azzure

We stayed in the Sorbonne/Luxembourg Gardens area. Felt very safe day
and night, if a bit noisy.

[email protected] wrote:
    > Looking for basic info on not so good areas of Paris.
    > Areas one would avoid during the DAY or Night...
    >
    > thanks!
    >

Rusdc

We rarelly have anyone burning our areas period.
Most figured...its bad for business....


Runge wrote:
    > Lol nice racist remark, what do muslims have to do with that ?
    > America isn't what it used to be...
    > Sigh
    > "Calif Bill" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
    > [email protected] et...
    > >
    > > "Runge" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > >> None, as you know.
    > >> Not the same in your place !
    > >>
    > >> <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
    > >> [email protected] om...
    > >>> Looking for basic info on not so good areas of Paris.
    > >>> Areas one would avoid during the DAY or Night...
    > >>>
    > >>> thanks!
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >
    > > We rarely have Muslims burning the area. So I guess our bad areas are not
    > > the same as yours.
    > >
    > >

Calif Bill

"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:35:00 GMT, "Calif Bill"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>Incidents, but not a month of burning cars and buildings.
    > Except in Los Angeles, twice.
    > --
    > Martin

Not a month.

Runge

breathneck mon amour

"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de
news: [email protected]...
    > "Runge" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >><[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
    >>[email protected] .com...
    >>> Looking for basic info on not so good areas of Paris.
    >>> Areas one would avoid during the DAY or Night...
    >>None, as you know.
    >>Not the same in your place !
    > There is one are in Paris that you should avoid day and night, winter
    > and summer, rain or shine, drunk or sober: wherever gRunge is at the
    > time.
    > --
    > PB
    > The return address has been MUNGED
    > My travel writing: http://www.iol.ie/~draoi/
    >

Calif Bill

"Runge" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Lol nice racist remark, what do muslims have to do with that ?


Not racist, just telling the truth. They were not Muslim youth rioting?

Runge

Lol nice racist remark, what do muslims have to do with that ?
America isn't what it used to be...
Sigh

"Calif Bill" <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
[email protected] et...
    > "Runge" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >> None, as you know.
    >> Not the same in your place !
    >> <[email protected]> a �crit dans le message de news:
    >> [email protected] om...
    >>> Looking for basic info on not so good areas of Paris.
    >>> Areas one would avoid during the DAY or Night...
    >>> thanks!
    > We rarely have Muslims burning the area. So I guess our bad areas are not
    > the same as yours.
    >

Rusdc

lol

true...true...

On Dec 6, 3:33 pm, "Calif Bill" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in messagenews:4f4en2p8logn08shl4d15aih5qqa2fl0gf@4ax .com...
    > > On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:35:00 GMT, "Calif Bill"
    > > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>Incidents, but not a month of burning cars and buildings.
    >
    > > Except in Los Angeles, twice.
    > > --
    >
    > > MartinNot a month.

David Horne

Calif Bill <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:35:00 GMT, "Calif Bill"
    > > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >>Incidents, but not a month of burning cars and buildings.
    > >
    > > Except in Los Angeles, twice.
    > > --
    > >
    > > Martin
    > >
    >
    > Not a month.

Doesn't matter. It was a lot more violent, for a start. What was the
death toll of the one in the early 90s again, post Rodney King? Several
dozen IIRC.

--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
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Stanislas de Kertanguy

David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
deansgate a formul� la demande :
    > Calif Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> "Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:35:00 GMT, "Calif Bill"
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> Incidents, but not a month of burning cars and buildings.
    >>>
    >>> Except in Los Angeles, twice.
    >>> --
    >>>
    >>> Martin
    >>>
    >>
    >> Not a month.
    > Doesn't matter. It was a lot more violent, for a start. What was the
    > death toll of the one in the early 90s again, post Rodney King? Several
    > dozen IIRC.

Not to mention Detroit, or Birmingham ...
Admittedly, the UK seems to have managed it well after Brixton.
Besides, equating the Nov 2005 riots mith Muslims is plain stupid and
derogatory.

--
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substitute "laposte" for "lesptt" to reach me

David Horne

Stanislas de Kertanguy <[email protected]> wrote:

    > David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
    > deansgate a formul� la demande :
    > > Calif Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> "Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> news:[email protected]...
    > >>> On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:35:00 GMT, "Calif Bill"
    > >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>> Incidents, but not a month of burning cars and buildings.
    > >>>
    > >>> Except in Los Angeles, twice.
    > >>> --
    > >>>
    > >>> Martin
    > >>>
    > >>
    > >> Not a month.
    > >
    > > Doesn't matter. It was a lot more violent, for a start. What was the
    > > death toll of the one in the early 90s again, post Rodney King? Several
    > > dozen IIRC.
    >
    > Not to mention Detroit, or Birmingham ...
    > Admittedly, the UK seems to have managed it well after Brixton.

