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Aug 19th 2004, 5:38 am
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Re: OT trivia question was best way to travel
Define 'full democracy". As I recall, the USA gave the vote to women
in 1920 - is that what this question is driving at?
PJW
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:49:46 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to S Viemeister
>>So, no - I haven't an answer.
>The question again:-
>Heres another, which country became a full democracy on this date
>(18th it was posted on)
>in 1920?
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in 1920 - is that what this question is driving at?
PJW
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:49:46 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to S Viemeister
>>So, no - I haven't an answer.
>The question again:-
>Heres another, which country became a full democracy on this date
>(18th it was posted on)
>in 1920?
>--
>Mike Reid
>If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
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Aug 19th 2004, 8:02 am
#32
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Re: OT trivia question was best way to travel
Hatunen extrapolated from data available...
>
> It's a pedantic argument, but one can argue the a few states
> giving the vote to women is not the same as the *country*
> becoming more democratic.
>
>
....But certainly substantially more democratic than an great nation which
allowed no women to vote anywhere.... I disremember but think that
surprisingly, women were allowed to vote in some Southwestern/Western
states, otherwise harshly conservative in perspective, quite early. Women
must have had substantial power at the polls of some of those states which
outlawed saloons long before Prohibition.
I simply find it semi-ridiculous for for a Brit to question the rise of
women's suffrage in the US, and take some pride that my great gransmothers,
no matter their politics, could vote while his were stll held in chains.
Additionally, the concept of community property and the right of women to
inherit and control personal and family assets was far earlier the
"standard" in the US than in the UK.
By Golly, next he'll be comparing Boadica (sp?) to Betsy Ross or Molly
Pitcher.
Look at the UK's perspective on women in power....Henry Fitz Empress's
mother needed to muster and pay an army to get him the throne, Mary Tudor
had to keep plenty of firewood, stern confessors and rosaries on hand to
keep order, while Elizabeth needed to pay trained headsmen and a Secret
Service. Queen Ann? Oh what an unhappy bint, driving awy female friends
and trusted generals, left alone and in the lurch, with nothing in the
future but petty and plump minor German princelings. Poor Victoria, subject
to such Albertian whimsies as cock rings, had to send all the menfolk off
empire building and hope that between vile tropical maladies, assorted
fevers and Wogs that attrition would prevent her subjects from easing her
into early retirement, while puir Mizz Thatcher, standing there on the
headland while clods were washing away all about her, had to drive to
machismo Argies into outright hormonally-induced conquest to seve her job.
Elizabeth only manages because her female relatives and the brides of her
sons have turned out to be infested with emotional instability and/or
eating disorders. As for Diana, the only possible bright glimmer among the
dross of a misspent life was the ability to drop male offspring onto the
capets of assorted princely town homes.
Ahhh, for a real Heroine, young Mrs. Dick Dowling, standing their in the
muddy battery at Sabine Pass, commanding her husband's gunners to rain down
shot and shell upon the damnable Yankee invaders....
There's Ma Freguson, elected Texas's Governor after her spouse, Pa Ferguson
had been impeached and removed from the Governor's chair, disenfranchised
from future office. That she wasn't a very good Governor means less than
the fact that men voted for her.
But we've sad cases too, mistreated heroines, the saddest of them poor
Susanna Dickerson, babes in her arms, walking East from the Alamo's gate,
the smoke and smell of her husband's and the other hero's funeral pyre
clinging to her skirts,past swarthy and lustful Santa Anna, kept in check
only by his harlot of the moment, the Yellow Rose. Unable to enjoy the
bounty of a grateful nation (Well, the land grant wasn't worth much, and
she didn't have a man to work it.), she succumbed early to strong drink and
the prostitution required to pay for Demon Rum and John Barleycorn. Nearly
as unfortunate was Cynthia Ann Parker, kidnapped by the Comanch' as a young
girl, raised in their camps, wed to a grizzled chief when her
contemporaries were still learning hteir letters, forced to bear an infant
up on the vast Llano Estocado, watching him grow up to be the last great
Chief, Quanah Parker, then "ransomed" by her tribe to the whites for a few
months of uneasy truce, a few head of beef and a little cornmeal and
whiskey. Pined away she did within a few years, unable to return to the
prairie and a life free of corsets, tea with sugar, hymn singing, long
sernons and greens cooked with fatback.
