Car Rental questions in Ireland
Jun 4th 2003, 5:26 am
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Car Rental questions in Ireland
I am finding out it is REAL expensive to rent a car in Ireland. We plan on
going for 2 weeks and hopping around B & B's. There are 4 of us, Me
(5'10"), my wife (5'7") and 2 boys, each about 6'2". We planned on taking 1
bag each plus 1 day pack each for hiking.
Avis has a Renault Scenic for $622. To get to the next size wagon, or
anything bigger is almost 2x the cost. Personally, I like a small car (I
drive a Mini), but I think the boys would be real uncomfortable. We do not
have this car in the states, and I am unsure from looking at it on the
Renault site if it will be big enough. I was hoping for a Land Rover, but
that seems way too much $$.
Can anybody help? We are arriving and leaving via Shannon.
--
-Jim
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going for 2 weeks and hopping around B & B's. There are 4 of us, Me
(5'10"), my wife (5'7") and 2 boys, each about 6'2". We planned on taking 1
bag each plus 1 day pack each for hiking.
Avis has a Renault Scenic for $622. To get to the next size wagon, or
anything bigger is almost 2x the cost. Personally, I like a small car (I
drive a Mini), but I think the boys would be real uncomfortable. We do not
have this car in the states, and I am unsure from looking at it on the
Renault site if it will be big enough. I was hoping for a Land Rover, but
that seems way too much $$.
Can anybody help? We are arriving and leaving via Shannon.
--
-Jim
change "spam" to "ryan' before replying by mail.
Jun 4th 2003, 5:40 am
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"jtpr" wrote in message
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> I am finding out it is REAL expensive to rent a car in Ireland. We plan
on
> going for 2 weeks and hopping around B & B's. There are 4 of us, Me
> (5'10"), my wife (5'7") and 2 boys, each about 6'2". We planned on taking
1
> bag each plus 1 day pack each for hiking.
> Avis has a Renault Scenic for $622. To get to the next size wagon, or
> anything bigger is almost 2x the cost. Personally, I like a small car (I
> drive a Mini), but I think the boys would be real uncomfortable. We do
not
> have this car in the states, and I am unsure from looking at it on the
> Renault site if it will be big enough. I was hoping for a Land Rover, but
> that seems way too much $$.
> Can anybody help? We are arriving and leaving via Shannon.
Car rental is expensive in Ireland, period. It's mainly due to very high
insurance costs, which is the result of high accident rate. And bigger the
car, the higher the insurance, almost exponentially. While Scenic isn't a
big car, it uses the space very well. The rear three seats are individually
adjustable fore and aft and with a bit of compromise you should find
reasonable legroom. Also since Irish roads tend to be narrow, smaller cars
are more practical. The price you were quoted seems about right to me. I'm
getting around £200 ($320) a week in July.
Alec
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> I am finding out it is REAL expensive to rent a car in Ireland. We plan
on
> going for 2 weeks and hopping around B & B's. There are 4 of us, Me
> (5'10"), my wife (5'7") and 2 boys, each about 6'2". We planned on taking
1
> bag each plus 1 day pack each for hiking.
> Avis has a Renault Scenic for $622. To get to the next size wagon, or
> anything bigger is almost 2x the cost. Personally, I like a small car (I
> drive a Mini), but I think the boys would be real uncomfortable. We do
not
> have this car in the states, and I am unsure from looking at it on the
> Renault site if it will be big enough. I was hoping for a Land Rover, but
> that seems way too much $$.
> Can anybody help? We are arriving and leaving via Shannon.
Car rental is expensive in Ireland, period. It's mainly due to very high
insurance costs, which is the result of high accident rate. And bigger the
car, the higher the insurance, almost exponentially. While Scenic isn't a
big car, it uses the space very well. The rear three seats are individually
adjustable fore and aft and with a bit of compromise you should find
reasonable legroom. Also since Irish roads tend to be narrow, smaller cars
are more practical. The price you were quoted seems about right to me. I'm
getting around £200 ($320) a week in July.
Alec
Jun 4th 2003, 1:59 pm
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We just returned from Ireland where we rented a Reneault Scenic from
Dan Dooley for $303.46 for a week including CDW, etc. We loved the car
(ours had 2 sunroofs). I drive a Suburu Forester normally. It was very
comfortable and I liked the visability as the seats are very high so
you are in more of a "chair" type position. What I might be concerned
about is that you have enough room for your luggage. We had 3
suitcases - 2 small to medium and 1 large and there wasn't a lot of
room left except for a small soft bag & video camera. We were warned
to have no bags showing on the seat by many people and I have heard of
people having things stolen from their rental cars. It's obvious
which are rental cars too as they say the company you rented from on
the back.
