DTel: Gibraltar defiantly celebrates 300 years of British ownership
Aug 8th 2004, 8:30 pm
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Re: Gibraltar defiantly celebrates 300 years of British ownership
Following up to Jesper Lauridsen
>> Lets swop Gibraltar for Mallorca and really piss off all the
>> Germans who move there :-)
>Why should that bother the Germans?
Which German politician was it who joked about making Mallorca
part of Germany? I cant remember but I'm sure all the expat
Germans would love to see the Union Flag hoisted.
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>> Lets swop Gibraltar for Mallorca and really piss off all the
>> Germans who move there :-)
>Why should that bother the Germans?
Which German politician was it who joked about making Mallorca
part of Germany? I cant remember but I'm sure all the expat
Germans would love to see the Union Flag hoisted.
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Aug 8th 2004, 8:36 pm
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Re: Gibraltar defiantly celebrates 300 years of British ownership
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 09:30:22 +0100, The Reids wrote:
> Following up to [email protected]
>
>>>They were? I should think the "Berliner Ring" autobahn is the prototype for
>>>all of the above.
>>Wagner's Das Ring predates all of them.
>
> But I cant drive my BMW on that, its cycle only.
Groan!
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> Following up to [email protected]
>
>>>They were? I should think the "Berliner Ring" autobahn is the prototype for
>>>all of the above.
>>Wagner's Das Ring predates all of them.
>
> But I cant drive my BMW on that, its cycle only.
Groan!
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Aug 8th 2004, 8:38 pm
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Re: Gibraltar defiantly celebrates 300 years of British ownership
On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 10:28:23 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 21:00:52 +0200, Wolfgang Schwanke <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>[email protected] wrote in
>>news:[email protected] m:
>>> and the Koln/Cologne and Munich ring roads that were the prototype for
>>> the M25,
>>They were? I should think the "Berliner Ring" autobahn is the prototype for
>>all of the above.
>
> Wagner's Das Ring predates all of them.
*Der* Ring...
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> On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 21:00:52 +0200, Wolfgang Schwanke <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>[email protected] wrote in
>>news:[email protected] m:
>>> and the Koln/Cologne and Munich ring roads that were the prototype for
>>> the M25,
>>They were? I should think the "Berliner Ring" autobahn is the prototype for
>>all of the above.
>
> Wagner's Das Ring predates all of them.
*Der* Ring...
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Aug 8th 2004, 9:35 pm
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Re: Gibraltar defiantly celebrates 300 years of British ownership
The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
>You don't expect us to live on fish and chips and shepherds pie
>do you? Modern British cooking is full of influences from
>everywhere. But its not microwaved from Sainsburys, although
>there is not shortage of people who do that.
Fair point. There is British haute cuisine: microwave meals from
Mark's and Spencer's.
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>You don't expect us to live on fish and chips and shepherds pie
>do you? Modern British cooking is full of influences from
>everywhere. But its not microwaved from Sainsburys, although
>there is not shortage of people who do that.
Fair point. There is British haute cuisine: microwave meals from
Mark's and Spencer's.
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Aug 8th 2004, 9:56 pm
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Re: Gibraltar defiantly celebrates 300 years of British ownership
Following up to Padraig Breathnach
>>You don't expect us to live on fish and chips and shepherds pie
>>do you? Modern British cooking is full of influences from
>>everywhere. But its not microwaved from Sainsburys, although
>>there is not shortage of people who do that.
>Fair point. There is British haute cuisine: microwave meals from
>Mark's and Spencer's.
Ah, but most of us have woken up to the idea that good food does
not start and end in La belle France!
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>>You don't expect us to live on fish and chips and shepherds pie
>>do you? Modern British cooking is full of influences from
>>everywhere. But its not microwaved from Sainsburys, although
>>there is not shortage of people who do that.
>Fair point. There is British haute cuisine: microwave meals from
>Mark's and Spencer's.
Ah, but most of us have woken up to the idea that good food does
not start and end in La belle France!
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Aug 8th 2004, 9:56 pm
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Re: Gibraltar defiantly celebrates 300 years of British ownership
Following up to Tim Challenger
>>>Wagner's Das Ring predates all of them.
>>
>> But I cant drive my BMW on that, its cycle only.
>Groan!
No, that's Gormenghast, did you mean Siegfrieg?
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>>>Wagner's Das Ring predates all of them.
>>
>> But I cant drive my BMW on that, its cycle only.
>Groan!
No, that's Gormenghast, did you mean Siegfrieg?
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Aug 9th 2004, 7:36 am
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Re: Gibraltar defiantly celebrates 300 years of British ownership
"Keith Willshaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Klishpov" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
[snip]
> No sir the treaty does not say that. It says that if Britain
> decides to sell the rock Spain must get first refusal.