TMO
>
> It's a pedantic argument, but one can argue the a few states
> giving the vote to women is not the same as the *country*
> becoming more democratic.
>
>
....But certainly substantially more democratic than an great nation which
allowed no women to vote anywhere.... I disremember but think that
surprisingly, women were allowed to vote in some Southwestern/Western
states, otherwise harshly conservative in perspective, quite early. Women
must have had substantial power at the polls of some of those states which
outlawed saloons long before Prohibition.
I simply find it semi-ridiculous for for a Brit to question the rise of
women's suffrage in the US, and take some pride that my great gransmothers,
no matter their politics, could vote while his were stll held in chains.
Additionally, the concept of community property and the right of women to
inherit and control personal and family assets was far earlier the
"standard" in the US than in the UK.
By Golly, next he'll be comparing Boadica (sp?) to Betsy Ross or Molly
Pitcher.
Look at the UK's perspective on women in power....Henry Fitz Empress's
mother needed to muster and pay an army to get him the throne, Mary Tudor
had to keep plenty of firewood, stern confessors and rosaries on hand to
keep order, while Elizabeth needed to pay trained headsmen and a Secret
Service. Queen Ann? Oh what an unhappy bint, driving awy female friends
and trusted generals, left alone and in the lurch, with nothing in the
future but petty and plump minor German princelings. Poor Victoria, subject
to such Albertian whimsies as cock rings, had to send all the menfolk off
empire building and hope that between vile tropical maladies, assorted
fevers and Wogs that attrition would prevent her subjects from easing her
into early retirement, while puir Mizz Thatcher, standing there on the
headland while clods were washing away all about her, had to drive to
machismo Argies into outright hormonally-induced conquest to seve her job.
Elizabeth only manages because her female relatives and the brides of her
sons have turned out to be infested with emotional instability and/or
eating disorders. As for Diana, the only possible bright glimmer among the
dross of a misspent life was the ability to drop male offspring onto the
capets of assorted princely town homes.
Ahhh, for a real Heroine, young Mrs. Dick Dowling, standing their in the
muddy battery at Sabine Pass, commanding her husband's gunners to rain down
shot and shell upon the damnable Yankee invaders....
There's Ma Freguson, elected Texas's Governor after her spouse, Pa Ferguson
had been impeached and removed from the Governor's chair, disenfranchised
from future office. That she wasn't a very good Governor means less than
the fact that men voted for her.
But we've sad cases too, mistreated heroines, the saddest of them poor
Susanna Dickerson, babes in her arms, walking East from the Alamo's gate,
the smoke and smell of her husband's and the other hero's funeral pyre
clinging to her skirts,past swarthy and lustful Santa Anna, kept in check
only by his harlot of the moment, the Yellow Rose. Unable to enjoy the
bounty of a grateful nation (Well, the land grant wasn't worth much, and
she didn't have a man to work it.), she succumbed early to strong drink and
the prostitution required to pay for Demon Rum and John Barleycorn. Nearly
as unfortunate was Cynthia Ann Parker, kidnapped by the Comanch' as a young
girl, raised in their camps, wed to a grizzled chief when her
contemporaries were still learning hteir letters, forced to bear an infant
up on the vast Llano Estocado, watching him grow up to be the last great
Chief, Quanah Parker, then "ransomed" by her tribe to the whites for a few
months of uneasy truce, a few head of beef and a little cornmeal and
whiskey. Pined away she did within a few years, unable to return to the
prairie and a life free of corsets, tea with sugar, hymn singing, long
sernons and greens cooked with fatback.
TMO
Aug 19th 2004, 8:26 am
#33
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Re: OT trivia question was best way to travel
On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:02:53 -0500, Olivers
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I simply find it semi-ridiculous for for a Brit to question the rise of
>women's suffrage in the US, and take some pride that my great gransmothers,
>no matter their politics, could vote while his were stll held in chains.
>Additionally, the concept of community property and the right of women to
>inherit and control personal and family assets was far earlier the
>"standard" in the US than in the UK.
Community property is a legal concept in only a limited number of
states, mostly former Spanish areas. For non-Americans, community
property refers to the ideaa that after marriage half of any
assets acculateded by either spouse is the property of the other
spouse. Some of the noisier divorces in California are due to the
wife (usually) claiming half of her rather wealthy spouse's money
as being hers by right, while the husband tries to prove it does
not qualify as community property (an inheritance, for instance,
is not community property).