We drove in the Republic and in Northern Ireland without any problems.
Did have a herd of sheep coming up a small coast road but the sheep
dog and owner moved them on by. Some Roads are very narrow (the most
interesting ones) and I wouldn't want a bigger car for fear of driving
too close on the left and damaging the car.
Katherine
Dan Dooley for $303.46 for a week including CDW, etc. We loved the car
(ours had 2 sunroofs). I drive a Suburu Forester normally. It was very
comfortable and I liked the visability as the seats are very high so
you are in more of a "chair" type position. What I might be concerned
about is that you have enough room for your luggage. We had 3
suitcases - 2 small to medium and 1 large and there wasn't a lot of
room left except for a small soft bag & video camera. We were warned
to have no bags showing on the seat by many people and I have heard of
people having things stolen from their rental cars. It's obvious
which are rental cars too as they say the company you rented from on
the back.
We drove in the Republic and in Northern Ireland without any problems.
Did have a herd of sheep coming up a small coast road but the sheep
dog and owner moved them on by. Some Roads are very narrow (the most
interesting ones) and I wouldn't want a bigger car for fear of driving
too close on the left and damaging the car.
Katherine
Jun 5th 2003, 1:36 am
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So do you think it would be possible to fit 4 small suitcases and 4 daypacks
in the back? I do like the idea of the fold down seat between the 2 boys.
I have to admit though, I'm not real keen on driving something French.
- Jim
"Katherine" wrote in message
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> We just returned from Ireland where we rented a Reneault Scenic from
> Dan Dooley for $303.46 for a week including CDW, etc. We loved the car
> (ours had 2 sunroofs). I drive a Suburu Forester normally. It was very
> comfortable and I liked the visability as the seats are very high so
> you are in more of a "chair" type position. What I might be concerned
> about is that you have enough room for your luggage. We had 3
> suitcases - 2 small to medium and 1 large and there wasn't a lot of
> room left except for a small soft bag & video camera. We were warned
> to have no bags showing on the seat by many people and I have heard of
> people having things stolen from their rental cars. It's obvious
> which are rental cars too as they say the company you rented from on
> the back.
> We drove in the Republic and in Northern Ireland without any problems.
> Did have a herd of sheep coming up a small coast road but the sheep
> dog and owner moved them on by. Some Roads are very narrow (the most
> interesting ones) and I wouldn't want a bigger car for fear of driving
> too close on the left and damaging the car.
> Katherine
in the back? I do like the idea of the fold down seat between the 2 boys.
I have to admit though, I'm not real keen on driving something French.
- Jim
"Katherine" wrote in message
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> We just returned from Ireland where we rented a Reneault Scenic from
> Dan Dooley for $303.46 for a week including CDW, etc. We loved the car
> (ours had 2 sunroofs). I drive a Suburu Forester normally. It was very
> comfortable and I liked the visability as the seats are very high so
> you are in more of a "chair" type position. What I might be concerned
> about is that you have enough room for your luggage. We had 3
> suitcases - 2 small to medium and 1 large and there wasn't a lot of
> room left except for a small soft bag & video camera. We were warned
> to have no bags showing on the seat by many people and I have heard of
> people having things stolen from their rental cars. It's obvious
> which are rental cars too as they say the company you rented from on
> the back.
> We drove in the Republic and in Northern Ireland without any problems.
> Did have a herd of sheep coming up a small coast road but the sheep
> dog and owner moved them on by. Some Roads are very narrow (the most
> interesting ones) and I wouldn't want a bigger car for fear of driving
> too close on the left and damaging the car.
> Katherine
Jun 5th 2003, 5:02 am
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jtpr wrote:
> So do you think it would be possible to fit 4 small suitcases and 4
> daypacks in the back? I do like the idea of the fold down seat
> between the 2 boys. I have to admit though, I'm not real keen on
> driving something French.
