Black and Backpacking round Europe worries
Jul 24th 2005, 2:30 pm
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Re: Black and Backpacking round Europe worries
"Gregory Morrow"
<gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>lorraine wrote:
>> Im black and want to backpack round europe for the first time, however
>> im not sure of the kinda reception im in for in places like prague,
>> russia etc...??? or geneally round europe, i would hate to go were im
>> not wanted or stared at with displeasure. ive been to spain and france
>> and they are pretty cool. im not paranoid but i believe its a
>> reasonable concern. help anyone., or advice??? thank you xx
>Why do I think you are a troll who has posted here previously with such
>phony "concerns"?
Why do I think Greg knows about trolls?
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<gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>lorraine wrote:
>> Im black and want to backpack round europe for the first time, however
>> im not sure of the kinda reception im in for in places like prague,
>> russia etc...??? or geneally round europe, i would hate to go were im
>> not wanted or stared at with displeasure. ive been to spain and france
>> and they are pretty cool. im not paranoid but i believe its a
>> reasonable concern. help anyone., or advice??? thank you xx
>Why do I think you are a troll who has posted here previously with such
>phony "concerns"?
Why do I think Greg knows about trolls?
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Jul 24th 2005, 2:58 pm
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"Actually, you _are_ paranoid. In most of the world, being black
doesn't matter. Only Americans (and a small handful of other
nationalities) seem to be obsessed with skin color.
Western Europeans don't care about dark skin. Indeed, for many years
American blacks have moved to Europe in a successful search for
relatively color-blind societies.
I always tell American blacks visiting Europe that, in Europe, they
are _American_, not black ... and that's how they will be seen by
others." Msxmanic
Tearing Neuvo-French Mixi a new one when he points the racism finger at
the US on such issues... I'd bet our OP knew the word too...
Tim K
"Stanislas de Kertanguy" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> Timothy Kroesen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > What was that world traveled French moniker: "moulon john'
> Mouloudji, maybe?
> > No...No racism in France...
> Yes there is. Far too much. Your point being?
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doesn't matter. Only Americans (and a small handful of other
nationalities) seem to be obsessed with skin color.
Western Europeans don't care about dark skin. Indeed, for many years
American blacks have moved to Europe in a successful search for
relatively color-blind societies.
I always tell American blacks visiting Europe that, in Europe, they
are _American_, not black ... and that's how they will be seen by
others." Msxmanic
Tearing Neuvo-French Mixi a new one when he points the racism finger at
the US on such issues... I'd bet our OP knew the word too...
Tim K
"Stanislas de Kertanguy" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:1h080zf.8pbkkh15dt19vN%stanislas.kertanguyde@ laposte.net...
> Timothy Kroesen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > What was that world traveled French moniker: "moulon john'
> Mouloudji, maybe?
> > No...No racism in France...
> Yes there is. Far too much. Your point being?
> --
> inversez "kertanguy" et "de" pour me joindre
Jul 24th 2005, 4:00 pm
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Re: Black and Backpacking round Europe worries
Padraig Breathnach wrote:
> "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >lorraine wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Im black and want to backpack round europe for the first time, however
> >> im not sure of the kinda reception im in for in places like prague,
> >> russia etc...??? or geneally round europe, i would hate to go were im
> >> not wanted or stared at with displeasure. ive been to spain and france
> >> and they are pretty cool. im not paranoid but i believe its a
> >> reasonable concern. help anyone., or advice??? thank you xx
> >>
> >
> >
> >Why do I think you are a troll who has posted here previously with such
> >phony "concerns"?
> Why do I think Greg knows about trolls?
Tut tut, you can argue my content but at least I do not hide behind various
monikers ;-)
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> "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >lorraine wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Im black and want to backpack round europe for the first time, however
> >> im not sure of the kinda reception im in for in places like prague,
> >> russia etc...??? or geneally round europe, i would hate to go were im
> >> not wanted or stared at with displeasure. ive been to spain and france
> >> and they are pretty cool. im not paranoid but i believe its a
> >> reasonable concern. help anyone., or advice??? thank you xx
> >>
> >
> >
> >Why do I think you are a troll who has posted here previously with such
> >phony "concerns"?
> Why do I think Greg knows about trolls?
Tut tut, you can argue my content but at least I do not hide behind various
monikers ;-)
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Jul 24th 2005, 7:30 pm
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Re: Black and Backpacking round Europe worries
On 25/07/05 4:58, in article
[email protected] t, "Timothy Kroesen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Western Europeans don't care about dark skin.
Sure they do, they head to the south, the beaches to get a tan
every year.
A too white a skin is considered to have an unhealthy look.
