Austria Snubs Starbucks
Jan 1st 2005, 9:19 pm
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Austria Snubs Starbucks
Starbucks finds little favor in nation that loves tradition
VIENNA, AUSTRIA - It seemed so brash and, to many Viennese, so American when
Starbucks arrived three years ago bearing Frappuccinos and caramel
macchiatos into this proud capital of coffeehouse culture.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...siness/2969385
VIENNA, AUSTRIA - It seemed so brash and, to many Viennese, so American when
Starbucks arrived three years ago bearing Frappuccinos and caramel
macchiatos into this proud capital of coffeehouse culture.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...siness/2969385
Jan 2nd 2005, 12:29 am
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I had looked forward, during our trip last year, to patronizing
Vienna's famed coffeehouses. I ended up avoiding them, due to the
"oxygen supply severely compromised by cigarette smoke," as the article
puts it. I felt truly stupid going to Starbucks in Vienna, but it was
the only place where I could enjoy a cup of coffee (and the traditional
free newspapers) and still be able to breathe. So here's to
globalization - at least there's one place in traditional Vienna where
a sinus-suffering person can have coffee without getting sick.
best regards,
Deirdré Straughan
http://www.straughan.com
Vienna's famed coffeehouses. I ended up avoiding them, due to the
"oxygen supply severely compromised by cigarette smoke," as the article
puts it. I felt truly stupid going to Starbucks in Vienna, but it was
the only place where I could enjoy a cup of coffee (and the traditional
free newspapers) and still be able to breathe. So here's to
globalization - at least there's one place in traditional Vienna where
a sinus-suffering person can have coffee without getting sick.
best regards,
Deirdré Straughan
http://www.straughan.com
Jan 2nd 2005, 2:31 am
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[email protected] wrote:
> I had looked forward, during our trip last year, to patronizing
> Vienna's famed coffeehouses. I ended up avoiding them, due to the
> "oxygen supply severely compromised by cigarette smoke," as the
article
> puts it. I felt truly stupid going to Starbucks in Vienna, but it was
> the only place where I could enjoy a cup of coffee (and the
traditional
> free newspapers) and still be able to breathe. So here's to
> globalization - at least there's one place in traditional Vienna
where
> a sinus-suffering person can have coffee without getting sick.
> best regards,
By the way, you don't have to have medical problems to not want to
breathe smoke.
And globalization isn't all bad. Presumably it will result in European
culture making it to the U.S. as well. (Though we Americans probably
won't appreciate it.)
> I had looked forward, during our trip last year, to patronizing
> Vienna's famed coffeehouses. I ended up avoiding them, due to the
> "oxygen supply severely compromised by cigarette smoke," as the
article
> puts it. I felt truly stupid going to Starbucks in Vienna, but it was
> the only place where I could enjoy a cup of coffee (and the
traditional
> free newspapers) and still be able to breathe. So here's to
> globalization - at least there's one place in traditional Vienna
where
> a sinus-suffering person can have coffee without getting sick.
> best regards,
By the way, you don't have to have medical problems to not want to
breathe smoke.
And globalization isn't all bad. Presumably it will result in European
culture making it to the U.S. as well. (Though we Americans probably
won't appreciate it.)
Jan 2nd 2005, 5:20 am
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"Matt Beckwith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> [email protected] wrote:
>> I had looked forward, during our trip last year, to patronizing
>> Vienna's famed coffeehouses. I ended up avoiding them, due to the
>> "oxygen supply severely compromised by cigarette smoke," as the
> article
>> puts it. I felt truly stupid going to Starbucks in Vienna, but it was
>> the only place where I could enjoy a cup of coffee (and the
> traditional
>> free newspapers) and still be able to breathe.
>..............................................
> And globalization isn't all bad. Presumably it will result in European
> culture making it to the U.S. as well. (Though we Americans probably
> won't appreciate it.)
Well, a coffee house where people spend time reading papers, etc, is an
European custom, that's come to the US and bounced back.
Marianne
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> [email protected] wrote:
>> I had looked forward, during our trip last year, to patronizing
>> Vienna's famed coffeehouses. I ended up avoiding them, due to the
>> "oxygen supply severely compromised by cigarette smoke," as the
> article
>> puts it. I felt truly stupid going to Starbucks in Vienna, but it was
>> the only place where I could enjoy a cup of coffee (and the
> traditional
>> free newspapers) and still be able to breathe.
>..............................................
> And globalization isn't all bad. Presumably it will result in European
> culture making it to the U.S. as well. (Though we Americans probably
> won't appreciate it.)
Well, a coffee house where people spend time reading papers, etc, is an
European custom, that's come to the US and bounced back.
