Crime: Southern vs Northern Italy
Aug 20th 2005, 3:04 am
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Re: Crime: Southern vs Northern Italy
On 20 Aug 2005 08:00:23 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 20 Aug 2005 07:33:46 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >Casey wrote:
>> >> > indeed he is involved in large crime, much more to worry about.
>> >>
>> >> Not for tourists, the subject of my post. Italians and residents of
>> >> Italy are a different story entirely.
>> >>
>> >> Casey
>> >
>> >perhaps they are involved in petty crime because they see their
>> >politicians getting away with it, which makes it the same story.
>> The mastery of petty crime is a precursor to the real thing.
>but is it geographical in nature ?
The only example of somebody I know being mugged in Italy took place
in Turin.
>Berlusconi (as the man says) was born in the north of Italy and has
>probably stolen more than 1,000's of petty criminals.
A good example of crime not paying?
--
Martin
>Martin wrote:
>> On 20 Aug 2005 07:33:46 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >Casey wrote:
>> >> > indeed he is involved in large crime, much more to worry about.
>> >>
>> >> Not for tourists, the subject of my post. Italians and residents of
>> >> Italy are a different story entirely.
>> >>
>> >> Casey
>> >
>> >perhaps they are involved in petty crime because they see their
>> >politicians getting away with it, which makes it the same story.
>> The mastery of petty crime is a precursor to the real thing.
>but is it geographical in nature ?
The only example of somebody I know being mugged in Italy took place
in Turin.
>Berlusconi (as the man says) was born in the north of Italy and has
>probably stolen more than 1,000's of petty criminals.
A good example of crime not paying?
--
Martin
Aug 20th 2005, 3:09 am
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Re: Crime: Southern vs Northern Italy
Martin wrote:
> On 20 Aug 2005 08:00:23 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >Martin wrote:
> >> On 20 Aug 2005 07:33:46 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Casey wrote:
> >> >> > indeed he is involved in large crime, much more to worry about.
> >> >>
> >> >> Not for tourists, the subject of my post. Italians and residents of
> >> >> Italy are a different story entirely.
> >> >>
> >> >> Casey
> >> >
> >> >perhaps they are involved in petty crime because they see their
> >> >politicians getting away with it, which makes it the same story.
> >>
> >> The mastery of petty crime is a precursor to the real thing.
> >but is it geographical in nature ?
> The only example of somebody I know being mugged in Italy took place
> in Turin.
> >Berlusconi (as the man says) was born in the north of Italy and has
> >probably stolen more than 1,000's of petty criminals.
> A good example of crime not paying?
> --
> Martin
or they should think big like the Mafia.
Perhaps tourists frequent the south of Italy more than the north hence
his impression ?
> On 20 Aug 2005 08:00:23 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >Martin wrote:
> >> On 20 Aug 2005 07:33:46 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Casey wrote:
> >> >> > indeed he is involved in large crime, much more to worry about.
> >> >>
> >> >> Not for tourists, the subject of my post. Italians and residents of
> >> >> Italy are a different story entirely.
> >> >>
> >> >> Casey
> >> >
> >> >perhaps they are involved in petty crime because they see their
> >> >politicians getting away with it, which makes it the same story.
> >>
> >> The mastery of petty crime is a precursor to the real thing.
> >but is it geographical in nature ?
> The only example of somebody I know being mugged in Italy took place
> in Turin.
> >Berlusconi (as the man says) was born in the north of Italy and has
> >probably stolen more than 1,000's of petty criminals.
> A good example of crime not paying?
> --
> Martin
or they should think big like the Mafia.
Perhaps tourists frequent the south of Italy more than the north hence
his impression ?
Aug 20th 2005, 3:14 am
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Re: Crime: Southern vs Northern Italy
On 20 Aug 2005 08:09:22 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>Martin wrote:
>> On 20 Aug 2005 08:00:23 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >Martin wrote:
>> >> On 20 Aug 2005 07:33:46 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Casey wrote:
>> >> >> > indeed he is involved in large crime, much more to worry about.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Not for tourists, the subject of my post. Italians and residents of
>> >> >> Italy are a different story entirely.
>> >> >perhaps they are involved in petty crime because they see their
>> >> >politicians getting away with it, which makes it the same story.
>> >>
>> >> The mastery of petty crime is a precursor to the real thing.
>> >but is it geographical in nature ?