> - Jim
> "Katherine" wrote in message
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>> We just returned from Ireland where we rented a Reneault Scenic from
>> Dan Dooley for $303.46 for a week including CDW, etc. We loved the
>> car (ours had 2 sunroofs). I drive a Suburu Forester normally. It
>> was very comfortable and I liked the visability as the seats are
>> very high so
>> you are in more of a "chair" type position. What I might be
>> concerned about is that you have enough room for your luggage. We
>> had 3
>> suitcases - 2 small to medium and 1 large and there wasn't a lot of
>> room left except for a small soft bag & video camera. We were warned
>> to have no bags showing on the seat by many people and I have heard
>> of people having things stolen from their rental cars. It's obvious
>> which are rental cars too as they say the company you rented from on
>> the back.
The Scenic is designed as a vehicle to carry multiple children and all the
accountrements that go with them eg prams, balls, bags, toys, clothes,
goalposts, teddy bears etc. Every week you see loads of them heading off to
France on the ferry and returning filled to the gills with boxes of wine and
the aforementioned accountrements. To be honest 4 small suitcases and
daypacks shouldn´t cause too much of a difficulty.
As to not being keen to drive something French well that´s your business....
> So do you think it would be possible to fit 4 small suitcases and 4
> daypacks in the back? I do like the idea of the fold down seat
> between the 2 boys. I have to admit though, I'm not real keen on
> driving something French.
> - Jim
> "Katherine" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> We just returned from Ireland where we rented a Reneault Scenic from
>> Dan Dooley for $303.46 for a week including CDW, etc. We loved the
>> car (ours had 2 sunroofs). I drive a Suburu Forester normally. It
>> was very comfortable and I liked the visability as the seats are
>> very high so
>> you are in more of a "chair" type position. What I might be
>> concerned about is that you have enough room for your luggage. We
>> had 3
>> suitcases - 2 small to medium and 1 large and there wasn't a lot of
>> room left except for a small soft bag & video camera. We were warned
>> to have no bags showing on the seat by many people and I have heard
>> of people having things stolen from their rental cars. It's obvious
>> which are rental cars too as they say the company you rented from on
>> the back.
The Scenic is designed as a vehicle to carry multiple children and all the
accountrements that go with them eg prams, balls, bags, toys, clothes,
goalposts, teddy bears etc. Every week you see loads of them heading off to
France on the ferry and returning filled to the gills with boxes of wine and
the aforementioned accountrements. To be honest 4 small suitcases and
daypacks shouldn´t cause too much of a difficulty.
As to not being keen to drive something French well that´s your business....
Jun 5th 2003, 8:53 pm
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"jtpr" wrote in message
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> I'm not real keen on driving something French.
Why not, French make fine cars.
If however, you are a racist bigot.. I suggest you stay at home and don't go
places where there are foriegn people.
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> I'm not real keen on driving something French.
Why not, French make fine cars.
If however, you are a racist bigot.. I suggest you stay at home and don't go
places where there are foriegn people.
Jun 6th 2003, 12:00 am
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First, the French are not a race, they are people who live in a country,
usually spanning many races. There is nothing wrong with them.
However, their government leaves a lot to be desired. Any show of support
for a government like theirs, that refuses to support the government's of
countries that have offered the lives of their men and women to keep them
free, is distasteful to me. There is no excuse for their behavior recently,
any they did a great disservice to the memories of their countrymen that
fought and died along with ours to keep them free. Their support should
have been immediate and unconditional. There is no doubt in my mind that
if and when they are under attack again they will come begging for our help.
Can't have it both ways.
And yes, I like French cars, we owned a Renault years ago when they still
imported them.
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"Mark Hewitt" wrote in message
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> "jtpr" wrote in message
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> > I'm not real keen on driving something French.
> Why not, French make fine cars.
> If however, you are a racist bigot.. I suggest you stay at home and don't
go
> places where there are foriegn people.
usually spanning many races. There is nothing wrong with them.
However, their government leaves a lot to be desired. Any show of support
for a government like theirs, that refuses to support the government's of
countries that have offered the lives of their men and women to keep them
free, is distasteful to me. There is no excuse for their behavior recently,
any they did a great disservice to the memories of their countrymen that
fought and died along with ours to keep them free. Their support should
have been immediate and unconditional. There is no doubt in my mind that
if and when they are under attack again they will come begging for our help.
Can't have it both ways.
And yes, I like French cars, we owned a Renault years ago when they still
imported them.
