.

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Old Aug 16th 2004, 11:33 am
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Padraig Breathnach writes:

    > I don't like coffee they way it is often served in America -- too
    > weak, no "edge" to the flavour. In Dunkin' Donuts in Rome, they
    > offered well-roasted Arabica, and espressoed it -- what an Italian
    > would want, I think.

FWIW, coffee has always been a mystery to me: Why do people drink
something with such an awful taste? And if it tastes so good, why don't
children drink it?

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Old Aug 16th 2004, 12:00 pm
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S Viemeister <[email protected]> climbed onto an orange
crate and shouted:

    >"Miss L. Toe" wrote:
    >>
    >> Krispie Kream are 100 times better :-)
    >I've only had Krispy Kremes once - they were so heavy, if you tied a rope
    >to them, you could have used them as anchors.

Probably not fresh. There's a world of difference between the ones
you buy fresh off the line at an actual Krispy Kreme bakery and the
ones that get trucked in from who-knows-where.


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Old Aug 16th 2004, 12:10 pm
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Padraig Breathnach writes:
    >> I don't like coffee they way it is often served in America -- too
    >> weak, no "edge" to the flavour. In Dunkin' Donuts in Rome, they
    >> offered well-roasted Arabica, and espressoed it -- what an Italian
    >> would want, I think.
    >FWIW, coffee has always been a mystery to me: Why do people drink
    >something with such an awful taste? And if it tastes so good, why don't
    >children drink it?

The last question is the more easily answered: tastes change through
one's lifetime. Many foods and drinks which I enjoyed in childhood
have no great appeal to me now, and some things (coffee included)
which I did not like as a child, I now enjoy.

Tastes differ. To you, coffee tastes awful; to me, no. I think you
also said somewhere that you don't like wine; I do like it.

Can we agree on chocolate? Dark, at least 70% cocoa?

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Old Aug 16th 2004, 12:19 pm
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Padraig Breathnach writes:

    > The last question is the more easily answered: tastes change through
    > one's lifetime. Many foods and drinks which I enjoyed in childhood
    > have no great appeal to me now, and some things (coffee included)
    > which I did not like as a child, I now enjoy.

But coffee seems to be some sort of bizarre right of passage. Children
don't like it presumably because it has a horrible, bitter taste. At
some point they wish to seem "grown up," so they start drinking the
unpleasant brew, and eventually develop a taste for it.

I never started drinking coffee, because it tasted bad, and it still
does. I don't even like coffee-flavored foods. The same is true for
alcohol, which produces a horrible burning sensation and has a bad smell
once ingested (to say nothing of its many undesirable pharmacological
effects). Smoking is still another example: something very unpleasant
that people feel compelled to _force_ themselves to undertake for
purposes of social acceptance.

Anyway, my tastes in food are very much the same as they have always
been, except that they have broadened (very slightly) over time. Also,
my sense of smell is much worse than it used to be, so some foods that
had a distinct and pleasant taste when I was little seem much more bland
today (even though I know that they aren't).

    > Can we agree on chocolate? Dark, at least 70% cocoa?

I like chocolate ... but I prefer milk chocolate, as opposed to dark
chocolate. Dark chocolate does have a certain bracing effect--probably
all that theobromine and caffeine--but overall I prefer rich milk
chocolate. I like dairy products, and strong chocolate occasionally
seems to trigger morning-after migraines in my case.

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Old Aug 16th 2004, 1:04 pm
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Padraig Breathnach writes:
    >> The last question is the more easily answered: tastes change through
    >> one's lifetime. Many foods and drinks which I enjoyed in childhood
    >> have no great appeal to me now, and some things (coffee included)
    >> which I did not like as a child, I now enjoy.
    >But coffee seems to be some sort of bizarre right of passage.
Rites of passage seem bizarre if you don't make the particular
passage. But you might be on to something: my liking for coffee dates
from about the time of puberty. A lot of things change at that stage
of life.

    >Children don't like it presumably because it has a horrible, bitter taste.
Some children, admittedly a small minority, like coffee. In general, I
think adults derive more enjoyment from a bitter component in a
flavour.

