Don't vacation in Santa Cruz, California
Dec 4th 2003, 2:58 pm
#16
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Re: Don't vacation in Santa Cruz, California
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:48:02 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:14:51 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Rick J." <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... Proprclr wrote:
> ...
> ... I don't know how it is in Europe, but in the
> ... > States, most people are just one paycheck away from becomming homless
> ... > themselves.
> ...
> ... What bullshit!
>Ivory towers grow like mushrooms...
Are you aware that "most" means "above 50%"? If more than 50% would actually be
homeless a month (or a week) after losing their jobs, you would see a LOT more
homeless people than is actually the case. How many jobs have been lost in the
US in the last couple years? Take 50% of that...
Most homeless people are either drunks, junkies, mentally ill or all three.
>On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:14:51 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Rick J." <[email protected]>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... Proprclr wrote:
> ...
> ... I don't know how it is in Europe, but in the
> ... > States, most people are just one paycheck away from becomming homless
> ... > themselves.
> ...
> ... What bullshit!
>Ivory towers grow like mushrooms...
Are you aware that "most" means "above 50%"? If more than 50% would actually be
homeless a month (or a week) after losing their jobs, you would see a LOT more
homeless people than is actually the case. How many jobs have been lost in the
US in the last couple years? Take 50% of that...
Most homeless people are either drunks, junkies, mentally ill or all three.
Dec 4th 2003, 4:47 pm
#17
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Re: Don't vacation in Santa Cruz, California
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:58:24 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Jesper Lauridsen
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Are you aware that "most" means "above 50%"? If more than 50% would actually be
... homeless a month (or a week) after losing their jobs, you would see a LOT more
... homeless people than is actually the case. How many jobs have been lost in the
... US in the last couple years? Take 50% of that...
...
... Most homeless people are either drunks, junkies, mentally ill or all three.
Make that "Prejudice and ivory towers grow like mushrooms".
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Are you aware that "most" means "above 50%"? If more than 50% would actually be
... homeless a month (or a week) after losing their jobs, you would see a LOT more
... homeless people than is actually the case. How many jobs have been lost in the
... US in the last couple years? Take 50% of that...
...
... Most homeless people are either drunks, junkies, mentally ill or all three.
Make that "Prejudice and ivory towers grow like mushrooms".
Dec 5th 2003, 3:05 am
#18
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Re: Don't vacation in Santa Cruz, California
In article <[email protected]>,
Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:58:24 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Jesper Lauridsen
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this
> :
>
>
> ... Are you aware that "most" means "above 50%"? If more than 50% would
> actually be
> ... homeless a month (or a week) after losing their jobs, you would see a
> LOT more
> ... homeless people than is actually the case. How many jobs have been lost
> in the
> ... US in the last couple years? Take 50% of that...
> ...
> ... Most homeless people are either drunks, junkies, mentally ill or all
> three.
>
> Make that "Prejudice and ivory towers grow like mushrooms".
>
but his statement is solidly based on the evidence -- few homeless are
not seriously incapitated people -- those who aren't tend to pass
through that state rather quickly and find something
this is not to deny that many people have serious housing problems given
the economy and the state of housing availability in the low price range
but the homeless are overwhelmingly alcoholics, mentally ill, drug users
or combinations thereof -- the biggest boost to homelessness in the US
came from a combination of denying mental health care and the demolition
of single room occupancy housing
Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 04:58:24 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Jesper Lauridsen
> <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this
> :
>
>
> ... Are you aware that "most" means "above 50%"? If more than 50% would
> actually be
> ... homeless a month (or a week) after losing their jobs, you would see a
> LOT more
> ... homeless people than is actually the case. How many jobs have been lost
> in the
> ... US in the last couple years? Take 50% of that...
> ...
> ... Most homeless people are either drunks, junkies, mentally ill or all
> three.
>
> Make that "Prejudice and ivory towers grow like mushrooms".
>
but his statement is solidly based on the evidence -- few homeless are
not seriously incapitated people -- those who aren't tend to pass
through that state rather quickly and find something
this is not to deny that many people have serious housing problems given
the economy and the state of housing availability in the low price range
but the homeless are overwhelmingly alcoholics, mentally ill, drug users
or combinations thereof -- the biggest boost to homelessness in the US
came from a combination of denying mental health care and the demolition
of single room occupancy housing
Dec 5th 2003, 4:22 am
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Re: Don't vacation in Santa Cruz, California
Jesper Lauridsen <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:48:02 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:14:51 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Rick J." <[email protected]>
> >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> >
> > ... Proprclr wrote:
> > ...