Marianne
Jan 2nd 2005, 7:48 am
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szozu wrote:
> Starbucks finds little favor in nation that loves tradition
>
> VIENNA, AUSTRIA - It seemed so brash and, to many Viennese, so American when
> Starbucks arrived three years ago bearing Frappuccinos and caramel
> macchiatos into this proud capital of coffeehouse culture.
Is anyone surprised? Viennese coffee has a reputation for
being among the best in the world - why would any
self-respecting Austrian go to Starbucks, instead? (I do
give Starbucks credit for improving the quality of
restaurant coffee in the U.S., but that used to be so
abysmally bad that almost ANY change would be an improvement!)
> Starbucks finds little favor in nation that loves tradition
>
> VIENNA, AUSTRIA - It seemed so brash and, to many Viennese, so American when
> Starbucks arrived three years ago bearing Frappuccinos and caramel
> macchiatos into this proud capital of coffeehouse culture.
Is anyone surprised? Viennese coffee has a reputation for
being among the best in the world - why would any
self-respecting Austrian go to Starbucks, instead? (I do
give Starbucks credit for improving the quality of
restaurant coffee in the U.S., but that used to be so
abysmally bad that almost ANY change would be an improvement!)
Jan 2nd 2005, 7:51 am
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[email protected] wrote:
> I had looked forward, during our trip last year, to patronizing
> Vienna's famed coffeehouses. I ended up avoiding them, due to the
> "oxygen supply severely compromised by cigarette smoke," as the article
> puts it. I felt truly stupid going to Starbucks in Vienna, but it was
> the only place where I could enjoy a cup of coffee (and the traditional
> free newspapers) and still be able to breathe. So here's to
> globalization - at least there's one place in traditional Vienna where
> a sinus-suffering person can have coffee without getting sick.
Only if you define "coffee" more loosely than I do! (I have
sinus problems, too, and am allergic to tobacco smoke - but
for a cup of decent coffee, I'm willing to suffer for half
an hour or so.)
> best regards,
> Deirdré Straughan
>
> http://www.straughan.com
>
> I had looked forward, during our trip last year, to patronizing
> Vienna's famed coffeehouses. I ended up avoiding them, due to the
> "oxygen supply severely compromised by cigarette smoke," as the article
> puts it. I felt truly stupid going to Starbucks in Vienna, but it was
> the only place where I could enjoy a cup of coffee (and the traditional
> free newspapers) and still be able to breathe. So here's to
> globalization - at least there's one place in traditional Vienna where
> a sinus-suffering person can have coffee without getting sick.
Only if you define "coffee" more loosely than I do! (I have
sinus problems, too, and am allergic to tobacco smoke - but
for a cup of decent coffee, I'm willing to suffer for half
an hour or so.)
> best regards,
> Deirdré Straughan
>
> http://www.straughan.com
>
Jan 2nd 2005, 8:40 am
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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:51:21 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
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>[email protected] wrote:
>> I had looked forward, during our trip last year, to patronizing
>> Vienna's famed coffeehouses. I ended up avoiding them, due to the
>> "oxygen supply severely compromised by cigarette smoke," as the article
>> puts it. I felt truly stupid going to Starbucks in Vienna, but it was
>> the only place where I could enjoy a cup of coffee (and the traditional
>> free newspapers) and still be able to breathe. So here's to
>> globalization - at least there's one place in traditional Vienna where
>> a sinus-suffering person can have coffee without getting sick.
>Only if you define "coffee" more loosely than I do! (I have
>sinus problems, too, and am allergic to tobacco smoke - but
>for a cup of decent coffee, I'm willing to suffer for half
>an hour or so.)
but Starbucks is not decent coffee by most European standards.
If you are allergic to tobacco, you will suffer for more than half an
hour.
--
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>[email protected] wrote:
>> I had looked forward, during our trip last year, to patronizing
>> Vienna's famed coffeehouses. I ended up avoiding them, due to the
>> "oxygen supply severely compromised by cigarette smoke," as the article
>> puts it. I felt truly stupid going to Starbucks in Vienna, but it was
>> the only place where I could enjoy a cup of coffee (and the traditional
>> free newspapers) and still be able to breathe. So here's to
>> globalization - at least there's one place in traditional Vienna where
>> a sinus-suffering person can have coffee without getting sick.
>Only if you define "coffee" more loosely than I do! (I have
>sinus problems, too, and am allergic to tobacco smoke - but
>for a cup of decent coffee, I'm willing to suffer for half
>an hour or so.)
but Starbucks is not decent coffee by most European standards.
If you are allergic to tobacco, you will suffer for more than half an
hour.
--
Martin
Jan 2nd 2005, 9:48 am
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yuuu huuuu anyone noticed that in italy there are NO starbucks....
not even one single small store...
and that any good-sense-of-taste european refers to american/english coffe
as "dirty water"...
portuguese, brazilian and italians know how a real coffee must be!
short and strong with a "round" and smooth taste! to be drinked with a
couple of sips.
starbucks coffee is far far away from a good espresso...
