To Bring a Camera or Not?
May 28th 2003, 11:11 pm
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Re: To Bring a Camera or Not?
On Wed, 28 May 2003 22:11:32 GMT, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>Jim Ley wrote:
>> Uploading to a website is also not likely to be feasible, burning to
>> CD in netcafe is much more likely.
>Both are easy in places with decent connectivity. In Africa you'll probably
>be stuck with the CD route.
Hmm, it's rare that I ever found enough bandwidth in South Africa, or
various parts of Europe at a price where I was happy uploading my
digital pictures, not that I ever put them on CD either, but then I do
always have a notebook with me, so they can live on there (which is
good as my digi camera only has 1 weeks worth of batteries, 30
pictures, and can only be recharged from a USB port)
>Personally I prefer to upload the pics to my server as I trust it a whole
>lot more than I trust myself not to snap a CD in my backpack.
Certainly, if you can find the bandwidth.
Jim.
>Jim Ley wrote:
>> Uploading to a website is also not likely to be feasible, burning to
>> CD in netcafe is much more likely.
>Both are easy in places with decent connectivity. In Africa you'll probably
>be stuck with the CD route.
Hmm, it's rare that I ever found enough bandwidth in South Africa, or
various parts of Europe at a price where I was happy uploading my
digital pictures, not that I ever put them on CD either, but then I do
always have a notebook with me, so they can live on there (which is
good as my digi camera only has 1 weeks worth of batteries, 30
pictures, and can only be recharged from a USB port)
>Personally I prefer to upload the pics to my server as I trust it a whole
>lot more than I trust myself not to snap a CD in my backpack.
Certainly, if you can find the bandwidth.
Jim.
May 28th 2003, 11:24 pm
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Jim Ley writes:
> My digital doesn't have chargers or batteries or
> anything like that, it just recharges off a USB
> port, so it's no problem...
Yeah, all you need is to find a handy USB port right there in the Black
Forest, and you're all set.
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> My digital doesn't have chargers or batteries or
> anything like that, it just recharges off a USB
> port, so it's no problem...
Yeah, all you need is to find a handy USB port right there in the Black
Forest, and you're all set.
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May 28th 2003, 11:56 pm
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On Thu, 29 May 2003 13:24:00 +0200, Mxsmanic
wrote:
>Jim Ley writes:
>> My digital doesn't have chargers or batteries or
>> anything like that, it just recharges off a USB
>> port, so it's no problem...
>Yeah, all you need is to find a handy USB port right there in the Black
>Forest, and you're all set.
Ah, I thought someone might spot that small flaw :-)
Jim.
wrote:
>Jim Ley writes:
>> My digital doesn't have chargers or batteries or
>> anything like that, it just recharges off a USB
>> port, so it's no problem...
>Yeah, all you need is to find a handy USB port right there in the Black
>Forest, and you're all set.
Ah, I thought someone might spot that small flaw :-)
Jim.
May 29th 2003, 3:47 am
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Following up to Jim Ley
>Well, the prints of my holidays when I was a kid are hardly viewable,
>and that's only 25 years, I'm not so sure they'll survive until old
>age.
photos are supposed to last about 80 years, silver halides for pretty
much ever, i'm told. My 40 year old photos are fine. Have yours been
stored in direct sunlight?
>>and dont want fuss with chargers, batteries etc etc. or want best
>>quality.
>My digital doesn't have chargers or batteries or anything like that,
>it just recharges off a USB port, so it's no problem... No extra stuff
>to carry at all...
Providing there is somewhere to do that, I take a lot of photos in the
hills where such things are not available, in fact I have no idea
where they are available :-). The internet cafe, web upload options
also seem more trouble than a roll of film to me.
It rather reminds me of a scene in the film "local hero" where the US
businessman hands his laptop to the landlord of a remote highland bar
and says "recharge this please". The landlord and customers all just
stare at it blankly (at the time I thought it some sort of electric
briefcase (perhaps it was) having never seen a laptop myself then, how
times change).
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>Well, the prints of my holidays when I was a kid are hardly viewable,
>and that's only 25 years, I'm not so sure they'll survive until old
>age.
photos are supposed to last about 80 years, silver halides for pretty
much ever, i'm told. My 40 year old photos are fine. Have yours been
stored in direct sunlight?
>>and dont want fuss with chargers, batteries etc etc. or want best
>>quality.
>My digital doesn't have chargers or batteries or anything like that,
>it just recharges off a USB port, so it's no problem... No extra stuff
>to carry at all...
