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Do I really need a sleep sheet for hostels in Europe?
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I am heading of on Sunday for a month, I will be staying in hostels for the entire duration and was wondering if I will really need to buy a sleep sheet. I bought a light weight 2 season sleeping bag but on reading an article on hostels.com I have discovered that a lot of hostels won't even let me use this on their beds. Could someone please give me a bit of advice on this and if I do need to buy one, where in Northern Ireland would I be able to purchase such a strange item. Thanks (again) in advance |
Re: Do I really need a sleep sheet for hostels in Europe?
Most department stores and places selling duvets and bed linen will sell you a cotton sheet.
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"Elmosca" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]... > Hi, > > I'm backpacking too on agoust and I have the same intention, but I go to the > Eastern Europe. I've heard this too, so I will bring with me a sleeping back and > sleep sheet. If you don't have one, one easy solution is to sew a normal sheet as > a bag. It is the cheapest solution ;) > aren't you guys talking about what we used to call a 'sleeping bag liner'? Maybe I'm getting old, but they used to be sold at all camping shops, for next to nothing. |
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To be totally honest I have no idea at all what I am talking about !!! I have just
read that if you don't bring your own "sleep sheet" then you have to hire it from the hostel, as I am going to be spending about 30 nights in hostels I was thinking it would probably work out less expensive to just bring one with me. "The Oik" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]... > > "Elmosca" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected]... > > Hi, > > > > I'm backpacking too on agoust and I have the same intention, but I go to > the > > Eastern Europe. I've heard this too, so I will bring with me a sleeping back and > > sleep sheet. If you don't have one, one easy solution is to sew a normal sheet > as > > a bag. It is the cheapest solution ;) > > > aren't you guys talking about what we used to call a 'sleeping bag liner'? Maybe > I'm getting old, but they used to be sold at all camping shops, for next to > nothing. |
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It would be like two sheets sewn together to form a bag.
Robin Goodfellow wrote: > > To be totally honest I have no idea at all what I am talking about !!! I have just > read that if you don't bring your own "sleep sheet" then you have to hire it from > the hostel, as I am going to be spending about 30 nights in hostels I was thinking > it would probably work out less expensive to just bring one with me. > > "The Oik" <[email protected]> wrote in message > news:[email protected]... > > > > "Elmosca" <[email protected]> wrote in message > > news:[email protected]... > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm backpacking too on agoust and I have the same intention, but I go to > > the > > > Eastern Europe. I've heard this too, so I will bring with me a sleeping back > > > and sleep sheet. If you don't have one, one easy solution is to sew a normal > > > sheet > > as > > > a bag. It is the cheapest solution ;) > > > > > aren't you guys talking about what we used to call a 'sleeping bag liner'? Maybe > > I'm getting old, but they used to be sold at all camping shops, for next to > > nothing. > > |
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"Robin Goodfellow" <[email protected]> writes:
>I am heading of on Sunday for a month, I will be staying in hostels for the entire >duration and was wondering if I will really need to buy a sleep sheet. I bought a >light weight 2 season sleeping bag but on reading an article on hostels.com I have >discovered that a lot of hostels won't even let me use this on their beds. It depends on the country you're going to -- and sometimes might even depend on the hostel itself. Some of them will charge you a fee (typically 2.50 Euros) to use their sleeping sheets if you don't have your own, others will provide you with a sheet without any charge. I've never come across a (HI/YHA) hostel that didn't provide sheets to those people who didn't have them, so you shouldn't have any trouble if you don't take one, but you may well save yourself some money if you do. Off the top of my head, here's a short guide as to whether the cost of renting sheets is included in the price of staying at a hostel, or whether you have to pay extra. Bear in mind it was three years ago I stayed in these places, so I could be wrong: Italy: included Denmark: extra England: included France: extra Sweden: extra Belgium: included Luxembourg: included I can't remember the situation in Germany, Austria, Spain or Switzerland. >Could someone please give me a bit of