People do worry on the other end of the scale about skin
cancer, however.
I think titrating European skin hues to being more olive is necessary
and this can be accomplished by bring more Black Africans into
Europe. I suggest a target of around 20-30% Black "blood" overall.
Personally, I think the ebony black skins on Africans the most beautiful
of all skin hues.
But Fish-belly white, ugh, it looks like decaying flesh.
[email protected] t, "Timothy Kroesen"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Western Europeans don't care about dark skin.
Sure they do, they head to the south, the beaches to get a tan
every year.
A too white a skin is considered to have an unhealthy look.
People do worry on the other end of the scale about skin
cancer, however.
I think titrating European skin hues to being more olive is necessary
and this can be accomplished by bring more Black Africans into
Europe. I suggest a target of around 20-30% Black "blood" overall.
Personally, I think the ebony black skins on Africans the most beautiful
of all skin hues.
But Fish-belly white, ugh, it looks like decaying flesh.
Jul 24th 2005, 9:12 pm
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Re: Black and Backpacking round Europe worries
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:31:47 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On 23 Jul 2005 06:19:54 -0700, "Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>In major cities and tourist areas of Western Europe you should be
>>totally fine.
>>As far as Eastern Europe goes, I don't think you would have any problem
>>in Prague or Budapest, but you might in untouristed rural areas and
>>small towns.
>>Russia OTOH has a lot of racist violence, and African businesspeople,
>>diplomats, and students are often attacked.
>Africa has businesspeople?
>C'mon...
Annan's son?
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On 23 Jul 2005 06:19:54 -0700, "Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>In major cities and tourist areas of Western Europe you should be
>>totally fine.
>>As far as Eastern Europe goes, I don't think you would have any problem
>>in Prague or Budapest, but you might in untouristed rural areas and
>>small towns.
>>Russia OTOH has a lot of racist violence, and African businesspeople,
>>diplomats, and students are often attacked.
>Africa has businesspeople?
>C'mon...
Annan's son?
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Jul 24th 2005, 9:36 pm
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Re: Black and Backpacking round Europe worries
Originally Posted by Lorraine
Im black and want to backpack round europe for the first time, however
im not sure of the kinda reception im in for in places like prague,
russia etc...??? or geneally round europe, i would hate to go were im
not wanted or stared at with displeasure. ive been to spain and france
and they are pretty cool. im not paranoid but i believe its a
reasonable concern. help anyone., or advice??? thank you xx
im not sure of the kinda reception im in for in places like prague,
russia etc...??? or geneally round europe, i would hate to go were im
not wanted or stared at with displeasure. ive been to spain and france
and they are pretty cool. im not paranoid but i believe its a
reasonable concern. help anyone., or advice??? thank you xx
Jul 25th 2005, 2:23 am
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Re: Black and Backpacking round Europe worries
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:12:07 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:31:47 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>On 23 Jul 2005 06:19:54 -0700, "Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>In major cities and tourist areas of Western Europe you should be
>>>totally fine.
>>>As far as Eastern Europe goes, I don't think you would have any problem
>>>in Prague or Budapest, but you might in untouristed rural areas and
>>>small towns.
>>>Russia OTOH has a lot of racist violence, and African businesspeople,
>>>diplomats, and students are often attacked.
>>Africa has businesspeople?
>>C'mon...
>Annan's son?
Oooh, good example!
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>On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:31:47 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>On 23 Jul 2005 06:19:54 -0700, "Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>In major cities and tourist areas of Western Europe you should be
>>>totally fine.
>>>As far as Eastern Europe goes, I don't think you would have any problem
>>>in Prague or Budapest, but you might in untouristed rural areas and
>>>small towns.
>>>Russia OTOH has a lot of racist violence, and African businesspeople,
>>>diplomats, and students are often attacked.
>>Africa has businesspeople?
>>C'mon...
>Annan's son?
Oooh, good example!
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Jul 25th 2005, 2:42 am
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:23:10 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:12:07 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:31:47 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>On 23 Jul 2005 06:19:54 -0700, "Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>In major cities and tourist areas of Western Europe you should be
>>>>totally fine.
>>>>As far as Eastern Europe goes, I don't think you would have any problem
>>>>in Prague or Budapest, but you might in untouristed rural areas and
>>>>small towns.
>>>>Russia OTOH has a lot of racist violence, and African businesspeople,
>>>>diplomats, and students are often attacked.
>>>Africa has businesspeople?
>>>C'mon...
>>Annan's son?
>Oooh, good example!
... ignoring the letters I get from Nigeria.
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:12:07 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 21:31:47 GMT, DDT Filled Mormons
>><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>On 23 Jul 2005 06:19:54 -0700, "Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>In major cities and tourist areas of Western Europe you should be
>>>>totally fine.
