Attire for Papal Audience
Aug 13th 2005, 9:42 pm
#46
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Re: Attire for Papal Audience
Timothy Kroesen writes:
> So tell us then, why are you so obsessed in proffering your own attire
> to us?
I don't.
> Why, to the point of obsession do you defy established quorum on
> at least formal attire?
I don't. I dress for function and comfort. Sometimes it conflicts
with the preferences of others, sometimes it does not. I don't care
whether it conflicts or not. Pleasing others is not one of my
objectives, but neither is irritating others, so I do not dress to
irritate people or to "épater les bourgeois."
> What point, you, whom clothing supposedly means
> *nothing* to, are you trying to make when doing so?
I don't do so, as I've explained above.
Your premises are incorrect, and so your conclusions are incorrect as
well.
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> So tell us then, why are you so obsessed in proffering your own attire
> to us?
I don't.
> Why, to the point of obsession do you defy established quorum on
> at least formal attire?
I don't. I dress for function and comfort. Sometimes it conflicts
with the preferences of others, sometimes it does not. I don't care
whether it conflicts or not. Pleasing others is not one of my
objectives, but neither is irritating others, so I do not dress to
irritate people or to "épater les bourgeois."
> What point, you, whom clothing supposedly means
> *nothing* to, are you trying to make when doing so?
I don't do so, as I've explained above.
Your premises are incorrect, and so your conclusions are incorrect as
well.
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Aug 13th 2005, 9:43 pm
#47
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Re: Attire for Papal Audience
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:39:56 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
>offy writes:
>> It's useful, for example, for me to know that
>> wearing a tank top (which I consider a perfectly fine 'attire') will
>> make it difficult for me to get into many churches, so if I plan on
>> going to one, I wear a t-shirt or carry one in my bag.
>From what I read, the obsession with proper attire in churches seems
>to be largely limited to Italy, at least compared with Europe in
>general. I know that French churches don't generally care (and many
>of them are state property, anyway).
There's nobody measuring the height of hem lines above the ground in
UK either. Maybe the job doesn't pay well enough.
It's time for a sexual discrimination case against the Vatican.
--
Martin
wrote:
>chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
>offy writes:
>> It's useful, for example, for me to know that
>> wearing a tank top (which I consider a perfectly fine 'attire') will
>> make it difficult for me to get into many churches, so if I plan on
>> going to one, I wear a t-shirt or carry one in my bag.
>From what I read, the obsession with proper attire in churches seems
>to be largely limited to Italy, at least compared with Europe in
>general. I know that French churches don't generally care (and many
>of them are state property, anyway).
There's nobody measuring the height of hem lines above the ground in
UK either. Maybe the job doesn't pay well enough.
It's time for a sexual discrimination case against the Vatican.
--
Martin
Aug 13th 2005, 9:51 pm
#48
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Re: Attire for Papal Audience
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:39:56 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> >offy writes:
> >
> >> It's useful, for example, for me to know that
> >> wearing a tank top (which I consider a perfectly fine 'attire') will
> >> make it difficult for me to get into many churches, so if I plan on
> >> going to one, I wear a t-shirt or carry one in my bag.
> >
> >From what I read, the obsession with proper attire in churches seems
> >to be largely limited to Italy, at least compared with Europe in
> >general. I know that French churches don't generally care (and many
> >of them are state property, anyway).
>
> There's nobody measuring the height of hem lines above the ground in
> UK either. Maybe the job doesn't pay well enough.
But the UK has its own weird dress codes, admittedly not always in
places where a visitor will go. For example, lots of pubs and clubs have
dress codes, many only applying at peak times- Friday evening etc. No
sneakers, no caps, etc. Caps are easy enough to remove- but sneakers are
harder to replace if you're wearing them! The most recent place where
we've been refused entry due to dress (admittedly, not mine, but my
partner's) was at the Sacher Cafe in Vienna.
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> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:39:56 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> >offy writes:
> >
> >> It's useful, for example, for me to know that
> >> wearing a tank top (which I consider a perfectly fine 'attire') will
> >> make it difficult for me to get into many churches, so if I plan on
> >> going to one, I wear a t-shirt or carry one in my bag.