> > ... I don't know how it is in Europe, but in the
> > ... > States, most people are just one paycheck away from becomming homless
> > ... > themselves.
> > ...
> > ... What bullshit!
> >
> >Ivory towers grow like mushrooms...
>
> Are you aware that "most" means "above 50%"? If more than 50% would actually be
> homeless a month (or a week) after losing their jobs, you would see a LOT more
> homeless people than is actually the case. How many jobs have been lost in the
> US in the last couple years? Take 50% of that...
A lot of people can't afford to put money into savings, nor do
they make enough, period. These people are literaly living paycheck
to paycheck.
>
> Most homeless people are either drunks, junkies,
I question this assumption.
> mentally ill or all three.
It seems primitive <18th century additudes tward the mentaly ill
still prevails. :\ Unlike the first two, people don't have control over
whether they are mentally ill of not. Depending on the severity, they
could get some control over it through thearapy , and medication but
some are just unable to care for themselves. Unfortunately, most of the
mental institutions (in-patient) were closed in the 60's in a sick attempt
to save money, and they were handed to the "community"(ha!) to take care of
them. Well, the "community" fell real short in taking care of these
people (in other words, most people didn't give a shit about them), and
that's why we see so many mentaly ill homeless people on the streets today.
A lot of the drunk people and drug users on the street do what they are doing
because they are trying to escape the depression and stress caused by their
situation. Unfortunately, these people aren't aware of free mental health
clinics, or other social services that could help them, or are just to far
gone to "comprehend" seeking out said services.
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:48:02 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:14:51 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Rick J." <[email protected]>
> >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> >
> > ... Proprclr wrote:
> > ...
> > ... I don't know how it is in Europe, but in the
> > ... > States, most people are just one paycheck away from becomming homless
> > ... > themselves.
> > ...
> > ... What bullshit!
> >
> >Ivory towers grow like mushrooms...
>
> Are you aware that "most" means "above 50%"? If more than 50% would actually be
> homeless a month (or a week) after losing their jobs, you would see a LOT more
> homeless people than is actually the case. How many jobs have been lost in the
> US in the last couple years? Take 50% of that...
A lot of people can't afford to put money into savings, nor do
they make enough, period. These people are literaly living paycheck
to paycheck.
>
> Most homeless people are either drunks, junkies,
I question this assumption.
> mentally ill or all three.
It seems primitive <18th century additudes tward the mentaly ill
still prevails. :\ Unlike the first two, people don't have control over
whether they are mentally ill of not. Depending on the severity, they
could get some control over it through thearapy , and medication but
some are just unable to care for themselves. Unfortunately, most of the
mental institutions (in-patient) were closed in the 60's in a sick attempt
to save money, and they were handed to the "community"(ha!) to take care of
them. Well, the "community" fell real short in taking care of these
people (in other words, most people didn't give a shit about them), and
that's why we see so many mentaly ill homeless people on the streets today.
A lot of the drunk people and drug users on the street do what they are doing
because they are trying to escape the depression and stress caused by their
situation. Unfortunately, these people aren't aware of free mental health
clinics, or other social services that could help them, or are just to far
gone to "comprehend" seeking out said services.
Dec 5th 2003, 5:30 am
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Re: Don't vacation in Santa Cruz, California
In article <[email protected] >,
[email protected] (Proprclr) wrote:
> Jesper Lauridsen <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>. ..
> > On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:48:02 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:14:51 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Rick J."
> > ><[email protected]>
> > >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> > >
> > > ... Proprclr wrote:
> > > ...
> > > ... I don't know how it is in Europe, but in the
> > > ... > States, most people are just one paycheck away from becomming
> > > homless
> > > ... > themselves.
> > > ...
> > > ... What bullshit!
> > >
> > >Ivory towers grow like mushrooms...
> >
> > Are you aware that "most" means "above 50%"? If more than 50% would
> > actually be
> > homeless a month (or a week) after losing their jobs, you would see a LOT
> > more
> > homeless people than is actually the case. How many jobs have been lost in
> > the
> > US in the last couple years? Take 50% of that...
>
> A lot of people can't afford to put money into savings, nor do
> they make enough, period. These people are literaly living paycheck
> to paycheck.
> >
> > Most homeless people are either drunks, junkies,
>
> I question this assumption.
After spending millions this is the conclusion that the NYC, FED and NYC
BID came to. The other one was that there were far, far less homeless
then originally thought.
>
> > mentally ill or all three.
