Crime: Southern vs Northern Italy
Aug 21st 2005, 5:00 am
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Re: Crime: Southern vs Northern Italy
In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
> Alfred seemed not to
> believe that Northern Italy could be a wealthy region
I never wrote that Northern Italy is not a wealthy region, just that I
doubted it was the wealthiest in Europe as you wrote.
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> Alfred seemed not to
> believe that Northern Italy could be a wealthy region
I never wrote that Northern Italy is not a wealthy region, just that I
doubted it was the wealthiest in Europe as you wrote.
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Aug 21st 2005, 6:02 am
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:37:17 GMT, "Casey"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Whenever I hear of a story involving petty crime in Italy, e.g. a purse
>snatched by someone on a motor scooter, it seems that the city is in
>Southern Italy; Naples, Rome, etc. Is it generally true that Southern
>Italy has significantly more petty crime than Northern Italy? Please
>note that I am not implying that Northern Italy is crime-free, just that
>it might have less of it.
The purse snatching on a motor scooter seems to be particularly
associated with Naples, but I don't know what the real incidence is.
Any place with lots of tourists is going to have petty theft. Tourists
are an easy prey, and they usually don't want to hang around for
courst appearances, so even if you get caught, you're likely to be set
free for want of witnesses. I don't think the level of petty theft is
much different in Venice or Florence than it is in Rome. (For that
matter, Amsterdam, Paris and London are probably similar as well.)
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Whenever I hear of a story involving petty crime in Italy, e.g. a purse
>snatched by someone on a motor scooter, it seems that the city is in
>Southern Italy; Naples, Rome, etc. Is it generally true that Southern
>Italy has significantly more petty crime than Northern Italy? Please
>note that I am not implying that Northern Italy is crime-free, just that
>it might have less of it.
The purse snatching on a motor scooter seems to be particularly
associated with Naples, but I don't know what the real incidence is.
Any place with lots of tourists is going to have petty theft. Tourists
are an easy prey, and they usually don't want to hang around for
courst appearances, so even if you get caught, you're likely to be set
free for want of witnesses. I don't think the level of petty theft is
much different in Venice or Florence than it is in Rome. (For that
matter, Amsterdam, Paris and London are probably similar as well.)
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Aug 21st 2005, 8:46 am
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On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:58:46 +0200, Alfred Molon
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Besides I suspect that the wealth is less homogeneously distributed than
>for instance in Germany, simply because the average salaries in Italy
>are lower than in Germany.
However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
generations.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Besides I suspect that the wealth is less homogeneously distributed than
>for instance in Germany, simply because the average salaries in Italy
>are lower than in Germany.
However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
generations.
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Aug 21st 2005, 9:47 am
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In article <[email protected]>, B Vaughan
says...
> However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
> generations.
My TOEFL score was 667 last time I took it (which means I answered all
150 questions correctly), but I have no idea of what you mean with
"socking it away"... ?
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says...
> However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
> generations.
My TOEFL score was 667 last time I took it (which means I answered all
150 questions correctly), but I have no idea of what you mean with
"socking it away"... ?
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Alfred Molon
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Aug 21st 2005, 9:48 am
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On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 20:02:00 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>The purse snatching on a motor scooter seems to be particularly
>associated with Naples,
and the Netherlands.
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Martin
>The purse snatching on a motor scooter seems to be particularly
>associated with Naples,
and the Netherlands.
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Aug 21st 2005, 12:34 pm
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In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] (Alfred Molon) wrote:
> *From:* Alfred Molon <[email protected]>
> *Date:* Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:47:10 +0200
>
> In article <[email protected]>, B Vaughan
> says...
>
> > However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
> > generations.
>
> My TOEFL score was 667 last time I took it (which means I answered all
> 150 questions correctly), but I have no idea of what you mean with
> "socking it away"... ?
The phrase generally means "hiding money".
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[email protected] (Alfred Molon) wrote:
> *From:* Alfred Molon <[email protected]>
> *Date:* Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:47:10 +0200
>
> In article <[email protected]>, B Vaughan
> says...
>
> > However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
> > generations.
>
> My TOEFL score was 667 last time I took it (which means I answered all
> 150 questions correctly), but I have no idea of what you mean with
> "socking it away"... ?
The phrase generally means "hiding money".
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Aug 21st 2005, 1:21 pm
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>> However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
>> generations.
> My TOEFL score was 667 last time I took it (which means I
> answered all 150 questions correctly), but I have no idea of what
> you mean with "socking it away"... ?
