Tim

"Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > > Driving from Calais to Toulouse next week. Travelling with 2 small
    > > children so using autoroutes. We have two full days for travel which
    > > should be comfortable for approx 13 hours driving.
    > >
    > > Route planners seem to advise going via(around) Paris. My question is
    > > -
    > > would it be better to avoid Paris and go around it to the West? I
    > > could
    > > go to Rouen, down to Chartres and then A10, and A20 south. THis would
    > > involve short distances off autoroute - but I suspect this may be
    > > quicker/easier than the peripherique around Paris. It will be August
    > > so
    > > I suspect traffic in Paris lighter than usual.
    > >
    > > Any suggestions?
    > > --
    > > Matthew Barnard
    > Don't know which route planner you are using, but actual distance from
    > Calais to Toulouse is approx. 600 miles and at average speed of 60 mph
    > this means about 10 hours not 13. If you look at www.viamichelin.com
    > and do the route, it suggests that the journey time is 8hours 24 mins.
    > So if your car is able to cruise at 70 plus, cannot really see how it
    > can take 13 hours?

Two drivers sharing might do10 hours solid at 60mph
One person on their own isn't going to manage this.

tim

Nige

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    > On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 08:50:36 +0000, Nige
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >Don't know which route planner you are using, but actual distance from
    > >Calais to Toulouse is approx. 600 miles and at average speed of 60 mph
    > >this means about 10 hours not 13. If you look at www.viamichelin.com
    > >and do the route, it suggests that the journey time is 8hours 24 mins.
    > >So if your car is able to cruise at 70 plus, cannot really see how it
    > >can take 13 hours?
    > You forget that all the route planners assume ideal conditions, no
    > traffic jams no road works, no small kids wanting to stop for the
    > toilet, no stopping for meals drinks etc. I'd say that 13 hours is
    > about right.
    > Did you never do a long distance trip with kids yourself?

I agree that these route planners consider that there is no hold up on the
way. Of course this must always be the case otherwise what's the point. You
cannot build into these planners accidents or LORRY FIRES ! These are always
OPTIMUM times. And as for toilet stops. I thought the original request was
for a route to be taken over 2 days. So I make that a rather leisurely
journey. And not the Monte Carlo Rally. And yes I have done plenty of long
distance driving especially to the south of France. And with kids.

Nige

"tim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > >
    > > > Driving from Calais to Toulouse next week. Travelling with 2 small
    > > > children so using autoroutes. We have two full days for travel which
    > > > should be comfortable for approx 13 hours driving.
    > > >
    > > > Route planners seem to advise going via(around) Paris. My question is
    > > > -
    > > > would it be better to avoid Paris and go around it to the West? I
    > > > could
    > > > go to Rouen, down to Chartres and then A10, and A20 south. THis would
    > > > involve short distances off autoroute - but I suspect this may be
    > > > quicker/easier than the peripherique around Paris. It will be August
    > > > so
    > > > I suspect traffic in Paris lighter than usual.
    > > >
    > > > Any suggestions?
    > > > --
    > > > Matthew Barnard
    > >
    > > Don't know which route planner you are using, but actual distance from
    > > Calais to Toulouse is approx. 600 miles and at average speed of 60 mph
    > > this means about 10 hours not 13. If you look at www.viamichelin.com
    > > and do the route, it suggests that the journey time is 8hours 24 mins.
    > > So if your car is able to cruise at 70 plus, cannot really see how it
    > > can take 13 hours?
    > Two drivers sharing might do10 hours solid at 60mph
    > One person on their own isn't going to manage this.
    > tim

But over two FULL days? What do you think?

Nightjar

"Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > I agree that these route planners consider that there is no hold up on the
    > way. Of course this must always be the case otherwise what's the point.
You
    > cannot build into these planners accidents or LORRY FIRES !

You can, but it usually only comes with fairly expensive packages. They will
give you a range of possible times, such as the best possible, the probable
average and the worst likely. They do that by using data on the average
delays that you are likely to encounter on a journey of a given length. They
will also give you different times, based on your vehicle type. Considering
that the Michelin site normally warns you of known road works on your route,
it is a little surprising that it does not at least allow for those.

Colin Bignell

nitram

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:16:38 +0000 (UTC), "Nige" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    ><[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected].. .
    >> On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 08:50:36 +0000, Nige
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >Don't know which route planner you are using, but actual distance from
    >> >Calais to Toulouse is approx. 600 miles and at average speed of 60 mph
    >> >this means about 10 hours not 13. If you look at www.viamichelin.com
    >> >and do the route, it suggests that the journey time is 8hours 24 mins.
    >> >So if your car is able to cruise at 70 plus, cannot really see how it
    >> >can take 13 hours?
    >> You forget that all the route planners assume ideal conditions, no
    >> traffic jams no road works, no small kids wanting to stop for the
    >> toilet, no stopping for meals drinks etc. I'd say that 13 hours is
    >> about right.
    >> Did you never do a long distance trip with kids yourself?
    >I agree that these route planners consider that there is no hold up on the
    >way. Of course this must always be the case otherwise what's the point. You
    >cannot build into these planners accidents or LORRY FIRES ! These are always
    >OPTIMUM times.

but just above you quote the times, as if they were the real actual
time.

nitram

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:17:24 +0000 (UTC), "Nige" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >"tim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >> "Nige" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected] m...
    >> >
    >> > > Driving from Calais to Toulouse next week. Travelling with 2 small
    >> > > children so using autoroutes. We have two full days for travel which
    >> > > should be comfortable for approx 13 hours driving.
    >> > >
    >> > > Route planners seem to advise going via(around) Paris. My question is
    >> > > -
    >> > > would it be better to avoid Paris and go around it to the West? I
    >> > > could
    >> > > go to Rouen, down to Chartres and then A10, and A20 south. THis would
    >> > > involve short distances off autoroute - but I suspect this may be
    >> > > quicker/easier than the peripherique around Paris. It will be August
    >> > > so
    >> > > I suspect traffic in Paris lighter than usual.
    >> > >
    >> > > Any suggestions?
    >> > > --
    >> > > Matthew Barnard
    >> >
    >> > Don't know which route planner you are using, but actual distance from
    >> > Calais to Toulouse is approx. 600 miles and at average speed of 60 mph
    >> > this means about 10 hours not 13. If you look at www.viamichelin.com
    >> > and do the route, it suggests that the journey time is 8hours 24 mins.
    >> > So if your car is able to cruise at 70 plus, cannot really see how it
    >> > can take 13 hours?
    >> Two drivers sharing might do10 hours solid at 60mph
    >> One person on their own isn't going to manage this.
    >> tim
    >But over two FULL days? What do you think?

I did it over two full (8 hour) days including rest stops from NL with
my family.