--
-Jim
If you want to reply by email its --> ryan at jimryan dot com
Please use BCC and lets all avoid spam
"Mark Hewitt" wrote in message
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> "jtpr" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > I'm not real keen on driving something French.
> Why not, French make fine cars.
> If however, you are a racist bigot.. I suggest you stay at home and don't
go
> places where there are foriegn people.
Jun 6th 2003, 12:32 am
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"jtpr" wrote in message
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> However, their government leaves a lot to be desired. Any show of support
> for a government like theirs, that refuses to support the government's of
> countries that have offered the lives of their men and women to keep them
> free, is distasteful to me. There is no excuse for their behavior
recently,
> any they did a great disservice to the memories of their countrymen that
> fought and died along with ours to keep them free. Their support should
> have been immediate and unconditional. There is no doubt in my mind that
> if and when they are under attack again they will come begging for our
help.
> Can't have it both ways.
I won't put the reply I want to here, as this is a travel discussion forum,
not a political one.
However I suggest for your own safety you stay nice and safe in your own
country. Sorry about getting the term wrong, you are right, I of course
meant to say Xenophobic.
Cheers
Mark.
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> However, their government leaves a lot to be desired. Any show of support
> for a government like theirs, that refuses to support the government's of
> countries that have offered the lives of their men and women to keep them
> free, is distasteful to me. There is no excuse for their behavior
recently,
> any they did a great disservice to the memories of their countrymen that
> fought and died along with ours to keep them free. Their support should
> have been immediate and unconditional. There is no doubt in my mind that
> if and when they are under attack again they will come begging for our
help.
> Can't have it both ways.
I won't put the reply I want to here, as this is a travel discussion forum,
not a political one.
However I suggest for your own safety you stay nice and safe in your own
country. Sorry about getting the term wrong, you are right, I of course
meant to say Xenophobic.
Cheers
Mark.
Jun 6th 2003, 2:29 am
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"jtpr" wrote:
>First, the French are not a race, they are people who live in a country,
>usually spanning many races. There is nothing wrong with them.
>However, their government leaves a lot to be desired. Any show of support
>for a government like theirs, that refuses to support the government's of
>countries that have offered the lives of their men and women to keep them
>free, is distasteful to me. There is no excuse for their behavior recently,
>any they did a great disservice to the memories of their countrymen that
>fought and died along with ours to keep them free. Their support should
>have been immediate and unconditional.
Should those Americans who opposed the war be lynched?
>There is no doubt in my mind that
>if and when they are under attack again they will come begging for our help.
>Can't have it both ways.
The bad news is that French people are welcome in Ireland, and you
might encounter some here. Better not take the risk.
PB
>First, the French are not a race, they are people who live in a country,
>usually spanning many races. There is nothing wrong with them.
>However, their government leaves a lot to be desired. Any show of support
>for a government like theirs, that refuses to support the government's of
>countries that have offered the lives of their men and women to keep them
>free, is distasteful to me. There is no excuse for their behavior recently,
>any they did a great disservice to the memories of their countrymen that
>fought and died along with ours to keep them free. Their support should
>have been immediate and unconditional.
Should those Americans who opposed the war be lynched?
>There is no doubt in my mind that
>if and when they are under attack again they will come begging for our help.
>Can't have it both ways.
The bad news is that French people are welcome in Ireland, and you
might encounter some here. Better not take the risk.
PB
Jun 7th 2003, 7:12 am
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jtpr wrote:
>
> However, their government leaves a lot to be desired. Any show of support
> for a government like theirs, that refuses to support the government's of
> countries that have offered the lives of their men and women to keep them
> free, is distasteful to me. There is no excuse for their behavior recently,
> any they did a great disservice to the memories of their countrymen that
> fought and died along with ours to keep them free. Their support should
> have been immediate and unconditional.
You mean the French should have trusted your lying president and his
English lapdog when they forged "proof" of the existence of the weapons
they were pretending to root out? I have no doubt that the French,
Germans, etc., would have joined the war effort if there had been any such
real proof--and I don't mean the cooked up documents and ten-year-old
plagiarised grad-student essays Bush's warmongers provided.
I don't have the shadow of a doubt that if America were invaded, France
and all America's other allies would rise to the occasion. America's
jihad against Iraq was its own private business, as has been made clear
since by the contracts awarded to Cheny and Rumsfeld's buddies. It had no
business being legitimised by the support of France or any other peaceful
nation.