Providing there is somewhere to do that, I take a lot of photos in the
hills where such things are not available, in fact I have no idea
where they are available :-). The internet cafe, web upload options
also seem more trouble than a roll of film to me.
It rather reminds me of a scene in the film "local hero" where the US
businessman hands his laptop to the landlord of a remote highland bar
and says "recharge this please". The landlord and customers all just
stare at it blankly (at the time I thought it some sort of electric
briefcase (perhaps it was) having never seen a laptop myself then, how
times change).
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
May 29th 2003, 3:56 am
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In article , GM
writes
>That is the question. If I don't take it, I might be sorry many years
>from now. However, I'm concerned that it will hamper my enjoyment of
>the trip (hostel/backpacking thing).
>Is it a worthwhile burden? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
I have always enjoyed the thought and prints of the few photos I took on
my early experiences. Hostels and backpacking are security and weight
sensitive and I would even now choose a policy of disposable cameras
purchased as you go about. Probably posted individually back home one at
a time, maybe even before processing - they will be lighter.
A digital camera is attractive to a thief, is a security worry and a
card reader or uploading regime is a complication on a backpack style
trip. And they really need rechargeable batteries. Are you going to be
in one place for enough hours to manage the recharge process?
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AC
writes
>That is the question. If I don't take it, I might be sorry many years
>from now. However, I'm concerned that it will hamper my enjoyment of
>the trip (hostel/backpacking thing).
>Is it a worthwhile burden? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
I have always enjoyed the thought and prints of the few photos I took on
my early experiences. Hostels and backpacking are security and weight
sensitive and I would even now choose a policy of disposable cameras
purchased as you go about. Probably posted individually back home one at
a time, maybe even before processing - they will be lighter.
A digital camera is attractive to a thief, is a security worry and a
card reader or uploading regime is a complication on a backpack style
trip. And they really need rechargeable batteries. Are you going to be
in one place for enough hours to manage the recharge process?
--
AC
May 29th 2003, 4:46 am
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The Reid wrote:
> Following up to Mxsmanic
>>> Compare the body design of a typical digital with
>>> that of the typical disposable.
>> Or the typical film camera. No reason to restrict it to digital.
> Especially if you want the photographs to be around till your old age
But with digital, you can just copy them to a new CD every 10 or 20 years
and they'll remain as good as they started, as long as you carry out that
minimal maintenance.
With film, there is no possible maintenance you could carry out to preserve
them indefinitely at their original quality.
miguel
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> Following up to Mxsmanic
>>> Compare the body design of a typical digital with
>>> that of the typical disposable.
>> Or the typical film camera. No reason to restrict it to digital.
> Especially if you want the photographs to be around till your old age
But with digital, you can just copy them to a new CD every 10 or 20 years
and they'll remain as good as they started, as long as you carry out that
minimal maintenance.
With film, there is no possible maintenance you could carry out to preserve
them indefinitely at their original quality.
miguel
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May 29th 2003, 4:50 am
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Jim Ley wrote:
> [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>> Jim Ley wrote:
>>> Uploading to a website is also not likely to be feasible, burning to
>>> CD in netcafe is much more likely.
>> Both are easy in places with decent connectivity. In Africa you'll probably
>> be stuck with the CD route.
> Hmm, it's rare that I ever found enough bandwidth in South Africa, or
> various parts of Europe at a price where I was happy uploading my
> digital pictures
It was my understanding that South Africa is in Africa.
Nevertheless, it shouldn't be hard to find. Admittedly most of my travel is
in Asia where bandwidth is cheap and easy. But even in Greece and Turkey
I've had no problem finding places with high-speed connections for $2 or so
per hour. It's probably not that considerate for the other patrons but it's
best done when the places aren't crowded anyway.
In contrast, last time I was in Latvia (1995), the only place I found
internet connectivity was at the university in Riga, where I was granted 10
minutes of telnetting on the Norsk Data Systems terminal - most of which I
spent trying to work out the cyrillic keyboard. The connection was slower
than molasses. I assume things have changed in the intervening 8 years.
miguel
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> [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>> Jim Ley wrote:
>>> Uploading to a website is also not likely to be feasible, burning to
>>> CD in netcafe is much more likely.
>> Both are easy in places with decent connectivity. In Africa you'll probably
>> be stuck with the CD route.
> Hmm, it's rare that I ever found enough bandwidth in South Africa, or
> various parts of Europe at a price where I was happy uploading my
> digital pictures
It was my understanding that South Africa is in Africa.