Because couples in community property states could split the
income, each reporting half on their income tax, reducing the
total taxes because of progressively bracketed tax rates, the
joint return was introduced to offer all married couples the same
tax advantage. Or so I have heard.
>By Golly, next he'll be comparing Boadica (sp?) to Betsy Ross or Molly
>Pitcher.
>Look at the UK's perspective on women in power....Henry Fitz Empress's
>mother needed to muster and pay an army to get him the throne, Mary Tudor
>had to keep plenty of firewood, stern confessors and rosaries on hand to
>keep order, while Elizabeth needed to pay trained headsmen and a Secret
>Service. Queen Ann? Oh what an unhappy bint, driving awy female friends
>and trusted generals, left alone and in the lurch, with nothing in the
>future but petty and plump minor German princelings. Poor Victoria, subject
>to such Albertian whimsies as cock rings, had to send all the menfolk off
>empire building and hope that between vile tropical maladies, assorted
>fevers and Wogs that attrition would prevent her subjects from easing her
>into early retirement, while puir Mizz Thatcher, standing there on the
>headland while clods were washing away all about her, had to drive to
>machismo Argies into outright hormonally-induced conquest to seve her job.
>Elizabeth only manages because her female relatives and the brides of her
>sons have turned out to be infested with emotional instability and/or
>eating disorders. As for Diana, the only possible bright glimmer among the
>dross of a misspent life was the ability to drop male offspring onto the
>capets of assorted princely town homes.
>Ahhh, for a real Heroine, young Mrs. Dick Dowling, standing their in the
>muddy battery at Sabine Pass, commanding her husband's gunners to rain down
>shot and shell upon the damnable Yankee invaders....
>There's Ma Freguson, elected Texas's Governor after her spouse, Pa Ferguson
>had been impeached and removed from the Governor's chair, disenfranchised
>from future office. That she wasn't a very good Governor means less than
>the fact that men voted for her.
Jeannette Rankin was elected to the US House of Representatives
in 1916, before women in most states could legally vote. She
voted against US entry into both WW1 and WW2.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
<[email protected]> wrote:
>I simply find it semi-ridiculous for for a Brit to question the rise of
>women's suffrage in the US, and take some pride that my great gransmothers,
>no matter their politics, could vote while his were stll held in chains.
>Additionally, the concept of community property and the right of women to
>inherit and control personal and family assets was far earlier the
>"standard" in the US than in the UK.
Community property is a legal concept in only a limited number of
states, mostly former Spanish areas. For non-Americans, community
property refers to the ideaa that after marriage half of any
assets acculateded by either spouse is the property of the other
spouse. Some of the noisier divorces in California are due to the
wife (usually) claiming half of her rather wealthy spouse's money
as being hers by right, while the husband tries to prove it does
not qualify as community property (an inheritance, for instance,
is not community property).
Because couples in community property states could split the
income, each reporting half on their income tax, reducing the
total taxes because of progressively bracketed tax rates, the
joint return was introduced to offer all married couples the same
tax advantage. Or so I have heard.
>By Golly, next he'll be comparing Boadica (sp?) to Betsy Ross or Molly
>Pitcher.
>Look at the UK's perspective on women in power....Henry Fitz Empress's
>mother needed to muster and pay an army to get him the throne, Mary Tudor
>had to keep plenty of firewood, stern confessors and rosaries on hand to
>keep order, while Elizabeth needed to pay trained headsmen and a Secret
>Service. Queen Ann? Oh what an unhappy bint, driving awy female friends
>and trusted generals, left alone and in the lurch, with nothing in the
>future but petty and plump minor German princelings. Poor Victoria, subject
>to such Albertian whimsies as cock rings, had to send all the menfolk off
>empire building and hope that between vile tropical maladies, assorted
>fevers and Wogs that attrition would prevent her subjects from easing her
>into early retirement, while puir Mizz Thatcher, standing there on the
>headland while clods were washing away all about her, had to drive to
>machismo Argies into outright hormonally-induced conquest to seve her job.
>Elizabeth only manages because her female relatives and the brides of her
>sons have turned out to be infested with emotional instability and/or
>eating disorders. As for Diana, the only possible bright glimmer among the
>dross of a misspent life was the ability to drop male offspring onto the
>capets of assorted princely town homes.