Your English is better than that of most Americans. Socking it away
probably has some origin in people hiding money in the sock drawer
instead of depositing it in a bank.
Casey
>> generations.
> My TOEFL score was 667 last time I took it (which means I
> answered all 150 questions correctly), but I have no idea of what
> you mean with "socking it away"... ?
Your English is better than that of most Americans. Socking it away
probably has some origin in people hiding money in the sock drawer
instead of depositing it in a bank.
Casey
Aug 21st 2005, 1:59 pm
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Forbes. The Northern Italian alps region had the highest GNP per
capita in the world due to the many small companies in the region. My
guess is they will facing more competition from China in eyeglasses,
silk, and high end sweaters.
If the Italians are smart they will keep deporting muslims enmasse.
capita in the world due to the many small companies in the region. My
guess is they will facing more competition from China in eyeglasses,
silk, and high end sweaters.
If the Italians are smart they will keep deporting muslims enmasse.
Aug 21st 2005, 3:21 pm
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Casey wrote:
>>>However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
>>>generations.
>>My TOEFL score was 667 last time I took it (which means I
>>answered all 150 questions correctly), but I have no idea of what
>>you mean with "socking it away"... ?
>
>
> Your English is better than that of most Americans. Socking it away
> probably has some origin in people hiding money in the sock drawer
> instead of depositing it in a bank.
>
> Casey
>
>
My memory is that the money actually goes into a sock. Same approximate
meaning though.
>>>However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
>>>generations.
>>My TOEFL score was 667 last time I took it (which means I
>>answered all 150 questions correctly), but I have no idea of what
>>you mean with "socking it away"... ?
>
>
> Your English is better than that of most Americans. Socking it away
> probably has some origin in people hiding money in the sock drawer
> instead of depositing it in a bank.
>
> Casey
>
>
My memory is that the money actually goes into a sock. Same approximate
meaning though.
Aug 21st 2005, 9:35 pm
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On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:46:05 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:58:46 +0200, Alfred Molon
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>Besides I suspect that the wealth is less homogeneously distributed than
>>for instance in Germany, simply because the average salaries in Italy
>>are lower than in Germany.
>However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
>generations.
They do this by buying houses from what I have seen. It's not unusual
for an Italian family to have 3 or 4 houses, of which most are
unoccupied.
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>On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:58:46 +0200, Alfred Molon
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>Besides I suspect that the wealth is less homogeneously distributed than
>>for instance in Germany, simply because the average salaries in Italy
>>are lower than in Germany.
>However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
>generations.
They do this by buying houses from what I have seen. It's not unusual
for an Italian family to have 3 or 4 houses, of which most are
unoccupied.
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Aug 22nd 2005, 4:31 am
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:35:48 +0100, DDT Filled Mormons
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:46:05 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:58:46 +0200, Alfred Molon
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Besides I suspect that the wealth is less homogeneously distributed than
>>>for instance in Germany, simply because the average salaries in Italy
>>>are lower than in Germany.
>>However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
>>generations.
>They do this by buying houses from what I have seen. It's not unusual
>for an Italian family to have 3 or 4 houses, of which most are
>unoccupied.
I know families who have constructed houses for their kids as soon as
they are born. They then keep them empty until the eventual marriage.
It boggles the mind of an American, who wouldn't imagine that the kids
might want to live so near, and who might not even want to encourage
it in any way. Not to mention the taxes paid on a piece of real estate
that generates no income and plenty of expences. I recently heard of
someone who bought a car for his 5-year-old son, which is now sitting
unused in an old stable waiting for the kid to get his driver's
license. It's total insanity.
Then there are the couples who are both only children of families who
already owned several pieces of property and who end up inheriting all
of them, and who keep all of them, maybe going to one house for a week
at Christmas and another for a week in the summer. If the younger
generation suddenly decides to divest itself of all unused real
estate, Italy is due for a big real estate bust. Don't buy your
Umbrian villa just yet.
Actually I've just returned from a week in one of my husband's
families unoccupied houses. I love it there, so I'm not complaining
about the opportunity cost of holding on to it.
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:46:05 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:58:46 +0200, Alfred Molon
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>>Besides I suspect that the wealth is less homogeneously distributed than
>>>for instance in Germany, simply because the average salaries in Italy
>>>are lower than in Germany.
>>However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
>>generations.
>They do this by buying houses from what I have seen. It's not unusual
>for an Italian family to have 3 or 4 houses, of which most are
>unoccupied.
I know families who have constructed houses for their kids as soon as
they are born. They then keep them empty until the eventual marriage.