Nevertheless, it shouldn't be hard to find. Admittedly most of my travel is
in Asia where bandwidth is cheap and easy. But even in Greece and Turkey
I've had no problem finding places with high-speed connections for $2 or so
per hour. It's probably not that considerate for the other patrons but it's
best done when the places aren't crowded anyway.
In contrast, last time I was in Latvia (1995), the only place I found
internet connectivity was at the university in Riga, where I was granted 10
minutes of telnetting on the Norsk Data Systems terminal - most of which I
spent trying to work out the cyrillic keyboard. The connection was slower
than molasses. I assume things have changed in the intervening 8 years.
miguel
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May 29th 2003, 4:57 am
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AC wrote:
> A digital camera is attractive to a thief, is a security worry and a
> card reader or uploading regime is a complication on a backpack style
> trip. And they really need rechargeable batteries. Are you going to be
> in one place for enough hours to manage the recharge process?
I've backpacked for a couple years now with a digital (okay, I haven't been
backpacking for two years straight, but I have gone on a half-dozen trips
scattered over those two years).
I carry two batteries, one in the camera and one spare. It takes about 80
minutes for me to charge one fully. Usually at a restaurant there'll be an
outlet somewhere, so I can get at least half a charge with lunch or dinner.
I've used outlets in train stations, airports, and museums (they're hidden
but plentiful - used for floor-cleaning equipment, vending machines, and
some pay telephones). Hostel staff have always been happy to let me plug in
behind the desk when I go out in the morning and collect the charger when I
come back after lunch.
Really I think I spent about 3 minutes a day worrying about it. If I have a
private room (i.e., everywhere outside western Europe) then I don't have to
think about it at all.
miguel
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> A digital camera is attractive to a thief, is a security worry and a
> card reader or uploading regime is a complication on a backpack style
> trip. And they really need rechargeable batteries. Are you going to be
> in one place for enough hours to manage the recharge process?
I've backpacked for a couple years now with a digital (okay, I haven't been
backpacking for two years straight, but I have gone on a half-dozen trips
scattered over those two years).
I carry two batteries, one in the camera and one spare. It takes about 80
minutes for me to charge one fully. Usually at a restaurant there'll be an
outlet somewhere, so I can get at least half a charge with lunch or dinner.
I've used outlets in train stations, airports, and museums (they're hidden
but plentiful - used for floor-cleaning equipment, vending machines, and
some pay telephones). Hostel staff have always been happy to let me plug in
behind the desk when I go out in the morning and collect the charger when I
come back after lunch.
Really I think I spent about 3 minutes a day worrying about it. If I have a
private room (i.e., everywhere outside western Europe) then I don't have to
think about it at all.
miguel
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May 29th 2003, 5:53 am
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Following up to Miguel Cruz
>But with digital, you can just copy them to a new CD every 10 or 20 years
>and they'll remain as good as they started, as long as you carry out that
>minimal maintenance.
Home burned CDs should be copied every 2 to 3 years
>With film, there is no possible maintenance you could carry out to preserve
>them indefinitely at their original quality.
true
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Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
>But with digital, you can just copy them to a new CD every 10 or 20 years
>and they'll remain as good as they started, as long as you carry out that
>minimal maintenance.
Home burned CDs should be copied every 2 to 3 years
>With film, there is no possible maintenance you could carry out to preserve
>them indefinitely at their original quality.
true
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
May 29th 2003, 3:28 pm
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You can scan photos to CD...decent scanners are inexpensive...
On Thu, 29 May 2003 16:46:31 GMT, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>But with digital, you can just copy them to a new CD every 10 or 20 years
>and they'll remain as good as they started, as long as you carry out that
>minimal maintenance.
>With film, there is no possible maintenance you could carry out to preserve
>them indefinitely at their original quality.
On Thu, 29 May 2003 16:46:31 GMT, [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>But with digital, you can just copy them to a new CD every 10 or 20 years
>and they'll remain as good as they started, as long as you carry out that
>minimal maintenance.
>With film, there is no possible maintenance you could carry out to preserve
>them indefinitely at their original quality.
May 29th 2003, 5:13 pm
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Carole Allen wrote:
> [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>> With film, there is no possible maintenance you could carry out to
>> preserve them indefinitely at their original quality.
> You can scan photos to CD...decent scanners are inexpensive...
I've had really bad luck with scanning (I'm picky about quality). It's
almost impossible to get the full light range with a flatbed, and only
really expensive film scanners seem to have the real (vs interpolated)
resolution to actually capture detail. I end up spending all this money to
have them scanned at a service bureau. Actually that's what pushed me to
digital.
miguel
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> [email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>> With film, there is no possible maintenance you could carry out to
>> preserve them indefinitely at their original quality.