....and all that fancy cappuccini mixed with only-god-knows-what..... i saw
once... PAPAYA CAPPUCCINO......AWWWW YUCK!!
starbucks will never conquer europe!!
ITALIAN ESPRESSO FOREVER!!!
GO AUSTRIA GO!!!
"szozu" <hoppbunny at hotmail com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:[email protected]...
> Starbucks finds little favor in nation that loves tradition
> VIENNA, AUSTRIA - It seemed so brash and, to many Viennese, so American
when
> Starbucks arrived three years ago bearing Frappuccinos and caramel
> macchiatos into this proud capital of coffeehouse culture.
> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...siness/2969385
not even one single small store...
and that any good-sense-of-taste european refers to american/english coffe
as "dirty water"...
portuguese, brazilian and italians know how a real coffee must be!
short and strong with a "round" and smooth taste! to be drinked with a
couple of sips.
starbucks coffee is far far away from a good espresso...
....and all that fancy cappuccini mixed with only-god-knows-what..... i saw
once... PAPAYA CAPPUCCINO......AWWWW YUCK!!
starbucks will never conquer europe!!
ITALIAN ESPRESSO FOREVER!!!
GO AUSTRIA GO!!!
"szozu" <hoppbunny at hotmail com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:[email protected]...
> Starbucks finds little favor in nation that loves tradition
> VIENNA, AUSTRIA - It seemed so brash and, to many Viennese, so American
when
> Starbucks arrived three years ago bearing Frappuccinos and caramel
> macchiatos into this proud capital of coffeehouse culture.
> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...siness/2969385
Jan 2nd 2005, 9:57 am
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nitram wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:51:21 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>I had looked forward, during our trip last year, to patronizing
>>>Vienna's famed coffeehouses. I ended up avoiding them, due to the
>>>"oxygen supply severely compromised by cigarette smoke," as the article
>>>puts it. I felt truly stupid going to Starbucks in Vienna, but it was
>>>the only place where I could enjoy a cup of coffee (and the traditional
>>>free newspapers) and still be able to breathe. So here's to
>>>globalization - at least there's one place in traditional Vienna where
>>>a sinus-suffering person can have coffee without getting sick.
>>Only if you define "coffee" more loosely than I do! (I have
>>sinus problems, too, and am allergic to tobacco smoke - but
>>for a cup of decent coffee, I'm willing to suffer for half
>>an hour or so.)
>
>
> but Starbucks is not decent coffee by most European standards.
Exactly the point I was making! (I think you misread my
post.) I don't patronize Starbuck's in the U.S. (where its
coffee is marginally better than the average
restaurant/"coffee shop"). Why on EARTH would I patronize
it in Vienna, of all places?
>
> If you are allergic to tobacco, you will suffer for more than half an
> hour.
Actually not - as soon as I get into clear air, again, the
stuffiness goes away. (The "half hour" referred to the
minimum length of time required to savor a proper cup of
coffee.)
> On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 12:51:21 -0800, "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>>I had looked forward, during our trip last year, to patronizing
>>>Vienna's famed coffeehouses. I ended up avoiding them, due to the
>>>"oxygen supply severely compromised by cigarette smoke," as the article
>>>puts it. I felt truly stupid going to Starbucks in Vienna, but it was
>>>the only place where I could enjoy a cup of coffee (and the traditional
>>>free newspapers) and still be able to breathe. So here's to
>>>globalization - at least there's one place in traditional Vienna where
>>>a sinus-suffering person can have coffee without getting sick.
>>Only if you define "coffee" more loosely than I do! (I have
>>sinus problems, too, and am allergic to tobacco smoke - but
>>for a cup of decent coffee, I'm willing to suffer for half
>>an hour or so.)
>
>
> but Starbucks is not decent coffee by most European standards.
Exactly the point I was making! (I think you misread my
post.) I don't patronize Starbuck's in the U.S. (where its
coffee is marginally better than the average
restaurant/"coffee shop"). Why on EARTH would I patronize
it in Vienna, of all places?
>
> If you are allergic to tobacco, you will suffer for more than half an
> hour.
Actually not - as soon as I get into clear air, again, the
stuffiness goes away. (The "half hour" referred to the
minimum length of time required to savor a proper cup of
coffee.)
Jan 2nd 2005, 12:50 pm
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> yuuu huuuu anyone noticed that in italy there are NO starbucks....
> not even one single small store.
I wouldn't be so optimistic. A few years ago almost all the
coffee bars in Scotland were run by Italians selling Italian-
style coffee. Now there are Starbucks everywhere. Why should
Italy itself be any different?
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> not even one single small store.
