Avoid a car for a day trip too London
Oct 9th 2006, 11:16 pm
#16
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Re: Avoid a car for a day trip too London
Martin schreef:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:56:33 +0100,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:40:49 +0100, "Miss L. Toe"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[email protected]...
> >> >> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:34:26 +0100,
> >> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
> >> >> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >what's your point Jim?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You know my point... That PT is not a viable option for many even
> >> >> >> long journeys in the UK unless you are prepared to spend more money
> >> >> >> and more hassle.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'd ask them to move the meeting an hour later. (I do that a lot.)
> >> >>
> >> >> Unfortunately my time is considerably less valuable than the other
> >> >> attendees - and it would also make the return journey over 5 hours and
> >> >> middle of the night arrival home.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Do a virtual net meeting ?
> >>
> >> If it is just to talk, a telephone conference is sufficient.
> >
> >I find them very unsatisfactory. I'm off to Birmingham this afternoon
> >for a meeting with two people, one I know, one I don't- and all we will
> >do is talk. The face to face is still important I find, and more
> >productive usually. That's about 4 hours travel, just for a two hour
> >meeting, so you could argue about the productivity I suppose- but I'll
> >be able to get three hours work done during the travel...
> I found that a weekly face to face meeting with half a dozen people
> that took a day when they all sat in the same room took one to two
> hours when the same meeting was run as a telephone conference. It also
> avoided people having to travel from all over Europe.
We interviewed a guy via telecon last week. It was great - we could
zoom in on his face to watch his nervous tics while we asked him nasty
questions.
Sadistically,
B;
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:56:33 +0100,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:40:49 +0100, "Miss L. Toe"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[email protected]...
> >> >> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:34:26 +0100,
> >> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
> >> >> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >> >> >what's your point Jim?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You know my point... That PT is not a viable option for many even
> >> >> >> long journeys in the UK unless you are prepared to spend more money
> >> >> >> and more hassle.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'd ask them to move the meeting an hour later. (I do that a lot.)
> >> >>
> >> >> Unfortunately my time is considerably less valuable than the other
> >> >> attendees - and it would also make the return journey over 5 hours and
> >> >> middle of the night arrival home.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Do a virtual net meeting ?
> >>
> >> If it is just to talk, a telephone conference is sufficient.
> >
> >I find them very unsatisfactory. I'm off to Birmingham this afternoon
> >for a meeting with two people, one I know, one I don't- and all we will
> >do is talk. The face to face is still important I find, and more
> >productive usually. That's about 4 hours travel, just for a two hour
> >meeting, so you could argue about the productivity I suppose- but I'll
> >be able to get three hours work done during the travel...
> I found that a weekly face to face meeting with half a dozen people
> that took a day when they all sat in the same room took one to two
> hours when the same meeting was run as a telephone conference. It also
> avoided people having to travel from all over Europe.
We interviewed a guy via telecon last week. It was great - we could
zoom in on his face to watch his nervous tics while we asked him nasty
questions.
Sadistically,
B;
Oct 9th 2006, 11:17 pm
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Re: Avoid a car for a day trip too London
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:10:54 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:06:47 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:50:30 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>If it is just to talk, a telephone conference is sufficient.
>>Indeed, we have those regularly, it's no substitute, particularly if
>>the meeting is to demo things...
>... otherwise it is a very productive alternative.
Not really, text conferences come ahead of voice conferences in their
productivity, both are a long way below f2f's though.
Jim.
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:06:47 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:50:30 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>If it is just to talk, a telephone conference is sufficient.
>>Indeed, we have those regularly, it's no substitute, particularly if
>>the meeting is to demo things...
>... otherwise it is a very productive alternative.
Not really, text conferences come ahead of voice conferences in their
productivity, both are a long way below f2f's though.
Jim.
Oct 9th 2006, 11:21 pm
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Re: Avoid a car for a day trip too London
On 10 Oct 2006 04:16:09 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
>Martin schreef:
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:56:33 +0100,
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
>> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:40:49 +0100, "Miss L. Toe"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> >> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:34:26 +0100,
>> >> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
>> >> >> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >what's your point Jim?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You know my point... That PT is not a viable option for many even
>> >> >> >> long journeys in the UK unless you are prepared to spend more money
>> >> >> >> and more hassle.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I'd ask them to move the meeting an hour later. (I do that a lot.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Unfortunately my time is considerably less valuable than the other
>> >> >> attendees - and it would also make the return journey over 5 hours and
>> >> >> middle of the night arrival home.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Do a virtual net meeting ?