> >
> >From what I read, the obsession with proper attire in churches seems
> >to be largely limited to Italy, at least compared with Europe in
> >general. I know that French churches don't generally care (and many
> >of them are state property, anyway).
>
> There's nobody measuring the height of hem lines above the ground in
> UK either. Maybe the job doesn't pay well enough.
But the UK has its own weird dress codes, admittedly not always in
places where a visitor will go. For example, lots of pubs and clubs have
dress codes, many only applying at peak times- Friday evening etc. No
sneakers, no caps, etc. Caps are easy enough to remove- but sneakers are
harder to replace if you're wearing them! The most recent place where
we've been refused entry due to dress (admittedly, not mine, but my
partner's) was at the Sacher Cafe in Vienna.
--
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Aug 13th 2005, 10:03 pm
#49
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Re: Attire for Papal Audience
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:51:13 +0100, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:39:56 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
>> >offy writes:
>> >
>> >> It's useful, for example, for me to know that
>> >> wearing a tank top (which I consider a perfectly fine 'attire') will
>> >> make it difficult for me to get into many churches, so if I plan on
>> >> going to one, I wear a t-shirt or carry one in my bag.
>> >
>> >From what I read, the obsession with proper attire in churches seems
>> >to be largely limited to Italy, at least compared with Europe in
>> >general. I know that French churches don't generally care (and many
>> >of them are state property, anyway).
>>
>> There's nobody measuring the height of hem lines above the ground in
>> UK either. Maybe the job doesn't pay well enough.
>But the UK has its own weird dress codes, admittedly not always in
>places where a visitor will go.
There's probably more people visiting cathedrals to admire the
architecture and art treasures in them than to pray. It seems odd to
have a rule about hem lengths and bare arms, when there is not a
church service taking place.
--
Martin
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:39:56 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
>> >offy writes:
>> >
>> >> It's useful, for example, for me to know that
>> >> wearing a tank top (which I consider a perfectly fine 'attire') will
>> >> make it difficult for me to get into many churches, so if I plan on
>> >> going to one, I wear a t-shirt or carry one in my bag.
>> >
>> >From what I read, the obsession with proper attire in churches seems
>> >to be largely limited to Italy, at least compared with Europe in
>> >general. I know that French churches don't generally care (and many
>> >of them are state property, anyway).
>>
>> There's nobody measuring the height of hem lines above the ground in
>> UK either. Maybe the job doesn't pay well enough.
>But the UK has its own weird dress codes, admittedly not always in
>places where a visitor will go.
There's probably more people visiting cathedrals to admire the
architecture and art treasures in them than to pray. It seems odd to
have a rule about hem lengths and bare arms, when there is not a
church service taking place.
--
Martin
Aug 13th 2005, 10:09 pm
#50
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Re: Attire for Papal Audience
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:51:13 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:39:56 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> >> >offy writes:
> >> >
> >> >> It's useful, for example, for me to know that
> >> >> wearing a tank top (which I consider a perfectly fine 'attire') will
> >> >> make it difficult for me to get into many churches, so if I plan on
> >> >> going to one, I wear a t-shirt or carry one in my bag.
> >> >
> >> >From what I read, the obsession with proper attire in churches seems
> >> >to be largely limited to Italy, at least compared with Europe in
> >> >general. I know that French churches don't generally care (and many
> >> >of them are state property, anyway).
> >>
> >> There's nobody measuring the height of hem lines above the ground in
> >> UK either. Maybe the job doesn't pay well enough.
> >
> >But the UK has its own weird dress codes, admittedly not always in
> >places where a visitor will go.
>
> There's probably more people visiting cathedrals to admire the
> architecture and art treasures in them than to pray.
I think that with the major cathedrals, that's definitely the case and
of course, many of them charge quite a bit in admission.
> It seems odd to
> have a rule about hem lengths and bare arms, when there is not a
> church service taking place.