>Ahhh, for a real Heroine, young Mrs. Dick Dowling, standing their in the
>muddy battery at Sabine Pass, commanding her husband's gunners to rain down
>shot and shell upon the damnable Yankee invaders....
>There's Ma Freguson, elected Texas's Governor after her spouse, Pa Ferguson
>had been impeached and removed from the Governor's chair, disenfranchised
>from future office. That she wasn't a very good Governor means less than
>the fact that men voted for her.
Jeannette Rankin was elected to the US House of Representatives
in 1916, before women in most states could legally vote. She
voted against US entry into both WW1 and WW2.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Aug 19th 2004, 10:32 am
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Re: OT trivia question was best way to travel
"Olivers" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hatunen extrapolated from data available...
> >
> > It's a pedantic argument, but one can argue the a few states
> > giving the vote to women is not the same as the *country*
> > becoming more democratic.
> >
> >
> ....But certainly substantially more democratic than an great nation which
> allowed no women to vote anywhere.... I disremember but think that
> surprisingly, women were allowed to vote in some Southwestern/Western
> states, otherwise harshly conservative in perspective, quite early.
A number of the original states, including New Jersey allowed
women to vote but these rights were rescinded in the early 19th
century
Utah alllowed women to vote from the beginning, one of the
prices of accepting statehood was to withdraw female suffrage
Wyoming was the first state in the 19th century to reintroduce it.
> Women
> must have had substantial power at the polls of some of those states which
> outlawed saloons long before Prohibition.
> I simply find it semi-ridiculous for for a Brit to question the rise of
> women's suffrage in the US, and take some pride that my great
gransmothers,
> no matter their politics, could vote while his were stll held in chains.
Women got the vote in Britain in 1918 , 2 years BEFORE it
was granted in US Federal elections and had been able to vote
in local elections since 1894.
Keith
news:[email protected]...
> Hatunen extrapolated from data available...
> >
> > It's a pedantic argument, but one can argue the a few states
> > giving the vote to women is not the same as the *country*
> > becoming more democratic.
> >
> >
> ....But certainly substantially more democratic than an great nation which
> allowed no women to vote anywhere.... I disremember but think that
> surprisingly, women were allowed to vote in some Southwestern/Western
> states, otherwise harshly conservative in perspective, quite early.
A number of the original states, including New Jersey allowed
women to vote but these rights were rescinded in the early 19th
century
Utah alllowed women to vote from the beginning, one of the
prices of accepting statehood was to withdraw female suffrage
Wyoming was the first state in the 19th century to reintroduce it.
> Women
> must have had substantial power at the polls of some of those states which
> outlawed saloons long before Prohibition.
> I simply find it semi-ridiculous for for a Brit to question the rise of
> women's suffrage in the US, and take some pride that my great
gransmothers,
> no matter their politics, could vote while his were stll held in chains.
Women got the vote in Britain in 1918 , 2 years BEFORE it
was granted in US Federal elections and had been able to vote
in local elections since 1894.
Keith
Aug 19th 2004, 9:07 pm
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Following up to Olivers
>Didn't women already have the right to vote and did so in a number of US
>states? One could conclude that universal suffrage actually came earlier
>to big chunks of the US before women could vote anywhere in the UK.
depends if your objective to to have a US UK yah boo or not.
--
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>Didn't women already have the right to vote and did so in a number of US
>states? One could conclude that universal suffrage actually came earlier
>to big chunks of the US before women could vote anywhere in the UK.
depends if your objective to to have a US UK yah boo or not.
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Aug 19th 2004, 9:07 pm
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Following up to Watcher
>> Heres another, which country became a full democracy on this date
>> (18th it was posted on)
>> in 1920?
>Um ... I don't know what you mean by "full democracy", but ... Germany????
I avoided universal sufferage as I thought it would have been too
easy! :-) IIRC Switzerland was the last of the democracies to
give women the vote, in the 70s.
Or was Spain the last, in 1975 when Franco died and democracy was
restored?
--
Mike Reid
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>> Heres another, which country became a full democracy on this date
>> (18th it was posted on)
>> in 1920?
>Um ... I don't know what you mean by "full democracy", but ... Germany????
I avoided universal sufferage as I thought it would have been too
easy! :-) IIRC Switzerland was the last of the democracies to
give women the vote, in the 70s.