>> >>
>> >> If it is just to talk, a telephone conference is sufficient.
>> >
>> >I find them very unsatisfactory. I'm off to Birmingham this afternoon
>> >for a meeting with two people, one I know, one I don't- and all we will
>> >do is talk. The face to face is still important I find, and more
>> >productive usually. That's about 4 hours travel, just for a two hour
>> >meeting, so you could argue about the productivity I suppose- but I'll
>> >be able to get three hours work done during the travel...
>> I found that a weekly face to face meeting with half a dozen people
>> that took a day when they all sat in the same room took one to two
>> hours when the same meeting was run as a telephone conference. It also
>> avoided people having to travel from all over Europe.
>We interviewed a guy via telecon last week. It was great - we could
>zoom in on his face to watch his nervous tics while we asked him nasty
>questions.
>Sadistically,
and did you make full use of the electrodes and bright lights?
--
Martin
>Martin schreef:
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:56:33 +0100,
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
>> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:40:49 +0100, "Miss L. Toe"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> >> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:34:26 +0100,
>> >> >> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
>> >> >> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >what's your point Jim?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You know my point... That PT is not a viable option for many even
>> >> >> >> long journeys in the UK unless you are prepared to spend more money
>> >> >> >> and more hassle.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I'd ask them to move the meeting an hour later. (I do that a lot.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Unfortunately my time is considerably less valuable than the other
>> >> >> attendees - and it would also make the return journey over 5 hours and
>> >> >> middle of the night arrival home.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Do a virtual net meeting ?
>> >>
>> >> If it is just to talk, a telephone conference is sufficient.
>> >
>> >I find them very unsatisfactory. I'm off to Birmingham this afternoon
>> >for a meeting with two people, one I know, one I don't- and all we will
>> >do is talk. The face to face is still important I find, and more
>> >productive usually. That's about 4 hours travel, just for a two hour
>> >meeting, so you could argue about the productivity I suppose- but I'll
>> >be able to get three hours work done during the travel...
>> I found that a weekly face to face meeting with half a dozen people
>> that took a day when they all sat in the same room took one to two
>> hours when the same meeting was run as a telephone conference. It also
>> avoided people having to travel from all over Europe.
>We interviewed a guy via telecon last week. It was great - we could
>zoom in on his face to watch his nervous tics while we asked him nasty
>questions.
>Sadistically,
and did you make full use of the electrodes and bright lights?
--
Martin
Oct 9th 2006, 11:23 pm
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Re: Avoid a car for a day trip too London
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:17:05 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:10:54 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:06:47 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:50:30 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>If it is just to talk, a telephone conference is sufficient.
>>>Indeed, we have those regularly, it's no substitute, particularly if
>>>the meeting is to demo things...
>>... otherwise it is a very productive alternative.
>Not really, text conferences come ahead of voice conferences in their
>productivity, both are a long way below f2f's though.
In your humble opinion. My opinion and experience seems to be very
different to yours.
--
Martin
>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:10:54 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:06:47 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>>On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:50:30 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>If it is just to talk, a telephone conference is sufficient.
>>>Indeed, we have those regularly, it's no substitute, particularly if
>>>the meeting is to demo things...
>>... otherwise it is a very productive alternative.
>Not really, text conferences come ahead of voice conferences in their
>productivity, both are a long way below f2f's though.
In your humble opinion. My opinion and experience seems to be very
different to yours.
--
Martin
Oct 9th 2006, 11:27 pm
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Re: Avoid a car for a day trip too London
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:56:33 +0100,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> >> If it is just to talk, a telephone conference is sufficient.
> >
> >I find them very unsatisfactory. I'm off to Birmingham this afternoon
> >for a meeting with two people, one I know, one I don't- and all we will
> >do is talk. The face to face is still important I find, and more
> >productive usually. That's about 4 hours travel, just for a two hour
> >meeting, so you could argue about the productivity I suppose- but I'll
> >be able to get three hours work done during the travel...
>
> I found that a weekly face to face meeting with half a dozen people
> that took a day when they all sat in the same room took one to two
> hours when the same meeting was run as a telephone conference. It also
> avoided people having to travel from all over Europe.