>
> The wording is:
>
> "And in case it shall hereafter seem meet to the Crown of Great Britain
> to grant , sell or by any means to alienate therefrom the propriety
> of the said town of Gibraltar, it is hereby agreed and concluded that
> the preference of having the sale shall always be given to the
> Crown of Spain before any others."
Hmmmmm. Is there a "crown of spain" anymore? Furthermore, if the
British Crown ever "goes away" do ya suppose that means they can't
transfer it to the State of England (or some such designation) without
first offering it to the "Crown of Spain"?
[snip]
> Note also that the treaty states
>
> "And Her Britannic Majesty, at the request of the Catholic King,
> does consent and agree, that no leave shall be given under
> any pretence whatsoever, either to Jews or Moors, to reside
> or have their dwellings in the said town of Gibraltar;"
>
> So do you think this racist, anti-semitic clause is enforceable ?
>
By whom? Her Majesty is duty bound to honor the terms of the treaty.
Now, what assests does Her Majesty still control that she could
use to enforce said agreement? The Parliment may be restricted from
enforcing such a clause. For that matter, the crown may have entered
into conflicting treaties (depending upon whom the various EU
treaties are with).
[snip]
> "Klishpov" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
[snip]
> No sir the treaty does not say that. It says that if Britain
> decides to sell the rock Spain must get first refusal.
>
> The wording is:
>
> "And in case it shall hereafter seem meet to the Crown of Great Britain
> to grant , sell or by any means to alienate therefrom the propriety
> of the said town of Gibraltar, it is hereby agreed and concluded that
> the preference of having the sale shall always be given to the
> Crown of Spain before any others."
Hmmmmm. Is there a "crown of spain" anymore? Furthermore, if the
British Crown ever "goes away" do ya suppose that means they can't
transfer it to the State of England (or some such designation) without
first offering it to the "Crown of Spain"?
[snip]
> Note also that the treaty states
>
> "And Her Britannic Majesty, at the request of the Catholic King,
> does consent and agree, that no leave shall be given under
> any pretence whatsoever, either to Jews or Moors, to reside
> or have their dwellings in the said town of Gibraltar;"
>
> So do you think this racist, anti-semitic clause is enforceable ?
>
By whom? Her Majesty is duty bound to honor the terms of the treaty.
Now, what assests does Her Majesty still control that she could
use to enforce said agreement? The Parliment may be restricted from
enforcing such a clause. For that matter, the crown may have entered
into conflicting treaties (depending upon whom the various EU
treaties are with).
[snip]
Aug 9th 2004, 8:16 am
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Re: Gibraltar defiantly celebrates 300 years of British ownership
"me" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] m...
> Hmmmmm. Is there a "crown of spain" anymore?
There certainly is. Speaking as a republican, I have to give credit where
credit's due - if Spain became a republic tomorrow, it would be an entirely
rational act to vote in King Juan Carlos as president. He is a man of
considerable courage who, when Francoists attempted to stage a coup in the
early years of his reign, immediately appeared on television in uniform and
ordered the army to remain loyal to the elected government.
> > Note also that the treaty states
> >
> > "And Her Britannic Majesty, at the request of the Catholic King,
> > does consent and agree, that no leave shall be given under
> > any pretence whatsoever, either to Jews or Moors, to reside
> > or have their dwellings in the said town of Gibraltar;"
> >
> > So do you think this racist, anti-semitic clause is enforceable ?
No! This filth conflicts with modern British and Spanish law.
Alan Harrison
news:[email protected] m...
> Hmmmmm. Is there a "crown of spain" anymore?
There certainly is. Speaking as a republican, I have to give credit where
credit's due - if Spain became a republic tomorrow, it would be an entirely
rational act to vote in King Juan Carlos as president. He is a man of
considerable courage who, when Francoists attempted to stage a coup in the
early years of his reign, immediately appeared on television in uniform and
ordered the army to remain loyal to the elected government.
> > Note also that the treaty states
> >
> > "And Her Britannic Majesty, at the request of the Catholic King,
> > does consent and agree, that no leave shall be given under
> > any pretence whatsoever, either to Jews or Moors, to reside
> > or have their dwellings in the said town of Gibraltar;"
> >
> > So do you think this racist, anti-semitic clause is enforceable ?
No! This filth conflicts with modern British and Spanish law.
Alan Harrison
Aug 9th 2004, 10:36 am
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Re: Gibraltar defiantly celebrates 300 years of British ownership
"me" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] m...
> "Keith Willshaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > "Klishpov" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> [snip]
> > No sir the treaty does not say that. It says that if Britain
> > decides to sell the rock Spain must get first refusal.