>
>
> It seems primitive <18th century additudes tward the mentaly ill
> still prevails. :\ Unlike the first two, people don't have control over
> whether they are mentally ill of not.
Many believe that it was Reagan that closed the doors to mental health
institutions. In fact, he was ordered to release people in care unless
they voluntarily committed themselves. This was the mandate of the
Federal Courts in a suit brought by the ACLU and funded by the
Tupperware founders.
jay
Fri, Dec 5, 2003
mailto:[email protected]
Depending on the severity, they
> could get some control over it through thearapy , and medication but
> some are just unable to care for themselves. Unfortunately, most of the
> mental institutions (in-patient) were closed in the 60's in a sick attempt
> to save money, and they were handed to the "community"(ha!) to take care of
> them. Well, the "community" fell real short in taking care of these
> people (in other words, most people didn't give a shit about them), and
> that's why we see so many mentaly ill homeless people on the streets today.
>
> A lot of the drunk people and drug users on the street do what they are
> doing
> because they are trying to escape the depression and stress caused by their
> situation. Unfortunately, these people aren't aware of free mental health
> clinics, or other social services that could help them, or are just to far
> gone to "comprehend" seeking out said services.
--
Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."
[email protected] (Proprclr) wrote:
> Jesper Lauridsen <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>. ..
> > On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 06:48:02 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 23:14:51 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Rick J."
> > ><[email protected]>
> > >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> > >
> > > ... Proprclr wrote:
> > > ...
> > > ... I don't know how it is in Europe, but in the
> > > ... > States, most people are just one paycheck away from becomming
> > > homless
> > > ... > themselves.
> > > ...
> > > ... What bullshit!
> > >
> > >Ivory towers grow like mushrooms...
> >
> > Are you aware that "most" means "above 50%"? If more than 50% would
> > actually be
> > homeless a month (or a week) after losing their jobs, you would see a LOT
> > more
> > homeless people than is actually the case. How many jobs have been lost in
> > the
> > US in the last couple years? Take 50% of that...
>
> A lot of people can't afford to put money into savings, nor do
> they make enough, period. These people are literaly living paycheck
> to paycheck.
> >
> > Most homeless people are either drunks, junkies,
>
> I question this assumption.
After spending millions this is the conclusion that the NYC, FED and NYC
BID came to. The other one was that there were far, far less homeless
then originally thought.
>
> > mentally ill or all three.
>
>
> It seems primitive <18th century additudes tward the mentaly ill
> still prevails. :\ Unlike the first two, people don't have control over
> whether they are mentally ill of not.
Many believe that it was Reagan that closed the doors to mental health
institutions. In fact, he was ordered to release people in care unless
they voluntarily committed themselves. This was the mandate of the
Federal Courts in a suit brought by the ACLU and funded by the
Tupperware founders.
jay
Fri, Dec 5, 2003
mailto:[email protected]
Depending on the severity, they
> could get some control over it through thearapy , and medication but
> some are just unable to care for themselves. Unfortunately, most of the
> mental institutions (in-patient) were closed in the 60's in a sick attempt
> to save money, and they were handed to the "community"(ha!) to take care of
> them. Well, the "community" fell real short in taking care of these
> people (in other words, most people didn't give a shit about them), and
> that's why we see so many mentaly ill homeless people on the streets today.
>
> A lot of the drunk people and drug users on the street do what they are
> doing
> because they are trying to escape the depression and stress caused by their
> situation. Unfortunately, these people aren't aware of free mental health
> clinics, or other social services that could help them, or are just to far
> gone to "comprehend" seeking out said services.
--
Legend insists that as he finished his abject...
Galileo muttered under his breath: "Nevertheless, it does move."
Dec 5th 2003, 2:12 pm
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Re: Don't vacation in Santa Cruz, California
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:47:37 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
>Make that "Prejudice and ivory towers grow like mushrooms".
I see. You have no arguments, only insults.
>Make that "Prejudice and ivory towers grow like mushrooms".
I see. You have no arguments, only insults.
Dec 5th 2003, 8:59 pm
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Re: Don't vacation in Santa Cruz, California
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 04:12:49 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, Jesper Lauridsen
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:47:37 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >Make that "Prejudice and ivory towers grow like mushrooms".
...
... I see. You have no arguments, only insults.
And nearly personal experience that I'm not going to detail here.
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:47:37 +0100, Magda <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >Make that "Prejudice and ivory towers grow like mushrooms".
...
... I see. You have no arguments, only insults.
And nearly personal experience that I'm not going to detail here.