>>>>As far as Eastern Europe goes, I don't think you would have any problem
>>>>in Prague or Budapest, but you might in untouristed rural areas and
>>>>small towns.
>>>>Russia OTOH has a lot of racist violence, and African businesspeople,
>>>>diplomats, and students are often attacked.
>>>Africa has businesspeople?
>>>C'mon...
>>Annan's son?
>Oooh, good example!
... ignoring the letters I get from Nigeria.
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Jul 25th 2005, 4:09 am
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Earl Evleth writes:
> A too white a skin is considered to have an unhealthy look.
Europeans are far more tolerant of extremely pale skin than Americans.
> I think titrating European skin hues to being more olive is necessary
> and this can be accomplished by bring more Black Africans into
> Europe. I suggest a target of around 20-30% Black "blood" overall.
What purpose would this serve?
> Personally, I think the ebony black skins on Africans the most beautiful
> of all skin hues.
Personally, I think that extremely pale white skin contrasted with
dark hair is the most beautiful of all.
> But Fish-belly white, ugh, it looks like decaying flesh.
Very dark skin looks like it's dirty. Either way, there are
disadvantages if the color is not to your taste. And there's no
accounting for taste.
> A too white a skin is considered to have an unhealthy look.
Europeans are far more tolerant of extremely pale skin than Americans.
> I think titrating European skin hues to being more olive is necessary
> and this can be accomplished by bring more Black Africans into
> Europe. I suggest a target of around 20-30% Black "blood" overall.
What purpose would this serve?
> Personally, I think the ebony black skins on Africans the most beautiful
> of all skin hues.
Personally, I think that extremely pale white skin contrasted with
dark hair is the most beautiful of all.
> But Fish-belly white, ugh, it looks like decaying flesh.
Very dark skin looks like it's dirty. Either way, there are
disadvantages if the color is not to your taste. And there's no
accounting for taste.
Jul 25th 2005, 4:55 am
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Re: Black and Backpacking round Europe worries
I know better firsthand even being Dutch/American whitte (not a 'donker'
as I've heard said in Europe... Mixi didn't, and wrote that.
Tim K
"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 25/07/05 4:58, in article
> [email protected] t, "Timothy Kroesen"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Western Europeans don't care about dark skin.
as I've heard said in Europe... Mixi didn't, and wrote that.
Tim K
"Earl Evleth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 25/07/05 4:58, in article
> [email protected] t, "Timothy Kroesen"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Western Europeans don't care about dark skin.
Jul 25th 2005, 5:24 am
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On 25/07/05 18:09, in article [email protected],
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Earl Evleth writes:
>
>> I think titrating European skin hues to being more olive is necessary
>> and this can be accomplished by bring more Black Africans into
>> Europe. I suggest a target of around 20-30% Black "blood" overall.
>
> What purpose would this serve?
Better looking and lower skin cancer rates.
But mostly better looking.
>> But Fish-belly white, ugh, it looks like decaying flesh.
>
> Very dark skin looks like it's dirty.
Sounds racist!
If you buy clothing which is not going to show dirt, you get
dark clothing. I have spotted black and white Greek sweaters
which "behave" like that. Try wearing "all white" in Paris,
it shows the dirt. "Ring around the collar" shows up on white
shirts with one wearing. Why white shirts when black shirts
would not be less dirt appearing.
> Either way, there are
> disadvantages if the color is not to your taste. And there's no
> accounting for taste.
With poor taste there is an accounting.
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Earl Evleth writes:
>
>> I think titrating European skin hues to being more olive is necessary
>> and this can be accomplished by bring more Black Africans into
>> Europe. I suggest a target of around 20-30% Black "blood" overall.
>
> What purpose would this serve?
Better looking and lower skin cancer rates.
But mostly better looking.
>> But Fish-belly white, ugh, it looks like decaying flesh.
>
> Very dark skin looks like it's dirty.
Sounds racist!
If you buy clothing which is not going to show dirt, you get
dark clothing. I have spotted black and white Greek sweaters
which "behave" like that. Try wearing "all white" in Paris,
it shows the dirt. "Ring around the collar" shows up on white
shirts with one wearing. Why white shirts when black shirts
would not be less dirt appearing.
> Either way, there are
> disadvantages if the color is not to your taste. And there's no
> accounting for taste.
With poor taste there is an accounting.