I wouldn't be so optimistic. A few years ago almost all the
coffee bars in Scotland were run by Italians selling Italian-
style coffee. Now there are Starbucks everywhere. Why should
Italy itself be any different?
============== j-c ====== @ ====== purr . demon . co . uk ==============
Jack Campin: 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland | tel 0131 660 4760
<http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/> for CD-ROMs and free | fax 0870 0554 975
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Jan 2nd 2005, 1:28 pm
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Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
> I wouldn't be so optimistic. A few years ago almost all the
> coffee bars in Scotland were run by Italians selling Italian-
> style coffee. Now there are Starbucks everywhere. Why should
> Italy itself be any different?
>
There's even one in Inversneckie.
Sheila
> I wouldn't be so optimistic. A few years ago almost all the
> coffee bars in Scotland were run by Italians selling Italian-
> style coffee. Now there are Starbucks everywhere. Why should
> Italy itself be any different?
>
There's even one in Inversneckie.
Sheila
Jan 2nd 2005, 3:55 pm
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Jack Campin - bogus address writes:
> I wouldn't be so optimistic. A few years ago almost all the
> coffee bars in Scotland were run by Italians selling Italian-
> style coffee. Now there are Starbucks everywhere. Why should
> Italy itself be any different?
Remember that Starbucks can only survive if it has customers. If the
chain is doing well in certain European countries, it is simply because
there are a lot of citizens of those countries who like Starbucks. It
doesn't make much sense to say that nobody likes Starbucks if the chain
is making a ton of money, because it cannot make money unless a lot of
people like it. Denying the reality serves no purpose.
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> I wouldn't be so optimistic. A few years ago almost all the
> coffee bars in Scotland were run by Italians selling Italian-
> style coffee. Now there are Starbucks everywhere. Why should
> Italy itself be any different?
Remember that Starbucks can only survive if it has customers. If the
chain is doing well in certain European countries, it is simply because
there are a lot of citizens of those countries who like Starbucks. It
doesn't make much sense to say that nobody likes Starbucks if the chain
is making a ton of money, because it cannot make money unless a lot of
people like it. Denying the reality serves no purpose.
--
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Jan 2nd 2005, 5:42 pm
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Mxsmanic wrote:
> Remember that Starbucks can only survive if it has customers. If the
> chain is doing well in certain European countries, it is simply
because
> there are a lot of citizens of those countries who like Starbucks.
It
> doesn't make much sense to say that nobody likes Starbucks if the
chain
> is making a ton of money, because it cannot make money unless a lot
of
> people like it. Denying the reality serves no purpose.
Reminds me of the Will Rogers saying: "Nobody goes to that restaurant
any more. It's too crowded."
> Remember that Starbucks can only survive if it has customers. If the
> chain is doing well in certain European countries, it is simply
because
> there are a lot of citizens of those countries who like Starbucks.
It
> doesn't make much sense to say that nobody likes Starbucks if the
chain
> is making a ton of money, because it cannot make money unless a lot
of
> people like it. Denying the reality serves no purpose.
Reminds me of the Will Rogers saying: "Nobody goes to that restaurant
any more. It's too crowded."
Jan 2nd 2005, 7:32 pm
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EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
> (The "half hour" referred to the
> minimum length of time required to savor a proper cup of
> coffee.)
It looks like a very "long" coffee. You almost deserve the Starbucks :-)
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> (The "half hour" referred to the
> minimum length of time required to savor a proper cup of
> coffee.)
It looks like a very "long" coffee. You almost deserve the Starbucks :-)
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Jan 2nd 2005, 8:40 pm
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On Sun, 02 Jan 2005 21:28:58 -0500, S Viemeister
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
>> I wouldn't be so optimistic. A few years ago almost all the
>> coffee bars in Scotland were run by Italians selling Italian-
>> style coffee. Now there are Starbucks everywhere. Why should
>> Italy itself be any different?
>>
>There's even one in Inversneckie.
but none in the Netherlands, www.starbucks.com says they have places
in
Australia
Austria
Beijing
Germany
Greece
Japan
Hawaii
Hong Kong
New Zealand
Shanghai
South Korea
Spain
Switzerland
Taiwan
Thailand
Turkey
United Kingdom
--
Martin
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Jack Campin - bogus address wrote:
>> I wouldn't be so optimistic. A few years ago almost all the
>> coffee bars in Scotland were run by Italians selling Italian-
>> style coffee. Now there are Starbucks everywhere. Why should
>> Italy itself be any different?
>>
>There's even one in Inversneckie.
but none in the Netherlands, www.starbucks.com says they have places
in
Australia
Austria
Beijing
Germany
Greece
Japan
Hawaii
Hong Kong
New Zealand
Shanghai
South Korea
Spain
Switzerland
Taiwan
Thailand
Turkey
United Kingdom
--
Martin