advice on this and if I do need to buy one, >where in Northern Ireland would I be able to purchase such a strange item. Possibly your local YHA office would sell them. I bought mine from the Melbourne YHA head office. I'm sure some sort of army disposals store would sell them too. It's nothing particularly fancy - you could easily make one by getting a double bed sized sheet, folding it over and sewing the end together. Mine has a small folded over section at the top that you put the pillow in (ie, an attached pillow-case). Sleeping bags are too difficult to wash when travelling (hence no-one ever does), and the hostels are aware of this - if they allowed them, then the beds would be germ breeding grounds. Sleeping sheets, on the other hand, are easy to wash and dry. Cheers, Paul -- Paul Dwerryhouse "Why not just have the arresting officer execute you on the spot? If you turn out to be innocent, they can cancel the invoice for the bullet." -- sharkey |
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Robin Goodfellow wrote:
> > To be totally honest I have no idea at all what I am talking about !!! I have just > read that if you don't bring your own "sleep sheet" then you have to hire it from > the hostel, as I am going to be spending about 30 nights in hostels I was thinking > it would probably work out less expensive to just bring one with me. Over 15 years ago, when I was living in the Netherlands, I made three sleep sacks in about an hour by folding three old sheets in half and sewing them up along the bottom and sides (not all the way up, as it's easier to get in and out if you only sew them halfway up). I sewed them by hand using really big stitches, as I assumed they only had to last for 2 weeks. Actually, they lasted for years, and I'm still using one. Barbara |
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"Robin Goodfellow" wrote
> I am heading of on Sunday for a month, I will be staying in hostels for the entire > duration and was wondering if I will really need to buy a sleep sheet. I bought a > light weight 2 season sleeping bag but on reading an article on hostels.com I have > discovered that a lot of hostels won't even let me use this on their beds. Could > someone please give me a bit of advice on this and if I do need to buy one, where > in Northern Ireland would I be able to purchase such a strange item. Hostelling International Northern Ireland state that bed linen is included in their group bookings; I don't know about individuals. They have a feedback form you could enquire directly through their website at http://www.hini.org.uk/hostels.html Scottish Youth Hostels www.syha.org.uk state that bedlinen is provided at most ot their hostels except about three "where you are advised to bring your own sleeping bag." If not on sale or rent at the hostels you could try the Scout Shop in Belfast at: http://www.scouting-ni.org.uk/shop/ Alternatively you could make your own. Directions are at: http://members.shaw.ca/guideforeurope/sleepsheet.html HTH Owain |
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[email protected] (Owain) wrote: > > Alternatively you could make your own. Directions are at: > http://members.shaw.ca/guideforeurope/sleepsheet.html > Or just fold an ordinary sheet in half and sew across the short side and about 2/3 of the way up the long side. I haven't found a hostel in the last few years that didn't provide sheets as part of the bed price or for an extra fee. -- Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar) Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo |
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Don't make a sleep sack from sheets because it will be bulky and heavy.
I bought a super lightweight silk sleepsack from an outdoor shop and it's about the size of a pair of socks when it's stuffed into it's carrying bag. It's great as a sleepsack or a sleeping bag liner. If you're going to tropical climates then the silk will be nice and cool and it's all you'll need. Have a great trip. db |
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"Robin Goodfellow" <[email protected]> writes:
>I am heading of on Sunday for a month, I will be staying in hostels for the entire >duration and was wondering if I will really need to buy a sleep sheet. I bought a >light weight 2 season sleeping bag but on reading an article on hostels.com I have >discovered that a lot of hostels won't even let me use this on their beds. Robin, "official" Youth Hostels (members of the IYHA where you need a membership card) in all countries require you to bring your own sheets or to rent one there. They don't allow regular sleeping bags for reasons of hygiene. Non-IYHA hostels are probably different, I guess sheets are included with most stays. Regards -- [email protected][email protected]+http://www.snafu.de/~wolfi/+IRC:wolfi feel the rain like an english summer |
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Me too. It packs up tiny.