Or was Spain the last, in 1975 when Franco died and democracy was
restored?
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
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Aug 19th 2004, 9:07 pm
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Following up to Olivers
>I simply find it semi-ridiculous for for a Brit to question the rise of
>women's suffrage in the US, and take some pride that my great gransmothers,
>no matter their politics, could vote while his were stll held in chains.
I find your whole attitude semi ridiculous, why do some Americans
have such a lack of confidence in their country that they have to
grasp at any straw to criticise others?
The US date and UK date are only a couple of years apart, but you
have to come up with this "held in chains" over defensive old
bollocks.
I haven't liked a lot of the semi offensive stuff you have posted
about several other counties so you can go in the killfile under
my policy of avoiding those who are here just to be abusive about
other countries.
Why not just celebrate the anniversary I pointed out?
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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>I simply find it semi-ridiculous for for a Brit to question the rise of
>women's suffrage in the US, and take some pride that my great gransmothers,
>no matter their politics, could vote while his were stll held in chains.
I find your whole attitude semi ridiculous, why do some Americans
have such a lack of confidence in their country that they have to
grasp at any straw to criticise others?
The US date and UK date are only a couple of years apart, but you
have to come up with this "held in chains" over defensive old
bollocks.
I haven't liked a lot of the semi offensive stuff you have posted
about several other counties so you can go in the killfile under
my policy of avoiding those who are here just to be abusive about
other countries.
Why not just celebrate the anniversary I pointed out?
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Aug 19th 2004, 9:08 pm
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Following up to PJW
>Define 'full democracy". As I recall, the USA gave the vote to women
>in 1920 - is that what this question is driving at?
It was the anniversary, they mentioned it on the radio that
morning along with other things that happened on that day.
I would say "full democracy" is everyone having a vote and all
position of power being elected, so the EU probably fails with
its appointed commissioners :-( I suppose the argument is they
are appointed by someone elected and have been elected to other
posts themselves. Bit "iffy" though, especially when its
"resigned again" Mandelson.
--
Mike Reid
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Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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>Define 'full democracy". As I recall, the USA gave the vote to women
>in 1920 - is that what this question is driving at?
It was the anniversary, they mentioned it on the radio that
morning along with other things that happened on that day.
I would say "full democracy" is everyone having a vote and all
position of power being elected, so the EU probably fails with
its appointed commissioners :-( I suppose the argument is they
are appointed by someone elected and have been elected to other
posts themselves. Bit "iffy" though, especially when its
"resigned again" Mandelson.
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Aug 19th 2004, 9:43 pm
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"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:02:53 -0500, Olivers
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jeannette Rankin was elected to the US House of Representatives
> in 1916, before women in most states could legally vote. She
> voted against US entry into both WW1 and WW2.
The first female MP to take her seat at Westminster in December 1919
was born Nancy Langhorne in Danville, Virginia, on 19th May 1879
She is rather better known as Nancy Lady Astor.
Keith
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> On Thu, 19 Aug 2004 15:02:53 -0500, Olivers
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jeannette Rankin was elected to the US House of Representatives
> in 1916, before women in most states could legally vote. She
> voted against US entry into both WW1 and WW2.
The first female MP to take her seat at Westminster in December 1919
was born Nancy Langhorne in Danville, Virginia, on 19th May 1879
She is rather better known as Nancy Lady Astor.
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Aug 20th 2004, 2:51 am
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The Reids extrapolated from data available...
> Following up to Olivers
>
>>Didn't women already have the right to vote and did so in a number of
>>US states? One could conclude that universal suffrage actually came
>>earlier to big chunks of the US before women could vote anywhere in
>>the UK.
>
> depends if your objective to to have a US UK yah boo or not.
...and now, the humor-impaired and Kleenex-skinned having chimed in with
his usual and expectable whinging, we can all return to our morning coffee.
Mike, you couldn't differentiate between salutory jibes and national
criticism were both to strike you "up side the haid" like flounder and
fluke...
I consider it an unmatched honor to reside in your killfile (but note that
you'll still be forced to bear my gratutitous insults by others quoting
them). Do your younger relatives still call you Grumpy? Or is this just a
temproray condition amendmable by greater use of PrepH?