Well, I'm not religious, so I find the dress codes outmoded, but them
are the rules! Also, even if a service isn't taking place, there are
still people who go to the church to pray etc., and while I may not
understand the necessity for them to take offense at my tank top, I
think it's fair enough to require me to take it into account as a
'guest' of the building.
--
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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
pictures at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:51:13 +0100, [email protected]
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:39:56 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> >> >offy writes:
> >> >
> >> >> It's useful, for example, for me to know that
> >> >> wearing a tank top (which I consider a perfectly fine 'attire') will
> >> >> make it difficult for me to get into many churches, so if I plan on
> >> >> going to one, I wear a t-shirt or carry one in my bag.
> >> >
> >> >From what I read, the obsession with proper attire in churches seems
> >> >to be largely limited to Italy, at least compared with Europe in
> >> >general. I know that French churches don't generally care (and many
> >> >of them are state property, anyway).
> >>
> >> There's nobody measuring the height of hem lines above the ground in
> >> UK either. Maybe the job doesn't pay well enough.
> >
> >But the UK has its own weird dress codes, admittedly not always in
> >places where a visitor will go.
>
> There's probably more people visiting cathedrals to admire the
> architecture and art treasures in them than to pray.
I think that with the major cathedrals, that's definitely the case and
of course, many of them charge quite a bit in admission.
> It seems odd to
> have a rule about hem lengths and bare arms, when there is not a
> church service taking place.
Well, I'm not religious, so I find the dress codes outmoded, but them
are the rules! Also, even if a service isn't taking place, there are
still people who go to the church to pray etc., and while I may not
understand the necessity for them to take offense at my tank top, I
think it's fair enough to require me to take it into account as a
'guest' of the building.
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
pictures at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer
Aug 13th 2005, 11:17 pm
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Re: Attire for Papal Audience
Mxsmanic wrote:
> More generally, highly religious countries tend to be poor countries.
I don't know whether that's true in fact, but it appears to be.
> A notable exception is the United States
I think you'll find that the coasts of the USA are far less religious
than inland. Today's report on a visit to The South commented on the
many religious stations on the radio. I think we have one here.
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> More generally, highly religious countries tend to be poor countries.
I don't know whether that's true in fact, but it appears to be.
> A notable exception is the United States
I think you'll find that the coasts of the USA are far less religious
than inland. Today's report on a visit to The South commented on the
many religious stations on the radio. I think we have one here.
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Aug 14th 2005, 12:22 am
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Icono Clast writes:
> I think you'll find that the coasts of the USA are far less religious
> than inland.
True. The east and west coasts of the country are better educated,
more liberal, more worldly, less religious, and more wealthy than much
of the population in the center and south of the country. They also
voted mostly for Kerry in the last election, whereas the center and
south voted more for Bush, if I remember correctly.
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> I think you'll find that the coasts of the USA are far less religious
> than inland.
True. The east and west coasts of the country are better educated,
more liberal, more worldly, less religious, and more wealthy than much
of the population in the center and south of the country. They also
voted mostly for Kerry in the last election, whereas the center and
south voted more for Bush, if I remember correctly.
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Aug 14th 2005, 4:25 am
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Re: Attire for Papal Audience
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:22:27 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Icono Clast writes:
>> I think you'll find that the coasts of the USA are far less religious
>> than inland.
>True. The east and west coasts of the country are better educated,
>more liberal, more worldly, less religious, and more wealthy than much
>of the population in the center and south of the country. They also
>voted mostly for Kerry in the last election, whereas the center and
>south voted more for Bush, if I remember correctly.
Are there no nutty religious old fishing communities like there are in
Europe?
--
Martin
wrote:
>Icono Clast writes:
>> I think you'll find that the coasts of the USA are far less religious
>> than inland.
>True. The east and west coasts of the country are better educated,
>more liberal, more worldly, less religious, and more wealthy than much
>of the population in the center and south of the country. They also
>voted mostly for Kerry in the last election, whereas the center and
>south voted more for Bush, if I remember correctly.
Are there no nutty religious old fishing communities like there are in
Europe?
--
Martin
Aug 14th 2005, 4:29 am
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Re: Attire for Papal Audience
"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:22:27 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>Icono Clast writes:
>>> I think you'll find that the coasts of the USA are far less religious
>>> than inland.
