Best means of travel?
Jun 8th 2004, 8:39 pm
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Best means of travel?
Having disagreed over this with MC (IIRC) I drew up a mental list
assuming time and cost not issues.
1.Ship/boat (by a nautical mile) but not a cruise or out of
sight of land for ages.
2.Walk
3.Car
4.Run
5.Taxi
6.Cycle (if roads quiet)
7.Train
8.Plane (private self drive plane would be number 2)
9.Bus/coach
10.Cycle (if roads busy or if cycle is unicycle)
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Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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assuming time and cost not issues.
1.Ship/boat (by a nautical mile) but not a cruise or out of
sight of land for ages.
2.Walk
3.Car
4.Run
5.Taxi
6.Cycle (if roads quiet)
7.Train
8.Plane (private self drive plane would be number 2)
9.Bus/coach
10.Cycle (if roads busy or if cycle is unicycle)
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Jun 9th 2004, 4:19 am
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Re: Best means of travel?
Following up to erilar
> I have NO interest in driving so I
>can't sightsee and have to spend unconscionable amounts of time looking
>for a parking place--after which I may have to walk considerable
>distances anyway.
That might be true for urban visits, but my recent trip to the
Hebrides would not have worked by any other method than car,
where the concept of finding a parking place is unknown!
That goes for most "wilderness" type trips I do.
(I included "running" from memory, its no longer much of a
practical option for me, either! But not a bad way to travel a
shortish distance).
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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> I have NO interest in driving so I
>can't sightsee and have to spend unconscionable amounts of time looking
>for a parking place--after which I may have to walk considerable
>distances anyway.
That might be true for urban visits, but my recent trip to the
Hebrides would not have worked by any other method than car,
where the concept of finding a parking place is unknown!
That goes for most "wilderness" type trips I do.
(I included "running" from memory, its no longer much of a
practical option for me, either! But not a bad way to travel a
shortish distance).
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Jun 9th 2004, 4:54 am
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Following up to The Reids
>That might be true for urban visits, but my recent trip to the
>Hebrides would not have worked by any other method than car,
>where the concept of finding a parking place is unknown!
>That goes for most "wilderness" type trips I do.
I missed the point there, didn't I. Its supposed to be what I
enjoy, not what's practical. Start again, I enjoy the act of
driving (on non urban roads) and the privacy and ability to carry
lots of luggage without aggravation. Also the ability to turn off
when and where I fancy. A boat is even better because you can
look around without stopping first, walk around.....and drink :-)
(I find privacy a non issue on boats as there always seems to be
lots of space, unlike say a train or bus where someone comes and
sits next to you and plays a walkman).
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
>That might be true for urban visits, but my recent trip to the
>Hebrides would not have worked by any other method than car,
>where the concept of finding a parking place is unknown!
>That goes for most "wilderness" type trips I do.
I missed the point there, didn't I. Its supposed to be what I
enjoy, not what's practical. Start again, I enjoy the act of
driving (on non urban roads) and the privacy and ability to carry
lots of luggage without aggravation. Also the ability to turn off
when and where I fancy. A boat is even better because you can
look around without stopping first, walk around.....and drink :-)
(I find privacy a non issue on boats as there always seems to be
lots of space, unlike say a train or bus where someone comes and
sits next to you and plays a walkman).
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Jun 9th 2004, 4:55 am
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Re: Best means of travel?
In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] wrote:
> Having disagreed over this with MC (IIRC) I drew up a mental list
> assuming time and cost not issues.
>
> 1.Ship/boat (by a nautical mile) but not a cruise or out of
> sight of land for ages.
> 2.Walk
> 3.Car
> 4.Run
> 5.Taxi
> 6.Cycle (if roads quiet)
> 7.Train
> 8.Plane (private self drive plane would be number 2)
> 9.Bus/coach
> 10.Cycle (if roads busy or if cycle is unicycle)
Opinions differ, of course, but I would move train well up the list. I'm
not young enough to walk too far, much less run, nor agile enough to
bike, and as I normally travel alone, I have NO interest in driving so I
can't sightsee and have to spend unconscionable amounts of time looking
for a parking place--after which I may have to walk considerable
distances anyway. The bus is for extending my train trips and the taxi
for when there is no bus and I need to go further than I wish to walk.
