To Bring a Camera or Not?
May 27th 2003, 9:09 pm
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) writes:
> Well, there are plenty of American tourists
> who want pictures of themselves in front of
> anything they think camera-worthy.
Yes, but it's nearly universal in groups of Japanese tourists. I see it
every day.
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> Well, there are plenty of American tourists
> who want pictures of themselves in front of
> anything they think camera-worthy.
Yes, but it's nearly universal in groups of Japanese tourists. I see it
every day.
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May 27th 2003, 10:40 pm
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Following up to GM
>Is it a worthwhile burden? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
If you are interested in photography, yes, otherwise, why not just buy
a book with quality professional photos in. Using a camera puts a
potential barrier between you and the locals.
Why do people want "thier own" often second rate pictures?
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"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
>Is it a worthwhile burden? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
If you are interested in photography, yes, otherwise, why not just buy
a book with quality professional photos in. Using a camera puts a
potential barrier between you and the locals.
Why do people want "thier own" often second rate pictures?
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
May 27th 2003, 10:40 pm
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Following up to EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
>In the past, my main objection to a camera was that I always ended a
>trip with half a roll of unused film (consequently I have far more
>pictures of my cats than I ever wanted, simply because I had to use up
>the film).
Just send it in unfinished, there are no rules and you may save on
print costs.
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Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
>In the past, my main objection to a camera was that I always ended a
>trip with half a roll of unused film (consequently I have far more
>pictures of my cats than I ever wanted, simply because I had to use up
>the film).
Just send it in unfinished, there are no rules and you may save on
print costs.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
May 27th 2003, 11:13 pm
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The Reid writes:
> Why do people want "thier own" often second
> rate pictures?
As memory triggers, mainly. If they are in the pictures, they provide
proof that they were there. Sometimes the pictures feature things that
they find particularly interesting. Finally, it isn't that easy to find
exactly the pictures you want of exactly the places you want, especially
cheaply.
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> Why do people want "thier own" often second
> rate pictures?
As memory triggers, mainly. If they are in the pictures, they provide
proof that they were there. Sometimes the pictures feature things that
they find particularly interesting. Finally, it isn't that easy to find
exactly the pictures you want of exactly the places you want, especially
cheaply.
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May 28th 2003, 3:36 am
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Mxsmanic wrote:
> Miguel Cruz writes:
>> Disposables are wasteful and nowhere near as flexible as a digital.
> They cost only a few dollars
I'm not talking wasteful in money, but in materials.
> and you don't need flexibility unless you're a photographer.
The combination of flexibility and opportunity will help you become a
photographer (not you, you already are, but the general "you").
> There is nothing particularly flexible about a digital camera.
> Flexibility is a function of the body design, not the type of image
> capture.
Compare the body design of a typical digital with that of the typical
disposable.
>> It's nothing to carry - with mine, anyway, both the camera and charger
>> fit in normal pants pockets.
> With a disposable camera, there's no charger to carry--and you don't have
> to search for electrical outlets.
It's not usually that hard to find an outlet every few days - certainly not
in Europe.
>> Additionally, you can email photos to people back home and easily make
>> prints for people you meet along the way.
> You don't e-mail photos anywhere without an Internet connection.
> Not everyone spends his vacation in Silicon Valley.
There are internet connections everywhere. On my last big trip (chronicled
in part at the link below) I emailed photos back from everywhere without
much difficulty.
miguel
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Latest photos: Maldives, Dubai and Vietnam
> Miguel Cruz writes:
>> Disposables are wasteful and nowhere near as flexible as a digital.
> They cost only a few dollars
I'm not talking wasteful in money, but in materials.
> and you don't need flexibility unless you're a photographer.
The combination of flexibility and opportunity will help you become a
photographer (not you, you already are, but the general "you").
> There is nothing particularly flexible about a digital camera.
> Flexibility is a function of the body design, not the type of image
> capture.
Compare the body design of a typical digital with that of the typical
disposable.
>> It's nothing to carry - with mine, anyway, both the camera and charger
>> fit in normal pants pockets.
> With a disposable camera, there's no charger to carry--and you don't have
> to search for electrical outlets.
It's not usually that hard to find an outlet every few days - certainly not
in Europe.
>> Additionally, you can email photos to people back home and easily make
>> prints for people you meet along the way.
> You don't e-mail photos anywhere without an Internet connection.
> Not everyone spends his vacation in Silicon Valley.
There are internet connections everywhere. On my last big trip (chronicled
in part at the link below) I emailed photos back from everywhere without
much difficulty.
miguel
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Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
Latest photos: Maldives, Dubai and Vietnam
May 28th 2003, 4:16 am
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The Reid wrote:
> Following up to GM
>> Is it a worthwhile burden? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
> If you are interested in photography, yes, otherwise, why not just buy
> a book with quality professional photos in. Using a camera puts a
> potential barrier between you and the locals.