>>True. The east and west coasts of the country are better educated,
>>more liberal, more worldly, less religious, and more wealthy than much
>>of the population in the center and south of the country. They also
>>voted mostly for Kerry in the last election, whereas the center and
>>south voted more for Bush, if I remember correctly.
> Are there no nutty religious old fishing communities like there are in
> Europe?
Whitby?
JohnT
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 14:22:27 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>Icono Clast writes:
>>> I think you'll find that the coasts of the USA are far less religious
>>> than inland.
>>True. The east and west coasts of the country are better educated,
>>more liberal, more worldly, less religious, and more wealthy than much
>>of the population in the center and south of the country. They also
>>voted mostly for Kerry in the last election, whereas the center and
>>south voted more for Bush, if I remember correctly.
> Are there no nutty religious old fishing communities like there are in
> Europe?
Whitby?
JohnT
Aug 14th 2005, 4:41 am
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Re: Attire for Papal Audience
In article <1124018688.2d1308b5b245ff6e81387345dc9fb9e0@teran ews>,
[email protected] (Icono Clast) wrote:
> *From:* Icono Clast <[email protected]>
> *Date:* Sun, 14 Aug 2005 04:17:35 -0700
>
> Mxsmanic wrote:
> > More generally, highly religious countries tend to be poor countries.
>
> I don't know whether that's true in fact, but it appears to be.
The poverty may be a cause of the religiousness rather than vice-versa, of
course.
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[email protected] (Icono Clast) wrote:
> *From:* Icono Clast <[email protected]>
> *Date:* Sun, 14 Aug 2005 04:17:35 -0700
>
> Mxsmanic wrote:
> > More generally, highly religious countries tend to be poor countries.
>
> I don't know whether that's true in fact, but it appears to be.
The poverty may be a cause of the religiousness rather than vice-versa, of
course.
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Aug 14th 2005, 6:56 am
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Re: Attire for Papal Audience
I went to mass at Notre Dame one Sunday this May and found the tourist
spectacle (around the outside isles) appalling during the service. Loud
talking, flash photography, virtual beach attire, etc...
Get a clue fellow travelers; particularly *during* services... All the
above mentioned activity was clearly posted as banned, at the door, in
international symbols...
Tim K
"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1h1a6tc.abbpb26jn8jkN%this_address_is_for_spa [email protected]...
> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:51:13 +0100,
[email protected]
> > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
24h
> > offy) wrote:
> >
> > >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:39:56 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich
tesco 24h
> > >> >offy writes:
> > >> >
> > >> >> It's useful, for example, for me to know that
> > >> >> wearing a tank top (which I consider a perfectly fine
'attire') will
> > >> >> make it difficult for me to get into many churches, so if I
plan on
> > >> >> going to one, I wear a t-shirt or carry one in my bag.
> > >> >
> > >> >From what I read, the obsession with proper attire in churches
seems
> > >> >to be largely limited to Italy, at least compared with Europe in
> > >> >general. I know that French churches don't generally care (and
many
> > >> >of them are state property, anyway).
> > >>
> > >> There's nobody measuring the height of hem lines above the ground
in
> > >> UK either. Maybe the job doesn't pay well enough.
> > >
> > >But the UK has its own weird dress codes, admittedly not always in
> > >places where a visitor will go.
> >
> > There's probably more people visiting cathedrals to admire the
> > architecture and art treasures in them than to pray.
> I think that with the major cathedrals, that's definitely the case and
> of course, many of them charge quite a bit in admission.
> > It seems odd to
> > have a rule about hem lengths and bare arms, when there is not a
> > church service taking place.
> Well, I'm not religious, so I find the dress codes outmoded, but them
> are the rules! Also, even if a service isn't taking place, there are
> still people who go to the church to pray etc., and while I may not
> understand the necessity for them to take offense at my tank top, I
> think it's fair enough to require me to take it into account as a
> 'guest' of the building.
> --
> David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
> usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> pictures at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer
spectacle (around the outside isles) appalling during the service. Loud
talking, flash photography, virtual beach attire, etc...