BC "Danny Blue" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Don't make a sleep sack from sheets because it will be bulky and heavy. > > I bought a super lightweight silk sleepsack from an outdoor shop and it's about the > size of a pair of socks when it's stuffed into it's carrying bag. > > It's great as a sleepsack or a sleeping bag liner. If you're going to tropical > climates then the silk will be nice and cool and it's all you'll need. > > Have a great trip. > > db |
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"Robin Goodfellow" <[email protected]> writes:
>To be totally honest I have no idea at all what I am talking about !!! It's a regular bed linen sewn in the shape of a sleeping bag. A "bag" on the top end to stuff the pillow in, and a large bag at the bottom end to stuff yourself in :). You could sew one yourself from any cotton sheet you might have lying around and they'd accept that. Buying one at a caming shop is probably easier though. Regards -- [email protected][email protected]+http://www.snafu.de/~wolfi/+IRC:wolfi feel the rain like an english summer |
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Just use a duvet cover. Or you can try this link;
http://www.ellis-brigham.co.uk BC "Barbara Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]... > > > Robin Goodfellow wrote: > > > > To be totally honest I have no idea at all what I am talking about !!! I > > have just read that if you don't bring your own "sleep sheet" then you have > > to hire it from the hostel, as I am going to be spending about 30 nights in > > hostels I was thinking it would probably work out less expensive to just bring > > one with me. > > Over 15 years ago, when I was living in the Netherlands, I made three sleep sacks > in about an hour by folding three old sheets in half and sewing them up along the > bottom and sides (not all the way up, as it's easier to get in and out if you only > sew them halfway up). I sewed them by hand using really big stitches, as I assumed > they only had to last for 2 weeks. Actually, they lasted for years, and I'm still > using one. > > Barbara |
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Robin Goodfellow wrote:
> > To be totally honest I have no idea at all what I am talking about !!! I have just > read that if you don't bring your own "sleep sheet" then you have to hire it from > the hostel, as I am going to be spending about 30 nights in hostels I was thinking > it would probably work out less expensive to just bring one with me. You mean hostels don't even provide BEDDING? Where's the saving if you have to drag all that kind of stuff with you? (Give me a nice, clean hotel, anytime - even if the bathroom's "down the hall"!) |
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Check this out. Its worth it for small size, low weight.
http://www.dreamsack.com "Robin Goodfellow" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]... > Hi, > > I am heading of on Sunday for a month, I will be staying in hostels for the > entire duration and was wondering if I will really need to buy a sleep sheet. I > bought a light weight 2 season sleeping bag but on reading an article on > hostels.com I have discovered that a lot of hostels won't even let me use this on > their beds. > > Could someone please give me a bit of advice on this and if I do need to buy > one, where in Northern Ireland would I be able to purchase such a strange item. > > Thanks (again) in advance |
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Why is a 'sleep sheet' even needed? Just sleep on top.
-- Dan Stephenson (remove from email address to reply via email) |
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Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
> Robin Goodfellow wrote: >> To be totally honest I have no idea at all what I am talking about !!! I have just >> read that if you don't bring your own "sleep sheet" then you have to hire it from >> the hostel, as I am going to be spending about 30 nights in hostels I was thinking >> it would probably work out less expensive to just bring one with me. > > You mean hostels don't even provide BEDDING? Where's the saving if you have to drag > all that kind of stuff with you? (Give me a nice, clean hotel, anytime - even if > the bathroom's "down the hall"!) I gotta say, I've never had one of these (sleep sheets) and it hasn't been a problem yet. Not sure what I've done differently to some others here. miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu New mini photo-feature: Life in DC: http://travel.u.nu/dc/ |
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Wolfgang Schwanke <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)" <[email protected]> writes: >> (Give me a nice, clean hotel, anytime - even if the bathroom's "down the hall"!) > > Well .. I'd agree with you in principle. :) Another downside of hostels is that > you're locked out during the day, and that they close before midnight. This only applies to IYHA hostels (the ones with the membership card), and not even all of those. Use independent hostels instead, and you don't have to deal with stupid rules that make it impossible to enjoy yourself in the city you're visiting. You also usually pay less, get fewer people per room, and less institutional atmosphere. miguel -- Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu New mini photo-feature: Life in DC: http://travel.u.nu/dc/ |
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"Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)" <[email protected]> writes:
>You mean hostels don't even provide BEDDING? Yes they do. You get a bed, a pillow and a blanket (those grey military style ones). You can also get a sheet, but you have to pay extra for it, therefore it's cheaper to bring one yourself. That's what it's all about. >Where's the saving if you have to drag all that kind of stuff with you? A bedsheet isn't heavy. >(Give me a nice, clean hotel, anytime - even if the bathroom's "down the hall"!) Well .. I'd agree with you in principle. :) Another downside of hostels is that you're locked out during the day, and that they close before midnight. The thing is that for many teens it's the only way to travel at all, since they can't afford hotels on their pocket money. Better making some compromises than not to travel at all, right? The fun part in hostels is that you meet others of the same age. Regards -- [email protected][email protected]+http://www.snafu.de/~wolfi/+IRC:wolfi feel the rain like an english summer |