Americans are welcome in Europe, but those with attitudes like yours are
probably better off staying at home.
>
> However, their government leaves a lot to be desired. Any show of support
> for a government like theirs, that refuses to support the government's of
> countries that have offered the lives of their men and women to keep them
> free, is distasteful to me. There is no excuse for their behavior recently,
> any they did a great disservice to the memories of their countrymen that
> fought and died along with ours to keep them free. Their support should
> have been immediate and unconditional.
You mean the French should have trusted your lying president and his
English lapdog when they forged "proof" of the existence of the weapons
they were pretending to root out? I have no doubt that the French,
Germans, etc., would have joined the war effort if there had been any such
real proof--and I don't mean the cooked up documents and ten-year-old
plagiarised grad-student essays Bush's warmongers provided.
I don't have the shadow of a doubt that if America were invaded, France
and all America's other allies would rise to the occasion. America's
jihad against Iraq was its own private business, as has been made clear
since by the contracts awarded to Cheny and Rumsfeld's buddies. It had no
business being legitimised by the support of France or any other peaceful
nation.
Americans are welcome in Europe, but those with attitudes like yours are
probably better off staying at home.
Jun 7th 2003, 3:17 pm
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Get the smallest car you can. Years ago, a friend and I drove around in
sheer terror in something like a Ford Festiva. Really small car, but we
still screamed expletives every time a truck came at us and we heard the
left side of the car scraping against adjoining shrubberies. There are some
roads whose lack of width requires that one driver back up for quite a ways
until there is a place to pull off and let the other driver pass. I can't
believe that some agencies actually rent huge sedans.
We dealt with Dan Dooley out of Dublin Airport... good service and though it
was five years ago I seem to recall that the rates were comparable to what
you've been quoted.
Jim, if you're from the U.S. and are accustomed to our wide roads you're
going to be in for a surprise. It is worth it, though. Your adrenaline will
be a-flowin'. You won't get drowsy with the constant fear of collision.
Just hug the left and say a prayer.
"jtpr" wrote in message
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> I am finding out it is REAL expensive to rent a car in Ireland. We plan
on
> going for 2 weeks and hopping around B & B's. There are 4 of us, Me
> (5'10"), my wife (5'7") and 2 boys, each about 6'2". We planned on taking
1
> bag each plus 1 day pack each for hiking.
> Avis has a Renault Scenic for $622. To get to the next size wagon, or
> anything bigger is almost 2x the cost. Personally, I like a small car (I
> drive a Mini), but I think the boys would be real uncomfortable. We do
not
> have this car in the states, and I am unsure from looking at it on the
> Renault site if it will be big enough. I was hoping for a Land Rover, but
> that seems way too much $$.
> Can anybody help? We are arriving and leaving via Shannon.
> --
> -Jim
> change "spam" to "ryan' before replying by mail.
sheer terror in something like a Ford Festiva. Really small car, but we
still screamed expletives every time a truck came at us and we heard the
left side of the car scraping against adjoining shrubberies. There are some
roads whose lack of width requires that one driver back up for quite a ways
until there is a place to pull off and let the other driver pass. I can't
believe that some agencies actually rent huge sedans.
We dealt with Dan Dooley out of Dublin Airport... good service and though it
was five years ago I seem to recall that the rates were comparable to what
you've been quoted.
Jim, if you're from the U.S. and are accustomed to our wide roads you're
going to be in for a surprise. It is worth it, though. Your adrenaline will
be a-flowin'. You won't get drowsy with the constant fear of collision.
Just hug the left and say a prayer.
"jtpr" wrote in message
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> I am finding out it is REAL expensive to rent a car in Ireland. We plan
on
> going for 2 weeks and hopping around B & B's. There are 4 of us, Me
> (5'10"), my wife (5'7") and 2 boys, each about 6'2". We planned on taking
1
> bag each plus 1 day pack each for hiking.
> Avis has a Renault Scenic for $622. To get to the next size wagon, or
> anything bigger is almost 2x the cost. Personally, I like a small car (I
> drive a Mini), but I think the boys would be real uncomfortable. We do
not
> have this car in the states, and I am unsure from looking at it on the
> Renault site if it will be big enough. I was hoping for a Land Rover, but
> that seems way too much $$.
> Can anybody help? We are arriving and leaving via Shannon.
> --
> -Jim
> change "spam" to "ryan' before replying by mail.
