Gal

On 30 Nov 2003 22:53:50 +0100, Emilia <emilia@(dead)easy.com> wrote:

    >Gal <[email protected]> wrote in news:tmojsvonvpj7hj8hrfqoaq8j3tr90f9oba@
    >4ax.com:


    >I wasn't going to "flame you for not trying the local fare blah blah"
    >until you mentioned your dietary restictions.
    >Do you think Italian eatries only serve pasta & pizza????
    >Restaurants in Italy do serve things like beef, chicken, pork (aka
    >protein) with vegetables and potatos. Also in italy there is a type of
    >food called "risotto". It is made of rice. And there are certainly salads
    >and fruits. Oh, and ice cream...
Salad and ice cream are out because they have yeast in it.. It's the
salad dressing that I have to avoid.. not the veg. Also, I stick to
Chinese mainly because I'm more familiar with the way they cook it. I
might be able to guess what sauce goes in there etc. and I need my
carbohydrates (rice) to function.

Risotto seem like a good alternative. But what is inside besides rice?

Thanks to all.


    >If you just fancied eating chinese food... well, you are allowed.
    >

Gal

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:07:20 +0000, Ken Wheatley
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:04:27 +0800, Gal <[email protected]> wrote:

    >So you've eaten bread and pasta in the past, but can't now?

yah. My dr. wants me avoid them for 6-12 months.
    >I'm not having a go, here - you may have a real problem. But I'd like
    >to be sure you haven't been 'sold' these allergies by the quacks that
    >exist by doing just that.

Thanks.

Gal

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:28:07 GMT, [email protected] (Oh, Guess)
wrote:

    >On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:04:27 +0800, Gal <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>Hello,
    >>
    >>Are there Cheap Chinese eateries near the train stations? Before you
    >>flame me for not trying the local fare blah blah..please hear me out.
    >I read your post before responding. I still think you can find plenty
    >to eat in French and Italian cuisines, without resorting to mediocre
    >Chinese food, the kind that is most common in continental Europe.
    >Sure, there are exceptions, but going to Europe with a list of
    >dietetic "no-no's" doesn't mean avoiding the local food altogether.
    >>I have a medical problem, I'm allergic to baker's yeast
    >Found in pizza and some pastas, easily avoided, even in Italy.
    >> malt
    >Mainly found in beer, distilled grain spirits, and in some sweets.
    >Easily avoided. No malt in wine, mineral water, and lots of other
    >beverages.
    >> oyster
    >Oyster sauce is quite common in some forms of Chinese cooking, and
    >thus oysters can be rather well "hidden." Oysters are usually
    >served as a discrete item in Italy and France, and thus easily
    >avoided.
    >>and chocolate.
    >Easily avoided. Not much call for Mexican-style molé sauce in
    >Europe. Pretty easy to avoid chocolate mousse and chocolate
    >ice cream ... and chocolates in general.
    >> It's rather sad because I actually like bread and
    >>pasta, and I won't be able to eat them for a while.
    >I routinely avoid bread and pasta. I have no problems dining on
    >Italian and French cuisine.
    >> Rice dishes will
    >>be the way to go when I travel this Jan. :-/
    >Italians make this lovely stuff called "risotto." Rice, some
    >butter, maybe some peas and ham. In Nice, there's the salad
    >associated with the town, with tuna, greens, potatoes, and other
    >things ... but no yeast, malt, oysters, or chocolate.
    >>Despite my condition I'm determine to make this trip happen and have a
    >>blast.
    >Please don't let your condition close your mind to enjoying the local
    >cuisines. Chinese restaurants in Europe are often mediocre; the best
    >I've found are in the U.K., but I've found good Vietnamese in France.
    >There are also other cuisines that fit your criteria; I've found
    >Middle Eastern food, in which rice is also quite common, to be not
    >too hard to find in Europe. Even a simple French dish like steak
    >frites with salad won't have any of your no-no's. Greek food would
    >also probably work for you, as would most seafood restaurants.
    >And if they put a basket of bread on the table, just don't touch the
    >stuff, or learn to say "no bread please" in the local languages.

One of the best post yet, thanks.

Gal

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:28:07 GMT, [email protected] (Oh, Guess)
wrote:

    >On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:04:27 +0800, Gal <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> Rice dishes will
    >>be the way to go when I travel this Jan. :-/
    >Italians make this lovely stuff called "risotto." Rice, some
    >butter, maybe some peas and ham. In Nice, there's the salad

Ham would be a problem.. the way it is processed. It's on my list of
"Do Not" given by the dr.