The facts remain pretty simple. neither the US or the UK can claim to be
any grand role model for universal suffrage, and just as the US can't erase
the stain of slavery, the once wealthy merchants of Bristol can no less
disregard the awful trade that enriched their city. As for women voting,
they were able to do so in fits and starts in big (if modestly populated)
chunks of the US before the UK's polls were open to them. Boastful and
boosting US textbooks, products of a once more egalitarian society, always
applauded Lady Astor because of her election to Parliament, until recent
decades celebrating her birth rather than her sex, but then Mr. Churchill
certainly understood the benefits available to him and to the UK by
emphasizing the place of his mother's birth when dealing with potential
troublesome US media and politicians.
These days there's a entire cottage industry in "picture windowing"
history's heroines for world's long-repressed womenfolk. Political
correctness and loud female advocates demand it, and in some quarters it
becomes almost pathetically overdone. Fortunately, the French seem to have
been immune, always safely hiding behind monuments to Jeanne d'Arc and able
to lay her death at the feet of those grubby English clerics and soldiers.
Even the normally pragmatic "Mainland" Chinese went through a severe bout
of illness with a politically correct female personality cult of their own
before deciding that she too could be cast into a cultural dungheap, once a
saint, now simply a perverse and corrupt dragon lady as evil as Madame
Chiang had been portrayed to be (and likely was).
TMO
> Following up to Olivers
>
>>Didn't women already have the right to vote and did so in a number of
>>US states? One could conclude that universal suffrage actually came
>>earlier to big chunks of the US before women could vote anywhere in
>>the UK.
>
> depends if your objective to to have a US UK yah boo or not.
...and now, the humor-impaired and Kleenex-skinned having chimed in with
his usual and expectable whinging, we can all return to our morning coffee.
Mike, you couldn't differentiate between salutory jibes and national
criticism were both to strike you "up side the haid" like flounder and
fluke...
I consider it an unmatched honor to reside in your killfile (but note that
you'll still be forced to bear my gratutitous insults by others quoting
them). Do your younger relatives still call you Grumpy? Or is this just a
temproray condition amendmable by greater use of PrepH?
The facts remain pretty simple. neither the US or the UK can claim to be
any grand role model for universal suffrage, and just as the US can't erase
the stain of slavery, the once wealthy merchants of Bristol can no less
disregard the awful trade that enriched their city. As for women voting,
they were able to do so in fits and starts in big (if modestly populated)
chunks of the US before the UK's polls were open to them. Boastful and
boosting US textbooks, products of a once more egalitarian society, always
applauded Lady Astor because of her election to Parliament, until recent
decades celebrating her birth rather than her sex, but then Mr. Churchill
certainly understood the benefits available to him and to the UK by
emphasizing the place of his mother's birth when dealing with potential
troublesome US media and politicians.
These days there's a entire cottage industry in "picture windowing"
history's heroines for world's long-repressed womenfolk. Political
correctness and loud female advocates demand it, and in some quarters it
becomes almost pathetically overdone. Fortunately, the French seem to have
been immune, always safely hiding behind monuments to Jeanne d'Arc and able
to lay her death at the feet of those grubby English clerics and soldiers.
Even the normally pragmatic "Mainland" Chinese went through a severe bout
of illness with a politically correct female personality cult of their own
before deciding that she too could be cast into a cultural dungheap, once a
saint, now simply a perverse and corrupt dragon lady as evil as Madame
Chiang had been portrayed to be (and likely was).
TMO
Aug 20th 2004, 7:05 am
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Re: OT trivia question was best way to travel
On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:08:00 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to PJW
>>Define 'full democracy". As I recall, the USA gave the vote to women
>>in 1920 - is that what this question is driving at?
>It was the anniversary, they mentioned it on the radio that
>morning along with other things that happened on that day.
>I would say "full democracy" is everyone having a vote and all
>position of power being elected, so the EU probably fails with
>its appointed commissioners :-( I suppose the argument is they
>are appointed by someone elected and have been elected to other
>posts themselves. Bit "iffy" though, especially when its
>"resigned again" Mandelson.
In how many place is the chief of police elected?
Of course, I grant you that sheriffs are generaally elected in
the USA.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to PJW
>>Define 'full democracy". As I recall, the USA gave the vote to women
>>in 1920 - is that what this question is driving at?
>It was the anniversary, they mentioned it on the radio that
>morning along with other things that happened on that day.