The ship within sight of land I'm trying next fall 8-)
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)
You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument
is that reason doesn't count. Isaac Asimov
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[email protected] wrote:
> Having disagreed over this with MC (IIRC) I drew up a mental list
> assuming time and cost not issues.
>
> 1.Ship/boat (by a nautical mile) but not a cruise or out of
> sight of land for ages.
> 2.Walk
> 3.Car
> 4.Run
> 5.Taxi
> 6.Cycle (if roads quiet)
> 7.Train
> 8.Plane (private self drive plane would be number 2)
> 9.Bus/coach
> 10.Cycle (if roads busy or if cycle is unicycle)
Opinions differ, of course, but I would move train well up the list. I'm
not young enough to walk too far, much less run, nor agile enough to
bike, and as I normally travel alone, I have NO interest in driving so I
can't sightsee and have to spend unconscionable amounts of time looking
for a parking place--after which I may have to walk considerable
distances anyway. The bus is for extending my train trips and the taxi
for when there is no bus and I need to go further than I wish to walk.
The ship within sight of land I'm trying next fall 8-)
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)
You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument
is that reason doesn't count. Isaac Asimov
Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
Jun 9th 2004, 12:13 pm
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Re: Best means of travel?
If you get elite status on Northwest, and start receiving unlimited
automatic free First Class upgrades on domestic flights, then #8 starts
feeling more like #1.
> 1.Ship/boat (by a nautical mile) but not a cruise or out of
> sight of land for ages.
> 2.Walk
> 3.Car
> 4.Run
> 5.Taxi
> 6.Cycle (if roads quiet)
> 7.Train
> 8.Plane (private self drive plane would be number 2)
> 9.Bus/coach
> 10.Cycle (if roads busy or if cycle is unicycle)
automatic free First Class upgrades on domestic flights, then #8 starts
feeling more like #1.
> 1.Ship/boat (by a nautical mile) but not a cruise or out of
> sight of land for ages.
> 2.Walk
> 3.Car
> 4.Run
> 5.Taxi
> 6.Cycle (if roads quiet)
> 7.Train
> 8.Plane (private self drive plane would be number 2)
> 9.Bus/coach
> 10.Cycle (if roads busy or if cycle is unicycle)
Jun 9th 2004, 1:00 pm
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Re: Best means of travel?
In article <[email protected]>,
The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
> Having disagreed over this with MC (IIRC) I drew up a mental list
> assuming time and cost not issues.
>
> 1.Ship/boat (by a nautical mile) but not a cruise or out of
> sight of land for ages.
> 2.Walk
> 3.Car
> 4.Run
> 5.Taxi
> 6.Cycle (if roads quiet)
> 7.Train
> 8.Plane (private self drive plane would be number 2)
> 9.Bus/coach
> 10.Cycle (if roads busy or if cycle is unicycle)
Wouldn't this depend on where one is traveling, and from where?
Also, unless you're Bill Gates or Warren Buffet, chances are, cost is a
very important factor, and so too probably is time.
The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
> Having disagreed over this with MC (IIRC) I drew up a mental list
> assuming time and cost not issues.
>
> 1.Ship/boat (by a nautical mile) but not a cruise or out of
> sight of land for ages.
> 2.Walk
> 3.Car
> 4.Run
> 5.Taxi
> 6.Cycle (if roads quiet)
> 7.Train
> 8.Plane (private self drive plane would be number 2)
> 9.Bus/coach
> 10.Cycle (if roads busy or if cycle is unicycle)
Wouldn't this depend on where one is traveling, and from where?
Also, unless you're Bill Gates or Warren Buffet, chances are, cost is a
very important factor, and so too probably is time.
Jun 9th 2004, 2:02 pm
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The Reids <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Having disagreed over this with MC (IIRC) I drew up a mental list
> assuming time and cost not issues.
>
> 1.Ship/boat (by a nautical mile) but not a cruise or out of
> sight of land for ages.
> 2.Walk
> 3.Car
> 4.Run
> 5.Taxi
> 6.Cycle (if roads quiet)
> 7.Train
> 8.Plane (private self drive plane would be number 2)
> 9.Bus/coach
> 10.Cycle (if roads busy or if cycle is unicycle)
1. private plane
2. airline
3. private yacht
4. rail
5. ferry/cruise ship
6. car (if I could drive, which I can't)
7. bus/coach
8. bicycle
9. walk (wouldn't consider it for long distance
Z. taxi (wouldn't consider it unless I missed the train - which I've been
known to do ...)