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Miguel Cruz <[email protected]> wrote:
>Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote: >> Robin Goodfellow wrote: >>> To be totally honest I have no idea at all what I am talking about !!! I have >>> just read that if you don't bring your own "sleep sheet" then you have Yeah, I've read that too. Rarely encountered though. >> You mean hostels don't even provide BEDDING? Where's the saving if you have to >> drag all that kind of stuff with you? (Give me a nice, clean hotel, anytime - even >> if the bathroom's "down the hall"!) >I gotta say, I've never had one of these (sleep sheets) and it hasn't been a problem >yet. Not sure what I've done differently to some others here. Likewise. I bought one from the YHA office before my first trip and I am yet to take it out of its cover. Since then I've been in Europe twice and a few trips in Oz. I usually have a sleeping bag though. -- snail @ careless net | Character is what you are in the dark! - Whorfin |
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[email protected] (Wolfgang Schwanke) writes:
> The fun part in hostels is that you meet others of the same age. Hmmm, my experience has been that you're more likely to end up with a hostel full of loud, obnoxious school groups. Not that I dislike hostels, but it just seems that whenever I travel anywhere, schools have got all but the last few beds booked out and the kids just take over. -- Paul Dwerryhouse "Why not just have the arresting officer execute you on the spot? If you turn out to be innocent, they can cancel the invoice for the bullet." -- sharkey |
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Wolfgang Schwanke <[email protected]> wrote:
>"Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)" <[email protected]> writes: >>Where's the saving if you have to drag all that kind of stuff with you? >A bedsheet isn't heavy. True. Though I've never used mine, I've always had it in my pack. >>(Give me a nice, clean hotel, anytime - even if the bathroom's "down the hall"!) >Well .. I'd agree with you in principle. :) Another downside of hostels is that >you're locked out during the day, and that they close before midnight. That can be a pain, particularly if you need a day to catch up on sleep. Though IME hostels, moreso in city areas, are 24 hour or at least provide a door code/key for you to get in outside office hours. >The thing is that for many teens it's the only way to travel at all, since they >can't afford hotels on their pocket money. Better making Not just teens, though I'd substitute "pocket money" for "salary" :) I apply the principle that the less I spend on accomodation the more I can travel. >some compromises than not to travel at all, right? The fun part in hostels is that >you meet others of the same age. Just meeting others, there tends to be a broad range of ages. There's always people about; I've tried hotels a few times, and whilst the privacy has been nice I also feel a little isolated. -- snail @ careless net | Character is what you are in the dark! - Whorfin |
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Paul Dwerryhouse <[email protected]> wrote:
>Not that I dislike hostels, but it just seems that whenever I travel anywhere, >schools have got all but the last few beds booked out and the kids just take over. I don't actually recall ever encountering packs of schoolies in hostels...touch wood :) -- snail @ careless net | Character is what you are in the dark! - Whorfin |
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
> Another downside of hostels is that you're locked out during the day, not all of them... > and that they close before midnight. I'm sound asleep by then 8-) > The thing is that for many teens it's the only way to travel at > all, since they can't afford hotels on their pocket money. only teens? I'm currently 68 > Better making some compromises than not to travel at all, right? The fun part in > hostels is that you meet others of the same age. And of other ages, too. You're also more likely to actually get into conversations than in hotels and sometimes make friends you'll correspond with for years, whether or not you ever meet face to face again. (done that) You're not going to have your own bathroom in a cheap hotel room any more than in a hostel. And if you're going to be out and about sightseeing all day, do you NEED your own private hotel room? Best of all, some hostels are in castles. Compare the price for a castle hotel... -- Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar) Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo |
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In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] wrote:
> I don't actually recall ever encountering packs of schoolies in > hostels...touch wood :) I did in the past, but didn't have to share rooms with them, and they can be fun at times(in SMALL groups). Nowadays there are many more small rooms in hostels for non-groups. -- Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar) Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo |
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In article <[email protected]>, "Robin Goodfellow"
