Tile

thank you very much..
let me add that all flights between SCHENGEN countries are treated like
domestic flights.
so. you leave from terminals and arrival at terminals without police checks
and customes checks.-
I am waiting for people supporting my opinions..
telle me where are the polcie booths between
Munchen and salzburg.. for instance..
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    > "tile" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > pls tell me where.. when have you been to the SCHENGEN area last time
???
    > > come to italy austria france spain..belgium
    > > germany
    > I live in one of the Schengen countries.
    > > and try to find where there were the old customs and police booths.
    > They are very easy to find indeed.
    > > try to find police men and customs officers..
    > > I think all toruists from these countries can confirm
    > > this.
    > >
    > Can confirm what?
    > > Of course.. police and customs still exist..
    > > and have the right to check you
    > > but this can happen anywhere in any country..
    > >
    > Well...
    > > I will add that even trucks are not controlled..
    > Whatever.
    > > police has still the right to check weights.. and customs have the right
    > to
    > > check papers..
    > > but this does not happen where there were borders..
    > >
    > Of course not.
    > > WHERE DO YOU HAVE CUSTOMS AND POLICE OFFICERS ??
    > >
    > At borders.
    > > PLS TELL ME:
    > >
    > > I AM CURIOUS...v !!!!!!
    > You are an idiot.

Tile

I jut said that.
Police and Customs still have the right to check on you..
exactly has they have the right to check on you in a normal street of a
normal town.
I was on a Thalys train recently.. between paris and brussel
there was a police check and there were people
without documents at all.
Police did not do anything..
as there is no passport control.
( even if.. here in italy.. we are obliged to carry always identity
documents.. )
What I was saying is that there are not police and customs booths
where they used to be.
If you cross the border between Italy and Austria
at Brenner pass, you will see nothing more than
a sign saying : republic of Italy or republic of austria.
that was a main border crossing.
now you do not see anything.
the same happens between Austria and Germany
people can very well remember huge lines
at border crossing on the highway.
now this border crossing does not exist anymore..
that does not mean that Austrian Police or German police do not exist
anymore..
they have the right to check on you
you simply do not see them.
normalweise.. they check people on taxis crossing
between austria and germany..
there was a border just outside Salzburg.. so you can take a taxi in
salzburg and in a few hundred metres you are in germany.
but the border does not exist anymore.
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    > > pls tell me where.. when have you been to the SCHENGEN area last time
???
    > I'm in the Schengen area as I live here, travelled a lot this year and all
    > travelling been inside Schengen. And yes customs do exist, last arrival
    > from FRA to STO there was a big search with dogs at exit. And as I can
    > remeber there was custom on arrival to OSL and there are definately
customs
    > houses at Eckerö and Grisslehamn ferry terminals although not always
    > staffed.
    > Simply you've confused Schengen. There are no immigration controls any
    > longer but custom controls are definately possible.
    > L.P

Tile

again. if you tell them they will give you a car with
the Turnpike toll stamp valid for austria.-
there are these stamps valid for one year also.
I booked in advance for Czech and Slovak republic.
they had the proper papers for customs checks and the Turnpike stamps both
for Czech and Slovak republic.
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    > "trallala" <[email protected]> wrote
    > > My intention is to rent a car at Munich Airport, then
    > > drive to Austria and finally driving back to Munich
    > >
    > > any problems to cross borders with a rent a car ?
    > Almost certainly not to Austria, but it would be best to confirm this when
    > you sign for the car.
    > Some rental firms forbid travel outside eu countries, or impose
    > restrictions.
    > --
    > Regards,
    > Vince
    > Truck Driving In Russia- www.coventon.co.uk
    > New website- To Israel By Truck- coming soon.

Sjoerd

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    > thank you very much..
    > let me add that all flights between SCHENGEN countries are treated like
    > domestic flights.
    > so. you leave from terminals and arrival at terminals without police
checks
    > and customes checks.-
    > I am waiting for people supporting my opinions..
    > telle me where are the polcie booths between
    > Munchen and salzburg.. for instance..

You are both partially right. There is normally no immigration control
between Schengen countries. There is also little or no customs control
between EU countries, as most items can be transported accross borders in
unlimited quantities. However, there are still occasional customs/police
checks for unwanted goods (drugs, firearms, etc.) and illegal aliens. This
is quite rare. In dozens of overland trips in Schengen (to Germany, Belgium,
Luxembourg, France, Spain, Portugal and Italy) I have never been stopped at
any border.