Get a clue fellow travelers; particularly *during* services... All the
above mentioned activity was clearly posted as banned, at the door, in
international symbols...
Tim K
"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
offy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1h1a6tc.abbpb26jn8jkN%this_address_is_for_spa [email protected]...
> Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:51:13 +0100,
[email protected]
> > (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
24h
> > offy) wrote:
> >
> > >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:39:56 +0200, Mxsmanic <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich
tesco 24h
> > >> >offy writes:
> > >> >
> > >> >> It's useful, for example, for me to know that
> > >> >> wearing a tank top (which I consider a perfectly fine
'attire') will
> > >> >> make it difficult for me to get into many churches, so if I
plan on
> > >> >> going to one, I wear a t-shirt or carry one in my bag.
> > >> >
> > >> >From what I read, the obsession with proper attire in churches
seems
> > >> >to be largely limited to Italy, at least compared with Europe in
> > >> >general. I know that French churches don't generally care (and
many
> > >> >of them are state property, anyway).
> > >>
> > >> There's nobody measuring the height of hem lines above the ground
in
> > >> UK either. Maybe the job doesn't pay well enough.
> > >
> > >But the UK has its own weird dress codes, admittedly not always in
> > >places where a visitor will go.
> >
> > There's probably more people visiting cathedrals to admire the
> > architecture and art treasures in them than to pray.
> I think that with the major cathedrals, that's definitely the case and
> of course, many of them charge quite a bit in admission.
> > It seems odd to
> > have a rule about hem lengths and bare arms, when there is not a
> > church service taking place.
> Well, I'm not religious, so I find the dress codes outmoded, but them
> are the rules! Also, even if a service isn't taking place, there are
> still people who go to the church to pray etc., and while I may not
> understand the necessity for them to take offense at my tank top, I
> think it's fair enough to require me to take it into account as a
> 'guest' of the building.
> --
> David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
> usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> pictures at http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer
Aug 14th 2005, 7:06 am
#57
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Re: Attire for Papal Audience
When *others* host the event, or 'own the event' (as in a restaurant) it
is YOU who need to conform, or better still offer regrets as to your
non-attendance...
So you do not intentionally irritate others??? All the while knowing
your hippie-dippy lefto-loungewear is not welcome at some events, yet
attend anyway??? So, what you're really saying is that others should
f-off their own irritations with your garb, since you have none
yourself? Typical lefto-fuzzy logic; "*I* am right to ignore convention
since it makes *me* content to do so; damn the rest'....
Tim K
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Timothy Kroesen writes:
> > So tell us then, why are you so obsessed in proffering your own
attire
> > to us?
> I don't.
> > Why, to the point of obsession do you defy established quorum on
> > at least formal attire?
> I don't. I dress for function and comfort. Sometimes it conflicts
> with the preferences of others, sometimes it does not. I don't care
> whether it conflicts or not. Pleasing others is not one of my
> objectives, but neither is irritating others, so I do not dress to
> irritate people or to "épater les bourgeois."
is YOU who need to conform, or better still offer regrets as to your
non-attendance...
So you do not intentionally irritate others??? All the while knowing
your hippie-dippy lefto-loungewear is not welcome at some events, yet
attend anyway??? So, what you're really saying is that others should
f-off their own irritations with your garb, since you have none
yourself? Typical lefto-fuzzy logic; "*I* am right to ignore convention
since it makes *me* content to do so; damn the rest'....
Tim K
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Timothy Kroesen writes:
> > So tell us then, why are you so obsessed in proffering your own
attire
> > to us?
> I don't.
> > Why, to the point of obsession do you defy established quorum on
> > at least formal attire?
> I don't. I dress for function and comfort. Sometimes it conflicts
> with the preferences of others, sometimes it does not. I don't care
> whether it conflicts or not. Pleasing others is not one of my
> objectives, but neither is irritating others, so I do not dress to
> irritate people or to "épater les bourgeois."
