Chinese food in Florence & Nice, France?
Nov 30th 2003, 8:25 pm
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 02:20:43 +0000, Phil
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Gal wrote:
>I am puzzled, you say you are allergic to baker's yeast, malt, oyster
>and chocolate and therefor cannot eat pasta. But pasta contains none of
>these. What is the problem.
Malt in pasta.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Gal wrote:
>I am puzzled, you say you are allergic to baker's yeast, malt, oyster
>and chocolate and therefor cannot eat pasta. But pasta contains none of
>these. What is the problem.
Malt in pasta.
Nov 30th 2003, 8:41 pm
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On 1 Dec 2003 09:06:48 GMT, Valter Minute <[email protected]>
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>In Florence you could try the famous "Fiorentina" steak or the
>"tagliata". You can try to print a list of the thing that you can't eat
>and show it to the waiter and he will help you to choose only courses
>that don't include those ingredients.
>If you want me to translate it for you, I'll be happy to help someone
>enjoying italian cooking in italy
Unfortunately, it's a long list. I dun want to bore anyone to death
;-) Thanks.
>P.S. I love chinese food, but I think that a foreigner should get a
>chance to try local food here
There is always a second time :-)
wrote:
>In Florence you could try the famous "Fiorentina" steak or the
>"tagliata". You can try to print a list of the thing that you can't eat
>and show it to the waiter and he will help you to choose only courses
>that don't include those ingredients.
>If you want me to translate it for you, I'll be happy to help someone
>enjoying italian cooking in italy
Unfortunately, it's a long list. I dun want to bore anyone to death
;-) Thanks.
>P.S. I love chinese food, but I think that a foreigner should get a
>chance to try local food here
There is always a second time :-)
Nov 30th 2003, 8:57 pm
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:50:26 -0700, "Ken Blake"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In news:[email protected],
>Gal <[email protected]> typed:
>> Salad and ice cream are out because they have yeast in it..
>It's the
>> salad dressing that I have to avoid.. not the veg.
>Salad dressing in Italy and France is oil and vinegar--no yeast
>at all.
Looking at my list here, vinegar (all kinds) used in mayonnaise,
olives, French dressing and salad dressing might contain yeast or
yeast relayed substance (because of their nature or nature of their
manufacture or preparation).
<[email protected]> wrote:
>In news:[email protected],
>Gal <[email protected]> typed:
>> Salad and ice cream are out because they have yeast in it..
>It's the
>> salad dressing that I have to avoid.. not the veg.
>Salad dressing in Italy and France is oil and vinegar--no yeast
>at all.
Looking at my list here, vinegar (all kinds) used in mayonnaise,
olives, French dressing and salad dressing might contain yeast or
yeast relayed substance (because of their nature or nature of their
manufacture or preparation).
Nov 30th 2003, 9:23 pm
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Gal wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 02:20:43 +0000, Phil
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Gal wrote:
>
>
>>I am puzzled, you say you are allergic to baker's yeast, malt, oyster
>>and chocolate and therefor cannot eat pasta. But pasta contains none of
>>these. What is the problem.
>
>
> Malt in pasta.
Back of a packet of 'Mamma Lucia Spaghetti Classico':-
Ingredients: Durum wheat semolina.
There is no malt there and I have never had any sort of pasta which
tastes remotely of malt.
Phil
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 02:20:43 +0000, Phil
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Gal wrote:
>
>
>>I am puzzled, you say you are allergic to baker's yeast, malt, oyster
>>and chocolate and therefor cannot eat pasta. But pasta contains none of
>>these. What is the problem.
>
>
> Malt in pasta.
Back of a packet of 'Mamma Lucia Spaghetti Classico':-
Ingredients: Durum wheat semolina.
There is no malt there and I have never had any sort of pasta which
tastes remotely of malt.
Phil
Nov 30th 2003, 9:39 pm
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Gal <[email protected]> wrote:
> Salad and ice cream are out because they have yeast in it.. It's the
> salad dressing that I have to avoid.. not the veg.
Please note that salads - especially the simple green and the vegetable
only ones - are served in Italy undressed. There will be olive oil and
vinegar bowls on the table, and you will dress the salad as you please.
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> Salad and ice cream are out because they have yeast in it.. It's the
> salad dressing that I have to avoid.. not the veg.
Please note that salads - especially the simple green and the vegetable
only ones - are served in Italy undressed. There will be olive oil and
vinegar bowls on the table, and you will dress the salad as you please.
--
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Home page: http://www.angelfire.com/ar/archivarius
(musicologia pratica)
Nov 30th 2003, 10:18 pm
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Gal wrote:
There shouldn't be any yeast in either salad or ice cream, especially
not the ice cream (properly: gelato, yes, I know they're not the same
thing, but I don't think the OP has ever experienced gelato).
Risotto can be made with virtually any kind of broth, or wine,
or even water. It may have anything from mushrooms to meat to
seafood, to pumpkin, in it. But you won't find any ingredient
with yeast (such as bread or bread crumbs) in it.
What salad dressings have yeast in them? Surely not the
vinegar and oil types you'll find in Italy. Do any bottled
salad dressings contain yeast?