> Why do people want "thier own" often second rate pictures?
Because they're "their own."
It's why handmade cards and birthday cakes are nicer than store-bought. And
why writing something down before a test helps you remember it.
miguel
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Latest photos: Maldives, Dubai and Vietnam
> Following up to GM
>> Is it a worthwhile burden? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
> If you are interested in photography, yes, otherwise, why not just buy
> a book with quality professional photos in. Using a camera puts a
> potential barrier between you and the locals.
> Why do people want "thier own" often second rate pictures?
Because they're "their own."
It's why handmade cards and birthday cakes are nicer than store-bought. And
why writing something down before a test helps you remember it.
miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
Latest photos: Maldives, Dubai and Vietnam
May 28th 2003, 4:27 am
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To some of us at least, it is important to have pictures that depict a place
the way it was at the time we were actually there. A photograph showing the
place at another time, in different weather, seen from a different vantage
point, etc., is a poor substitute for us.
That said, however, I will readily say that I do indeed buy books at
favorite places. They provide a useful supplement to my own photographs.
As to a camera's providing a barrier between us and the "locals" (hateful
word), I disagree quite strongly. I have often met people who offered to
take a joint photograph of me and my wife with my camera, who opened a
discussion based on the interest my picture taking revealed, or who
responded to my expression of gratitude when they stepped back or walked
around to keep from spoiling a shot I was working on.
As I said in an earlier post, the question of whether or not to take a
camera on a trip is a more personal one than many people seem to realize. De
gustibus . . . .
> > If you are interested in photography, yes, otherwise, why not just buy
> > a book with quality professional photos in. Using a camera puts a
> > potential barrier between you and the locals.
> >
> > Why do people want "thier own" often second rate pictures?
> Because they're "their own."
> It's why handmade cards and birthday cakes are nicer than store-bought.
And
> why writing something down before a test helps you remember it.
> miguel
> --
> Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
> Latest photos: Maldives, Dubai and Vietnam
the way it was at the time we were actually there. A photograph showing the
place at another time, in different weather, seen from a different vantage
point, etc., is a poor substitute for us.
That said, however, I will readily say that I do indeed buy books at
favorite places. They provide a useful supplement to my own photographs.
As to a camera's providing a barrier between us and the "locals" (hateful
word), I disagree quite strongly. I have often met people who offered to
take a joint photograph of me and my wife with my camera, who opened a
discussion based on the interest my picture taking revealed, or who
responded to my expression of gratitude when they stepped back or walked
around to keep from spoiling a shot I was working on.
As I said in an earlier post, the question of whether or not to take a
camera on a trip is a more personal one than many people seem to realize. De
gustibus . . . .
> > If you are interested in photography, yes, otherwise, why not just buy
> > a book with quality professional photos in. Using a camera puts a
> > potential barrier between you and the locals.
> >
> > Why do people want "thier own" often second rate pictures?
> Because they're "their own."
> It's why handmade cards and birthday cakes are nicer than store-bought.
And
> why writing something down before a test helps you remember it.
> miguel
> --
> Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
> Latest photos: Maldives, Dubai and Vietnam
May 28th 2003, 7:28 am
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Miguel Cruz writes:
> The combination of flexibility and opportunity will
> help you become a photographer ...
I don't think the OP wants to become a photographer.
> Compare the body design of a typical digital with
> that of the typical disposable.
Or the typical film camera. No reason to restrict it to digital.
> It's not usually that hard to find an outlet
> every few days - certainly not in Europe.
They are never around when you need one ... like restrooms.
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> The combination of flexibility and opportunity will
> help you become a photographer ...
I don't think the OP wants to become a photographer.
> Compare the body design of a typical digital with
> that of the typical disposable.
Or the typical film camera. No reason to restrict it to digital.
> It's not usually that hard to find an outlet
> every few days - certainly not in Europe.
They are never around when you need one ... like restrooms.
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May 28th 2003, 9:00 am
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On Tue, 27 May 2003 08:03:13 -0400, Mason Barge
wrote:
>On 25 May 2003 15:45:10 -0700, [email protected] (GM) wrote:
>>That is the question. If I don't take it, I might be sorry many years
>>from now. However, I'm concerned that it will hamper my enjoyment of
>>the trip (hostel/backpacking thing).
>>Is it a worthwhile burden? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
>Yes, absolutely, positively. Get an itty bitty digital cameral, carry a small
>battery recharger,
If your camera is big enough to take batteries that a rechargable with
a battery recharger, it's not itty bitty, it's really pretty big.
Uploading to a website is also not likely to be feasible, burning to
CD in netcafe is much more likely.