    >And if they put a basket of bread on the table, just don't touch the
    >stuff, or learn to say "no bread please" in the local languages.

Good suggestion. I never thought of that. Thanks, again.

Paul Brandon

In article <[email protected]>, Ken Wheatley
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 21:04:27 +0800, Gal <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>Hello,
    >>
    >>Are there Cheap Chinese eateries near the train stations? Before you
    >>flame me for not trying the local fare blah blah..please hear me out.
    >>I have a medical problem, I'm allergic to baker's yeast, malt, oyster
    >>and chocolate. It's rather sad because I actually like bread and
    >>pasta, and I won't be able to eat them for a while. Rice dishes will
    >>be the way to go when I travel this Jan. :-/
    >So you've eaten bread and pasta in the past, but can't now?
    >I'm not having a go, here - you may have a real problem. But I'd like
    >to be sure you haven't been 'sold' these allergies by the quacks that
    >exist by doing just that.

Sounds like celiac disease, in which case even the slightest amount of
most grains will produce extremely uncomfortable results.

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Ken Blake

In news:[email protected],
Gal <[email protected]> typed:

    > Salad and ice cream are out because they have yeast in it..
It's the
    > salad dressing that I have to avoid.. not the veg.


Salad dressing in Italy and France is oil and vinegar--no yeast
at all.


    > Risotto seem like a good alternative. But what is inside
besides rice?


Depends on the risotto. Your question is akin to asking "what's
in 'sauce'?"

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Please reply to the newsgroup

Evelynvogtgamble

Gal wrote:
    >

    > >
    > Salad and ice cream are out because they have yeast in it..

They have WHAT???? No salad dressing or ice cream I've EVER encountered
contained yeast! (And I'm an inveterate reader of labels - got in the
habit when I was married.) Both items may contain egg (to which my
ex-husband was severely allergic), but SFAIK the only foodstuffs that
might contain yeast are breadstuffs, perhaps some cakes and cookies, and
possibly wine (since it's used to start the fermentation process, I
think). Why on earth would they put yeast in either salad-dressing OR
ice-cream? Neither requires leavening or fermenting, which is the sole
purpose of yeast as an ingredient.

Phil

Gal wrote:
    > Hello,
    >
    > Are there Cheap Chinese eateries near the train stations? Before you
    > flame me for not trying the local fare blah blah..please hear me out.
    > I have a medical problem, I'm allergic to baker's yeast, malt, oyster
    > and chocolate. It's rather sad because I actually like bread and
    > pasta, and I won't be able to eat them for a while. Rice dishes will
    > be the way to go when I travel this Jan. :-/
    >
    > I plan to stay near the train station. Any suggestions?
    >
    > Despite my condition I'm determine to make this trip happen and have a
    > blast.
    >
    > Thanks, everybody.
    >

I am puzzled, you say you are allergic to baker's yeast, malt, oyster
and chocolate and therefor cannot eat pasta. But pasta contains none of
these. What is the problem.

Phil

Evelynvogtgamble

Ken Blake wrote:
    >
    > In news:[email protected],
    > Gal <[email protected]> typed:
    >
    > > Salad and ice cream are out because they have yeast in it..
    > It's the
    > > salad dressing that I have to avoid.. not the veg.
    >
    > Salad dressing in Italy and France is oil and vinegar--no yeast
    > at all.
    >
    > > Risotto seem like a good alternative. But what is inside
    > besides rice?
    >
    > Depends on the risotto. Your question is akin to asking "what's
    > in 'sauce'?"

The OP's signature may lead one to believe the poster is female, but no
one with any familiarity with cooking would claim yeast as an ingredient
of salad-dressings and ice-cream! (Of course, many men cook, too - but
one generally assumes a woman knows about such things, whereas a man may
not.)

    >
    > --
    > Ken Blake
    > Please reply to the newsgroup

barney

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] (B
Vaughan) wrote:

    > On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 20:11:57 +0100, [email protected] (Luca Logi) wrote:
    > >Well, here we think as pasta or rice as a first course, and meat as a
    > >second course. You may skip either (a meal with a pasta and a salad
    > >would be fine, for example). But, thinking about it, having a meal at a
    > >restaurant is somewhat more formal that eating at home, so skipping the
    > >pasta completely sounds a little strange.
    >
    > Sometimes we order an antipasto instead of a first course if we're not
    > very hungry and are ordering a large second course. However, the
    > original poster could also probably find a first course that doesn't
    > involve pasta.
    >
    > Also, I've seen plenty of people order a second course only in
    > restaurants.