It boggles the mind of an American, who wouldn't imagine that the kids
might want to live so near, and who might not even want to encourage
it in any way. Not to mention the taxes paid on a piece of real estate
that generates no income and plenty of expences. I recently heard of
someone who bought a car for his 5-year-old son, which is now sitting
unused in an old stable waiting for the kid to get his driver's
license. It's total insanity.
Then there are the couples who are both only children of families who
already owned several pieces of property and who end up inheriting all
of them, and who keep all of them, maybe going to one house for a week
at Christmas and another for a week in the summer. If the younger
generation suddenly decides to divest itself of all unused real
estate, Italy is due for a big real estate bust. Don't buy your
Umbrian villa just yet.
Actually I've just returned from a week in one of my husband's
families unoccupied houses. I love it there, so I'm not complaining
about the opportunity cost of holding on to it.
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Barbara Vaughan
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Aug 22nd 2005, 4:31 am
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On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:47:10 +0200, Alfred Molon
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, B Vaughan
>says...
>> However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
>> generations.
>
>My TOEFL score was 667 last time I took it (which means I answered all
>150 questions correctly), but I have no idea of what you mean with
>"socking it away"... ?
The TOEFL probably doesn't test such colloquialisms. "Socking it away"
means saving every possible cent of your income. It probably comes
from the ancient custom of keeping your gold coins stashed in an old
sock.
--
Barbara Vaughan
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>In article <[email protected]>, B Vaughan
>says...
>> However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
>> generations.
>
>My TOEFL score was 667 last time I took it (which means I answered all
>150 questions correctly), but I have no idea of what you mean with
>"socking it away"... ?
The TOEFL probably doesn't test such colloquialisms. "Socking it away"
means saving every possible cent of your income. It probably comes
from the ancient custom of keeping your gold coins stashed in an old
sock.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Aug 22nd 2005, 10:22 am
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:31:52 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>If the younger
>generation suddenly decides to divest itself of all unused real
>estate, Italy is due for a big real estate bust. Don't buy your
>Umbrian villa just yet.
We are still renting, but I have been looking around at places to buy.
With the Italian economy being so shithouse at the moment, it could
just be a matter of time before people start selling their homes to
make ends meet. I have heard people make noises to this effect
already.
If that occurs, then I will consider buying something, probably here
in Liguria. Many of the houses in this village are only occupied for
less than 2 months of the year, and gather dust for the rest.
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>If the younger
>generation suddenly decides to divest itself of all unused real
>estate, Italy is due for a big real estate bust. Don't buy your
>Umbrian villa just yet.
We are still renting, but I have been looking around at places to buy.
With the Italian economy being so shithouse at the moment, it could
just be a matter of time before people start selling their homes to
make ends meet. I have heard people make noises to this effect
already.
If that occurs, then I will consider buying something, probably here
in Liguria. Many of the houses in this village are only occupied for
less than 2 months of the year, and gather dust for the rest.
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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Aug 22nd 2005, 10:23 am
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On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:31:52 +0200, B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:47:10 +0200, Alfred Molon
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]>, B Vaughan
>>says...
>>> However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
>>> generations.
>>
>>My TOEFL score was 667 last time I took it (which means I answered all
>>150 questions correctly), but I have no idea of what you mean with
>>"socking it away"... ?
>The TOEFL probably doesn't test such colloquialisms. "Socking it away"
>means saving every possible cent of your income. It probably comes
>from the ancient custom of keeping your gold coins stashed in an old
>sock.
I have never heard the expression, but thought it was pretty obvious
from the context.
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>On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:47:10 +0200, Alfred Molon
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>In article <[email protected]>, B Vaughan
>>says...
>>> However, a lot of Italian families have been socking it away for
>>> generations.
>>
>>My TOEFL score was 667 last time I took it (which means I answered all
>>150 questions correctly), but I have no idea of what you mean with
>>"socking it away"... ?
>The TOEFL probably doesn't test such colloquialisms. "Socking it away"
>means saving every possible cent of your income. It probably comes
>from the ancient custom of keeping your gold coins stashed in an old
>sock.
I have never heard the expression, but thought it was pretty obvious
from the context.
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Aug 22nd 2005, 10:49 am
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In article <[email protected]>,
Alfred Molon <[email protected]> wrote:
> He is not in petty crime. No risk that he will try to pickpocket your
> valuables while you are in Italy
Only does grand larceny then?
Alfred Molon <[email protected]> wrote:
> He is not in petty crime. No risk that he will try to pickpocket your
> valuables while you are in Italy
Only does grand larceny then?