    >At
    >some point they wish to seem "grown up," so they start drinking the
    >unpleasant brew, and eventually develop a taste for it.
I agree that for many people it is an acquired taste.

    >I never started drinking coffee, because it tasted bad, and it still
    >does. I don't even like coffee-flavored foods.
Oddly enough, although I greatly like coffee, I don't like
coffee-flavoured foods. That particular flavour is for me, associated
with a hot drink, nothing else.

    >The same is true for
    >alcohol, which produces a horrible burning sensation and has a bad smell
    >once ingested (to say nothing of its many undesirable pharmacological
    >effects).
A little alcohol is more likely to do good than harm. Most alcoholic
drinks have flavours which are acquired tastes. I am pleased to have
acquired them, especially a liking for wine with my food.

    > Smoking is still another example: something very unpleasant
    >that people feel compelled to _force_ themselves to undertake for
    >purposes of social acceptance.
It doesn't work! Smokers are pariahs in Ireland.

    >Anyway, my tastes in food are very much the same as they have always
    >been, except that they have broadened (very slightly) over time. Also,
    >my sense of smell is much worse than it used to be, so some foods that
    >had a distinct and pleasant taste when I was little seem much more bland
    >today (even though I know that they aren't).
My tastes have evolved greatly over the years. Happily for me, the
food I most enjoy makes for a healthier diet than I ate as a child.

    >> Can we agree on chocolate? Dark, at least 70% cocoa?
    >I like chocolate ... but I prefer milk chocolate, as opposed to dark
    >chocolate. Dark chocolate does have a certain bracing effect--probably
    >all that theobromine and caffeine--but overall I prefer rich milk
    >chocolate. I like dairy products, and strong chocolate occasionally
    >seems to trigger morning-after migraines in my case.
If you are susceptible to migraine, perhaps it is fortunate that you
do not like coffee or alcoholic drink (especially red wine), as they
are renowned triggers.

I suspect that you don't like those wonderful French cheeses like
Livarot, St. Agur, Reblechon, Epoisses, Vacherin, and many others
which I love.

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Old Aug 16th 2004, 2:13 pm
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Padraig Breathnach writes:

    > It doesn't work! Smokers are pariahs in Ireland.

In France they are the majority.

    > If you are susceptible to migraine, perhaps it is fortunate that you
    > do not like coffee or alcoholic drink (especially red wine), as they
    > are renowned triggers.

So I've read. All the more reason to avoid them.

    > I suspect that you don't like those wonderful French cheeses like
    > Livarot, St. Agur, Reblechon, Epoisses, Vacherin, and many others
    > which I love.

There are a number of cheeses that I like (I like dairy products in
general): several blues (Bresse Bleu and Roquefort), many goat cheeses,
some processed cheeses (including a chocolate-flavored Neuchatel that I
used to be able to buy in the States), and so on.

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Old Aug 16th 2004, 8:24 pm
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:42:41 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >[email protected] (Al) wrote:
    >>Padraig Breathnach <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    >>> [email protected] (Fight The Power) wrote:
    >>>
    >>> >Hey there, European travellers! I was curious if there still was a
    >>> >Dunkin' Donuts by Rome's Trevi Fountain...I was reading about this and
    >>> >it sounded so surreal.
    >>>
    >>> There was one a couple of years ago, but I don't know if it is still
    >>> there. It's not quite "by" the fountain -- it's about 50 metres away,
    >>I didn't see it two years ago.
    >>> and not visually intrusive. They serve excellent coffee, but I don't
    >>> know about the doughnuts.
    >>This is hard to believe do they use Italian coffee? I've heard people
    >>from Boston rave about their coffee, but it was piss-poor when I tried
    >>it.
    >I don't like coffee they way it is often served in America -- too
    >weak, no "edge" to the flavour.

but if you use US coffee and make it the way you normally do, it is
good coffee.

    >In Dunkin' Donuts in Rome, they
    >offered well-roasted Arabica, and espressoed it -- what an Italian
    >would want, I think.

Would an Italian want coffee in Dunkin' Donuts?
 
Old Aug 16th 2004, 8:25 pm
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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 01:33:03 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
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    >FWIW, coffee has always been a mystery to me: Why do people drink
    >something with such an awful taste? And if it tastes so good, why don't
    >children drink it?