Sjoerd

Markku GröNroos

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    > You are both partially right. There is normally no immigration control
    > between Schengen countries. There is also little or no customs control
    > between EU countries, as most items can be transported accross borders in
    > unlimited quantities. However, there are still occasional customs/police

Heh heh. You are not even partially right.

Tile

there is a free movement of persons and things in the EU.

you can buy as many things in one country and bring them to another
country without commercial purposes.
in commercial terms. you pay VAT in only one country.-
nominally.. for a private person.. the country that is selling will collect
VAT.
for commercial purposes.
the country that sells will collect no VAT
the country destination of goods will collect VAT
the company that exports has to file every month a list of exported goods
to the local Customs
the company that import has to file every month a
list of imported goods.
both declarations ( import and export) bear the names of the customers..
their VAT identification number and the amounts of the goods invoiced.
the Customs of the different countries will DOUBLECHECK these import and
export declarations.
in theory.. a private person can buy truckloads of goods.. provided that he
pays the VAT and does not sell the goods.
some goods are still protected.. like spirits and arms. but in this case
there are special laws valid only in the country of import.
In Holland.. as far as I know. there is a LUXURY TAX on cars.. that will be
added to VAT:
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    > > thank you very much..
    > > let me add that all flights between SCHENGEN countries are treated like
    > > domestic flights.
    > > so. you leave from terminals and arrival at terminals without police
    > checks
    > > and customes checks.-
    > > I am waiting for people supporting my opinions..
    > > telle me where are the polcie booths between
    > > Munchen and salzburg.. for instance..
    > You are both partially right. There is normally no immigration control
    > between Schengen countries. There is also little or no customs control
    > between EU countries, as most items can be transported accross borders in
    > unlimited quantities. However, there are still occasional customs/police
    > checks for unwanted goods (drugs, firearms, etc.) and illegal aliens. This
    > is quite rare. In dozens of overland trips in Schengen (to Germany,
Belgium,
    > Luxembourg, France, Spain, Portugal and Italy) I have never been stopped
at
    > any border.
    > Sjoerd

Lennart Petersen

"tile" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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    > I jut said that.
    > Police and Customs still have the right to check on you..
    > exactly has they have the right to check on you in a normal street of a
    > normal town.
    > I was on a Thalys train recently.. between paris and brussel
    > there was a police check and there were people
    > without documents at all.
    > Police did not do anything..
    > as there is no passport control.
    > ( even if.. here in italy.. we are obliged to carry always identity
    > documents.. )
    > What I was saying is that there are not police and customs booths
    > where they used to be.
Didn't I provide you a few examples of where I've seen customs booths and
also customs checks on intra Schengen trips ? And that's just some weeks
ago.

Markku GröNroos

"tile" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > there is a free movement of persons and things in the EU.
    > you can buy as many things in one country and bring them to another
    > country without commercial purposes.
    > in commercial terms. you pay VAT in only one country.-

It has always been so with VAT and is not bound to EU. You are entitled to
VAT return. You have come with this argument before. What makes you to make
a point with it, is just one of those peculiarities of life.


    > nominally.. for a private person.. the country that is selling will
collect
    > VAT.

Buy electronics big for instance and you save a lot by NOT paying for VAT
(if you do pay the margin just indicates that you are simple minded)..

    > for commercial purposes.
    > the country that sells will collect no VAT
    > the country destination of goods will collect VAT

It has been so for ages all over the world.