Jim.
wrote:
>On 25 May 2003 15:45:10 -0700, [email protected] (GM) wrote:
>>That is the question. If I don't take it, I might be sorry many years
>>from now. However, I'm concerned that it will hamper my enjoyment of
>>the trip (hostel/backpacking thing).
>>Is it a worthwhile burden? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
>Yes, absolutely, positively. Get an itty bitty digital cameral, carry a small
>battery recharger,
If your camera is big enough to take batteries that a rechargable with
a battery recharger, it's not itty bitty, it's really pretty big.
Uploading to a website is also not likely to be feasible, burning to
CD in netcafe is much more likely.
Jim.
May 28th 2003, 10:11 am
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Jim Ley wrote:
> Mason Barge wrote:
>> Yes, absolutely, positively. Get an itty bitty digital cameral, carry a
>> small battery recharger,
> If your camera is big enough to take batteries that a rechargable with a
> battery recharger, it's not itty bitty, it's really pretty big.
My Canon Powershot S30 fits easily in my pocket and comes with a charger
that's about 1/4 the size of the camera.
> Uploading to a website is also not likely to be feasible, burning to
> CD in netcafe is much more likely.
Both are easy in places with decent connectivity. In Africa you'll probably
be stuck with the CD route.
Personally I prefer to upload the pics to my server as I trust it a whole
lot more than I trust myself not to snap a CD in my backpack.
miguel
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Latest photos: Maldives, Dubai and Vietnam
> Mason Barge wrote:
>> Yes, absolutely, positively. Get an itty bitty digital cameral, carry a
>> small battery recharger,
> If your camera is big enough to take batteries that a rechargable with a
> battery recharger, it's not itty bitty, it's really pretty big.
My Canon Powershot S30 fits easily in my pocket and comes with a charger
that's about 1/4 the size of the camera.
> Uploading to a website is also not likely to be feasible, burning to
> CD in netcafe is much more likely.
Both are easy in places with decent connectivity. In Africa you'll probably
be stuck with the CD route.
Personally I prefer to upload the pics to my server as I trust it a whole
lot more than I trust myself not to snap a CD in my backpack.
miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
Latest photos: Maldives, Dubai and Vietnam
May 28th 2003, 2:05 pm
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[email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote in message news:...
> Jim Ley wrote:
> > Mason Barge wrote:
> >> Yes, absolutely, positively. Get an itty bitty digital cameral, carry a
> >> small battery recharger,
> >
> > If your camera is big enough to take batteries that a rechargable with a
> > battery recharger, it's not itty bitty, it's really pretty big.
>
> My Canon Powershot S30 fits easily in my pocket and comes with a charger
> that's about 1/4 the size of the camera.
>
> > Uploading to a website is also not likely to be feasible, burning to
> > CD in netcafe is much more likely.
>
> Both are easy in places with decent connectivity. In Africa you'll probably
> be stuck with the CD route.
>
> Personally I prefer to upload the pics to my server as I trust it a whole
> lot more than I trust myself not to snap a CD in my backpack.
>
> miguel
Miguel --
Though I usually agree with your posts, I have to differ a little
bit here. I just bought a new camera, studied digitals for about a
year, but wound up getting another SLR (Minolta Maxxum 5). Almost all
my photography is travel photography, and I like a 300mm lens, for
that castle up on the hill, and I like a camera that works well in low
light, for the museums and churches that don't allow flash or tripods.
I couldn't find a digital that met these needs for less than $1000.
Also, I don't want to interrupt my trip to worry about recharging
batteries, or to search for a cybercafe in the evening so I can
download and make room for tomorrow's pictures, or pay large bucks for
enough storage to hold the 1200+ pictures I took on my last trip to
Europe.
But others have different interests, and many people are able to
use a digital camera happily while they travel. I'm just not one of
them -- chacun a son gout.
And for those who say a cheap point and shoot camera does as well
as an SLR with interchangeable lenses -- yes, you may be able to get
pictures as good WITHIN THE RANGE OF THE CAMERA. But the P&S can't do
extreme close-ups, or bring very distant objects up close, or freeze
fast-moving action, or slow down to give a blurred feeling of motion,
or open up to take photos in very dim light, etc., etc. I like my
SLRs, not because they necessarily produce better quality photos than
P&Ss, but because they have more versatility, can take photos under a
broader range of conditions.....
> Jim Ley wrote:
> > Mason Barge wrote:
> >> Yes, absolutely, positively. Get an itty bitty digital cameral, carry a
> >> small battery recharger,
> >
> > If your camera is big enough to take batteries that a rechargable with a
> > battery recharger, it's not itty bitty, it's really pretty big.
>
> My Canon Powershot S30 fits easily in my pocket and comes with a charger
> that's about 1/4 the size of the camera.
>
> > Uploading to a website is also not likely to be feasible, burning to
> > CD in netcafe is much more likely.
