Abelard

On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:28:15 +0000, hummingbird
<[email protected]>

typed:
    >On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:13:19 +0100 'abelard'
    >posted this onto uk.politics.misc:
    >>On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 09:09:45 +1100, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"
    >><[email protected]>
    >> typed:
    >>>In article <[email protected]>,
    >>> abelard <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:58:41 -0000, "John Rennie"
    >>>> <[email protected]>
    >>>[snippage]
    >>>> >If you want to change the meaning of words to mean what you want them to
    >>>> >mean you destroy language and when you destroy language you descend into
    >>>> >Orwell's world of 'newspeak'. The word that you should have used was
    >>>> >'ideology' a perfectly adequate description of socialism.
    >>>Correct.
    >>>> more pap...
    >>>> 'ideology' is not 'perfectly' adequate....
    >>>> how 'perfect' is 'perfect'?
    >>>>
    >>>> ideology could refer to a system of ideas...
    >>>> socialism is a religion....
    >>>[snip mindless repetition]
    >>>You're a bloody loony and a semi-literate, cretinous loony at that.
    >>>Perhaps you should look into taking a basic English language course
    >>>before you post next. That should ensure that you do not make any
    >>>further embarrassing mistakes.
    >>>Hope this helps.
    >>it certainly helps identify you as another cult socialist.....
    >>that is always useful data....

    >**Another cult socialist**?

didn't you notice buzzy....
the keynote blather about 'looneys'?
the inability to make even the slightest argument?
the anger?
the total lack of humour?
the concentration of trivia and pedantry?

nah...of course you don't...you have no insight....
you have not the slightest realisation how much you give yourselves away

    >The whole world is overflowing with them by your reckoning.

there are certainly more than sufficient on news net....
i s'pose it's because no-one takes you seriously in the real world....

    >Rotfl. YET ANOTHER POSTER has got you sussed out fraudy.
    >How many is that this year? 20 - 30 - 40? H^H^H^H^H^.
    >You really are a scream. My sides are aching...........

i can just see it little man....
your need to bluster indicates your serious lack of confidence

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Snakehawk

PJ O'Donovan wrote:
    > "Our purpose is, through a
    > progression of all-out attacks, to cause many U.S. casualties and so
    > erode the U.S. will that the antiwar influences will gain decisive
    > political strength," said Pham Van Dong, former prime minister of
    > North Vietnam. Moreover, Ho Chi Minh famously predicted, "For everyone
    > of yours we kill, you will kill 10 of ours. But in the end, it is you
    > who will grow tired."
    > See www.vietnam.war.info/casualties and you will learn that Ho Chi
    > Minh figures of 10 Vietnamese casualties would be needed to effect a
    > single US casualty was grossly conservative in accordance with figues
    > estimated by the North Vietnamese themselves after the conflict.
    > Since the US tragically experienced 58000 combat casualties, their
    > Vietnamese combatants experienced in excess of 1,000,000 combat
    > casualties in the process to inflict those US Army combat casualties.
    > In other words it took more than 17 Vietnamese combatant casualties to
    > effect a single US casualty in accordance with the link estimating
    > combat casualties for both sides of the conflict.
    > Anyone construing those figures to spin that America got its "arsed
    > kicked in Vietnam" is either living in a mythological fantasy world or
    > is desperately in need of a course in remedial arithmetic.

Geez...Another stupid ass who thinks killing people means winning
something. The whole country is teeming with these creeps. Where do
they come from?

Hummingbird

On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 02:34:34 +0100 'abelard'
posted this onto uk.politics.misc:

    >On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 01:28:15 +0000, hummingbird
    ><[email protected]>
    > typed:
    >>On Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:13:19 +0100 'abelard'
    >>posted this onto uk.politics.misc:
    >>>On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 09:09:45 +1100, "Mr Q. Z. Diablo"
    >>><[email protected]>
    >>> typed:
    >>>>In article <[email protected]>,
    >>>> abelard <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 09:58:41 -0000, "John Rennie"
    >>>>> <[email protected]>
    >>>>[snippage]
    >>>>> >If you want to change the meaning of words to mean what you want them to
    >>>>> >mean you destroy language and when you destroy language you descend into
    >>>>> >Orwell's world of 'newspeak'. The word that you should have used was
    >>>>> >'ideology' a perfectly adequate description of socialism.
    >>>>Correct.
    >>>>> more pap...
    >>>>> 'ideology' is not 'perfectly' adequate....
    >>>>> how 'perfect' is 'perfect'?
    >>>>>
    >>>>> ideology could refer to a system of ideas...
    >>>>> socialism is a religion....
    >>>>[snip mindless repetition]
    >>>>You're a bloody loony and a semi-literate, cretinous loony at that.
    >>>>Perhaps you should look into taking a basic English language course
    >>>>before you post next. That should ensure that you do not make any
    >>>>further embarrassing mistakes.
    >>>>Hope this helps.
    >>>it certainly helps identify you as another cult socialist.....
    >>>that is always useful data....
    >>**Another cult socialist**?
    >didn't you notice buzzy....
    >the keynote blather about 'looneys'?
    >the inability to make even the slightest argument?
    >the anger?
    >the total lack of humour?
    >the concentration of trivia and pedantry?
    >nah...of course you don't...you have no insight....
    >you have not the slightest realisation how much you give yourselves away
    >>The whole world is overflowing with them by your reckoning.
    >there are certainly more than sufficient on news net....
    >i s'pose it's because no-one takes you seriously in the real world....
    >>Rotfl. YET ANOTHER POSTER has got you sussed out fraudy.
    >>How many is that this year? 20 - 30 - 40? H^H^H^H^H^.
    >>You really are a scream. My sides are aching...........
    >i can just see it little man....
    >your need to bluster indicates your serious lack of confidence