Tile

you are not entitled to VAT return if you are a citizen of Eu and buy
things in EU states.-
besides. even if you buy with VAT return, you should pay VAT in yr
country.-
to make an example
you buy electronics in Hong Kong
you are entilted to VAT return
when you are back home, you should take the customs lane
things to declare
and pay VAT or other taxes.
if you do not do that.. you are cheating.
there is a fix amount that is tax free if bought outiside EU.- ( and it is
very very low )
besides.. electronic devices should comply with
regulations that are valid in the EU.-
not all the goods bought in other countries comply with these regulations
( nocive emissions for instance )
let me add that tax return is never the complete VAT return, but only a
part of it.
and normally duty free shops have prices that are much higher that normal
shops ( cigarettes and perfumes and spirits excluded )
soooooo
whatever you buy in a non EU country should be declared when returning back
home..
and duties paid if necessary.
Having been recently to Hong Kong, I can say differences in prices are
hardly noticeable.
at home, I have a guarantee.. I can buy the models
that I want when I want.. I can bargain the prices and can choose to pay
with hire purchase.
global markets mean also that you can find the same things at the same
prices everywhere
maybe in yr country it is different.
I have a Nokia 9100 telephone..
I compared the price I paid with its price in Dubai duty free.. that should
be the Duty Free Paradise.
there were hardly 30 eur difference.
( and the risk to pay duties at home.. )
as it looks like, you just want to affirm the contrary of what people say..
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    > > there is a free movement of persons and things in the EU.
    > >
    > > you can buy as many things in one country and bring them to another
    > > country without commercial purposes.
    > > in commercial terms. you pay VAT in only one country.-
    > It has always been so with VAT and is not bound to EU. You are entitled to
    > VAT return. You have come with this argument before. What makes you to
make
    > a point with it, is just one of those peculiarities of life.
    > > nominally.. for a private person.. the country that is selling will
    > collect
    > > VAT.
    > Buy electronics big for instance and you save a lot by NOT paying for VAT
    > (if you do pay the margin just indicates that you are simple minded)..
    > > for commercial purposes.
    > > the country that sells will collect no VAT
    > > the country destination of goods will collect VAT
    > It has been so for ages all over the world.

Markku GröNroos

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    > besides. even if you buy with VAT return, you should pay VAT in yr
    > country.-

Naturally. The point is you pay for VAT ONCE. How can you complicate a
simple thing so much.

Mark Hewitt

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    > there is a free movement of persons and things in the EU.
    > you can buy as many things in one country and bring them to another
    > country without commercial purposes.

Tell that to the UK Customs!

Frank F. Matthews

Mark Hewitt wrote:
    > "tile" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >
    >>there is a free movement of persons and things in the EU.
    >>you can buy as many things in one country and bring them to another
    >>country without commercial purposes.

    > Tell that to the UK Customs!

That is the rule. Unfortunately the "without commercial purposes" is
something that Customs gets to interpret.

FFM

Tim

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    > "trallala" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > My intention is to rent a car at Munich Airport, then
    > > drive to Austria and finally driving back to Munich
    > >
    > > any problems to cross borders with a rent a car ?
    > I know of no German rental companies that restricts travel
    > to Austria, not even with their most expensive models.
    > In general cars rented in western europe can be drivin in
    > all EU countries, plus Norway and Switzerland (perhaps
    > except Greece). You might not be allowed to drive high end
    > models to Italy. Some agencies are not to happy about their
    > cars going to the UK (silly thing to do, anyway).

It just so happens that I picked up a hire car in Belgium
yesterday. I didn't even think to check that I could bring
it back to Germany (I just assumed that I could).
Anyway, top of the rental agreement in red letters (and 4
languages[1]) is "forbidden to travel outside EU/EFTA"
and that's it, the complete restriction, No "must not drive
in Italy", no "must not take to UK" etc. But you can't
take it to anywhere in 'east' europe.

tim

[1] I was in Flanders, and Dutch is the final language,
I bet that doesn't impress the locals

Jesper Lauridsen

"tim" <[email protected]> wrote:
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    > >
    > > In general cars rented in western europe can be drivin in
    > > all EU countries, plus Norway and Switzerland (perhaps
    > > except Greece). You might not be allowed to drive high end
    > > models to Italy. Some agencies are not to happy about their
    > > cars going to the UK (silly thing to do, anyway).
    >
    > It just so happens that I picked up a hire car in Belgium
    > yesterday. I didn't even think to check that I could bring
    > it back to Germany (I just assumed that I could).
    > Anyway, top of the rental agreement in red letters (and 4
    > languages[1]) is "forbidden to travel outside EU/EFTA"
    > and that's it, the complete restriction, No "must not drive
    > in Italy", no "must not take to UK" etc. But you can't
    > take it to anywhere in 'east' europe.

I have a fresh Europcar (Munich) rental agreement next to me
here. According to it, all cars are allowed to drive to the
EU (minus Italy, UK and Ireland) plus CH and Norway. Cars
from the categories Mini, Economy, Compact, Intermediate and
Standard are allowed in Italy, UK, Ireland, Slovenia, Hungary,
Czech Republic and Poland. Standard is an Audi A4 or similar.

Jesper Lauridsen

On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 15:36:22 GMT, "tile" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I do not agree with theft risks being higher in Italy.-
    >as far as I know, they made special borders between germany and Czech
    >republic to avoid transit of stolen cars..

What you agree to is not important. What matters is what the rental
agencies think, and they consider Italy on par with places like
Slovenia and the Czech Republic.