>
> Both are easy in places with decent connectivity. In Africa you'll probably
> be stuck with the CD route.
>
> Personally I prefer to upload the pics to my server as I trust it a whole
> lot more than I trust myself not to snap a CD in my backpack.
>
> miguel
Miguel --
Though I usually agree with your posts, I have to differ a little
bit here. I just bought a new camera, studied digitals for about a
year, but wound up getting another SLR (Minolta Maxxum 5). Almost all
my photography is travel photography, and I like a 300mm lens, for
that castle up on the hill, and I like a camera that works well in low
light, for the museums and churches that don't allow flash or tripods.
I couldn't find a digital that met these needs for less than $1000.
Also, I don't want to interrupt my trip to worry about recharging
batteries, or to search for a cybercafe in the evening so I can
download and make room for tomorrow's pictures, or pay large bucks for
enough storage to hold the 1200+ pictures I took on my last trip to
Europe.
But others have different interests, and many people are able to
use a digital camera happily while they travel. I'm just not one of
them -- chacun a son gout.
And for those who say a cheap point and shoot camera does as well
as an SLR with interchangeable lenses -- yes, you may be able to get
pictures as good WITHIN THE RANGE OF THE CAMERA. But the P&S can't do
extreme close-ups, or bring very distant objects up close, or freeze
fast-moving action, or slow down to give a blurred feeling of motion,
or open up to take photos in very dim light, etc., etc. I like my
SLRs, not because they necessarily produce better quality photos than
P&Ss, but because they have more versatility, can take photos under a
broader range of conditions.....
May 28th 2003, 7:20 pm
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Following up to Ron Audet
>and the "locals" (hateful word),
why on earth is that a hateful word?
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
>and the "locals" (hateful word),
why on earth is that a hateful word?
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
May 28th 2003, 8:27 pm
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Following up to Mxsmanic
>> Compare the body design of a typical digital with
>> that of the typical disposable.
>Or the typical film camera. No reason to restrict it to digital.
Especially if you want the photographs to be around till your old age
and dont want fuss with chargers, batteries etc etc. or want best
quality.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
>> Compare the body design of a typical digital with
>> that of the typical disposable.
>Or the typical film camera. No reason to restrict it to digital.
Especially if you want the photographs to be around till your old age
and dont want fuss with chargers, batteries etc etc. or want best
quality.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
May 28th 2003, 11:06 pm
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On Thu, 29 May 2003 09:27:29 +0100, The Reid
wrote:
>Following up to Mxsmanic
>>> Compare the body design of a typical digital with
>>> that of the typical disposable.
>>Or the typical film camera. No reason to restrict it to digital.
>Especially if you want the photographs to be around till your old age
Well, the prints of my holidays when I was a kid are hardly viewable,
and that's only 25 years, I'm not so sure they'll survive until old
age.
>and dont want fuss with chargers, batteries etc etc. or want best
>quality.
My digital doesn't have chargers or batteries or anything like that,
it just recharges off a USB port, so it's no problem... No extra stuff
to carry at all...
I'd never just travel with a digital though.
Jim.
wrote:
>Following up to Mxsmanic
>>> Compare the body design of a typical digital with
>>> that of the typical disposable.
>>Or the typical film camera. No reason to restrict it to digital.
>Especially if you want the photographs to be around till your old age
Well, the prints of my holidays when I was a kid are hardly viewable,
and that's only 25 years, I'm not so sure they'll survive until old
age.
>and dont want fuss with chargers, batteries etc etc. or want best
>quality.
My digital doesn't have chargers or batteries or anything like that,
it just recharges off a USB port, so it's no problem... No extra stuff
to carry at all...
I'd never just travel with a digital though.
Jim.
May 28th 2003, 11:07 pm
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On Wed, 28 May 2003 11:40:21 +0100, The Reid
wrote:
>Following up to GM
>>Is it a worthwhile burden? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
>If you are interested in photography, yes, otherwise, why not just buy
>a book with quality professional photos in. Using a camera puts a
>potential barrier between you and the locals.
Odd, lots of locals chat to me at surprise at my camera, it's an
actual talking point it would seem, I dunno why, it costs less than
100 USD
>Why do people want "thier own" often second rate pictures?
because professional photographers don't necessarily take the same
shots as you're interested in, no matter how well composed they are.
Jim.
wrote:
>Following up to GM
>>Is it a worthwhile burden? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.
>If you are interested in photography, yes, otherwise, why not just buy
>a book with quality professional photos in. Using a camera puts a
>potential barrier between you and the locals.
Odd, lots of locals chat to me at surprise at my camera, it's an
actual talking point it would seem, I dunno why, it costs less than
100 USD
>Why do people want "thier own" often second rate pictures?
because professional photographers don't necessarily take the same
shots as you're interested in, no matter how well composed they are.
Jim.