Aug 14th 2005, 7:10 am
#58
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Posts: n/a
Re: Attire for Papal Audience
Timothy Kroesen wrote:
> When *others* host the event, or 'own the event' (as in a restaurant) it
> is YOU who need to conform, or better still offer regrets as to your
> non-attendance...
> So you do not intentionally irritate others??? All the while knowing
> your hippie-dippy lefto-loungewear is not welcome at some events, yet
> attend anyway??? So, what you're really saying is that others should
> f-off their own irritations with your garb, since you have none
> yourself? Typical lefto-fuzzy logic; "*I* am right to ignore convention
> since it makes *me* content to do so; damn the rest'....
>
> Tim K
>
like top posting !!
> When *others* host the event, or 'own the event' (as in a restaurant) it
> is YOU who need to conform, or better still offer regrets as to your
> non-attendance...
> So you do not intentionally irritate others??? All the while knowing
> your hippie-dippy lefto-loungewear is not welcome at some events, yet
> attend anyway??? So, what you're really saying is that others should
> f-off their own irritations with your garb, since you have none
> yourself? Typical lefto-fuzzy logic; "*I* am right to ignore convention
> since it makes *me* content to do so; damn the rest'....
>
> Tim K
>
like top posting !!
Aug 14th 2005, 7:13 am
#59
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Re: Attire for Papal Audience
Luca Logi wrote:
> Nolo Contendere <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> Consider also the most economically productive countries in Europe are
>>ones where the Roman Catholic church is not as predominant. Review the
>>GDP numbers for Germany and Great Britain compared to those of France
>>and Italy.
>
>
> Germany is about 50% protestant and 50% catholic. Catholic majority
> areas are as developed as protestant areas, even more so. Bavaria, for
> example, is a strongly tradional catholic area (to the point of being
> the home country of the current pope) but is quite strongly
> economically. The theory above is just uninformed catholic bashing.
And Vienna (IMO one of the most civilized cities in the
world) is in Austria, which is predominantly a Catholic country!
>
> Nolo Contendere <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> Consider also the most economically productive countries in Europe are
>>ones where the Roman Catholic church is not as predominant. Review the
>>GDP numbers for Germany and Great Britain compared to those of France
>>and Italy.
>
>
> Germany is about 50% protestant and 50% catholic. Catholic majority
> areas are as developed as protestant areas, even more so. Bavaria, for
> example, is a strongly tradional catholic area (to the point of being
> the home country of the current pope) but is quite strongly
> economically. The theory above is just uninformed catholic bashing.
And Vienna (IMO one of the most civilized cities in the
world) is in Austria, which is predominantly a Catholic country!
>
Aug 14th 2005, 7:42 am
#60
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Re: Attire for Papal Audience
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
> Luca Logi wrote:
> > Nolo Contendere <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Consider also the most economically productive countries in Europe are
> >>ones where the Roman Catholic church is not as predominant. Review the
> >>GDP numbers for Germany and Great Britain compared to those of France
> >>and Italy.
> >
> >
> > Germany is about 50% protestant and 50% catholic. Catholic majority
> > areas are as developed as protestant areas, even more so. Bavaria, for
> > example, is a strongly tradional catholic area (to the point of being
> > the home country of the current pope) but is quite strongly
> > economically. The theory above is just uninformed catholic bashing.
> And Vienna (IMO one of the most civilized cities in the
> world) is in Austria, which is predominantly a Catholic country!
> >
but the Viennese are dull formal types
> Luca Logi wrote:
> > Nolo Contendere <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Consider also the most economically productive countries in Europe are
> >>ones where the Roman Catholic church is not as predominant. Review the
> >>GDP numbers for Germany and Great Britain compared to those of France
> >>and Italy.
> >
> >
> > Germany is about 50% protestant and 50% catholic. Catholic majority
> > areas are as developed as protestant areas, even more so. Bavaria, for
> > example, is a strongly tradional catholic area (to the point of being
> > the home country of the current pope) but is quite strongly
> > economically. The theory above is just uninformed catholic bashing.
> And Vienna (IMO one of the most civilized cities in the
> world) is in Austria, which is predominantly a Catholic country!
> >
but the Viennese are dull formal types