> >
> Salad and ice cream are out because they have yeast in it.. It's the
> salad dressing that I have to avoid.. not the veg. Also, I stick to
> Chinese mainly because I'm more familiar with the way they cook it. I
> might be able to guess what sauce goes in there etc. and I need my
> carbohydrates (rice) to function.
> Risotto seem like a good alternative. But what is inside besides rice?
> Thanks to all.
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I thought turkeys could fly"
NEVER SEND A FERRET TO DO A WEASEL's JOB --WKRP
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There shouldn't be any yeast in either salad or ice cream, especially
not the ice cream (properly: gelato, yes, I know they're not the same
thing, but I don't think the OP has ever experienced gelato).
Risotto can be made with virtually any kind of broth, or wine,
or even water. It may have anything from mushrooms to meat to
seafood, to pumpkin, in it. But you won't find any ingredient
with yeast (such as bread or bread crumbs) in it.
What salad dressings have yeast in them? Surely not the
vinegar and oil types you'll find in Italy. Do any bottled
salad dressings contain yeast?
> >
> Salad and ice cream are out because they have yeast in it.. It's the
> salad dressing that I have to avoid.. not the veg. Also, I stick to
> Chinese mainly because I'm more familiar with the way they cook it. I
> might be able to guess what sauce goes in there etc. and I need my
> carbohydrates (rice) to function.
> Risotto seem like a good alternative. But what is inside besides rice?
> Thanks to all.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Katherine Becker "As god is my witness
I thought turkeys could fly"
NEVER SEND A FERRET TO DO A WEASEL's JOB --WKRP
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nov 30th 2003, 10:23 pm
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You won't find malt in Italian pasta. I don't even know ofr
any pasta available in America that has malt in it. Can
you tell us which brands you have run into that have
malt in them?
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Gal wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 02:20:43 +0000, Phil
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Gal wrote:
> >
> >I am puzzled, you say you are allergic to baker's yeast, malt, oyster
> >and chocolate and therefor cannot eat pasta. But pasta contains none of
> >these. What is the problem.
> Malt in pasta.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Katherine Becker "As god is my witness
I thought turkeys could fly"
NEVER SEND A FERRET TO DO A WEASEL's JOB --WKRP
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
any pasta available in America that has malt in it. Can
you tell us which brands you have run into that have
malt in them?
On Mon, 1 Dec 2003, Gal wrote:
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 02:20:43 +0000, Phil
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Gal wrote:
> >
> >I am puzzled, you say you are allergic to baker's yeast, malt, oyster
> >and chocolate and therefor cannot eat pasta. But pasta contains none of
> >these. What is the problem.
> Malt in pasta.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Katherine Becker "As god is my witness
I thought turkeys could fly"
NEVER SEND A FERRET TO DO A WEASEL's JOB --WKRP
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Nov 30th 2003, 10:23 pm
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"Gal" <[email protected]> escribió en el mensaje
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> Looking at my list here, vinegar (all kinds) used in mayonnaise,
> olives, French dressing and salad dressing might contain yeast or
> yeast relayed substance (because of their nature or nature of their
> manufacture or preparation).
Use lemon instead. I always do it and it's not allergy related, but taste.
Can't speak for Italy or France, but in Spain the common practice is that
the salad is not dressed from the kitchen, but served plain in the table
with small oil, vinegar, and salt recipients so the customer can dress it
and their own taste. In that case, simply ask the waiter for a piece of
lemon.
news
[email protected]...> Looking at my list here, vinegar (all kinds) used in mayonnaise,
> olives, French dressing and salad dressing might contain yeast or
> yeast relayed substance (because of their nature or nature of their
> manufacture or preparation).
Use lemon instead. I always do it and it's not allergy related, but taste.
Can't speak for Italy or France, but in Spain the common practice is that
the salad is not dressed from the kitchen, but served plain in the table
with small oil, vinegar, and salt recipients so the customer can dress it
and their own taste. In that case, simply ask the waiter for a piece of
lemon.
Nov 30th 2003, 11:13 pm
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Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
> (Of course, many men cook, too - but
>one generally assumes a woman knows about such things, whereas a man may
>not.)
nowadays that's quite an assumption!
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> (Of course, many men cook, too - but
>one generally assumes a woman knows about such things, whereas a man may
>not.)
nowadays that's quite an assumption!
--
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Nov 30th 2003, 11:13 pm
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Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
>and
>possibly wine (since it's used to start the fermentation process, I
>think).
yeast *is* the fermentation process, all alcohol will contain
yeasts unless it has been removed. Basically, yeast eats sugar
and pisses alcohol. When it gets poisoned by its own piss, it
sinks to the bottom and dies. This is why you have to distill
anything above about 15%.
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>and
>possibly wine (since it's used to start the fermentation process, I
>think).
yeast *is* the fermentation process, all alcohol will contain
yeasts unless it has been removed. Basically, yeast eats sugar
and pisses alcohol. When it gets poisoned by its own piss, it
sinks to the bottom and dies. This is why you have to distill
anything above about 15%.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Walking-food-photos, Wasdale, Thames, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
and same for Spain at "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Nov 30th 2003, 11:13 pm
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Following up to Gal
> Rice dishes will
>be the way to go when I travel this Jan. :-/
Eat Italian in Florence.