If it was weekly with the same people, then maybe telephone would be
better. It certainly doesn't work as well as face to face for the kind
of thing I do.
--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://www.davidhorne.net/pictures.html http://soundjunction.org
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:56:33 +0100,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> >> If it is just to talk, a telephone conference is sufficient.
> >
> >I find them very unsatisfactory. I'm off to Birmingham this afternoon
> >for a meeting with two people, one I know, one I don't- and all we will
> >do is talk. The face to face is still important I find, and more
> >productive usually. That's about 4 hours travel, just for a two hour
> >meeting, so you could argue about the productivity I suppose- but I'll
> >be able to get three hours work done during the travel...
>
> I found that a weekly face to face meeting with half a dozen people
> that took a day when they all sat in the same room took one to two
> hours when the same meeting was run as a telephone conference. It also
> avoided people having to travel from all over Europe.
If it was weekly with the same people, then maybe telephone would be
better. It certainly doesn't work as well as face to face for the kind
of thing I do.
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://www.davidhorne.net/pictures.html http://soundjunction.org
Oct 9th 2006, 11:38 pm
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Re: Avoid a car for a day trip too London
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:27:04 +0100,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:56:33 +0100,
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
>> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> >> If it is just to talk, a telephone conference is sufficient.
>> >
>> >I find them very unsatisfactory. I'm off to Birmingham this afternoon
>> >for a meeting with two people, one I know, one I don't- and all we will
>> >do is talk. The face to face is still important I find, and more
>> >productive usually. That's about 4 hours travel, just for a two hour
>> >meeting, so you could argue about the productivity I suppose- but I'll
>> >be able to get three hours work done during the travel...
>>
>> I found that a weekly face to face meeting with half a dozen people
>> that took a day when they all sat in the same room took one to two
>> hours when the same meeting was run as a telephone conference. It also
>> avoided people having to travel from all over Europe.
>If it was weekly with the same people, then maybe telephone would be
>better.
It was better and it wasn't always the same people.
> It certainly doesn't work as well as face to face for the kind
>of thing I do.
It would do you out of all your train trips too :-)
OTOH I found video conferencing just a distraction.
Teleconferencing was very popular immediately after 9/11 .
--
Martin
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:56:33 +0100,
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
>> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> >> If it is just to talk, a telephone conference is sufficient.
>> >
>> >I find them very unsatisfactory. I'm off to Birmingham this afternoon
>> >for a meeting with two people, one I know, one I don't- and all we will
>> >do is talk. The face to face is still important I find, and more
>> >productive usually. That's about 4 hours travel, just for a two hour
>> >meeting, so you could argue about the productivity I suppose- but I'll
>> >be able to get three hours work done during the travel...
>>
>> I found that a weekly face to face meeting with half a dozen people
>> that took a day when they all sat in the same room took one to two
>> hours when the same meeting was run as a telephone conference. It also
>> avoided people having to travel from all over Europe.
>If it was weekly with the same people, then maybe telephone would be
>better.
It was better and it wasn't always the same people.
> It certainly doesn't work as well as face to face for the kind
>of thing I do.
It would do you out of all your train trips too :-)
OTOH I found video conferencing just a distraction.
Teleconferencing was very popular immediately after 9/11 .
--
Martin
Oct 10th 2006, 1:39 am
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Re: Avoid a car for a day trip too London
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:56:33 +0100,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
> but I'll
>be able to get three hours work done during the travel...
nah, two hours arguning with me on usenet! Can you get TV on your
Laptop? I was thinking about the forthcomnig GP.
--
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[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
> but I'll
>be able to get three hours work done during the travel...
nah, two hours arguning with me on usenet! Can you get TV on your
Laptop? I was thinking about the forthcomnig GP.
--
Mike Reid
I will agree bendybuses are a good idea when they build bungalows on Mayfair
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Oct 10th 2006, 1:39 am
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Re: Avoid a car for a day trip too London
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:23:35 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>what's your point Jim?
>You know my point... That PT is not a viable option for many even
>long journeys in the UK unless you are prepared to spend more money
>and more hassle.
Right, you wanted to let off steam.
--
Mike Reid
I will agree bendybuses are a good idea when they build bungalows on Mayfair
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
>>what's your point Jim?