> >
> > The wording is:
> >
> > "And in case it shall hereafter seem meet to the Crown of Great Britain
> > to grant , sell or by any means to alienate therefrom the propriety
> > of the said town of Gibraltar, it is hereby agreed and concluded that
> > the preference of having the sale shall always be given to the
> > Crown of Spain before any others."
> Hmmmmm. Is there a "crown of spain" anymore?
King Carlos probably thinks so as do the Spanis parliament.
> Furthermore, if the
> British Crown ever "goes away" do ya suppose that means they can't
> transfer it to the State of England (or some such designation) without
> first offering it to the "Crown of Spain"?
There's plenty of precedent for replacing republic of 'x'
in place of crown of 'x'
> [snip]
> > Note also that the treaty states
> >
> > "And Her Britannic Majesty, at the request of the Catholic King,
> > does consent and agree, that no leave shall be given under
> > any pretence whatsoever, either to Jews or Moors, to reside
> > or have their dwellings in the said town of Gibraltar;"
> >
> > So do you think this racist, anti-semitic clause is enforceable ?
> >
> By whom? Her Majesty is duty bound to honor the terms of the treaty.
No sir she isnt. English common law has priority, the last Monarch to think
otherwise was James II, he was lucky to escape with his head on
his shoulders.
> Now, what assests does Her Majesty still control that she could
> use to enforce said agreement?
Nary a one.
> The Parliment may be restricted from
> enforcing such a clause. For that matter, the crown may have entered
> into conflicting treaties (depending upon whom the various EU
> treaties are with).
Even without such that clause was unenforceable (and unenforced)
from the moment of its signature.
Keith
news:[email protected] m...
> "Keith Willshaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> > "Klishpov" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> [snip]
> > No sir the treaty does not say that. It says that if Britain
> > decides to sell the rock Spain must get first refusal.
> >
> > The wording is:
> >
> > "And in case it shall hereafter seem meet to the Crown of Great Britain
> > to grant , sell or by any means to alienate therefrom the propriety
> > of the said town of Gibraltar, it is hereby agreed and concluded that
> > the preference of having the sale shall always be given to the
> > Crown of Spain before any others."
> Hmmmmm. Is there a "crown of spain" anymore?
King Carlos probably thinks so as do the Spanis parliament.
> Furthermore, if the
> British Crown ever "goes away" do ya suppose that means they can't
> transfer it to the State of England (or some such designation) without
> first offering it to the "Crown of Spain"?
There's plenty of precedent for replacing republic of 'x'
in place of crown of 'x'
> [snip]
> > Note also that the treaty states
> >
> > "And Her Britannic Majesty, at the request of the Catholic King,
> > does consent and agree, that no leave shall be given under
> > any pretence whatsoever, either to Jews or Moors, to reside
> > or have their dwellings in the said town of Gibraltar;"
> >
> > So do you think this racist, anti-semitic clause is enforceable ?
> >
> By whom? Her Majesty is duty bound to honor the terms of the treaty.
No sir she isnt. English common law has priority, the last Monarch to think
otherwise was James II, he was lucky to escape with his head on
his shoulders.
> Now, what assests does Her Majesty still control that she could
> use to enforce said agreement?
Nary a one.
> The Parliment may be restricted from
> enforcing such a clause. For that matter, the crown may have entered
> into conflicting treaties (depending upon whom the various EU
> treaties are with).
Even without such that clause was unenforceable (and unenforced)
from the moment of its signature.
Keith
Aug 9th 2004, 8:16 pm
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Following up to me
>Hmmmmm. Is there a "crown of spain" anymore?
Juan Carlos.
>Furthermore, if the
>British Crown ever "goes away" do ya suppose that means they can't
>transfer it to the State of England (or some such designation) without
>first offering it to the "Crown of Spain"?
Should we become a republic I assume some act would transfer the
crown to the state. You could then spent a hundred years deciding
if that meant Gibraltar should be offered to Spain.
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>Hmmmmm. Is there a "crown of spain" anymore?
Juan Carlos.
>Furthermore, if the
>British Crown ever "goes away" do ya suppose that means they can't
>transfer it to the State of England (or some such designation) without
>first offering it to the "Crown of Spain"?
Should we become a republic I assume some act would transfer the
crown to the state. You could then spent a hundred years deciding
if that meant Gibraltar should be offered to Spain.
--
Mike Reid
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Aug 9th 2004, 8:16 pm
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Following up to Alan Harrison
>There certainly is. Speaking as a republican, I have to give credit where
>credit's due - if Spain became a republic tomorrow, it would be an entirely
>rational act to vote in King Juan Carlos as president. He is a man of
>considerable courage who, when Francoists attempted to stage a coup in the
>early years of his reign, immediately appeared on television in uniform and
>ordered the army to remain loyal to the elected government.
