Keith Anderson

George Bush met The Queen, and he turned round and said:

"As I'm the President, I'm thinking of changing how the country is
referred to, and I'm thinking that it should be a Kingdom." To which
the Queen replies, "I'm sorry Mr Bush, but to be a Kingdom, you have
to have a King in charge - and you're not a King."

George Bush thought a while and then said: "How about a Principality
then?" to which the Queen replied, "Again, to be a Principality you
have to be a Prince - and you're not a Prince, Mr Bush."

Bush thought long and hard and came up with, "How about an Empire
then?"

The Queen, getting a little peed off by now replied, " Sorry again, Mr
Bush, but to be an Empire you must have an Emperor in charge - and you
are not an Emperor."

Before George Bush could utter another word, The Queen said: "I think
you're doing quite nicely as a Country."

Icono Clast

Keith Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
    > George Bush met The Queen, and he turned round and said:

I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures of the demonstration that's
supposed to happen in a few hours.

I'm delighted with reports of the demonstration being possible where
it's likely to be seen by those for whom it's intended.

I'm also delighted with The Idiot's clear understanding of what "free
speech" really means. He's finally said something that I find
acceptable.

If you have ears and hearing . . .
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Reid

Following up to Icono Clast

    >I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures of the demonstration that's
    >supposed to happen in a few hours.

I'm looking forward to driving round the M25 to avoid central
London :-(

    >I'm delighted with reports of the demonstration being possible where
    >it's likely to be seen by those for whom it's intended.

Demonstrations need to be like that.

    >I'm also delighted with The Idiot's clear understanding of what "free
    >speech" really means. He's finally said something that I find
    >acceptable.

I thought he made a good speech.

Re the first days demos, my radio station is discussing at some
length how someone burning a US flag was a terrible disgrace and
the Americans will be very upset.
Will they? If I see a union flag being burnt I just think, "oh
theres someone demonstrating against UK".
--
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Dan Stephenson

Hey you bozos, it's Dubya, not Dubbya. Sheesh, y'all probly use a 'u'
in color, too. <chuckle>

--
Dan Stephenson
Photos and movies from my 3-month European vacation and Wales 2003 at
http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda

Dan Stephenson

In article <[email protected]>, Reid
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > Following up to Icono Clast
    >
    > >I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures of the demonstration that's
    > >supposed to happen in a few hours.
    >
    > I'm looking forward to driving round the M25 to avoid central
    > London :-(
    >
    > >I'm delighted with reports of the demonstration being possible where
    > >it's likely to be seen by those for whom it's intended.
    >
    > Demonstrations need to be like that.

Serious question: is it worth dribing around the M25 to avoid central
London?

    > >I'm also delighted with The Idiot's clear understanding of what "free
    > >speech" really means. He's finally said something that I find
    > >acceptable.
    >
    > I thought he made a good speech.

I only heard reports on the quality of his speech... is it published
on-line anywhere? I'd like to read it. I like the guy, but I'll agree
he's uh... not the best of public speakers. So I'd like to see what he
spoke.

Now guys, Blair is the BEST danged speaker I have ever ever seen. Wow!

    > Re the first days demos, my radio station is discussing at some
    > length how someone burning a US flag was a terrible disgrace and
    > the Americans will be very upset.

To some Americans it would be upsetting. To others it just look like
generic kookism, especially if it is done because "it upsets
Americans".

    > Will they? If I see a union flag being burnt I just think, "oh
    > theres someone demonstrating against UK".

What I don't get is how those that burn flags think that act in itself
conveys any kind of message at all. It flat doesn't. At least the
sign-wavers are expressing an idea. Being anti-UK-in-all-ways by
burning a flag doesn't pass a test of seriousness.

--
Dan Stephenson
Photos and movies from my 3-month European vacation and Wales 2003 at
http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda

nospamplease

Reid <[email protected]> writes:

    > Re the first days demos, my radio station is discussing at some
    > length how someone burning a US flag was a terrible disgrace and
    > the Americans will be very upset.
    > Will they? If I see a union flag being burnt I just think, "oh
    > theres someone demonstrating against UK".

Me too. Big difference though. Americans are taught in school to
worship their flag, from a very young and impressionable age! (Or
that's the impression we get in Europe anyway...) Whereas the UK flag
is just used for underwear, tea towels, football, decoration on cars,
etc, and nobody really gives a toss what's done with it.

--
-- Chris.

127 . 0 . 0 . 1

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:02:40 +0000, [email protected] wrote:

    >Me too. Big difference though. Americans are taught in school to
    >worship their flag, from a very young and impressionable age! (Or
    >that's the impression we get in Europe anyway...) Whereas the UK flag
    >is just used for underwear, tea towels, football, decoration on cars,
    >etc, and nobody really gives a toss what's done with it.

another reason that the UK is a joke



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"127.0.0.1" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 15:02:40 +0000, [email protected] wrote:
    > another reason that the UK is a joke

Nope. We just think of such symbolism in a different way. We are a cynical
nation at heart.

Marie Lewis

In article <201120030700381371%[email protected]>, Dan Stephenson
<[email protected]> writes
    >Now guys, Blair is the BEST danged speaker I have ever ever seen. Wow!