Don't you worry fraudy...
When you and George Bush are both taken away to a nice home for the
mentally insane, I'll do my best to make sure you go to the same one,
so you can spend your days together ranting about how the M/E has to
be crushed and how M/E oil belongs to the West and all that imperial
stuff. Twice a day you can sing a chorus of "God Bless America".
Lol.

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Abelard

On 8 Dec 2006 21:06:55 -0800, "snakehawk" <[email protected]>

typed:

    >Geez...Another stupid ass who thinks killing people means winning
    >something. The whole country is teeming with these creeps. Where do
    >they come from?

reality?

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barney2

In article <[email protected]. com>,
[email protected] (PJ O'Donovan) wrote:

    > *From:* "PJ O'Donovan" <[email protected]>
    > *Date:* 8 Dec 2006 16:29:04 -0800
    >
    > <I cannot justify the cost given
    > that we already buy the International Herald Tribune
    >
    > Donna Evleth>
    >
    > I recall buying the IHT in Europe during travels there and it was
    > quite expensive but I do not understand why you buy the print edition
    > since it can be accessed online on the net for free at
    > www.drudgereport.com.

Or even at www.iht.com.

tropicus

Arthur Brain wrote:
    > PJ O'Donovan wrote:
    > > Myth: The American military was running for their
    > > lives during the fall of Saigon in April 1975.
    > Well, gee, first they were then, then the commies got close, then
    > suddenyl the Yank military were gone.

LOL. Right. They were so "close" that they couldn't capture the place
until ages after the Americans left

Arthur Brain

burrah wrote:
    > "Arthur Brain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] ps.com...

    > > Let's be precise about this:

    > > Robert S. McNamara, Secretary of Defense, 26 March 1964:

    > > "The U.S. role in South Vietnam, then, is
    > > - first, to answer the call of the South Vietnamese, a member nation
    > > of our free-world family, to help them save their country for
    > > themselves;
    > > <FAILED>
    > > - second, to help prevent the strategic danger which would exist if
    > > communism absorbed Southeast Asia's people and resources; and
    > > <FAILED, although this "strategic danger" was just another RIGHTARD
    > > fantasy>
    > > - third, to prove in the Vietnamese test case that the free-world can
    > > cope with communist 'wars of liberation' as we have coped successfully
    > > with communist aggression at other levels."
    > > <FAILED, although they DID succeed later when they picked on a country
    > > they were actually capable of defeating in Granada, as we know.
    > > Woo-hoo>

    > > And Iraq?

    > > Found the WMD yet?
    > > <FAILED>
    > > Found legal backing for the invasion?
    > > <FAILED>
    > > Gained UNSC approval for the invasion?
    > > <FAILED>
    > > Brought peace & democracy to Iraq?
    > > <FAILED>
    > > Obersturmbahnfuehrer von Rumsfeldt's career?
    > > <UP SHIT CREEK>

    > > Yanks are useless.

    > Do yourself a favour.
    > Go to Vietnam. guess what? they love Yanks.

Most victors feel well-disposed towards those they have beaten.

It's quite natural human behaviour.

    > Every place you go you will find Yanks involved in business.

And australians, and chinese, and russians, and other europeans....

    > When you turn on the TV every second hour is government propaganda.

The entire country is carpeted in war memorials displaying captured
Yank Hueys and bits of other military hardware commemorating that tiny
nation's crushing victory over the world's single (supposed)
superpower.

    > You want to know who the propaganda is directed against?
    > Not the Yanks. It's against the Japanese and French. They show the Yanks in
    > a neutral fashion, neither good nor bad.
    > They are doing their best to get on the good side of the Yanks because they
    > know that if they are ever going to climb out of poverty, it will be in
    > partnership with the Yanks.

Well, in fact it was "in partnership" with communism that they managed
to climb out of begin a destitute subservient state.

    > So forget all your 1960's bullshit, they are now more pro western than
    > Europe.

You need to forget your 1960's bullshit - it was communism that won,
and it got them on the road to freedom and prosperity, despite all the
little children napalmed and otherwise murdered by imperialists trying
to impose capitalist slavery on them.