> You can scan photos to CD...decent scanners are inexpensive...
I've had really bad luck with scanning (I'm picky about quality). It's
almost impossible to get the full light range with a flatbed, and only
really expensive film scanners seem to have the real (vs interpolated)
resolution to actually capture detail. I end up spending all this money to
have them scanned at a service bureau. Actually that's what pushed me to
digital.
miguel
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May 29th 2003, 7:01 pm
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"Carole Allen" wrote in message
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> You can scan photos to CD...decent scanners are inexpensive...
But you would have to scan them the day they were printed, and even then
there would be a loss of quality.
Adrian.
news:[email protected]...
> You can scan photos to CD...decent scanners are inexpensive...
But you would have to scan them the day they were printed, and even then
there would be a loss of quality.
Adrian.
May 29th 2003, 8:41 pm
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Following up to Miguel Cruz
>> You can scan photos to CD...decent scanners are inexpensive...
>I've had really bad luck with scanning (I'm picky about quality). It's
>almost impossible to get the full light range with a flatbed, and only
>really expensive film scanners seem to have the real (vs interpolated)
>resolution to actually capture detail. I end up spending all this money to
>have them scanned at a service bureau. Actually that's what pushed me to
>digital.
I agree, if you want decent quality forget flatbeds and prints.
If you pay (UK) £400 for a slide/film scanner + Vuescan software to
replace the bundled rubbish, you have your slide as an archive copy
and a digital .TIFF copy of better quality than you need for viewing
on a monitor (make a JPEG from the .TIFF for web pages). If I want a
print I send the TIFF to a chap who has a pro' quality printer that
uses archival quality light ressitant dyes and paper. (I dont know how
long the domestic photo quality prints last - probably not long).
Until digital matches slides for quality (when I will do a rethink)
at the same price I believe this is the best option.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
>> You can scan photos to CD...decent scanners are inexpensive...
>I've had really bad luck with scanning (I'm picky about quality). It's
>almost impossible to get the full light range with a flatbed, and only
>really expensive film scanners seem to have the real (vs interpolated)
>resolution to actually capture detail. I end up spending all this money to
>have them scanned at a service bureau. Actually that's what pushed me to
>digital.
I agree, if you want decent quality forget flatbeds and prints.
If you pay (UK) £400 for a slide/film scanner + Vuescan software to
replace the bundled rubbish, you have your slide as an archive copy
and a digital .TIFF copy of better quality than you need for viewing
on a monitor (make a JPEG from the .TIFF for web pages). If I want a
print I send the TIFF to a chap who has a pro' quality printer that
uses archival quality light ressitant dyes and paper. (I dont know how
long the domestic photo quality prints last - probably not long).
Until digital matches slides for quality (when I will do a rethink)
at the same price I believe this is the best option.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
May 29th 2003, 9:11 pm
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Miguel Cruz writes:
> I've had really bad luck with scanning (I'm picky
> about quality).
I'm picky about quality, too ... which is why I shoot film and scan.
Your mileage may vary.
> It's almost impossible to get the full light range
> with a flatbed, and only really expensive film scanners
> seem to have the real (vs interpolated) resolution to
> actually capture detail.
It's impossible to do serious scanning with a flatbed. That may explain
your "bad luck."
> I end up spending all this money to have them scanned
> at a service bureau.
Typically, for the cost of scanning only a few images at a service
bureau or lab, you can buy your own film scanner and scan everything
yourself.
> Actually that's what pushed me to digital.
Interesting ... digital is what pushed me back to film.
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> I've had really bad luck with scanning (I'm picky
> about quality).
I'm picky about quality, too ... which is why I shoot film and scan.
Your mileage may vary.
> It's almost impossible to get the full light range
> with a flatbed, and only really expensive film scanners
> seem to have the real (vs interpolated) resolution to
> actually capture detail.
It's impossible to do serious scanning with a flatbed. That may explain
your "bad luck."
> I end up spending all this money to have them scanned
> at a service bureau.
Typically, for the cost of scanning only a few images at a service
bureau or lab, you can buy your own film scanner and scan everything
yourself.
> Actually that's what pushed me to digital.
Interesting ... digital is what pushed me back to film.
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May 29th 2003, 9:11 pm
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Adrian Rothery writes:
> But you would have to scan them the day they
> were printed, and even then there would be a
> loss of quality.
Why would there be a loss of quality?
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> But you would have to scan them the day they
> were printed, and even then there would be a
> loss of quality.
Why would there be a loss of quality?
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