<[email protected]> wrote: > I am heading of on Sunday for a month, I will be staying in hostels for the entire > duration and was wondering if I will really need to buy a sleep sheet. I bought a > light weight 2 season sleeping bag but on reading an article on hostels.com I have > discovered that a lot of hostels won't even let me use this on their beds. You can rent a sleeping sheet in most hostels, but it's advisable that you buy your own. Considering the state some mattresses are in in some hostels, I wouldn't sleep without one. Regards, -H -- Things to do in Vienna off the tourist path: http://www.aardvark.at/vienna/ Die Wiener U-Bahn - Information on public transport in Vienna: http://www.aardvark.at/metro/ |
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Wolfgang Schwanke wrote:
> > "Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)" <[email protected]> writes: > > > >(Give me a nice, clean hotel, anytime - even if the bathroom's "down the hall"!) > > Well .. I'd agree with you in principle. :) Another downside of hostels is that > you're locked out during the day, and that they close before midnight. The thing is > that for many teens it's the only way to travel at all, since they can't afford > hotels on their pocket money. Better making some compromises than not to travel at > all, right? The fun part in hostels is that you meet others of the same age. That's undoubtedly true - I'm sure I wouldn't have minded the discomforts when I was young, either. I certainly regret not having started my travels then (or would, if "regret" could change the past). > > Regards > -- > [email protected][email protected]+http://www.snafu.de/~wolfi/+IRC:wolfi > > feel the rain like an english summer |
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On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 02:10:38 GMT, "Lon" <[email protected]> wrote:
>Check this out. Its worth it for small size, low weight. > >http://www.dreamsack.com Silk. Lightweight Looks great, but pricey. Between $55 and $62, plus S&H. Have to do a lot of hosteling to amortize cost. > > >"Robin Goodfellow" <[email protected]> wrote in message >news:[email protected]... >> Hi, >> >> I am heading of on Sunday for a month, I will be staying in hostels for >the >> entire duration and was wondering if I will really need to buy a sleep sheet. I >> bought a light weight 2 season sleeping bag but on reading an article on >> hostels.com I have discovered that a lot of hostels won't even let me use this on >> their beds. >> >> Could someone please give me a bit of advice on this and if I do need to >buy >> one, where in Northern Ireland would I be able to purchase such a strange item. >> >> Thanks (again) in advance >> >> > -- Polar |
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On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:37:59 -0700, "Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote: > > >Wolfgang Schwanke wrote: >> >> "Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)" <[email protected]> writes: >> >> >> >(Give me a nice, clean hotel, anytime - even if the bathroom's "down the hall"!) >> >> Well .. I'd agree with you in principle. :) Another downside of hostels is that >> you're locked out during the day, ??? Not the case for most hostels in the U.S. and certainly not abroad. and that they close before >> midnight. Ditto. [...] -- Polar |
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Taking a moment to reflect, Polar then wrote:
| | ??? Not the case for most hostels in the U.S. and certainly not abroad. It's common in the "institutional" hostels, and some of them in Paris. However, most independent hostels are open later, and only close the rooms for cleaning in the afternoons ... the rest of the hostel is usually fully accessible. |
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i only paid about $20 US for my silk sleepsack in vancouver.
db |
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On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 01:11:38 GMT, "Danny Blue" <[email protected]> wrote:
>i only paid about $20 US for my silk sleepsack in vancouver. > Great idea! I used to order by mail from a terrific outing chain in Canada -- visited them personally in Ottowa some years ago - now can't remember the name. Was it Mountain something? Help, anybody? They were great to deal with. -- Polar |
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the name is Mountain Equipment Co-op.
or MEC best regards daniel |
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Probably Mountain Equipment Co-op (MEC) they have several fantastic stores in
different cities in Canada John Polar wrote in message <[email protected]>... >On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 01:11:38 GMT, "Danny Blue" <[email protected]> wrote: > >>i only paid about $20 US for my silk sleepsack in vancouver. >> > >Great idea! I used to order by mail from a terrific outing chain in Canada -- >visited them personally in Ottowa some years ago - now can't remember the name. > >Was it Mountain something? Help, anybody? They were great to deal with. > > > >-- >Polar |
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:53:43 GMT, "Danny Blue" <[email protected]> wrote:
>the name is Mountain Equipment Co-op. > >or MEC > >best regards daniel > Aha! Thanks a lot. Will query them re: silk sleep sheet. They have SUCH a neat catalog! -- Polar |
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make sure you get the right length.
best regards daniel |
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> Likewise. I bought one from the YHA office before my first trip and I am yet to
> take it out of its cover. Since then I've been in Europe twice and a few trips in > Oz. I usually have a sleeping bag though. I've interrailed for up to a month in the past with only a sleep sheet and no sleeping bag, mostly staying in hostels, and had no probs at all. It was mostly August, but I can't remember suffering from cold at all, and you can usually get bedding if you need it. The second time I interrailed we went as far north as the Lofoten Islands in northern Norway and the sleeping bag was still only used about twice. It might not be as necessary as you think to take one, and could save you hefting a bulky item around for a month, Pete |
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