>You know my point... That PT is not a viable option for many even
>long journeys in the UK unless you are prepared to spend more money
>and more hassle.
Right, you wanted to let off steam.
--
Mike Reid
I will agree bendybuses are a good idea when they build bungalows on Mayfair
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Oct 10th 2006, 1:39 am
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Re: Avoid a car for a day trip too London
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:34:26 +0100,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>The main reason I moved to the centre of Manchester was, while I didn't
>mind taking the tram to where I lived in the suburbs, it just seemed to
>add up to lot of wasted commuting time, which I thought was ultimately
>pointless.
we cant all move to the centre though, can we? I assume you didn't
have your old place blown up and turned into a nature reserve so
someone else is now commuting from there. The commuting problem needs
addressing by new approaches to zoning so people are travelling both
ways. I'm not sure about higher density living? Possibly London has
been allowed to get too big, I think.
--
Mike Reid
I will agree bendybuses are a good idea when they build bungalows on Mayfair
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>The main reason I moved to the centre of Manchester was, while I didn't
>mind taking the tram to where I lived in the suburbs, it just seemed to
>add up to lot of wasted commuting time, which I thought was ultimately
>pointless.
we cant all move to the centre though, can we? I assume you didn't
have your old place blown up and turned into a nature reserve so
someone else is now commuting from there. The commuting problem needs
addressing by new approaches to zoning so people are travelling both
ways. I'm not sure about higher density living? Possibly London has
been allowed to get too big, I think.
--
Mike Reid
I will agree bendybuses are a good idea when they build bungalows on Mayfair
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Oct 10th 2006, 1:39 am
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Re: Avoid a car for a day trip too London
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:27:04 +0100,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>If it was weekly with the same people, then maybe telephone would be
>better. It certainly doesn't work as well as face to face for the kind
>of thing I do.
I don't think you can overestimate the value of establishing a proper
relationship, of course in some cases you find you hate each other!
--
Mike Reid
I will agree bendybuses are a good idea when they build bungalows on Mayfair
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>If it was weekly with the same people, then maybe telephone would be
>better. It certainly doesn't work as well as face to face for the kind
>of thing I do.
I don't think you can overestimate the value of establishing a proper
relationship, of course in some cases you find you hate each other!
--
Mike Reid
I will agree bendybuses are a good idea when they build bungalows on Mayfair
Walk-eat-photos UK "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Walk-eat-photos Spain "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk"
Oct 10th 2006, 8:40 am
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Re: Avoid a car for a day trip too London
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 11:40:49 +0100, "Miss L. Toe"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:34:26 +0100,
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
>> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>> >Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >what's your point Jim?
>> >>
>> >> You know my point... That PT is not a viable option for many even
>> >> long journeys in the UK unless you are prepared to spend more money
>> >> and more hassle.
>> >
>> >I'd ask them to move the meeting an hour later. (I do that a lot.)
>> Unfortunately my time is considerably less valuable than the other
>> attendees - and it would also make the return journey over 5 hours and
>> middle of the night arrival home.
>Do a virtual net meeting ?
Those things are more of a waste of time than a normal meeting. Why
don't people realise that no real decisions ever happen in meetings,
and that by not participating simply makes you appear too important to
participate.
The trick is to find out who is actually going to attend, and deal
with whoever isn't.
Don't tell anyone I told you that!
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
<[email protected]> wrote:
>"Jim Ley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:34:26 +0100,
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
>> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>> >Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >what's your point Jim?
>> >>
>> >> You know my point... That PT is not a viable option for many even
>> >> long journeys in the UK unless you are prepared to spend more money
>> >> and more hassle.
>> >
>> >I'd ask them to move the meeting an hour later. (I do that a lot.)
>> Unfortunately my time is considerably less valuable than the other
>> attendees - and it would also make the return journey over 5 hours and
>> middle of the night arrival home.
>Do a virtual net meeting ?
Those things are more of a waste of time than a normal meeting. Why
don't people realise that no real decisions ever happen in meetings,
and that by not participating simply makes you appear too important to
participate.
The trick is to find out who is actually going to attend, and deal
with whoever isn't.
Don't tell anyone I told you that!