Jun 8th 2003, 10:07 pm
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"Julian Wight" wrote in message
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> jtpr wrote:
> >
> > However, their government leaves a lot to be desired. Any show of
support
> > for a government like theirs, that refuses to support the government's
of
> > countries that have offered the lives of their men and women to keep
them
> > free, is distasteful to me. There is no excuse for their behavior
recently,
> > any they did a great disservice to the memories of their countrymen that
> > fought and died along with ours to keep them free. Their support should
> > have been immediate and unconditional.
> You mean the French should have trusted your lying president and his
> English lapdog when they forged "proof" of the existence of the weapons
> they were pretending to root out?
Yes, without hesitation. And although one can say many things about
our President, being a liar is not one of them.
I have no doubt that the French,
> Germans, etc., would have joined the war effort if there had been any such
> real proof--and I don't mean the cooked up documents and ten-year-old
> plagiarised grad-student essays Bush's warmongers provided.
> I don't have the shadow of a doubt that if America were invaded, France
> and all America's other allies would rise to the occasion.
I have real doubts as to whether they would. Before this yes, but now,
I'm not sure. Perhaps if they thought the that by helping us it would be in
their own interests. But loyalty does not seem to be in the
French governments interest.
America's jihad against Iraq was its own private business, as has been made
clear
> since by the contracts awarded to Cheny and Rumsfeld's buddies. It had no
> business being legitimised by the support of France or any other peaceful
> nation.
Jihad?? Interesting use of the term. I think we found your real
agenda.
> Americans are welcome in Europe, but those with attitudes like yours are
> probably better off staying at home.
Wow, thanks. It's still "Europe" because of us. Otherwise we'd just be
visiting Germany. Or Russia.
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> jtpr wrote:
> >
> > However, their government leaves a lot to be desired. Any show of
support
> > for a government like theirs, that refuses to support the government's
of
> > countries that have offered the lives of their men and women to keep
them
> > free, is distasteful to me. There is no excuse for their behavior
recently,
> > any they did a great disservice to the memories of their countrymen that
> > fought and died along with ours to keep them free. Their support should
> > have been immediate and unconditional.
> You mean the French should have trusted your lying president and his
> English lapdog when they forged "proof" of the existence of the weapons
> they were pretending to root out?
Yes, without hesitation. And although one can say many things about
our President, being a liar is not one of them.
I have no doubt that the French,
> Germans, etc., would have joined the war effort if there had been any such
> real proof--and I don't mean the cooked up documents and ten-year-old
> plagiarised grad-student essays Bush's warmongers provided.
> I don't have the shadow of a doubt that if America were invaded, France
> and all America's other allies would rise to the occasion.
I have real doubts as to whether they would. Before this yes, but now,
I'm not sure. Perhaps if they thought the that by helping us it would be in
their own interests. But loyalty does not seem to be in the
French governments interest.
America's jihad against Iraq was its own private business, as has been made
clear
> since by the contracts awarded to Cheny and Rumsfeld's buddies. It had no
> business being legitimised by the support of France or any other peaceful
> nation.
Jihad?? Interesting use of the term. I think we found your real
agenda.
> Americans are welcome in Europe, but those with attitudes like yours are
> probably better off staying at home.
Wow, thanks. It's still "Europe" because of us. Otherwise we'd just be
visiting Germany. Or Russia.
Jun 8th 2003, 10:16 pm
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Re: Car Rental questions in Ireland
On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 10:07:32 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Jim Ryan"
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Yes, without hesitation. And although one can say many things about
... our President, being a liar is not one of them.
More like a *pathological liar*.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Yes, without hesitation. And although one can say many things about
... our President, being a liar is not one of them.
More like a *pathological liar*.
Jun 8th 2003, 11:12 pm
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Re: Car Rental questions in Ireland
Jim Ryan wrote
> Wow, thanks. It's still "Europe" because of us. Otherwise we'd just
be
> visiting Germany. Or Russia.
I hardly ever get involved in threads like this, because it's generally
pointless, but you caught me on an off day. I get really pissed off with
this 'if it weren't for us' attitude of some Yanks. Who the blinkin' e'ck do
you think was fighting WW2 between '39 and '41 when you lot finally decided
to get involved, simply 'cos you were attacked on home territory? Very
altruistic, I'm sure. Just whose interests prompted the entry of the US into
the war? And now you tell us you did it all for us... just like the invasion
of Iraq was all for the Iraqi people. Total bollocks.
