Amsterdam Protest (slightly OT) Names of places
Nov 4th 2004, 3:33 am
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Re: Translated place names (was: Amsterdam Protest (slightly OT) Names of places)
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:25:06 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, B Vaughan<[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:13:33 +0100, Ulf Kutzner
... <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >Des O'Donoghue schrieb:
... >
... > ... Paris (does anyone ever translate French names?)...
... >
... >Sure. Dünkirchen. Nizza (Italian & German name).
...
... Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
...
... London is "Londra".
...
... Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
... Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
Fiume di Gennaio... LOL
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:13:33 +0100, Ulf Kutzner
... <[email protected]> wrote:
...
... >Des O'Donoghue schrieb:
... >
... > ... Paris (does anyone ever translate French names?)...
... >
... >Sure. Dünkirchen. Nizza (Italian & German name).
...
... Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
...
... London is "Londra".
...
... Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
... Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
Fiume di Gennaio... LOL
Nov 4th 2004, 3:42 am
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Re: Translated place names (was: Amsterdam Protest (slightly OT) Names of places)
"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:13:33 +0100, Ulf Kutzner
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Des O'Donoghue schrieb:
> >
> > ... Paris (does anyone ever translate French names?)...
> >
> >Sure. Dünkirchen. Nizza (Italian & German name).
> Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
> London is "Londra".
> Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
> Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
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> On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:13:33 +0100, Ulf Kutzner
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Des O'Donoghue schrieb:
> >
> > ... Paris (does anyone ever translate French names?)...
> >
> >Sure. Dünkirchen. Nizza (Italian & German name).
> Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
> London is "Londra".
> Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
> Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
Nov 4th 2004, 3:56 am
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Re: Translated place names (was: Amsterdam Protest (slightly OT) Names of places)
Ulf Kutzner <[email protected]> wrote:
>Des O'Donoghue schrieb:
>> (does anyone ever translate French names?)...
>Sure...
Piggybacking, because I missed Des's post: Páras na Fraince.
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>Des O'Donoghue schrieb:
>> (does anyone ever translate French names?)...
>Sure...
Piggybacking, because I missed Des's post: Páras na Fraince.
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Nov 4th 2004, 5:30 am
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Re: Translated place names (was: Amsterdam Protest (slightly OT) Names of places)
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:42:51 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
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>"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:13:33 +0100, Ulf Kutzner
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Des O'Donoghue schrieb:
>> >
>> > ... Paris (does anyone ever translate French names?)...
>> >
>> >Sure. Dünkirchen. Nizza (Italian & German name).
>> Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
>> London is "Londra".
>> Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
>> Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
>New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
Never generalise on a news group :-)
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>"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:13:33 +0100, Ulf Kutzner
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Des O'Donoghue schrieb:
>> >
>> > ... Paris (does anyone ever translate French names?)...
>> >
>> >Sure. Dünkirchen. Nizza (Italian & German name).
>> Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
>> London is "Londra".
>> Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
>> Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
>New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
Never generalise on a news group :-)
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Nov 4th 2004, 6:18 am
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Re: Translated place names (was: Amsterdam Protest (slightly OT) Names of places)
[email protected] wrote:
>Never generalise on a news group :-)
"Never"? Surely that's a bit general?
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>Never generalise on a news group :-)
"Never"? Surely that's a bit general?
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Nov 4th 2004, 8:03 am
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Re: Translated place names (was: Amsterdam Protest (slightly OT) Names of places)
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:30:15 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
>On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:42:51 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:13:33 +0100, Ulf Kutzner
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >Des O'Donoghue schrieb:
>>> >
>>> > ... Paris (does anyone ever translate French names?)...
>>> >
>>> >Sure. Dünkirchen. Nizza (Italian & German name).
>>> Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
>>> London is "Londra".
>>> Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
>>> Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
>>New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
>Never generalise on a news group :-)
I didn't generalize, you know. I thought of these examples, but saying
that the names of hick towns are never translated doesn't imply that
the names of major cities are always translated.
Most of the translations of European cities date back many centuries.
By the time these American cities became major, such translating was
rarely done for any city.