>> The only example of somebody I know being mugged in Italy took place
>> in Turin.
>> >Berlusconi (as the man says) was born in the north of Italy and has
>> >probably stolen more than 1,000's of petty criminals.
>> A good example of crime not paying?
>or they should think big like the Mafia.
>Perhaps tourists frequent the south of Italy more than the north hence
>his impression ?
Lucky for us that there are mercans to keep the petty criminals
occupied.
--
Martin
>Martin wrote:
>> On 20 Aug 2005 08:00:23 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >Martin wrote:
>> >> On 20 Aug 2005 07:33:46 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Casey wrote:
>> >> >> > indeed he is involved in large crime, much more to worry about.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Not for tourists, the subject of my post. Italians and residents of
>> >> >> Italy are a different story entirely.
>> >> >perhaps they are involved in petty crime because they see their
>> >> >politicians getting away with it, which makes it the same story.
>> >>
>> >> The mastery of petty crime is a precursor to the real thing.
>> >but is it geographical in nature ?
>> The only example of somebody I know being mugged in Italy took place
>> in Turin.
>> >Berlusconi (as the man says) was born in the north of Italy and has
>> >probably stolen more than 1,000's of petty criminals.
>> A good example of crime not paying?
>or they should think big like the Mafia.
>Perhaps tourists frequent the south of Italy more than the north hence
>his impression ?
Lucky for us that there are mercans to keep the petty criminals
occupied.
--
Martin
Aug 20th 2005, 4:45 am
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Re: Crime: Southern vs Northern Italy
"Alfred Molon" <[email protected]> kirjoitti
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> He is not in petty crime. No risk that he will try to pickpocket your
> valuables while you are in Italy
And Honest Silvio, as he is known here in North, should be regarded as most
decent and law abiding fellow. It is just the prosecuting authority which is
all rotten.
viestissä:[email protected] ws.com...
> He is not in petty crime. No risk that he will try to pickpocket your
> valuables while you are in Italy
And Honest Silvio, as he is known here in North, should be regarded as most
decent and law abiding fellow. It is just the prosecuting authority which is
all rotten.
Aug 20th 2005, 5:09 am
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Re: Crime: Southern vs Northern Italy
Casey wrote:
>>indeed he is involved in large crime, much more to worry about.
>
>
> Not for tourists, the subject of my post. Italians and residents of
> Italy are a different story entirely.
>
> Casey
>
>
I will admit that despite the general wisdom the only time I have been
robbed in Italy it was in the Milan airport garage.
I did get conned once in Naples to balance that.
Neither loss matched New Orleans though.
>>indeed he is involved in large crime, much more to worry about.
>
>
> Not for tourists, the subject of my post. Italians and residents of
> Italy are a different story entirely.
>
> Casey
>
>
I will admit that despite the general wisdom the only time I have been
robbed in Italy it was in the Milan airport garage.
I did get conned once in Naples to balance that.
Neither loss matched New Orleans though.
Aug 20th 2005, 9:32 am
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Re: Crime: Southern vs Northern Italy
"Casey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] nk.net...
> Whenever I hear of a story involving petty crime in Italy, e.g. a purse
> snatched by someone on a motor scooter, it seems that the city is in
> Southern Italy; Naples, Rome, etc. Is it generally true that Southern
> Italy has significantly more petty crime than Northern Italy? Please
> note that I am not implying that Northern Italy is crime-free, just that
> it might have less of it.
> Casey
Naples has in excess of 35% unemployment. I do not think any northern metro
area is even close.
news:[email protected] nk.net...
> Whenever I hear of a story involving petty crime in Italy, e.g. a purse
> snatched by someone on a motor scooter, it seems that the city is in
> Southern Italy; Naples, Rome, etc. Is it generally true that Southern
> Italy has significantly more petty crime than Northern Italy? Please
> note that I am not implying that Northern Italy is crime-free, just that
> it might have less of it.
> Casey
Naples has in excess of 35% unemployment. I do not think any northern metro
area is even close.
Aug 21st 2005, 1:08 am
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Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
>
>
>>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
>
>
> Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
> Do you have a reference for your statement ?
I did. Why don't you research yourself?
T.
> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
>
>
>>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
>
>
> Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
> Do you have a reference for your statement ?
I did. Why don't you research yourself?
T.
Aug 21st 2005, 1:22 am
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Re: Crime: Southern vs Northern Italy
Alfred Molon wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
>
>
>>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
>
>
> Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
> Do you have a reference for your statement ?