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news:[email protected]:
> Having disagreed over this with MC (IIRC) I drew up a mental list
> assuming time and cost not issues.
>
> 1.Ship/boat (by a nautical mile) but not a cruise or out of
> sight of land for ages.
> 2.Walk
> 3.Car
> 4.Run
> 5.Taxi
> 6.Cycle (if roads quiet)
> 7.Train
> 8.Plane (private self drive plane would be number 2)
> 9.Bus/coach
> 10.Cycle (if roads busy or if cycle is unicycle)
1. private plane
2. airline
3. private yacht
4. rail
5. ferry/cruise ship
6. car (if I could drive, which I can't)
7. bus/coach
8. bicycle
9. walk (wouldn't consider it for long distance
Z. taxi (wouldn't consider it unless I missed the train - which I've been
known to do ...)
--
Das geht alles von Ihrer Zeit ab.
http://www.wschwanke.de/ usenet_20031215 (AT) wschwanke (DOT) de
Jun 9th 2004, 8:31 pm
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The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
> I missed the point there, didn't I. Its supposed to be what I
> enjoy, not what's practical. Start again, I enjoy the act of
> driving (on non urban roads) and the privacy and ability to carry
> lots of luggage without aggravation. Also the ability to turn off
> when and where I fancy. A boat is even better because you can
> look around without stopping first, walk around.....and drink :-)
> (I find privacy a non issue on boats as there always seems to be
> lots of space, unlike say a train or bus where someone comes and
> sits next to you and plays a walkman).
It's really hard to beat the train, when everything goes smoothly. I had
to take a return journey from Manchester to Newcastle yesterday on
business, and the train in both directions wasn't too full. I got a
great deal of work done in preparation for the examining I'm doing today
at college, and managed to have a couple of drinks on the way back down!
Also, the scenery was mostly wonderful, and the carriage was decently
air conditioned, but not too much. I think it would be nothing short of
masochistic to have driven the same journey!
David
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> I missed the point there, didn't I. Its supposed to be what I
> enjoy, not what's practical. Start again, I enjoy the act of
> driving (on non urban roads) and the privacy and ability to carry
> lots of luggage without aggravation. Also the ability to turn off
> when and where I fancy. A boat is even better because you can
> look around without stopping first, walk around.....and drink :-)
> (I find privacy a non issue on boats as there always seems to be
> lots of space, unlike say a train or bus where someone comes and
> sits next to you and plays a walkman).
It's really hard to beat the train, when everything goes smoothly. I had
to take a return journey from Manchester to Newcastle yesterday on
business, and the train in both directions wasn't too full. I got a
great deal of work done in preparation for the examining I'm doing today
at college, and managed to have a couple of drinks on the way back down!
Also, the scenery was mostly wonderful, and the carriage was decently
air conditioned, but not too much. I think it would be nothing short of
masochistic to have driven the same journey!
David
--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jun 9th 2004, 8:59 pm
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Any of the means you list could be the best under certain
circumstances.
The best WAY to travel is to hitch-hike. You learn more in a few
minutes in the privacy of a local's home (car) that most books will
ever provide.
For those who are concerned about parking and traffic, second best is
via motorcycle.
> 1.Ship/boat (by a nautical mile) but not a cruise or out of
> sight of land for ages.
> 2.Walk
> 3.Car
> 4.Run
> 5.Taxi
> 6.Cycle (if roads quiet)
> 7.Train
> 8.Plane (private self drive plane would be number 2)
> 9.Bus/coach
> 10.Cycle (if roads busy or if cycle is unicycle)
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circumstances.
The best WAY to travel is to hitch-hike. You learn more in a few
minutes in the privacy of a local's home (car) that most books will
ever provide.
For those who are concerned about parking and traffic, second best is
via motorcycle.
> 1.Ship/boat (by a nautical mile) but not a cruise or out of
> sight of land for ages.
> 2.Walk
> 3.Car
> 4.Run
> 5.Taxi
> 6.Cycle (if roads quiet)
> 7.Train
> 8.Plane (private self drive plane would be number 2)
> 9.Bus/coach
> 10.Cycle (if roads busy or if cycle is unicycle)
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Jun 10th 2004, 12:13 am
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Following up to David Horne
>It's really hard to beat the train, when everything goes smoothly. I had
>to take a return journey from Manchester to Newcastle yesterday on
>business, and the train in both directions wasn't too full. I got a
>great deal of work done in preparation for the examining I'm doing today
>at college, and managed to have a couple of drinks on the way back down!