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>On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:42:51 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>>> On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 12:13:33 +0100, Ulf Kutzner
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >Des O'Donoghue schrieb:
>>> >
>>> > ... Paris (does anyone ever translate French names?)...
>>> >
>>> >Sure. Dünkirchen. Nizza (Italian & German name).
>>> Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
>>> London is "Londra".
>>> Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
>>> Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
>>New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
>Never generalise on a news group :-)
I didn't generalize, you know. I thought of these examples, but saying
that the names of hick towns are never translated doesn't imply that
the names of major cities are always translated.
Most of the translations of European cities date back many centuries.
By the time these American cities became major, such translating was
rarely done for any city.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Nov 4th 2004, 9:37 am
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Re: Translated place names (was: Amsterdam Protest (slightly OT) Names of places)
"B Vaughan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:30:15 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
> y>>>>
>>>> >Des O'Donoghue schrieb:
>>>> >
>>>> > ... Paris (does anyone ever translate French names?)...
>>>> >
>>>> >Sure. Dünkirchen. Nizza (Italian & German name).
>>>> Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
>>>> London is "Londra".
>>>> Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
>>>> Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
>>>New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
>>Never generalise on a news group :-)
> I didn't generalize, you know. I thought of these examples, but saying
> that the names of hick towns are never translated doesn't imply that
> the names of major cities are always translated.
There is a small market town in Switzerland located right on the divide
of the French- and German-speaking regions. In French it's "Bienne"
and in German "Biel". Both names are used on loal road signs. (It
probably has an Italian name as well.)
Geneva is also called "Geneve" in French and "Genf" in German
> Most of the translations of European cities date back many centuries.
> By the time these American cities became major, such translating was
> rarely done for any city.
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> On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 19:30:15 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
> y>>>>
>>>> >Des O'Donoghue schrieb:
>>>> >
>>>> > ... Paris (does anyone ever translate French names?)...
>>>> >
>>>> >Sure. Dünkirchen. Nizza (Italian & German name).
>>>> Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
>>>> London is "Londra".
>>>> Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
>>>> Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
>>>New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
>>Never generalise on a news group :-)
> I didn't generalize, you know. I thought of these examples, but saying
> that the names of hick towns are never translated doesn't imply that
> the names of major cities are always translated.
There is a small market town in Switzerland located right on the divide
of the French- and German-speaking regions. In French it's "Bienne"
and in German "Biel". Both names are used on loal road signs. (It
probably has an Italian name as well.)
Geneva is also called "Geneve" in French and "Genf" in German
> Most of the translations of European cities date back many centuries.
> By the time these American cities became major, such translating was
> rarely done for any city.
Nov 4th 2004, 8:13 pm
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Re: Translated place names
B Vaughan schrieb:
> Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
> Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
Check this in Southern Tyrol.
Regards, ULF
> Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
> Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
Check this in Southern Tyrol.
Regards, ULF
Nov 4th 2004, 8:18 pm
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"Miss L. Toe" schrieb:
> > Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
> >
> > London is "Londra".
> >
> > Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
> > Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
> >
>
> New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
Nueva York. Nieuw York. Used to be Neu York.
Gruß, ULF
> > Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
> >
> > London is "Londra".
> >
> > Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
> > Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
> >
>
> New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
Nueva York. Nieuw York. Used to be Neu York.
Gruß, ULF
Nov 4th 2004, 8:44 pm
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> "Miss L. Toe" schrieb:
> > > Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
> > >
> > > London is "Londra".
> > >
> > > Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
> > > Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
> > >
> >
> > New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
> Nueva York. Nieuw York. Used to be Neu York.
Used to be New Amsterdam!
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> "Miss L. Toe" schrieb:
> > > Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
> > >
> > > London is "Londra".
> > >
> > > Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
> > > Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
> > >
> >
> > New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
> Nueva York. Nieuw York. Used to be Neu York.
Used to be New Amsterdam!
Surreyman
Nov 4th 2004, 9:14 pm
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Re: Translated place names
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:13:49 +0100, Ulf Kutzner
<[email protected]> wrote:
>B Vaughan schrieb:
>
>> Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
>> Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
>Check this in Southern Tyrol.
and Belgium.