Jo
> Wow, thanks. It's still "Europe" because of us. Otherwise we'd just
be
> visiting Germany. Or Russia.
I hardly ever get involved in threads like this, because it's generally
pointless, but you caught me on an off day. I get really pissed off with
this 'if it weren't for us' attitude of some Yanks. Who the blinkin' e'ck do
you think was fighting WW2 between '39 and '41 when you lot finally decided
to get involved, simply 'cos you were attacked on home territory? Very
altruistic, I'm sure. Just whose interests prompted the entry of the US into
the war? And now you tell us you did it all for us... just like the invasion
of Iraq was all for the Iraqi people. Total bollocks.
Jo
Jun 9th 2003, 1:07 am
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Re: Car Rental questions in Ireland
You are right on several points. First, I must apologize for originally
instigating this in a travel, not a political forum, that was not
appropriate.
Secondly, I agree our intentions were as you stated regarding WWII.
However, there is no denying that it was our involvement that turned the
tide, the involvement of all the other allies notwithstanding. I would
never be so naive to believe we did it all for the French, or the British,
or any other country, but we did do it. I just feel that due to that
involvement, for WHATEVER reason, we are owed a debt of gratitude, and that
should be some loyalty.
I don't think the invasion of Iraq was just for the Iraqi people. But the
end result will be to their benefit. I do believe the regime there would
have ultimately had a negative effect on many lives and ultimately world
peace through the supply of money or weapons to terrorist organizations. I
am generally a skeptic when it comes to government, but I do believe that
George Bush is an honest human being and that he does things that he feels
are the right thing. I think he is genuine.
But enough of this, I shouldn't have brought it up here, and am dropping it.
--
-Jim
If you want to reply by email its --> ryan at jimryan dot com
Please use BCC and lets all avoid spam
"Darkginger" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jim Ryan wrote
> >
> > Wow, thanks. It's still "Europe" because of us. Otherwise we'd
just
> be
> > visiting Germany. Or Russia.
> I hardly ever get involved in threads like this, because it's generally
> pointless, but you caught me on an off day. I get really pissed off with
> this 'if it weren't for us' attitude of some Yanks. Who the blinkin' e'ck
do
> you think was fighting WW2 between '39 and '41 when you lot finally
decided
> to get involved, simply 'cos you were attacked on home territory? Very
> altruistic, I'm sure. Just whose interests prompted the entry of the US
into
> the war? And now you tell us you did it all for us... just like the
invasion
> of Iraq was all for the Iraqi people. Total bollocks.
> Jo
instigating this in a travel, not a political forum, that was not
appropriate.
Secondly, I agree our intentions were as you stated regarding WWII.
However, there is no denying that it was our involvement that turned the
tide, the involvement of all the other allies notwithstanding. I would
never be so naive to believe we did it all for the French, or the British,
or any other country, but we did do it. I just feel that due to that
involvement, for WHATEVER reason, we are owed a debt of gratitude, and that
should be some loyalty.
I don't think the invasion of Iraq was just for the Iraqi people. But the
end result will be to their benefit. I do believe the regime there would
have ultimately had a negative effect on many lives and ultimately world
peace through the supply of money or weapons to terrorist organizations. I
am generally a skeptic when it comes to government, but I do believe that
George Bush is an honest human being and that he does things that he feels
are the right thing. I think he is genuine.
But enough of this, I shouldn't have brought it up here, and am dropping it.
--
-Jim
If you want to reply by email its --> ryan at jimryan dot com
Please use BCC and lets all avoid spam
"Darkginger" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jim Ryan wrote
> >
> > Wow, thanks. It's still "Europe" because of us. Otherwise we'd
just
> be
> > visiting Germany. Or Russia.
> I hardly ever get involved in threads like this, because it's generally
> pointless, but you caught me on an off day. I get really pissed off with
> this 'if it weren't for us' attitude of some Yanks. Who the blinkin' e'ck
do
> you think was fighting WW2 between '39 and '41 when you lot finally
decided
> to get involved, simply 'cos you were attacked on home territory? Very
> altruistic, I'm sure. Just whose interests prompted the entry of the US
into
> the war? And now you tell us you did it all for us... just like the
invasion
> of Iraq was all for the Iraqi people. Total bollocks.
> Jo