>Also, the scenery was mostly wonderful, and the carriage was decently
>air conditioned, but not too much. I think it would be nothing short of
>masochistic to have driven the same journey!
city to city let the train take the strain.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
>It's really hard to beat the train, when everything goes smoothly. I had
>to take a return journey from Manchester to Newcastle yesterday on
>business, and the train in both directions wasn't too full. I got a
>great deal of work done in preparation for the examining I'm doing today
>at college, and managed to have a couple of drinks on the way back down!
>Also, the scenery was mostly wonderful, and the carriage was decently
>air conditioned, but not too much. I think it would be nothing short of
>masochistic to have driven the same journey!
city to city let the train take the strain.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Jun 10th 2004, 4:40 am
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press send too quickly. In the days when annual season ticket
holders got cheap intercity tickets we went to Bath, York etc for
daytrips. Worked OK until trains played up on York return and we
didnt get back till the next day having had to go via west coast!
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
holders got cheap intercity tickets we went to Bath, York etc for
daytrips. Worked OK until trains played up on York return and we
didnt get back till the next day having had to go via west coast!
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Jun 10th 2004, 7:18 pm
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Following up to Douglas W. Hoyt
>If you get elite status on Northwest, and start receiving unlimited
>automatic free First Class upgrades on domestic flights, then #8 starts
>feeling more like #1.
I'm sure it would, but the £1 Ryan flights don't tend to do that
sort of thing!
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
>If you get elite status on Northwest, and start receiving unlimited
>automatic free First Class upgrades on domestic flights, then #8 starts
>feeling more like #1.
I'm sure it would, but the £1 Ryan flights don't tend to do that
sort of thing!
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Eat-walk-Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Jun 10th 2004, 7:21 pm
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Following up to Wolfgang Schwanke
>9. walk (wouldn't consider it for long distance
I walked from London to the source of the Thames, any other
method of "transport" would have made the enterprise pointless!
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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>9. walk (wouldn't consider it for long distance
I walked from London to the source of the Thames, any other
method of "transport" would have made the enterprise pointless!
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Jun 10th 2004, 7:22 pm
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Following up to Icono Clast
>Any of the means you list could be the best under certain
>circumstances.
except bus? I cant think when I might prefer a bus (except the
obvious one of no alternative).
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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>Any of the means you list could be the best under certain
>circumstances.
except bus? I cant think when I might prefer a bus (except the
obvious one of no alternative).
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Wasdale-Lake district-Thames path-London "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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Jun 11th 2004, 2:42 am
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The Reids <[email protected]> wrote:
> Having disagreed over this with MC (IIRC) I drew up a mental list
> assuming time and cost not issues.
> 1.Ship/boat (by a nautical mile) but not a cruise or out of
> sight of land for ages.
> 2.Walk
> 3.Car
> 4.Run
> 5.Taxi
> 6.Cycle (if roads quiet)
> 7.Train
> 8.Plane (private self drive plane would be number 2)
> 9.Bus/coach
> 10.Cycle (if roads busy or if cycle is unicycle)
You are, of course, wrong. Shame on you for trying to mislead the public.
1. Bicycle (if roads busy, which is fun)
2. Bicycle (if roads not busy, which is boring)
3. Walk
4. Local/commuter train
5. Long-distance train
6. Fly
76. Bus/coach
648. Taxi
14580. Car
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> Having disagreed over this with MC (IIRC) I drew up a mental list
> assuming time and cost not issues.
> 1.Ship/boat (by a nautical mile) but not a cruise or out of
> sight of land for ages.
> 2.Walk
> 3.Car
> 4.Run
> 5.Taxi
> 6.Cycle (if roads quiet)
> 7.Train
> 8.Plane (private self drive plane would be number 2)
> 9.Bus/coach
> 10.Cycle (if roads busy or if cycle is unicycle)
You are, of course, wrong. Shame on you for trying to mislead the public.
1. Bicycle (if roads busy, which is fun)
2. Bicycle (if roads not busy, which is boring)
3. Walk
4. Local/commuter train
5. Long-distance train
6. Fly
76. Bus/coach
648. Taxi
14580. Car
miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