Children do drink it. End of argument?
 
Old Aug 16th 2004, 8:28 pm
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On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:21:01 -0500, jenn <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Padraig Breathnach wrote:
    >> [email protected] wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>>On 16 Aug 2004 13:00:41 -0700, [email protected] (Al) wrote:
    >>>>This is hard to believe do they use Italian coffee? I've heard people
    >>>>from Boston rave about their coffee, but it was piss-poor when I tried
    >>>>it.
    >>>All US coffee is piss poor the way they make it.
    >>
    >>
    >> Maybe not all, but all that I tried.
    >>
    >people have different tastes in coffee -- the way your family made it is
    >not necesarily 'good' -- it is just the way you like it -- there is no
    >particular virtue in liking strong coffee [or weak] or with sugar or
    >without or with cardomon or without etc etc

There is some advantage in the way coffee is made in the US, I can
drink gallons of it, without getting the shakes after a couple of cups
like I do with Danish and Dutch coffee.
 
Old Aug 16th 2004, 8:49 pm
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[email protected] wrote:

    >On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:42:41 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >>I don't like coffee they way it is often served in America -- too
    >>weak, no "edge" to the flavour.
    >but if you use US coffee and make it the way you normally do, it is
    >good coffee.
Quite possibly. But I like my coffee dark-roasted, and I don't know if
that is the American taste.

    >>In Dunkin' Donuts in Rome, they
    >>offered well-roasted Arabica, and espressoed it -- what an Italian
    >>would want, I think.
    >Would an Italian want coffee in Dunkin' Donuts?
I don't know, but the coffee there is made by Italians. I would not
have gone there myself, except that it was a Sunday morning, and other
establishments in the area were closed.

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Old Aug 16th 2004, 9:05 pm
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"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Padraig Breathnach writes:
    > > I don't like coffee they way it is often served in America -- too
    > > weak, no "edge" to the flavour. In Dunkin' Donuts in Rome, they
    > > offered well-roasted Arabica, and espressoed it -- what an Italian
    > > would want, I think.
    > FWIW, coffee has always been a mystery to me: Why do people drink
    > something with such an awful taste? And if it tastes so good, why don't
    > children drink it?

Do you like Whiskey ?
Or chilli peppers ?
 
Old Aug 16th 2004, 9:16 pm
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Padraig Breathnach writes:
    >> It doesn't work! Smokers are pariahs in Ireland.
    >In France they are the majority.
I don't think that they really are (I saw figures somewhere, but
forget the details) but you can certainly get that impression.

    >> I suspect that you don't like those wonderful French cheeses like
    >> Livarot, St. Agur, Reblechon, Epoisses, Vacherin, and many others
    >> which I love.
    >There are a number of cheeses that I like (I like dairy products in
    >general): several blues (Bresse Bleu and Roquefort), many goat cheeses,
    >some processed cheeses (including a chocolate-flavored Neuchatel that I
    >used to be able to buy in the States), and so on.
Whatever about the others, surely blue cheeses (especially Roquefort)
have a sharp edge to them which children in general would not like. I
suspect that you acquired a taste for them.

To my palate, chocolate-flavoured cheese seems an abomination..

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Old Aug 16th 2004, 11:25 pm
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Padraig Breathnach writes:

    > I don't think that they really are (I saw figures somewhere, but
    > forget the details) but you can certainly get that impression.

They are about half the population, as I recall, with the fastest
growing group of smokers being young women.

    > Whatever about the others, surely blue cheeses (especially Roquefort)
    > have a sharp edge to them which children in general would not like. I
    > suspect that you acquired a taste for them.

I'm still a bit irritated by Roquefort except in very small amounts (the
oil that it oozes is very bothersome, too). Bresse Bleu is much nicer,
but I can't taste it as well as I used to.

    > To my palate, chocolate-flavoured cheese seems an abomination..

It was delicious. It had the texture and look of modeling clay, but it
was like a tangy, very firm, very rich chocolate mousse.

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Old Aug 16th 2004, 11:25 pm
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[email protected] writes:

    > Children do drink it. End of argument?

I don't see them drinking it, although I'm sure a few do in some
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