...having rung up the generals to remind them where their loyalty
lay.
Probably one of the most popular men in Spain.
At that time the leader of the communist party said "we are all
monarchists now"
"http://www./fell-walker.co.uk/spain.htm#history"
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>There certainly is. Speaking as a republican, I have to give credit where
>credit's due - if Spain became a republic tomorrow, it would be an entirely
>rational act to vote in King Juan Carlos as president. He is a man of
>considerable courage who, when Francoists attempted to stage a coup in the
>early years of his reign, immediately appeared on television in uniform and
>ordered the army to remain loyal to the elected government.
...having rung up the generals to remind them where their loyalty
lay.
Probably one of the most popular men in Spain.
At that time the leader of the communist party said "we are all
monarchists now"
"http://www./fell-walker.co.uk/spain.htm#history"
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
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Aug 9th 2004, 8:37 pm
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Re: Gibraltar defiantly celebrates 300 years of British ownership
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:16:37 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to me
>>Hmmmmm. Is there a "crown of spain" anymore?
>Juan Carlos.
>>Furthermore, if the
>>British Crown ever "goes away" do ya suppose that means they can't
>>transfer it to the State of England (or some such designation) without
>>first offering it to the "Crown of Spain"?
>Should we become a republic I assume some act would transfer the
>crown to the state. You could then spent a hundred years deciding
>if that meant Gibraltar should be offered to Spain.
Swapping Prince Charles for Gibraltar seems a good deal :-)
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to me
>>Hmmmmm. Is there a "crown of spain" anymore?
>Juan Carlos.
>>Furthermore, if the
>>British Crown ever "goes away" do ya suppose that means they can't
>>transfer it to the State of England (or some such designation) without
>>first offering it to the "Crown of Spain"?
>Should we become a republic I assume some act would transfer the
>crown to the state. You could then spent a hundred years deciding
>if that meant Gibraltar should be offered to Spain.
Swapping Prince Charles for Gibraltar seems a good deal :-)
Aug 11th 2004, 7:23 am
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On 2004-08-09, The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
> Following up to Jesper Lauridsen
>>> Lets swop Gibraltar for Mallorca and really piss off all the
>>> Germans who move there :-)
>>Why should that bother the Germans?
> Which German politician was it who joked about making Mallorca
> part of Germany? I cant remember but I'm sure all the expat
> Germans would love to see the Union Flag hoisted.
Again, if the prices are unchanged (and in euro), why should the Germans
give a toss about which flag is flying over Mallorca?
> Following up to Jesper Lauridsen
>>> Lets swop Gibraltar for Mallorca and really piss off all the
>>> Germans who move there :-)
>>Why should that bother the Germans?
> Which German politician was it who joked about making Mallorca
> part of Germany? I cant remember but I'm sure all the expat
> Germans would love to see the Union Flag hoisted.
Again, if the prices are unchanged (and in euro), why should the Germans
give a toss about which flag is flying over Mallorca?
Aug 11th 2004, 9:05 pm
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Following up to Jesper Lauridsen
>> Which German politician was it who joked about making Mallorca
>> part of Germany? I cant remember but I'm sure all the expat
>> Germans would love to see the Union Flag hoisted.
>Again, if the prices are unchanged (and in euro), why should the Germans
>give a toss about which flag is flying over Mallorca?
Why indeed? It wouldn't be euros of course, would it.
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>> Which German politician was it who joked about making Mallorca
>> part of Germany? I cant remember but I'm sure all the expat
>> Germans would love to see the Union Flag hoisted.
>Again, if the prices are unchanged (and in euro), why should the Germans
>give a toss about which flag is flying over Mallorca?
Why indeed? It wouldn't be euros of course, would it.
--
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Aug 12th 2004, 2:31 am
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The Reids schrieb:
> Following up to Jesper Lauridsen
>>Again, if the prices are unchanged (and in euro), why should the Germans
>>give a toss about which flag is flying over Mallorca?
>
> Why indeed? It wouldn't be euros of course, would it.
Well, bars and shops would keep accepting euros, I think.
As long as they could pay with euros, the Germans wouldn't give a toss
about the official currency either.
Speeding tickets would be in pounds, probably. :-)
... Martin
> Following up to Jesper Lauridsen
>>Again, if the prices are unchanged (and in euro), why should the Germans
>>give a toss about which flag is flying over Mallorca?
>
> Why indeed? It wouldn't be euros of course, would it.
Well, bars and shops would keep accepting euros, I think.
As long as they could pay with euros, the Germans wouldn't give a toss
about the official currency either.
Speeding tickets would be in pounds, probably. :-)
... Martin