Hm... there have been various riots since, if not as bad as Brixon or
Toxteth- such as those in Oldham, Bradford and Birmingham (UK!). What
the rioters have in common is that they belong to disaffected and often
socially excluded groups.

BTW Stan, that reminds me, I never did thank you for sending the CD. (I
was mid-move at the time, and forgot I'm afraid.) It was terrific, I
really enjoyed it.

--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://www.davidhorne.net/pictures.html http://soundjunction.org

Irwell

On 6 Dec 2006 07:09:46 -0800, [email protected] wrote:

    >Looking for basic info on not so good areas of Paris.
    >Areas one would avoid during the DAY or Night...
    >thanks!

Avoid the Rue de Runge, it leads to Place de Merde.

Nick Fisher

Broadly speaking, most of central Paris (i.e. within the
P�riph�rique) is absurdly safe by the standards of US cities.

I go to Paris frequently and feel more than comfortable wandering
around after dark pretty much anywhere in the 20 arrondissements, with
the possible exception of the 10e (around the Gare du Nord) and the 1e
in the immediate vicinity of Les Halles (the subway station in
particular).

That said, long ago, my girlfriend was attacked at 7pm on a summer's
evening a stone's throw from the Arc de Triomphe, so you never know...
    :(

She had a lucky escape by the way as the attacker dragged her around a
corner and straight in front of a vanload of CRS. They really kicked
the shit out of the guy, blood everywhere, and she was more upset at
that than at the original assault.

You'll have a great visit - enjoy Paris !

Nick

Magda

On 6 Dec 2006 14:21:26 -0800, in rec.travel.europe, "Nick Fisher"
<[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... Broadly speaking, most of central Paris (i.e. within the
... P�riph�rique) is absurdly safe by the standards of US cities.
...
... I go to Paris frequently and feel more than comfortable wandering
... around after dark pretty much anywhere in the 20 arrondissements, with
... the possible exception of the 10e (around the Gare du Nord) and the 1e
... in the immediate vicinity of Les Halles (the subway station in
... particular).
...
... That said, long ago, my girlfriend was attacked at 7pm on a summer's
... evening a stone's throw from the Arc de Triomphe, so you never know...
... :(
...
... She had a lucky escape by the way as the attacker dragged her around a
... corner and straight in front of a vanload of CRS. They really kicked
... the shit out of the guy, blood everywhere, and she was more upset at
... that than at the original assault.

Let's hope he learned his lesson. The area is one of the best guarded in Paris; he was
really stupid and got what was coming to him.

I love happy endings. :)

Martin

On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 20:35:41 +0000, [email protected]
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
deansgate) wrote:

    >Calif Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> "Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >> > On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:35:00 GMT, "Calif Bill"
    >> > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >>Incidents, but not a month of burning cars and buildings.
    >> >
    >> > Except in Los Angeles, twice.
    >> > --
    >> >
    >> > Martin
    >> >
    >>
    >> Not a month.
    >Doesn't matter. It was a lot more violent, for a start. What was the
    >death toll of the one in the early 90s again, post Rodney King? Several
    >dozen IIRC.