Antipasta should be easy to find something OK. Something fishy
but not oystery.
For the pasta course have rissotto, it is one of the glories of
northern Italian food. Rissotto Milanes is just saffron, veal
stock and rice. You can order from the contorni (vegetables) to
go with your meat or fish main course.
Italian food is wonderful, ignore the second rate chinese option.
Pasta is 00 wheat flour or semolina flour with water or egg
added. Are you sure this is out? (Pizza does have yeast).
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Mike Reid
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> Rice dishes will
>be the way to go when I travel this Jan. :-/
Eat Italian in Florence.
Antipasta should be easy to find something OK. Something fishy
but not oystery.
For the pasta course have rissotto, it is one of the glories of
northern Italian food. Rissotto Milanes is just saffron, veal
stock and rice. You can order from the contorni (vegetables) to
go with your meat or fish main course.
Italian food is wonderful, ignore the second rate chinese option.
Pasta is 00 wheat flour or semolina flour with water or egg
added. Are you sure this is out? (Pizza does have yeast).
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Walking-food-photos, Wasdale, Thames, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
and same for Spain at "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Nov 30th 2003, 11:14 pm
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Following up to Gal
>>So you've eaten bread and pasta in the past, but can't now?
>yah. My dr. wants me avoid them for 6-12 months.
>>I'm not having a go, here - you may have a real problem. But I'd like
>>to be sure you haven't been 'sold' these allergies by the quacks that
>>exist by doing just that.
>Thanks.
It does seem to be the fashionable diagnosis at the moment. I'm
very suspicious of it, same as "car fumes cause asthma". Anyway,
good luck with the diet.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Walking-food-photos, Wasdale, Thames, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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>>So you've eaten bread and pasta in the past, but can't now?
>yah. My dr. wants me avoid them for 6-12 months.
>>I'm not having a go, here - you may have a real problem. But I'd like
>>to be sure you haven't been 'sold' these allergies by the quacks that
>>exist by doing just that.
>Thanks.
It does seem to be the fashionable diagnosis at the moment. I'm
very suspicious of it, same as "car fumes cause asthma". Anyway,
good luck with the diet.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Walking-food-photos, Wasdale, Thames, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Nov 30th 2003, 11:14 pm
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Following up to Valter Minute
>and pasta
>is usually the first course of an italian meal, you may skip it and eat
>the entree (antipasto) and/or second course.
I just got back from Florence so its clear in my mind!
Antipasto (starter) then pasta, then main (secundo? I'm
forgetting already!). Three courses.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
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>and pasta
>is usually the first course of an italian meal, you may skip it and eat
>the entree (antipasto) and/or second course.
I just got back from Florence so its clear in my mind!
Antipasto (starter) then pasta, then main (secundo? I'm
forgetting already!). Three courses.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Walking-food-photos, Wasdale, Thames, London etc "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
and same for Spain at "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Nov 30th 2003, 11:28 pm
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Reid <[email protected]> wrote in
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[...]
> I just got back from Florence so its clear in my mind!
> Antipasto (starter) then pasta, then main (secundo? I'm
> forgetting already!). Three courses.
secondo
Sometimes you may have a single course (this is common with "polenta"
in northern italy or when you eat pizza).
And after the secondo, dolce ("sweet", cake, ice cream or fruit), caffè
(cofee) and "ammazzacaffè" (spirits)
--
Valter Minute
[email protected] (the reply address of this message is invalid)
news:[email protected]:
[...]
> I just got back from Florence so its clear in my mind!
> Antipasto (starter) then pasta, then main (secundo? I'm
> forgetting already!). Three courses.
secondo
Sometimes you may have a single course (this is common with "polenta"
in northern italy or when you eat pizza).
And after the secondo, dolce ("sweet", cake, ice cream or fruit), caffè
(cofee) and "ammazzacaffè" (spirits)
--
Valter Minute
[email protected] (the reply address of this message is invalid)
Nov 30th 2003, 11:52 pm
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2003 05:23:09 -0600, [email protected] wrote:
>You won't find malt in Italian pasta. I don't even know ofr
>any pasta available in America that has malt in it. Can
>you tell us which brands you have run into that have
>malt in them?
The way the pasta is processed.. Malt can be in a form of malt syrup,
malt vinegar, malt extract etc.
A phone call to my allergist confirm that spaghetti is not allowded.
It's confusing, 2 weeks into "diet managemanet" and I'm still
struggling to cope.
>You won't find malt in Italian pasta. I don't even know ofr
>any pasta available in America that has malt in it. Can
>you tell us which brands you have run into that have
>malt in them?
The way the pasta is processed.. Malt can be in a form of malt syrup,
malt vinegar, malt extract etc.
A phone call to my allergist confirm that spaghetti is not allowded.
It's confusing, 2 weeks into "diet managemanet" and I'm still
struggling to cope.