Here's one: http://www.eds-destatis.de/de/downlo...f/dn_04_04.pdf
> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
>
>
>>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
>
>
> Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
> Do you have a reference for your statement ?
Here's one: http://www.eds-destatis.de/de/downlo...f/dn_04_04.pdf
Aug 21st 2005, 1:39 am
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"Tom Peel" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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> Alfred Molon wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
>>>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
>> Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
>> Do you have a reference for your statement ?
> Here's one: http://www.eds-destatis.de/de/downlo...f/dn_04_04.pdf
But according to your source Vlaams-Brabant(Be ) seem to be the richest
followed by 5 other regions. Lombardia being number 7
So obviously you're wrong, North Italy is one of the wealthiest regions but
not the wealthiest.
news:[email protected]...
> Alfred Molon wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
>>>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
>> Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
>> Do you have a reference for your statement ?
> Here's one: http://www.eds-destatis.de/de/downlo...f/dn_04_04.pdf
But according to your source Vlaams-Brabant(Be ) seem to be the richest
followed by 5 other regions. Lombardia being number 7
So obviously you're wrong, North Italy is one of the wealthiest regions but
not the wealthiest.
Aug 21st 2005, 1:42 am
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Re: Crime: Southern vs Northern Italy
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:22:48 +0200, Tom Peel
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Alfred Molon wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
>>
>>
>>>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
>>
>>
>> Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
>> Do you have a reference for your statement ?
>Here's one: http://www.eds-destatis.de/de/downlo...f/dn_04_04.pdf
Perhaps easier to read in English for some
http://www.eds-destatis.de/en/downlo...f/dn_04_04.pdf
Northern Italy is wealthy, but not the wealthiest and the figures are
for 2001.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Alfred Molon wrote:
>> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
>>
>>
>>>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
>>
>>
>> Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
>> Do you have a reference for your statement ?
>Here's one: http://www.eds-destatis.de/de/downlo...f/dn_04_04.pdf
Perhaps easier to read in English for some
http://www.eds-destatis.de/en/downlo...f/dn_04_04.pdf
Northern Italy is wealthy, but not the wealthiest and the figures are
for 2001.
--
Martin
Aug 21st 2005, 1:44 am
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Re: Crime: Southern vs Northern Italy
On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:39:28 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Tom Peel" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>news:[email protected]...
>> Alfred Molon wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
>>>>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
>>> Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
>>> Do you have a reference for your statement ?
>> Here's one: http://www.eds-destatis.de/de/downlo...f/dn_04_04.pdf
>But according to your source Vlaams-Brabant(Be ) seem to be the richest
>followed by 5 other regions. Lombardia being number 7
>So obviously you're wrong, North Italy is one of the wealthiest regions but
>not the wealthiest.
and probably not as wealthy now as it was 4 years ago.
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Tom Peel" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
>news:[email protected]...
>> Alfred Molon wrote:
>>> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
>>>>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
>>> Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
>>> Do you have a reference for your statement ?
>> Here's one: http://www.eds-destatis.de/de/downlo...f/dn_04_04.pdf
>But according to your source Vlaams-Brabant(Be ) seem to be the richest
>followed by 5 other regions. Lombardia being number 7
>So obviously you're wrong, North Italy is one of the wealthiest regions but
>not the wealthiest.
and probably not as wealthy now as it was 4 years ago.
--
Martin
Aug 21st 2005, 2:31 am
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Re: Crime: Southern vs Northern Italy
Lennart Petersen wrote:
> "Tom Peel" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Alfred Molon wrote:
>>>In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
>>>>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
>>>Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
>>>Do you have a reference for your statement ?
>>Here's one: http://www.eds-destatis.de/de/downlo...f/dn_04_04.pdf
>
> But according to your source Vlaams-Brabant(Be ) seem to be the richest
> followed by 5 other regions. Lombardia being number 7
> So obviously you're wrong, North Italy is one of the wealthiest regions but
> not the wealthiest.
>
>
>
Well, without wishing to get into a pissing contest, the figures I'm
quoting were in a magazine about 6 months ago. Alfred seemed not to
believe that Northern Italy could be a wealthy region, so I googled some
data for him., which incidentally are 4 years old, and are for private
household income, so do not reflect other factors such as property values.
T.
> "Tom Peel" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Alfred Molon wrote:
>>>In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
>>>>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
>>>Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
>>>Do you have a reference for your statement ?