Jul 25th 2005, 7:34 am
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Gregory Morrow wrote:
> lorraine wrote:
>
>
>
>>Im black and want to backpack round europe for the first time, however
>>im not sure of the kinda reception im in for in places like prague,
>>russia etc...??? or geneally round europe, i would hate to go were im
>>not wanted or stared at with displeasure. ive been to spain and france
>>and they are pretty cool. im not paranoid but i believe its a
>>reasonable concern. help anyone., or advice??? thank you xx
>
>
>
> Why do I think you are a troll who has posted here previously with such
> phony "concerns"?
You may be right on both counts, Greg, but it IS a
legitimate topic for concern. A woman traveling alone is
naturally concerned about her personal safety in unfamiliar
surroundings. Being a black woman would add another
dimension for concern. The U.S. has come a long way since
the Civil Rights movement, but despite what various network
TV series and "colorblind" commercials may imply, we still
have a long way to go toward true "equality" in all areas.
It's only reasonable for a black American to wonder whether
the same difference between "perceived" and "actual" might
exist in other countries.
> lorraine wrote:
>
>
>
>>Im black and want to backpack round europe for the first time, however
>>im not sure of the kinda reception im in for in places like prague,
>>russia etc...??? or geneally round europe, i would hate to go were im
>>not wanted or stared at with displeasure. ive been to spain and france
>>and they are pretty cool. im not paranoid but i believe its a
>>reasonable concern. help anyone., or advice??? thank you xx
>
>
>
> Why do I think you are a troll who has posted here previously with such
> phony "concerns"?
You may be right on both counts, Greg, but it IS a
legitimate topic for concern. A woman traveling alone is
naturally concerned about her personal safety in unfamiliar
surroundings. Being a black woman would add another
dimension for concern. The U.S. has come a long way since
the Civil Rights movement, but despite what various network
TV series and "colorblind" commercials may imply, we still
have a long way to go toward true "equality" in all areas.
It's only reasonable for a black American to wonder whether
the same difference between "perceived" and "actual" might
exist in other countries.
Jul 25th 2005, 9:19 am
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:34:29 -0700, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> lorraine wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Im black and want to backpack round europe for the first time, however
>>>im not sure of the kinda reception im in for in places like prague,
>>>russia etc...??? or geneally round europe, i would hate to go were im
>>>not wanted or stared at with displeasure. ive been to spain and france
>>>and they are pretty cool. im not paranoid but i believe its a
>>>reasonable concern. help anyone., or advice??? thank you xx
>>
>>
>>
>> Why do I think you are a troll who has posted here previously with such
>> phony "concerns"?
>You may be right on both counts, Greg, but it IS a
>legitimate topic for concern. A woman traveling alone is
>naturally concerned about her personal safety in unfamiliar
>surroundings. Being a black woman would add another
>dimension for concern.
I disagree. The concerns a woman has because she is attractive, and
those for her being black would be mutually exclusive. I see no
connection between a womans personal safety and her colour.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Gregory Morrow wrote:
>> lorraine wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Im black and want to backpack round europe for the first time, however
>>>im not sure of the kinda reception im in for in places like prague,
>>>russia etc...??? or geneally round europe, i would hate to go were im
>>>not wanted or stared at with displeasure. ive been to spain and france
>>>and they are pretty cool. im not paranoid but i believe its a
>>>reasonable concern. help anyone., or advice??? thank you xx
>>
>>
>>
>> Why do I think you are a troll who has posted here previously with such
>> phony "concerns"?
>You may be right on both counts, Greg, but it IS a
>legitimate topic for concern. A woman traveling alone is
>naturally concerned about her personal safety in unfamiliar
>surroundings. Being a black woman would add another
>dimension for concern.
I disagree. The concerns a woman has because she is attractive, and
those for her being black would be mutually exclusive. I see no
connection between a womans personal safety and her colour.
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Jul 25th 2005, 11:18 am
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Earl Evleth writes:
> Sounds racist!
No more so than "fish-belly white."
> If you buy clothing which is not going to show dirt, you get
> dark clothing. I have spotted black and white Greek sweaters
> which "behave" like that. Try wearing "all white" in Paris,
> it shows the dirt. "Ring around the collar" shows up on white
> shirts with one wearing. Why white shirts when black shirts
> would not be less dirt appearing.
Does this apply to skin as well?
> Sounds racist!
No more so than "fish-belly white."
> If you buy clothing which is not going to show dirt, you get
> dark clothing. I have spotted black and white Greek sweaters
> which "behave" like that. Try wearing "all white" in Paris,
> it shows the dirt. "Ring around the collar" shows up on white
> shirts with one wearing. Why white shirts when black shirts
> would not be less dirt appearing.
Does this apply to skin as well?
Jul 25th 2005, 12:17 pm
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"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Very dark skin looks like it's dirty.
Classic Mixi.
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> Very dark skin looks like it's dirty.
Classic Mixi.