Well, we have a lot better than he.
--
Marie Lewis

Marie Lewis

In article <[email protected]>, 127. 0. 0. 1
<[email protected]> writes
    >another reason that the UK is a joke
And what does that say about you?
--
Marie Lewis

Howard N . Lute

http://www.bushisms.com/ that'll supply you with laughs for a while.
H

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:00:41 GMT, Dan Stephenson
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, Reid
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >> Following up to Icono Clast
    >>
    >> >I'm looking forward to seeing the pictures of the demonstration that's
    >> >supposed to happen in a few hours.
    >>
    >> I'm looking forward to driving round the M25 to avoid central
    >> London :-(
    >>
    >> >I'm delighted with reports of the demonstration being possible where
    >> >it's likely to be seen by those for whom it's intended.
    >>
    >> Demonstrations need to be like that.
    >Serious question: is it worth dribing around the M25 to avoid central
    >London?
    >> >I'm also delighted with The Idiot's clear understanding of what "free
    >> >speech" really means. He's finally said something that I find
    >> >acceptable.
    >>
    >> I thought he made a good speech.
    >I only heard reports on the quality of his speech... is it published
    >on-line anywhere? I'd like to read it. I like the guy, but I'll agree
    >he's uh... not the best of public speakers. So I'd like to see what he
    >spoke.
    >Now guys, Blair is the BEST danged speaker I have ever ever seen. Wow!
    >> Re the first days demos, my radio station is discussing at some
    >> length how someone burning a US flag was a terrible disgrace and
    >> the Americans will be very upset.
    >To some Americans it would be upsetting. To others it just look like
    >generic kookism, especially if it is done because "it upsets
    >Americans".
    >> Will they? If I see a union flag being burnt I just think, "oh
    >> theres someone demonstrating against UK".
    >What I don't get is how those that burn flags think that act in itself
    >conveys any kind of message at all. It flat doesn't. At least the
    >sign-wavers are expressing an idea. Being anti-UK-in-all-ways by
    >burning a flag doesn't pass a test of seriousness.

Retired Teacher, Terrible Mechanic, Worse Plumber!
LPFM Page: http://home.att.net/~optcamel/fmradio.htm

Alan Pollock

[email protected] wrote:
    > Reid <[email protected]> writes:

    > > Re the first days demos, my radio station is discussing at some
    > > length how someone burning a US flag was a terrible disgrace and
    > > the Americans will be very upset.
    > > Will they? If I see a union flag being burnt I just think, "oh
    > > theres someone demonstrating against UK".

    > Me too. Big difference though. Americans are taught in school to
    > worship their flag, from a very young and impressionable age! (Or
    > that's the impression we get in Europe anyway...) Whereas the UK flag
    > is just used for underwear, tea towels, football, decoration on cars,
    > etc, and nobody really gives a toss what's done with it.

snip

"Is Burning 'Old Glory' Free Speech?

by Silvio Carrillo
Thursday, January 27, 2000

Desecration of the American flag by burning is a particularly provocative
insult: in a country that prides itself on freedom of speech, flag-burning is
meant to test that freedom to its limits. There is currently nothing in the
Constitution's definition of freedom of expression that expressly declares
flag-burning illegal.

But many consider this a clear distortion of what the founding fathers fought
for in the first place. So how should patriotic Americans react to an act that
is intended to provoke some sort of reaction? Should an amendment be added to
the constitution forbidding desecration of our national symbol? Or should they
turn the other cheek, since such an amendment be a gratuitous desecration of
the constitution itself?

At the 1984 Republican National Convention in Dallas, protestor Gregory Lee
Johnson burned an American flag in front of Dallas City Hall. Johnson was
charged and convicted with desecration of a venerated object. The Texas Court
of Criminal Appeals overturned the conviction in 1988 and the Supreme Court
took up the issue the following year. In Texas v. Johnson, the Supreme Court
upheld the decision that burning the flag was a form of free speech.

In 1990, Congress passed the "Flag Protection Act" which imposed a federal ban
on flag desecration. Senators opposing bans on flag-burning included Vietnam
Veteran Bob Kerry, whose record as a war hero has brought other Democrats
around. This Act was later struck down by the Supreme Court in U.S. v.
Eichman. Congress has made four attempts since 1995 to circumvent the Supreme
Court's rulings by trying to enact a constitutional amendment banning
desecration of the flag. None have passed."

snip

(it goes on)

That's an excerpt from the article at:

http://speakout.com/activism/issue_briefs/1144b-1.html

Found through google in approx .00000001 seconds. Nex

Keeger

Dan Stephenson <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Hey you bozos, it's Dubya, not Dubbya. Sheesh, y'all probly use a 'u'
    >in color, too. <chuckle>

     Then is it nucular or nucoular?

K

Miguel Cruz

127.0.0.1 <127.0.0.1> wrote:
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >> Me too. Big difference though. Americans are taught in school to
    >> worship their flag, from a very young and impressionable age! (Or that's
    >> the impression we get in Europe anyway...) Whereas the UK flag is just
    >> used for underwear, tea towels, football, decoration on cars, etc, and
    >> nobody really gives a toss what's done with it.
    > another reason that the UK is a joke

Yes, nothing makes a country more successful and serious tham mindless
obeisance to a piece of colored cloth. Truly the high-water mark of human
advancement.

When you give someone the power to hurt you simply by making a replica of
your piece of colored cloth and then abusing that replica, you're really
onto something good. The only remaining step between you and enlightenment
is a round of Jamaican Voodoo.

miguel
--
See the world from your web browser: http://travel.u.nu/

Bartholomew Jojo

Marie Lewis wrote:
    >
    > In article <201120030700381371%[email protected]>, Dan Stephenson
    > <[email protected]> writes
    > >Now guys, Blair is the BEST danged speaker I have ever ever seen. Wow!
    >
    > Well, we have a lot better than he.
    > --
    > Marie Lewis

You have a lot better speakers than Blair has? Is that
what you meant? Or have you made a serious grammatical
error -- AGAIN?