>>Here's one: http://www.eds-destatis.de/de/downlo...f/dn_04_04.pdf
>
> But according to your source Vlaams-Brabant(Be ) seem to be the richest
> followed by 5 other regions. Lombardia being number 7
> So obviously you're wrong, North Italy is one of the wealthiest regions but
> not the wealthiest.
>
>
>
Well, without wishing to get into a pissing contest, the figures I'm
quoting were in a magazine about 6 months ago. Alfred seemed not to
believe that Northern Italy could be a wealthy region, so I googled some
data for him., which incidentally are 4 years old, and are for private
household income, so do not reflect other factors such as property values.
T.
Aug 21st 2005, 3:59 am
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Re: Crime: Southern vs Northern Italy
In article <ku%[email protected]>, Lennart Petersen
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Tom Peel" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
> > Alfred Molon wrote:
> >
> >> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
> >>
> >>>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
> >>
> >>
> >> Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
> >> Do you have a reference for your statement ?
> >
> >
> > Here's one: http://www.eds-destatis.de/de/downlo...f/dn_04_04.pdf
> But according to your source Vlaams-Brabant(Be ) seem to be the richest
> followed by 5 other regions. Lombardia being number 7
> So obviously you're wrong,
That ref does not indicate Total Wealth...just 'per capita' income over
a 1 year period. Do you think 1 year of income is equal to wealth ?
jay
Sun Aug 21, 2005
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> North Italy is one of the wealthiest regions but
> not the wealthiest.
>
>
<[email protected]> wrote:
> "Tom Peel" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
> news:[email protected]...
> > Alfred Molon wrote:
> >
> >> In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
> >>
> >>>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
> >>
> >>
> >> Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
> >> Do you have a reference for your statement ?
> >
> >
> > Here's one: http://www.eds-destatis.de/de/downlo...f/dn_04_04.pdf
> But according to your source Vlaams-Brabant(Be ) seem to be the richest
> followed by 5 other regions. Lombardia being number 7
> So obviously you're wrong,
That ref does not indicate Total Wealth...just 'per capita' income over
a 1 year period. Do you think 1 year of income is equal to wealth ?
jay
Sun Aug 21, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
> North Italy is one of the wealthiest regions but
> not the wealthiest.
>
>
Aug 21st 2005, 4:55 am
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Re: Crime: Southern vs Northern Italy
In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
> Alfred Molon wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
> >
> >
> >>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
> >
> >
> > Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
> > Do you have a reference for your statement ?
>
> I did. Why don't you research yourself?
You put up that statement.
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> Alfred Molon wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, Tom Peel says...
> >
> >
> >>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
> >
> >
> > Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
> > Do you have a reference for your statement ?
>
> I did. Why don't you research yourself?
You put up that statement.
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Aug 21st 2005, 4:58 am
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In article <[email protected]>, Martin says...
> >>>>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
> >>> Do you have a reference for your statement ?
> >>
> >>
> >> Here's one: http://www.eds-destatis.de/de/downlo...f/dn_04_04.pdf
> >But according to your source Vlaams-Brabant(Be ) seem to be the richest
> >followed by 5 other regions. Lombardia being number 7
> >So obviously you're wrong, North Italy is one of the wealthiest regions but
> >not the wealthiest.
>
> and probably not as wealthy now as it was 4 years ago.
Besides I suspect that the wealth is less homogeneously distributed than
for instance in Germany, simply because the average salaries in Italy
are lower than in Germany.
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Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal, Egypt, Germany, Austria,
Prague, Budapest, Singapore and Portugal
> >>>>Northern Italy now counts as the wealthiest region in Europe.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Can't really be, or at least I'd be very surprised if that was the case.
> >>> Do you have a reference for your statement ?
> >>
> >>
> >> Here's one: http://www.eds-destatis.de/de/downlo...f/dn_04_04.pdf
> >But according to your source Vlaams-Brabant(Be ) seem to be the richest
> >followed by 5 other regions. Lombardia being number 7
> >So obviously you're wrong, North Italy is one of the wealthiest regions but
> >not the wealthiest.
>
> and probably not as wealthy now as it was 4 years ago.
Besides I suspect that the wealth is less homogeneously distributed than
for instance in Germany, simply because the average salaries in Italy
are lower than in Germany.
--
Alfred Molon
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Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal, Egypt, Germany, Austria,
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