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<[email protected]> wrote:
>B Vaughan schrieb:
>
>> Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
>> Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
>Check this in Southern Tyrol.
and Belgium.
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Nov 4th 2004, 9:28 pm
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On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:44:47 GMT, "a.spencer3"
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>"Ulf Kutzner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Miss L. Toe" schrieb:
>> > > Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
>> > >
>> > > London is "Londra".
>> > >
>> > > Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
>> > > Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
>> > >
>> >
>> > New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
>> Nueva York. Nieuw York. Used to be Neu York.
>Used to be New Amsterdam!
Nieuwe Amsterdam ? :-)
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>"Ulf Kutzner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Miss L. Toe" schrieb:
>> > > Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
>> > >
>> > > London is "Londra".
>> > >
>> > > Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
>> > > Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
>> > >
>> >
>> > New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
>> Nueva York. Nieuw York. Used to be Neu York.
>Used to be New Amsterdam!
Nieuwe Amsterdam ? :-)
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Nov 4th 2004, 9:33 pm
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Re: Translated place names
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> On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:44:47 GMT, "a.spencer3"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >"Ulf Kutzner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> "Miss L. Toe" schrieb:
> >>
> >> > > Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
> >> > >
> >> > > London is "Londra".
> >> > >
> >> > > Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
> >> > > Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
> >>
> >> Nueva York. Nieuw York. Used to be Neu York.
> >>
> >
> >Used to be New Amsterdam!
> Nieuwe Amsterdam ? :-)
Not in London! :-))
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> On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:44:47 GMT, "a.spencer3"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >"Ulf Kutzner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> "Miss L. Toe" schrieb:
> >>
> >> > > Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
> >> > >
> >> > > London is "Londra".
> >> > >
> >> > > Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
> >> > > Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
> >>
> >> Nueva York. Nieuw York. Used to be Neu York.
> >>
> >
> >Used to be New Amsterdam!
> Nieuwe Amsterdam ? :-)
Not in London! :-))
Surreyman
Nov 4th 2004, 9:42 pm
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Re: Translated place names
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 10:33:36 GMT, "a.spencer3"
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><[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:44:47 GMT, "a.spencer3"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Ulf Kutzner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> "Miss L. Toe" schrieb:
>> >>
>> >> > > Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > London is "Londra".
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
>> >> > > Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
>> >>
>> >> Nueva York. Nieuw York. Used to be Neu York.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Used to be New Amsterdam!
>> Nieuwe Amsterdam ? :-)
>Not in London! :-))
or York :-)
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><[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 09:44:47 GMT, "a.spencer3"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Ulf Kutzner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> "Miss L. Toe" schrieb:
>> >>
>> >> > > Paris is "Parigi" in Italian.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > London is "Londra".
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Having translated names is one measure of how important a city is.
>> >> > > Nobody translates the names of hick towns into any language.
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > New York, Washington, Boston, San Francisco etc :-)
>> >>
>> >> Nueva York. Nieuw York. Used to be Neu York.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Used to be New Amsterdam!
>> Nieuwe Amsterdam ? :-)
>Not in London! :-))
or York :-)
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Nov 5th 2004, 12:35 am
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Re: Translated place names (was: Amsterdam Protest (slightly OT) Names of places)
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 22:37:25 GMT, "David Gee" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>There is a small market town in Switzerland located right on the divide
>of the French- and German-speaking regions. In French it's "Bienne"
>and in German "Biel". Both names are used on loal road signs. (It
>probably has an Italian name as well.)
That's not really a case of translation, though, but of two language
communities who live in the same area and have their own names for the
towns. There are many such examples in Alto Adige in Italy, where
nearly every town has a German and an Italian name.
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wrote:
>There is a small market town in Switzerland located right on the divide
>of the French- and German-speaking regions. In French it's "Bienne"
>and in German "Biel". Both names are used on loal road signs. (It
>probably has an Italian name as well.)
That's not really a case of translation, though, but of two language
communities who live in the same area and have their own names for the
towns. There are many such examples in Alto Adige in Italy, where
nearly every town has a German and an Italian name.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