>I would say "full democracy" is everyone having a vote and all
>position of power being elected, so the EU probably fails with
>its appointed commissioners :-( I suppose the argument is they
>are appointed by someone elected and have been elected to other
>posts themselves. Bit "iffy" though, especially when its
>"resigned again" Mandelson.
In how many place is the chief of police elected?
Of course, I grant you that sheriffs are generaally elected in
the USA.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Aug 20th 2004, 8:33 am
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Re: OT trivia question was best way to travel
Olivers <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
> Didn't women already have the right to vote and did so in a number of US
> states? One could conclude that universal suffrage actually came earlier
> to big chunks of the US before women could vote anywhere in the UK.
>
> TMO
And then there was the little matter of the poll tax, which kept
millions from voting. So you couldn't say there was full democracy
until that was eliminated, which was in the 1960's, I believe....
>
> Didn't women already have the right to vote and did so in a number of US
> states? One could conclude that universal suffrage actually came earlier
> to big chunks of the US before women could vote anywhere in the UK.
>
> TMO
And then there was the little matter of the poll tax, which kept
millions from voting. So you couldn't say there was full democracy
until that was eliminated, which was in the 1960's, I believe....
Aug 20th 2004, 9:10 am
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Re: OT trivia question was best way to travel
S Viemeister <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> The Reids wrote:
> >
> > Following up to S Viemeister
> >
> > >So, no - I haven't an answer.
> >
> > The question again:-
> >
> > Heres another, which country became a full democracy on this date
> > (18th it was posted on)
> > in 1920?
> >
> This time, I paid attention - you wrote 'full democracy', but I was
> thinking 'independence'.
What is "full democracy?"
> The USA, when Tennessee ratified the amendment giving women the right to
> vote.
Then what was the 26th amendment about? Would that be "full democracy plus."
> The Reids wrote:
> >
> > Following up to S Viemeister
> >
> > >So, no - I haven't an answer.
> >
> > The question again:-
> >
> > Heres another, which country became a full democracy on this date
> > (18th it was posted on)
> > in 1920?
> >
> This time, I paid attention - you wrote 'full democracy', but I was
> thinking 'independence'.
What is "full democracy?"
> The USA, when Tennessee ratified the amendment giving women the right to
> vote.
Then what was the 26th amendment about? Would that be "full democracy plus."
Aug 22nd 2004, 10:29 pm
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Re: OT trivia question was best way to travel
Following up to Hatunen
>>I would say "full democracy" is everyone having a vote and all
>>position of power being elected, so the EU probably fails with
>>its appointed commissioners :-( I suppose the argument is they
>>are appointed by someone elected and have been elected to other
>>posts themselves. Bit "iffy" though, especially when its
>>"resigned again" Mandelson.
>In how many place is the chief of police elected?
In how many places do the chiefs of police make laws?
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>>I would say "full democracy" is everyone having a vote and all
>>position of power being elected, so the EU probably fails with
>>its appointed commissioners :-( I suppose the argument is they
>>are appointed by someone elected and have been elected to other
>>posts themselves. Bit "iffy" though, especially when its
>>"resigned again" Mandelson.
>In how many place is the chief of police elected?
In how many places do the chiefs of police make laws?
--
Mike Reid
If god wanted us to be vegetarians he wouldn't have made animals out of meat.
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Aug 22nd 2004, 10:47 pm
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Re: OT trivia question was best way to travel
On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 11:29:02 +0100, The Reids
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Hatunen
>>>I would say "full democracy" is everyone having a vote and all
>>>position of power being elected, so the EU probably fails with
>>>its appointed commissioners :-( I suppose the argument is they
>>>are appointed by someone elected and have been elected to other
>>>posts themselves. Bit "iffy" though, especially when its
>>>"resigned again" Mandelson.
>>In how many place is the chief of police elected?
>In how many places do the chiefs of police make laws?
and get a kickback/percentage of the fines
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Following up to Hatunen
>>>I would say "full democracy" is everyone having a vote and all
>>>position of power being elected, so the EU probably fails with
>>>its appointed commissioners :-( I suppose the argument is they
>>>are appointed by someone elected and have been elected to other
>>>posts themselves. Bit "iffy" though, especially when its
>>>"resigned again" Mandelson.
>>In how many place is the chief of police elected?
>In how many places do the chiefs of police make laws?
and get a kickback/percentage of the fines