Indeed - ISTM that except in the smartest restaurants you can play around
with the established order of primo, secondo etc. as much as you want. The
worst you'll get is an odd look.

On the OP's point, one of the strangest meals I've had was in a Chinese
restaurant in Arezzo about 18 months ago. (It was the only place I could
find open after arriving late on a rainy night and wrestling for 90
minutes with my laptop and the hotel phone socket.)

It wasn't *bad*, but it was a very Italianate reading of Chinese food; as
I recall, I ordered Szechuan (sp?) duck and received roast duck on a bed
of overcooked spaghetti.

Tim Kroesen

Watch out for Oyster Sauce commonly used in Oriental cooking then; you
won't know it's there until you already need the Aveeno...<g>

Tim K

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <"evgmsop -no spam"@earthlink.net> wrote
in message news:[email protected]...
... Oysters are certainly clearly
    > identified, and obviously you'll have to avoid "mousse au chocolate",
    > but even without bread (wonderful bread, too bad you can't indulge) I
    > doubt whether you'd go hungry, eating "native" food.

Adrian Sims

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:41:24 -0600, [email protected] (Paul
Brandon) wrote:

    >>So you've eaten bread and pasta in the past, but can't now?
    >>I'm not having a go, here - you may have a real problem. But I'd like
    >>to be sure you haven't been 'sold' these allergies by the quacks that
    >>exist by doing just that.
    >Sounds like celiac disease, in which case even the slightest amount of
    >most grains will produce extremely uncomfortable results.

No. Coeliac disease is an allergy to gluten in wheat, barley and rye.
It's a lifelong condition and onset can be anytime from childhood
onwards. (It's rarely present from birth). The gluten causes the
immune system to attack the villi in the small intestine leading to
severe malnutrition and death in a small number of cases. The only
treatment is a lifelong gluten free diet.

A.

Markm

Gal <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > Hello,
    >
    > Are there Cheap Chinese eateries near the train stations? Before you
    > flame me for not trying the local fare blah blah..please hear me out.
    > I have a medical problem, I'm allergic to baker's yeast, malt, oyster
    > and chocolate. It's rather sad because I actually like bread and
    > pasta, and I won't be able to eat them for a while. Rice dishes will
    > be the way to go when I travel this Jan. :-/
    >
    > I plan to stay near the train station. Any suggestions?
    >
    > Despite my condition I'm determine to make this trip happen and have a
    > blast.
    >
    > Thanks, everybody.

In general there is less diversity for ethnic restaurants in Italy
than other countries, esp. the US and UK, but I'm sure there will be
some to chose from. I've travelled with people with strict gluten free
diets for medical reasons, and while this does eliminate a lot of
traditional Italian foods, there are still some to choose from.
Risotto or polenta dishes, or other non pasta dishes should meet the
conditions you have. I would think that bakers yeast would be easier
to avoid than strict gluten free.

Valter Minute

Gal <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

[...]
    > I have a medical problem, I'm allergic to baker's yeast,
    > malt, oyster and chocolate. It's rather sad because I actually
    > like bread and pasta, and I won't be able to eat them for a while.
    > Rice dishes will be the way to go when I travel this Jan. :-/
    >

There are many rice dishes also in italian cooking (more in northern
italy, but you could be able to find them also in florence), and pasta
is usually the first course of an italian meal, you may skip it and eat
the entree (antipasto) and/or second course.
In Florence you could try the famous "Fiorentina" steak or the
"tagliata". You can try to print a list of the thing that you can't eat
and show it to the waiter and he will help you to choose only courses
that don't include those ingredients.
If you want me to translate it for you, I'll be happy to help someone
enjoying italian cooking in italy
P.S. I love chinese food, but I think that a foreigner should get a
chance to try local food here



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Gal

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:15:34 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<"evgmsop -no spam"@earthlink.net> wrote:

    >Gal wrote:
    >>
    >> >
    >> Salad and ice cream are out because they have yeast in it..
    >They have WHAT???? No salad dressing or ice cream I've EVER encountered
    >contained yeast! (And I'm an inveterate reader of labels - got in the

My mistake. Malt in ice cream. And yeast or yeast substance in salad
dressing.