The score so far

Race Riots..
1829 Cincinnati, Ohio
1863 New York: Draft Riots
1866 Memphis, Tennessee
1868 New Orleans
9 Dec 1873 Clunes, Australia
14 Sep 1874 New Orleans: The Battle of Liberty Place (38 killed, 79
wounded).
1878 Grant Paris, Louisiana: Colfax Massacre (600+ dead)
10 Nov 1898 Wilmington, North Carolina: (8 killed, 30 wounded)
1900 New Orleans
1904 Springfield, Ohio
1906 Springfield, Ohio
13 Aug 1906 Brownsville, Texas
22 Sep 1906 Atlanta
14 Aug 1908 Springfield, Illinois
2 Jul 1917 East St. Louis, Illinois: (40-200 killed)
23 Aug 1917 Houston, Texas: 19 dead. Later, 13 members of the 24th
Infantry Regiment are hanged.
25 Jul 1918 Chester, Pennsylvania: (5 killed)
26 Jul 1918 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: (4 killed, 60 wounded)
5 Jun 1919 Liverpool.
6 Jun 1919 Newport, England.
11 Jun 1919 Cardiff, Wales.
11 Jun 1919 Barry, England.
11 Jun 1919 Chicago: A riot erupts at the white-only 29th Street Beach.
14 Jun 1919 London.
Jul 1919 Gregg County, Texas
19 Jul 1919 Washington, DC: (40 killed, 150 wounded)
27 Jul 1919 Chicago: At the whites-only 29th Street bridge, a white man
tosses rocks at a group of black boys floating in a raft. He manages to
bean Eugene Williams in the forehead, who panics and drowns. Five days
of rioting ensue. (38 killed, 291 wounded)
27 Jul 1919 Cardiff, Wales
Aug 1919 Knoxville, Tennessee: (7 killed)
31 May 1921 Tulsa, Oklahoma: After a white woman claims that a black man
had grabbed her arm in an elevator, the largest race riot in U.S.
history breaks out. Marauding whites set fire to the exclusively-negro
Greenwood district, leveling its 35 city blocks of black-owned
businesses. Somebody even drops explosives onto the buildings from an
airplane. The official death toll is reported as 36, but later
historians estimate it was more like 300.
1923 Rosewood, Florida: (8 killed, dozens wounded)
Feb 1942 Detroit, Michigan
1943 Beaumont, Texas
1943 Harlem, New York
1 Jun 1943 Los Angeles: Zootsuit riots, between zoot suiters and
sailors. Time Magazine called it "the ugliest brand of mob action since
the coolie race riot of the 1870's."
20 Jun 1943 Detroit, Michigan: (34 killed, 700 wounded)
1946 Columbia, Tennessee: (2 killed, 10 wounded)
1946 Athens, Alabama: (100 wounded)
1946 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
1960 Chattanooga, Tennessee
1960 Biloxi, Mississippi
1960 Jacksonville, Florida
1 Oct 1962 Mississippi
1964 Harlem, New York: (1 killed, 100+ wounded)
1964 Rochester, New York: (4 killed, 350 wounded)
1964 Paterson, New Jersey: (100+ wounded)
1964 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
1964 St. Augustine, Florida
11 Aug 1965 Los Angeles: Watts Riots. (35 killed, 1000 wounded)
1966 Los Angeles: Watts again
Jul 1967 Newark, New Jersey: (23 killed)
23 Jul 1967 Detroit, Michigan: (43 killed)
Jul 1969 York, Pennsylvania: (2 deaths)
4 Jul 1970 Asbury Park, New Jersey: (100 wounded)
17 May 1980 A three-day race riot breaks out after an all-white jury
acquits four white Miami police officers of killing Arthur McDuffie, a
black insurance salesman. The cops had beaten him with their flashlights
and billyclubs, and he died in the hospital. 18 fatalities and more than
$100 million in property damage are the final result.
16 Jan 1989 Three days of race riots begin in Overtown, Miami when a
black man fleeing on motorcycle is killed by a hispanic police officer.
125 blocks are sealed off during the riots.
29 Apr 1992 Los Angeles: Rodney King Riot: (52 killed, 3000 wounded)
1995 Bradford, England.
9 Apr 2001 Cincinnati, Ohio
26 May 2001 Three days of rioting begin in Oldham, England.
Jun 2001 London
7 Jul 2001 Bradford, England.
6 Nov 2002 Antwerp, Belgium
16 Feb 2004 Redfern, Australia (suburb of Sydney)
_________________
--

Martin

Calif Bill

"Stanislas de Kertanguy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
    > deansgate a formul� la demande :
    >> Calif Bill <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>> "Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>> On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:35:00 GMT, "Calif Bill"
    >>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>> Incidents, but not a month of burning cars and buildings.
    >>>> Except in Los Angeles, twice.
    >>>> --
    >>>> Martin
    >>> Not a month.
    >> Doesn't matter. It was a lot more violent, for a start. What was the
    >> death toll of the one in the early 90s again, post Rodney King? Several
    >> dozen IIRC.
    > Not to mention Detroit, or Birmingham ...
    > Admittedly, the UK seems to have managed it well after Brixton.
    > Besides, equating the Nov 2005 riots mith Muslims is plain stupid and
    > derogatory.
    > --
    > remplacez "lesptt" par "laposte" pour me joindre
    > substitute "laposte" for "lesptt" to reach me

They were not Muslim immigrants? Seems as if your reporters are confused
then.