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
Oct 10th 2006, 9:00 am
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Re: Avoid a car for a day trip too London
Mike Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:27:04 +0100,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>
> >If it was weekly with the same people, then maybe telephone would be
> >better. It certainly doesn't work as well as face to face for the kind
> >of thing I do.
>
> I don't think you can overestimate the value of establishing a proper
> relationship, of course in some cases you find you hate each other!
True- I find arts-related meetings very 'personal'- I'd find it hard to
do on the phone.
--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://www.davidhorne.net/pictures.html http://soundjunction.org
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:27:04 +0100,
> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>
> >If it was weekly with the same people, then maybe telephone would be
> >better. It certainly doesn't work as well as face to face for the kind
> >of thing I do.
>
> I don't think you can overestimate the value of establishing a proper
> relationship, of course in some cases you find you hate each other!
True- I find arts-related meetings very 'personal'- I'd find it hard to
do on the phone.
--
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Oct 10th 2006, 9:00 am
#28
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Re: Avoid a car for a day trip too London
Mike Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:23:35 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>
> >>what's your point Jim?
> >
> >You know my point... That PT is not a viable option for many even
> >long journeys in the UK unless you are prepared to spend more money
> >and more hassle.
>
> Right, you wanted to let off steam.
I get people to rearrange meetings around my public transport schedule.
I never get hassle for it- indeed, quite the opposite. Jim should maybe
move into the arts! :)
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> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:23:35 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>
> >>what's your point Jim?
> >
> >You know my point... That PT is not a viable option for many even
> >long journeys in the UK unless you are prepared to spend more money
> >and more hassle.
>
> Right, you wanted to let off steam.
I get people to rearrange meetings around my public transport schedule.
I never get hassle for it- indeed, quite the opposite. Jim should maybe
move into the arts! :)
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://www.davidhorne.net/pictures.html http://soundjunction.org
Oct 10th 2006, 9:07 am
#29
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Re: Avoid a car for a day trip too London
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:00:31 +0100,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>Mike Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:27:04 +0100,
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
>> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>>
>> >If it was weekly with the same people, then maybe telephone would be
>> >better. It certainly doesn't work as well as face to face for the kind
>> >of thing I do.
>>
>> I don't think you can overestimate the value of establishing a proper
>> relationship, of course in some cases you find you hate each other!
>True- I find arts-related meetings very 'personal'- I'd find it hard to
>do on the phone.
Technical meetings are simple to do on the phone.
--
Martin
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>Mike Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 12:27:04 +0100,
>> [email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
>> the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>>
>> >If it was weekly with the same people, then maybe telephone would be
>> >better. It certainly doesn't work as well as face to face for the kind
>> >of thing I do.
>>
>> I don't think you can overestimate the value of establishing a proper
>> relationship, of course in some cases you find you hate each other!
>True- I find arts-related meetings very 'personal'- I'd find it hard to
>do on the phone.
Technical meetings are simple to do on the phone.
--
Martin
Oct 10th 2006, 9:43 am
#30
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Re: Avoid a car for a day trip too London
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 22:00:33 +0100,
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>Mike Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:23:35 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>
>> >>what's your point Jim?
>> >
>> >You know my point... That PT is not a viable option for many even
>> >long journeys in the UK unless you are prepared to spend more money
>> >and more hassle.
>>
>> Right, you wanted to let off steam.
>I get people to rearrange meetings around my public transport schedule.
>I never get hassle for it- indeed, quite the opposite. Jim should maybe
>move into the arts! :)
Or just only agree to meet people less important than me - which might
be good, as then I'd probably have no meetings at all. Fortunately
the meeting has been moved to the evil place with the killer mozzies
so I'll just not turn up, even better!
Jim.
[email protected] (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
the royal duchy of city south and deansgate) wrote:
>Mike Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 09:23:35 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>>
>> >>what's your point Jim?
>> >
>> >You know my point... That PT is not a viable option for many even
>> >long journeys in the UK unless you are prepared to spend more money
>> >and more hassle.
>>
>> Right, you wanted to let off steam.
>I get people to rearrange meetings around my public transport schedule.
>I never get hassle for it- indeed, quite the opposite. Jim should maybe
>move into the arts! :)
Or just only agree to meet people less important than me - which might
be good, as then I'd probably have no meetings at all. Fortunately
the meeting has been moved to the evil place with the killer mozzies
so I'll just not turn up, even better!
Jim.
